What's wrong with me?

[babylonsister]

I don't care about Snowden. Am I un-obsessed?

[giftedgirl77]

1. Nope, join the club there are a few of us around

[hrmjustin]

2. Not at all.

I care more about what the government is doing. Snowden is a side show to distract us from what the NSA is doing.

[99Forever]

4. ^^This^^

[1StrongBlackMan]

5. And the NSA/Snowden thing ...

is a side show to distract/divide liberals from the task at hand ... namely, unseating the modern gop.

[JustAnotherGen]

34. Plus

A jobs bill.

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. Sadly ...

the modern gop (along with a few "democrats&quot has demonstrated that a Jobs Bill, while strategically a great move, would be putting the cart before the horse.

When/if Democrats flip the House and gain a net 4 in the Senate, we will see a vigorous Jobs Bill, forceful climate change legislation, and a lot of the other things that liberals seek ... including congressional action on this NSA thing (though I doubt, nor does THIS Democratic liberal want, the NSA to go away).

But/And we can be pretty share that if we DO NOT flip the House and at least hold what we have in the Senate, we will get NONE of what liberals want.

But then again ... maybe failing to flip the House and hold the Senate will give what many of our newer DU folks what they seem to REALLY want; a complete loss of confidence in, and break-down of government that will "clear the way for and give rise to the glorious progressive utopia!!!!"

[okaawhatever]

60. Please the Obama and government haters on this website lately aren't looking

for a progressive utopia. They're Ron and Rand Paul libertarians who want their agenda passed. They're trying to take over this site and the administrators need to get busy getting rid of them.

[1StrongBlackMan]

64. I think ...

you're right about some of the loudest voices of late.

[Comrade Grumpy]

75. I think you should have posted this in creative speculation.

Getting a little paranoid, aren't you?

[Android3.14]

54. Still eating the police state cake I see

EOM

[1StrongBlackMan]

56. LOL ...

Said Andriod3.14 on a public bulletin board, with no ill effect.

[Jamaal510]

77. This place

seems to be becoming increasingly like the DailyPaul every passing day, isn't it? The type of straw man that 3.14 was using about the so-called "police state" I would typically hear from libertarians and Paulbots. There's that, and how folks on this site call you either a "sheep" or an "authoritarian" now if you are a Snowden detractor. It is just incredible how supposed-Democrats would take the word of some random 29 year old Ron Paul supporter about spying and tracking over a President from their own party, nevertheless refuse to lay the blame on Congress for repeatedly approving the Patriot Act.

[1StrongBlackMan]

78. Yes ...

And, though I rarely ascribe to CTs, I'm thinking DU has been over-run. But I'm glad it's happening now, in the summer of 2013 rather than the summer of 2014 because it give plenty of time for their crazy to expose itself before the 2014 election. It's damned hard work to contain the crazy for long.

[Downwinder]

8. More than just a side show. He is tracing out the lines of power.

[BainsBane]

20. That's exactly how I feel.

[sibelian]

37. agree. +1

[ZombieHorde]

3. So, you don't care about your fellow human beings, huh?

Just kidding.

[otohara]

73. I'm More Concerned About Guns

cuz half the population in CO now has one, or two or a fucking arsenal.
CBS news did a story about the company that makes magazines leaving...they gave away a bunch
and sold the rest...20,000 at a discount. They were stuffing bags as if Wyoming doesn't exist.

[Cleita]

6. No. It's just something you don't want to think about because

you probably want to think about other things that are more interesting to you. Please keep posting what you think is important.

[babylonsister]

17. Low blow, buddy.

Too bad if you don't like what I post, but I also refuse to be obsessed about Snowden. Color me shallow.

[Cleita]

57. Sorry that this sounded snarky to you.

I was trying to say it's okay not to be obsessed about Snowden. I like a lot of what you post and you should just follow your muse and do just that. There's enough posted about Snowden so some other topic would be refreshing. I apologize if you thought I was trying to offend you.

[MattBaggins]

7. Southern sweet tea

when is too damn much sugar too damn much?

