after z is found not guilty

[backwoodsbob]

I hope he starts filing lawsuits .

it's gonna be interesting

[hrmjustin]

1. Lawsuits against who?

It is likely he will be sued by the victims family.

[RGR375]

17. If acquitted

He can not be sued in Florida for a self a defense shooting. He will receive a bar to civil liability.

[hrmjustin]

19. That stinks!

I hope he is found guilty.

[RGR375]

32. If found guilty being sued is the least of his problems.

But a lot of states do that now. If it was determined that it was self defense which means it was them or you. Then then that person should not be sued. My state of Michigan use to be that way but we have SYG now and if the shooting is ruled self defense then you can not be sued for a legal act.

[davidn3600]

73. Not to mention it is very difficult to collect on a civil judgement in Florida anyway

That's why OJ lived there.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

157. Zimmerman didn't assert a "stand your ground" defense

He passed on the hearing. He can be sued even if he is acquitted of the pending criminal charges.

[JimDandy]

136. Doubtful the jury will be instructed about that either.

The ages of the jurors make it likely that they are familiar with the O.J. civil suit and that the victims' families were able to get a measure of justice that way. Judging by the responses on this thread though, it is also probable that the jurors don't know that if they acquit Zimmerman, that the law has changed since then, and that there is no longer that possibility of another avenue of justice for Trayvon's family.

If I were the DA, a little jury pool tainting this past year with that info would have been helpful during the deliberation phase, because any fence-sitter would not have been able to mentally mitigate a vote of not guilty by a false belief that Zimmerman could then be tried civilly.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

148. That's incorrect

That's only if he asserted a stand your ground defense and it was granted.

[Marrah_G]

2. What??????????

[HappyMe]

3. Against who?

He could also be found guilty.

[razorman]

4. I figure you can count on it. These days, civil suits always seem to follow criminal court cases.

[arcane1]

5. Lawsuits against who?

[Pelican]

165. My guess is media outlets...

NBC for the 911 tapes they changed... CNN for distributing his home address and social security number...

[ermoore]

169. Which is almost fair.

I mean, and really all those things are pretty reprehensible, especially NBC editing the tapes . . . that's just ridiculous (and sadly about what you can expect from the current state of the media today).

[csziggy]

172. He's already suing NBC

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit

[tosh]

6. You hope???

[Hoyt]

7. Law suits for what, because he was arrested for shooting unarmed black kid at 7:16 PM on Sunday?

I know South Carolina trends toward right wing bigotry and love of guns, but jeebus.

I think he has a defense fund, if you feel the need to contribute.

[backwoodsbob]

78. Are you accusing me of being a bigot

[William769]

117. Does a bear shit in the woods?

[backwoodsbob]

138. are you accusing me of being a racist...yes or no

[William769]

139. I let your posts speak for themselves.

Doesn't matter what I think but it does matter of the perception other people think and there are some pretty smart people on DU that even though they don't like to are very capable of wading through the bullshit when they see it.

[reusrename]

175. Odd that you don't know when folks are calling you a racist.

You should have a lot of experience with this particular scenario.

[hlthe2b]

119. I wouldn't start a poll on that, if I were you... I suggest you might not like the results...

[backwoodsbob]

130. start one

lets see

[hlthe2b]

137. I have no need to... but feel free...

[Hoyt]

163. Yes, based upon my interpretation of this and other of your posts.

[Cooley Hurd]

8. Wow...

What an offensive fucking post. You "hope" he sues WHOM? Trayvon's mom and dad?

[rdharma]

9. Riiiiight!

[The Magistrate]

10. Recommended, Sir, Just To Have A Link Back To This Inane Swill....

You really need to keep the mask better fitted.

[Cooley Hurd]

14. Whew!

When I saw your rec, I thought the world was flipping on its axis. I now see why you did!

