Snowden free means Resistance is NOT Futile!

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

To answer this popular question on here about the interest in Snowden.

It is why the totalitarians will stop at NOTHING to capture him, for if they fail, others may get the same idea, and that is their greatest fear.

[ProSense]

1. What does it mean if he's returned to the U.S.? n/t

[Nanjing to Seoul]

13. a public character assassination, a fixed kangaroo trial and a draconian sentence meant to send a

message to the rest of us: "Don't think about fighting City Hall. . .you will lose everything and what you don't lose, we will take."

[alcibiades_mystery]

2. One then wonders what Snowden in federal prison means

[lapfog_1]

3. but Snowden may be in for some Vogon poetry reading... n/t

[kentuck]

4. Who will ever again have the balls to blow the whistle on wrongdoing in government?

Once Snowden is made an example? No one. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. And you probably will deserve it.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

5. Is there an echo here?

The only thing the totalitarians can hope for now is to delay the inevitable.

And what do I 'deserve'?

[kentuck]

6. Sorry.

I was agreeing with your post and was posting for the benefit of the NSA defenders.

You deserve accolades for your post. I think I was the first to recommend?

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

7. Thank you Kentuck

I admit I am a but snappy, as I am often met with insults, and derision here on this subject.

And I appreciate your posts here, always had, for years

[HardTimes99]

25. Jane Mayer, who writes for "The New Yorker" has written that

the various attempts by the government to quash a free press (the AP wiretaps, L'Affaire Rosen and now L'Affaire Snowden) have brought investigative journalism to a screeching halt already. Journalists and sources are now having to do way more intensive gut checks, since the national seccurity state has demonstrated its willingness to destroy anyone or anything that stands in its way.

Behold the new imperium.

[CakeGrrl]

8. It means that he's in a country of nearly last resort, on the DOJ's wanted list.

That's what committing a crime will do.

How many of you cheering him on would live that life on principle? When will you go out and follow his example?

"Free"? Free means going wherever you want to go. He may be an escapee, but he won't be "free".

[kentuck]

11. It also means ...

that the detractors are cheering for the NSA, for secrecy, against our Constitution, and against what America stands for. Life is about choices sometimes.

[silvershadow]

12. +1

Rule of law. Transparency. The people running the government, not the other way around.

[CakeGrrl]

14. COMPLETE logic fail. You can't apply your binary mindset to others.

You can deny that he broke the law, but you would simply be in denial.

You may not like it; you may want to ignore it. But he broke the law and the DOJ will NOT ignore that he took confidential information with a stated intent to steal, and he took it to other countries.

Being able to recognize that Snowden broke laws does not mean that one is "cheering" against the Constitution or "what America stands for". That doesn't even make sense.

It's a totally false construct.

[kentuck]

18. Sort of like stealing food....

...to feed your hungry kids. It's a crime to steal, you know?

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

16. That sure beats being tortured, in one of our hell holes

Now don't it?

[arely staircase]

9. Gandhi

“An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so. Now the law of nonviolence says that violence should be resisted not by counter-violence but by nonviolence. This I do by breaking the law and by peacefully submitting to arrest and imprisonment.”
― Mahatma Gandhi, Non-violence in Peace and War 1942-49

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

17. An unjust law is itself a species of violence.

Excellent quote, thanks for sharing

[mindwalker_i]

10. You know what this means

Ohmagaddon is upon us.

[rhett o rick]

15. That's also the reason they had to react so violently toward Occupy. It's basically terrorism. nm

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

20. agreed, they can not let any form of dissent gain traction because they have no defense

other than force.

[rhett o rick]

21. What's your opinion regarding who "they" are. nm

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

23. I believe they are a private, public partnership between the super rich and the politicians

who now own us.

I pretty much think George Carlin had it right.

[rhett o rick]

26. I agree. For sure the 1%, by their nature, conspire against us.

But I think there are a specific few, a cabal that actually pulls the strings. I thought Cheney was in the cabal until his behavior in late 2007 and early 2008, where he shut up and crawled out of town. Someone bigger told him to back off. We should be able to figure it out. Maybe James Clapper, Bernanke, Koch Brothers, Poppy Bush. Just guessing. Penny Pritzker?

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

27. I believe those are just the front men

The real owners operate behind the scenes and have men like Cheney and his ilk (James Clapper, Bernanke, Poppy Bush) operate in public to do their bidding, and when they become not useful anymore they are turned aside, for the new recruits.

Now those with real money, like the Koch Brothers are part of the true owners, but their is also old money, and international money involved, too.

I believe there was a link posted here recently that mapped out the real power brokers and their relationships, if I find it I will post a link to it.

[rhett o rick]

28. I have the link thanks. But that just shows the large conspiracy. Someone keeps in direct contact

with the President. We should be able to figure out who that is. At least down to a handful of possibilities.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

30. I don't think it is an individual, I think it is more like a board with rotating membership

and they do not need direct, daily contact, to get their desires across... the whole system is set up to reward obedience to the system, if you step out of line you get punished, that is the main motivator... the rest of the system is right out in the open.

[rhett o rick]

31. I agree. nm

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. I'm not moving to Venezuela.

[SidDithers]

22. You forgot "Paul Revere"...nt

Sid

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

29. Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!

Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!

[HardTimes99]

24. Tip of the iceberg - nt

[Zorra]

32. It seems apparent that the authoritarians would turn in Robin Hood, Zorro, Charles DeGaulle,

Chief Joseph, Nathan Hale, Anne Frank, Julian Assange, all of Occupy and Anonymous, and of, course, Edward Snowden, etc

After all, anyone who resists or exposes clear corruption on the part of established authority must be punished, right?

I imagine they'd love to see those criminal protesters in Egypt thrown in jail for resisting the almighty law of Egypt's established government.

Authoritarians are those among us who make resistance to institutionalized evil seem futile.

Fuck them all.

[gholtron]

33. I for one am glad that Venezuela and Bolivia have granted him asylum

I can wait to read or say about their human rights abuse as well as their corrupt government. The US can't be the only corrupt government. I'm sure they have freedom of speech there.