[babylonsister]

10. Bite me. I'm a NYer who lives in GA. Don'r drink sweet tea. NEXT nt

Bite

[MattBaggins]

11. I'm a NYer who lives in NY

So what do I know

[babylonsister]

14. You are fortunate.

Can I visit?!

[RebelOne]

61. I'm a former Flordian who lives in GA and never drink sweet tea. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. The name is irrelevant.

What is infinitely more important is where do you stand on the state, in this instance the NSA, spying on its citizens?

The name of Assange, Manning, Wiki leaks, Anonymous or Snowden does not matter. Where you stand on surveillance of a population in a Democracy does.

[DesertFlower]

12. nope. i don't care either.

[CakeGrrl]

13. Not at all, you Defender of the Surveillance State.

[JustAnotherGen]

35. +1

[JI7]

16. i think it's kind of funny

[Tikki]

18. meh snowden....

Tikki

[SwampG8r]

19. nothing, you are beautiful,

Everyday is so wonderful, then suddenly, its hard to breathe
Now and then I get insecure, from all the pain
Im so ashamed

I am beautiful no matter what they say
Words cant bring me down
I am beautiful in every single way
Yes words cant bring me down
So dont you bring me down today

To all your friends youre delirious
So consumed in all your doom
Trying hard to fill the emptiness, the pieces gone
Left the puzzle undone, is that the way it is

You are beautiful no matter what they say
Words cant bring you down
Cause you are beautiful in every single way
Yes words cant bring you down
So dont you bring me down today

No matter what we do
No matter what we say
Were the song inside the tune, full of beautiful mistakes
And everywhere we go, the sun will always shine
And tomorrow we might awake on the other side

Cause we are beautiful no matter what they say
Yes words wont bring us down, no
We are beautiful in every single way
Yes words cant bring us down
So dont you bring me down today

[babylonsister]

22. Well, I AM beautiful, and

there will be many fights to fight.

[SwampG8r]

25. i had a boss once

corporate restaurant
I was lead line cook which is corp-speak for sous chef or asst kitchen manager
I was being trained by corporate trainers to be the corporate trainer in a new area
big place high volume busy busy
the boss or GM decided he didn't like me for some unknown reason and was making my life miserable
this song came on the radio and I started singing along while we were knocking out a big dinner push
the GM stood in the pass and watched the food fly out looking for anything to ass about and I sang a little louder
then the little rasta girl working the broiler started singing and the guy on the fryers started singing
when she got to the last part we had six people singing this and we were singing it laughing at ourselves for the giant ffffffuuuuuuckkkkk you! we were handing out
we got to the end and you could hear the silence in the dining room
and then they erupted in applause
I don't know why they liked it
none of us were singers and none of us did the words justice
after that whenever that GM was an ass you would hear
one cook to another singing
quiet on the line when someone had been jumped
"you are beautiful no matter what they say.."

[babylonsister]

43. Great story!

Thanks for sharing; how does a corporate wonk respond to that?!

[SwampG8r]

44. sadly i

don't think he ever understood we were singing at and about him

[jazzimov]

21. ERRH MY GEERRRHD!

Are you serial?!?!!?!?

[Number23]

23. I have actually been torn between rofl and shaking my head at the folks that are crowing as though

his asylum to Venezuela is some sort of black mark on our government.

The man who released information because he was disgusted by the repressive regime of the US has high-tailed it to China, Russia (neither of which wanted anything to do with him) and is entirely likely to be embraced within the warm bosom of Venezuela, a country that every human rights organization in existence has a dossier on the size of damn Venezuela.

I mean, if that doesn't give you a very firm idea of the quality and intellectual capacity of the man's fan club, I don't know what will. And his fans are one reason so many are either ambivalent about him or in growing numbers, are opposed to what he's done.

[JustAnotherGen]

36. +1

[BeyondGeography]

55. His odyssey veered into total incoherence as soon as it started

And that was over a month ago now. What it has too often revealed on this board is a childish tendency to hate America first while taking the freedoms that it affords you (such as coming here to bloviate to your heart's content about being spied on) entirely for granted.