[backwoodsbob]

82. I dont need a mask...unlike you

I call them like I see them

[The Magistrate]

96. Gun Control is Nazi-ism, Hate Site Links: Indeed, Sir, You Do See A Lot....

[backwoodsbob]

132. show ONE link I have made to ANY gun site

you cant because it never happened but don't let that get in the way of your crusade

[The Magistrate]

134. Your Faulty Memory, Sir, Comes As No Surprise

"It's always after sun-down somewhere."

[JimDandy]

192. Why not just bookmark it then?

ETA: What advantage is there to reccing it instead?

[bunnies]

11. Yeah.

Hopefully he'll make some money for shootin that unarmed little fucker. AmIright, Bob?

[Liberal Veteran]

12. If he is found not guilty, I hope so too.

I hope he files lawsuits that are laughed out of court until his lawyers drop him for being broke.

[malaise]

13. After he is sentenced you can run off to the

backwoods

[Just Saying]

15. He's already started.

NBC mentions he's suing them fairly regularly.

I hope he's convicted but either way I hope Trayvon's parents take him for every penny he and the wife tried to hide. Oh the justice in a bunch of donations from racists going to them!


Nice flame-bait thread by the way.

[RGR375]

23. When the self defense laws were modified in Florida

Anybody who goes in front of a grand jury and is no billed or acquitted at trial in a self defense shooting can not be sued for wrongful death.

[Just Saying]

167. That seems unusual to me.

I think criminal and civil law is usually separate. Trayvon's parents have already settled with the HOA. Interesting if the actual shooter can't be held accountable in civil court.

I wonder if it would effect Florida's tourism if visitors realized how much the laws seem to defend shooters.

Anyone know how one goes about getting a concealed carry in Florida?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

16. Oh, boy...

[Little Star]

39. Not even ones as cute as those two.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

42. They look kind of sad, don't they?

The OP is making the kittens sad.

[Voice for Peace]

50. WRONG!

they saved it. phew.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. Never underestimate the power of kittens.

[matt819]

131. You got that right

This clown has 5,000 posts? With views like this, looks like he would be more comfortable trolling on Salon. When even kittens can't save a thread, you know all is lost.

[BlueJazz]

18. I, for one, believe Mr. Z will have a short life. Not my wish or hand but I suppose...

...a gang member somewhere out there will want to make a name for himself....even if it's within his own "Family"

[bluestate10]

153. I tend to share that view, whether Zimmerman is acquitted or not.

The issue that I have is the OP making a declarative statement on Zimmerman being set free, the OP clearly wants that result. And wants Zimmerman to sue afterward. If the OP watched the trial, it was with tinted glasses. I didn't watch the trail but got to see snippets, I am not so sure that Zimmerman will walk as the OP rather clearly hopes will be the outcome.

[lunasun]

166. backwoodsbob has a buddy!!

[BainsBane]

20. He should definitely file against Trayvon

the nerve that kid had being killed.

[SoCalDem]

187. and causing that lovely red jacket to be nibbled at by forensics

[maddezmom]

21. Really?

As someone said up thread, the masks are really slipping in regards to this topic.

[Skittles]

31. it's hardly news that most gun humpers are racist

[Hoyt]

49. +infinity X infinity.

[backwoodsbob]

123. are you calling me racist?

[Marrah_G]

125. You are funny

You post a nasty bit of flamebait. You know it will upset people. And then you come back here whining "are you calling me a bigot" all over the place.

Congrats, you got the reaction you were looking for, so stop crying about it.

[cyberswede]

140. Right?

...and his other thread bellyaching about it didn't turn out so well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023187149

backwoodsbob (5,018 posts)

hey sheldon Cooper..i'm not a dog killing bigot

but you have the right to think what you want...so go for it

...followed by a self-delete, despite this claim:

[NealK]

146. You? Racist?

Oh dear God! No way!

[bluestate10]

154. Yes, the poster called you a racist. I tend to agree with the poster. nt

[Skittles]

159. YES

[morningfog]

162. You give that distinct impression.

[Cali_Democrat]

164. +1000

[Notafraidtoo]

182. thats been my experience.

Not all gun nuts are racist but all racist are gun nuts.

[hlthe2b]

22. My gawd.. You've really gone full on....

Murder an innocent black youth and reap monetary reward through lawsuits? Is that REALLY what you are meaning to "cheer" on?

[Starry Messenger]

24. Then you and he can go dog-shooting together.

[Sheldon Cooper]

26. Thanks for mentioning this, I was about to bring it up myself.

Isn't the OP the one who wrote a post about blowing his dogs brains out? What a guy.

[Starry Messenger]

28. Yep:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x8665082

[HappyMe]

33. "I shot dog. I win."

Aren't you the big fucking man there, bub.

[bunnies]

36. I think he should change his name to:

batshit bob. Whadaya think?

[HappyMe]

38. I have a couple of other ideas.

But I don't want a hidden post. Keepin' my nose clean.

[bunnies]

40. I know what you mean.

That was as clean as I could keep myself.

[bunnies]

35. Holy fuck!!!

[Sheldon Cooper]

37. You know what's funny?

I wasn't here the first time that was posted. I must have seen it reposted in a newer thread. I guess your words really do follow you around on the internet!

[NealK]

147. WTF?

What a psycho.

[lumpy]

84. Nuts

n

[Skittles]

34. backwards bob kills dogs too?

not a surprise

[Tom Ripley]

25. Fuck you, bob

[CatWoman]

41. + 1 million

[RedCappedBandit]

150. Lol'd.

[Lizzie Poppet]

170. Wow, you actually got a jury to sustain that.

Looks like saying "fuck you" to another DUer is A-OK these days...

[Tom Ripley]

173. I did not know anyone alerted on it, but I guess I do now

Better luck next time

[Lizzie Poppet]

174. More than one person, I suspect.

I wasn't the first...

[Tom Ripley]

176. Well, the OP is a fuckwit...

but I guess it is nice to know that even fuckwits have those who are willing to take offense on their behalf.

[Lizzie Poppet]

179. I don't necessarily disagree.

And I'm not offended, actually (I participate on forums where far, far more aggressive attacks are de rigeur)...just thought that sort of thing was not kosher here. Things have changed...

[reusrename]

178. Jury of your peers. I'd let it stand.

I have no idea why this kind of disruption is permitted in the first place.

The OP belongs on FreeRepublic or Stormfront.

[orpupilofnature57]

27. You Hope ? I doubt it .

[HipChick]

29. Some of y'all true colors are showing..apparently the life of a young black kid is worth nothing..

[RGR375]

61. I respect all life

I feel sorry for martin and his family and also Zimmerman's. Most people do not have a clue to the self defense laws of their own respective states. I have a son that is 17 and i have told him over and over do not put your hands on anybody. why? because once you do that you may start a chain of events that may put you in the ground and the other person walks. The golden rule do not touch anybody. Some people say well this person deserved this or that and maybe they did. But in the eyes of the law you may have signed your own death warrant.

[uppityperson]

67. Trayvon had no right to defend himself. Gotcha. Z could grab him and throw him down but as soon as T

put his hands on Z, he signed his own death warrant?
WTF

[RGR375]

99. From all accounts martin was on top

So my point was the law allows you to shoot and unarmed person in certain circumstances. Once you are backed into a corner or placed into a position of not being able to get away then the use of deadly force is authorized. Please read Florida statute 776.041 use of force by the aggressor. Things are not as black and white as what people like to believe. It is more a shade of grey.

[uppityperson]

103. Was. He. On. Top. First? Did he strike or grab or touch first? WHAT proof beyond a lying cheating

asshole's word does anyone have? For all of Z's stories, for all that he has done, WHY believe him that Trayvon was the instigator?

[RGR375]

116. John good

Was 15 to 20 feet away and placed zimmerman on the bottom and martin on top by the color of the clothes. I never even said that martin was the instigator. It may not even matter who instigated it. Lets say zimmerman was the instigator then ended up on the bottom getting his ass beat. Please read Florida statute 776.041 use of force by the aggressor. The only point i was making was that you can go from being the victim to the aggressor very fast.