[Number23]

65. DAMN, you nailed it

I almost lost my breakfast over the stupidest post I've seen in what has to be months from a poster actually quoting MLK in order to pretend that the government is keeping people from dissenting.

As deranged as GD is right now and has been for weeks, I was fully expecting a thread full of high-fives and "yeah, girl! That's like, SOOOO true!1" but there were quite a few people that were as disgusted and put off by the comparison as I was including one who asked if the OP was unaware of a covert news channel with millions and millions of viewers that does nothing but slam and criticize this president and this administration day in and day out. The rec count didn't even hit the obligatory 220+ that the most eye-rollingly absurd posts around here seem to be getting lately.

And you're right, it IS childish. And ludicrous. And any thinking person would be embarrassed to be aligned with people so devoid of anything resembling common sense and basic understanding.

[Captain Stern]

24. It's perfectly fine not to care about Snowden, but you know who else didn't care about Snowden?

Hitler and Stalin!! That's who!!

But, I guess you're fine with being exactly like Hitler and Stalin. If you weren't, you would care about Snowden.

[babylonsister]

39. Hitler and Stalin?

Yep, exactly the same!

[Captain Stern]

59. Ok, admittadley it's not "exactly" the same

And it's not even a good analogy, but it's kind of like a good analogy.

[Just Saying]

26. How dare you not care!

Don't you know the sky is falling?

Yeah seriously though, all those threads get trashed. Even if I care a little, I've found there's no legitimate discussion going on. There's just a bunch of finger pointing and name-calling. No thanks!

[Scootaloo]

27. Same as me, Babylonsister

I mean I think it's an important issue, but not to the point where it's worth making the dude a hero or villain, or get into huge slapfights with other people over it. I think he broke the law.. .but I look at what was revealed and say good, the law probably needed to be broken for this. And that's pretty much it, it's not something I see as worth a huge emotional investment

[Aristus]

28. I don't care either.

I care more about getting the f*****g PATRIOT Act repealed.

[Mojorabbit]

62. Same here. I don't want to live in a surveillance state.

I'm old, when I grew up that was one of the things that was supposed to make us different. We did not have to live like those in the USSR and E Germany because we were a free people. OK, I know a lot of that was an illusion but I don't plan to let it happen here without putting up a fight. If airing all this out brings it to the table for a discussion, I am all for it.

[OnyxCollie]

29. Do you want an alphabetical list, or by order of importance?

[jtuck004]

30. Can you name the judges on "The Voice"? Without google, I mean.

[JDPriestly]

31. Do you care that the government collects all your metadata?

I do.

[babylonsister]

40. Do you know how long that's

been going on, and do you have a plan to thwart the evil gov't?

[JDPriestly]

45. It has, apparently been going on a long time.

Let's start by getting the government to admit that this violates our constitutional rights.

[KoKo]

71. J. Edgar Hoover had Primitive Methods to today's surveillance and opportunities for

GLOBAL BLACKMAIL with Wall Street Involved.

Hoover could only do it in the USA to go against Congress Critters he didn't like...along with Presidents.

This is so vast it's beyond most of our comprehension...and it's GROWN since BUSH! The ability to Hack and to get into Global Internet is superior and growing day by day.

The Laws can't keep up with the vast growth of the internet since Bush left office and set stage for Privatization and Outsourcing to Corporations (his buddies) and Obama came in and let it all go along so that it's now the OUTTA CONTROL BEAST...!

Opportunities for ABUSE abound! And, ABUSE has taken place. We should be thankful to Edward Snowden for showing us how far the reach has gone and the opportunities for Blackmail and Fraud are right out there. If we don't stop it now...it will devour us.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

32. I NEVER did.

[Squinch]

33. Me either, but I DO care, just as I did 10 years ago, about warrantless spying on US citizens.

[JaneyVee]

41. I "care", just not "5 million obsessive Snowden posts a day" care.

For a place that claims "it's not about Snowden", this place has turned into Snowden Underground.

[smirkymonkey]

63. +10.000

This!