[bluestate10]

158. John Good testified under oath that he didn't see who took the first aggressive action.

That matters. Even if Martin ended up on top, if Zimmerman grabbed Martin first, Zimmerman loses the right to self defense, in that case Martin would have the right to self defense. No one saw who started the first action, but it is clear that Zimmerman pursued Martin and Martin attempted to escape Zimmerman before the confrontation that resulted in Martin's death.

[orpupilofnature57]

113. He victimized a child, Fact or Opinion ?

How did Zimmerman find himself under Martin ? How many times did he call 911, and how many times was he told not to pursue Martin ? In my opinion some people Cling to certain facts, while ignoring others .

[RGR375]

118. One thing you are missing

The only thing that may matter was that he was under martin. Then that fact alone may have triggered the self defense law. It may not matter how he got there.

[HipChick]

120. Only one witness said he was on top, all others said Zimmerman was the aggressor on top

No matter how much you want to excuse this child murderer...

[oberliner]

186. Child murderer?

Come on, now.

[yardwork]

189. Martin had just turned 17. That's a child.

If your 17 year old son had been shot dead at 7 pm in the evening I bet you would see the point.

[orpupilofnature57]

184. Hopfully Justice is just blind and not deaf .

[Lizzie Poppet]

171. Who cares? Zimmerman still initiated the entire confrontation.

Apparently, Florida "law" (picture those as "finger quotes&quot actually allows someone who started a confrontation to use deadly force if it turns ugly, but by any rational standard, Zimmerman bears the responsibility.

[Sancho]

185. not true...witnesses disagreed...

One said GZ was on top, got up, and said, "call 911". Regardless, the phone witness heard TM say, "let me go". I think GZ grabbed TM and TM butted him. They both fell and that's when GZ hit his head. TM didn't hit GZ (no blood or DNA on his hands), but was trying to get up to run away. GZ shot him.

TM was yelling for help.

At least that's my guess.

Also, I grew up in SC. I'm glad to leave it. There's a lot of racism - not everyone - but it's still common. This op reflects the reason I left. Florida has crazy elections and lots of repubs, but it's balanced by some good progressives.

Even my repub neighbors don't shoot dogs.

[yardwork]

188. What if your son is being attacked by a stranger?

I raised two boys. I taught them not to go with strangers. I taught them to scream and yell and fight if a strange man tried to grab them.

Didn't you teach your son that? Come on. Did you tell your son to let a stranger attack him? Come on.

[Skittles]

30. LOL

could you advertise what you really any better?

[boston bean]

43. Screw off Bob!

[Ron Quixote]

44. he filed one against NBC

He claims they clipped a video in order to make it seem as if he targeted Trayvon because of his race.

[hrmjustin]

45. He will loose that one as he should.

[warrior1]

46. wow

that's really sad backwoodsbob. Shameful.

[Scuba]

47. I miss the unrec button.

[UtahLib]

48. Are you enjoying the reactions your OP has elicited?

Where are you 'Big Bad Bob'?

[Skittles]

101. he's on another website posting the results of this OP

count on it

[uppityperson]

104. Nothing over at Frank's place that I saw with a quick look.

[UtahLib]

107. I see him upthread displaying outrage and surprise

at the affrontery of being pegged as a bigot. How dare that person call him out!

[Marrah_G]

126. Oh he is enjoying it

Now he is trapsing around trying to play the victim of the mean ole liberals.

[Marrah_G]

52. Nice little piece of flamebait

[cyberswede]

53. Unrec for this hit & run POS post.

[99Forever]

54. What sort of slimy scumbacket supports...

... a murdering slimeball Dirty Harry wannabe?

[arcane1]

55. Apparently, the one who posted this cowardly drive-by post n/t

[Deep13]

56. "if," but who do you think he can sue?

The DA? His gun killed a young man. That alone is probable cause of a murder indictment. For malicious prosecution, the plaintiff has to be innocent (as opposed to merely "not guilty&quot . Also there has to be an absence of probable cause and the DA has to know for a fact that there is no p.c.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

151. See Post 149

Instead of insulting the cretin why didn't somebody just point out to him the inanity of his claim.

[Heddi]

57. He should sue Trayvon

for making him waste a bullet and get blood and bumps on his previously pristeen and perfect melon.

He should sue Trayvon's parents for being his parents. Especially the mom since she actualy birthed him. Because if'n he wasn't born, none of this should happen.

He should sue the 7-11 for selling Skittles and iced tea.

He should sue Skittles
He should sue any manufacturer of iced tea.

He should sue the rain

[CatWoman]

70. lol

and he should sue Heddi for making me laugh so hard, I nearly peed myself

[Heddi]

75. I'm going to sue you

for peeing yourself

[CatWoman]

100. bwahahahahahahaha

[Heddi]

106. Here

here is my cat in a hat I knitted for my husband. It came out a bit smaller than I expected. The count was off, or something

[CatWoman]

108. awwwwwww

Kitteh sombero

[Heddi]

110. My husband's like

yeah, that hat is a little...small.

I said "it can be a nipple warmer, then"

he said "um, I don't have excessively large nipples'

I'm like "uh, sure you do"
ha ha

[Skittles]

77. he would not dare sue me

I would kick his fucking gun humping coward vigilante ASS; yes INDEED

[Heddi]

83. He should sue skittles AND Skittles

double endemnity if Skittles is eating skittles during the suing

[Ilsa]

109. Oh God, please have Z sue Skittles!

I'd love to see our righteous DUer kick his cowardly ASS!!! I'd pay for the privilege of witnessing this event!

[Heddi]

58. after z is found not guilty

I hope people stop posting while intoxicated.

[orpupilofnature57]

66. Sure, that's what you hope .

[Heddi]

86. after z is found not guilty

I hope that pink spring daisies sprout from my bartholin glands.

[uppityperson]

59. Who should he sue? Trayvon for making him lose a bullet? TM's parents for grieving their dead son?

Random people on the internets? Good lord, wtf and wtf

[Heddi]

60. he should sue the lawn

for getting grass on his nice black and red jacket

he should sue Trayvon for being black

[uppityperson]

62. He could sue the cement factory for manufacturing dangerous weapons!

[Heddi]

65. He should sue the clock

for making it 730pm

[uppityperson]

68. Of course he will sue Skittles for making Dangerous Candy.

[Heddi]

69. He should sue God(s)

for making the earth.

[uppityperson]

72. Darn that dangerous ground. He should sue clothing makers for hooded sweatshirts

[Skittles]

71. I WILL KICK BACKWARDSBOB ASS

YES INDEED

[uppityperson]

76. Make sure you let him touch your first so it is self defense.

[Skittles]

85. for people like bwb, SYG appllies only to gun humping vigilantes

not black teenagers walking on a public street minding their own business

[uppityperson]

87. And I don't know if letting him touch you is actually a very good idea either.

[Heddi]

89. Hey, bob stood his ground against a dog

he shure showed that dog who was boss.

[Skittles]

95. he absolutely defines COWARDICE

[Heddi]

97. and assholery

in fact, he should sue me for saying that

[Heddi]

79. No no, not THAT skittles

the candy

[Heddi]

80. although now that I think about it

he should sue you because you've got the name of a candy

[uppityperson]

91. He should sue Snickers bars as it is made by Mars, Inc and Men are from Mars and we all snicker at

his version of events too.

[Skittles]

92. Skittles was my cat

but yes, he was named after the candy - I LOVE Skittles

[Heddi]

93. well then he should make sure

to sue your cat, too

[uppityperson]

102. He should sue his father for teaching him racist views.

[Heddi]

105. my cats are Mumbles and Pickles

oh yes they are. And they will sue ZIMMERMAN just because they fucking can

[Marrah_G]

128. Picts please :)

[Gemini Cat]

63. Wow.

Who or rather what the fuck are you?