[Sheepshank]

81. "Snowden is my hero" signature lines,

Snowden artsy poster/pics in signature lines....the obsessive "hero/love" for the dude is a little alarming. Or is it all simply manufactured to degrade the level of true debate on DU?

I'm pretty tired or reading posts venerating a huge unknown. It would appear true heros are too easy to come by. One doesn't even have to do anything heroic any more. The continued posting of the melodramatic interpretations and heresay will create something that didn't exist. That's why I quit reading anything that smacks of Snowden. I actually was interested at first....it's worn thin.

[we can do it]

42. Me either. I am sick of hearing his name, think I will mow the lawn if it's not too wet.

[babylonsister]

48. Hahaha! Welcome to DU!

[SidDithers]

49. That should be "Welcome back to DU"...

Sid

[flvegan]

50. LOL

If not for jury duty I'd have missed this nugget of stupid.

Thanks for the laugh. Idiot.

[SidDithers]

51. Break out the MIRT signal...

Sid

[Raine1967]

47. Nothing. I'm glad to see you around again.

I love reading your posts. I think they have been dropping here on DU because, well, Snowden.

Glad to see you again. K&R.

[MadrasT]

52. Me too

Though it can be amusing to watch so many others work themselves into fits over him

[hfojvt]

53. either you are closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge

or you are unaware of the calibre of disaster indicated

by the presence of a pool table in your community

welllllll,

you got trouble my friend, right here!

[Android3.14]

58. I may be paranoid

And I understand that people with larger numbers of postings receive greater regard.
But.....
I have to ask, how is it that a single person would have the time to post 140,000+ messages here since 2004 (on average more than 40 posts each day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, no holidays) has the time to have a life?
What individual would have the time and resources to do something like that?
And now she runs interference for the NSA.
I may be paranoid, and I only have a few hundred posts since 2006, but this, and other NonSense, is a valid question. Really, how many people would have to operate a profile in order to achieve numbers like that?

[Mojorabbit]

66. You used to care about spying in the day and posted a lot of

wonderful articles about it. Would you mind sharing why you have changed your mind? I would love your perspective.

[babylonsister]

67. I think it was the overkill

I saw on this board before even any facts were in. I don't need or want to clog DU w/additional Snowden threads, nor do I want to read them.

And I do care about spying, just not sure how much I believe Snowden and his supposed altruistic motives. I'm waiting to learn more from knowledgeable sources.

[Mojorabbit]

72. Thanks! There HAVE been a lot of threads

and many of them have been packed full of info. There are some great DUers keeping us informed from foreign media all over the world. That is what this site is so great at. Collecting info and trying to put it into some sort of order.
I have to admit it reminds me of a good novel and I have found it fairly interesting. I have been flat on my back for a week with strep throat and bronchitis and it has kept me well entertained.

At the end of the day though it is the spying on citizens that matters to me no matter what admin is doing it. I hope Pres Obama gets out in front of this and helps start the conversation. I hope there is a huge international conversation and national conversation about it and where we want to end up as a nation .
I hope you're weekend is a wonderful one.

[felix_numinous]

68. The meme that Democrats

cannot respectfully criticize our representatives without endangering the next election is a fallacy created by the RW media to divide us.

We ARE fully capable of addressing corporate rule while making sure we vote Democratic, because this is what we have to do.

There is someone out there convincing Democrats that any move to the left means we will come 'full circle' around to become Libertarian Republicans (because they don't know what a civil libertarian is...)

The purpose of this is to destroy any move BACK to the left where this party (and country) originated, and attempt to derail the discussion about NSA spying. What a propaganda mind job!!!!

[KoKo]

69. Nothing is wrong with you...you are just wrong on public opinion on DU these days.

[warrior1]

70. I'm with you sister

[Rex]

74. No, you are focused on more important domestic issues imo.

Snowden is off playing James Bond right now. There are more important things like the Zimmerman trial. IMHO.

[elleng]

76. Yes love, UN-Obsessed,

and reasonable as ever!

[greatauntoftriplets]

80. Who?