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

64. Just living up to his user-name. n/t

[Shankapotomus]

74. I think he will be found guilty. nt

[WinkyDink]

81. Remind me never to visit South Carolina.

[Skittles]

88. backwardsbob does not represent South Carolina

he represents gun nuts

[Heddi]

90. remove gun

and you're 100% spot on (still spot on with the "gun" but let's get down to brass tacks...this guy is...special)

[uppityperson]

94. + a brazillion

[Skittles]

98. hey uppity

to which website do you think backwardsbpb is posting the results this thread?

[Heddi]

112. stormfront.org

[uppityperson]

114. Aha, that could be. FWIW, another thread was started in the same vein since this one is going downhi

downhill rapidly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023186688

[frylock]

115. maybe you two can get some beers

[quinnox]

121. like who, exactly? And if you mean the murdered black kids family, then you are truly twisted

and evil. That is a very disgraceful statement, if that is what you mean. If you don't mean that, you shouldn't have left your OP so wide open and unclear.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

122. I've seen your better side, Bob, and I have to say this post surprises me.

[Apophis]

127. Dumbest. Thread. Ever.

I've only heard racist bigots say something like this.

[Rex]

129. Ain't it surreal around here?

Funny. Sad thing is some think he is innocent of killing the kid in cold blood.

[brush]

133. Dream on, buddy

That killer is going to jail.

[bravenak]

135. You love living in fantasy land?

And you wonder why people are callin you racist..........

[William769]

141. The parties over folks.

I wonder who's crying some gator tears now?

[boston bean]

142. What a shame huh? A jury did their job!

[William769]

143. Yes they did.

[Starry Messenger]

180. They taste so sweet.

I'm enjoying them.

[raccoon]

144. I have to admit, you sure had me fooled. nt

[madinmaryland]

145. Dude! Whatever it is you are smoking, please put the pipe down.

If he is found not guilty, he will fucking disappear. If he doesn't, then he can go fuck himself.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

149. Who is he going to sue?

Even if he's acquitted if he wanted to sue the state of Florida for false arrest and/or false imprisonment, and malicious prosecution he would have to prove the state lacked probable cause to arrest him.

Leave the law to lawyers...

[RedCappedBandit]

152. Against who?

*crickets*

[Rex]

155. I THINK he is being sarcastic.

But been wrong before.

[Nevernose]

168. I'm not so sure

He has other posts. But, like you, I've been wrong before. In my book, for now, he's got the benefit of the doubt. For now.

[fascisthunter]

156. ever shoot a dog

and then tell folks you don't know about it? No surprise you'd hope a psychopath walks free.

[c588415]

160. To the contrary, if Zimmerman walks, Trayvon's parents will sue him in civil court

Your hero George Zimmerman won't have a pot to piss in after he is sued for damages by Trayvon's parents in Civil Court.

[Azathoth]

177. Not likely. SYG provides civil immunity for actions taken in self-defense

It was explicitly designed to prevent those kinds of pseudo-double jeopardy suits.

[stevenleser]

181. Except a SYG defense isn't being used by Zimmerman. He refused a SYG hearing. nt

[Azathoth]

183. That doesn't matter

SYG provides both civil and criminal immunity in cases of self-defense. Had Zimmerman filed a pretrial motion to dismiss based on SYG, the judge would have had to make a finding of fact, in essence doing what the jury now has to do: decide whether the evidence supports a claim of self-defense. Zimmerman's attorneys didn't want the judge to make that finding. However, by waiving the hearing, Zimmerman only waived his criminal immunity, not his civil immunity. If a jury finds him not guilty by reason of self-defense, he can cite that in his motion to have any civil case brought against him dismissed.

[dballance]

161. I Guess the OP Had Nothing Better to do Today than Throw on a big pot of Boiling Shit.

I really don't see how this thread was started to do anything other than create the useless amount of posts and replies it has caused.

Go going Bob. If that was your intent then you got it.

[Heidi]

190. In the event of the OP being self deleted:

backwoodsbob (Original Post)
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 04:50 PM
after z is found not guilty

I hope he starts filing lawsuits .

it's gonna be interesting

[VanillaRhapsody]

191. SC....why am I not surprised?

thank FSM I left THAT god forsaken hellhole. The Armpit of the South.