So what do you think the NSA are doing with the multiple call segments/copies

[snooper2]

(Re-Posting since I didn't catch a person knowledgeable enough in technology to answer the question)

SNOWY, You online in your Hotel cubicle yet!


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Since we are now working under the assumption that they record and save every single call in the World, I wonder how they deal with the duplicate call legs...

Let's say a call stays VoIP G.711 all the way from your Comcast service to a nefarious character in Chad. The have to have the "taps" everywhere on just about every SONET path to get everything, so the packets moving from point A to point B might hit a NSA tap 5, 6, 10 times!

Here's just Level 3 network alone-
http://cdn1.cust.footprint.net/prod/App_Data/Replicated/MediaFiles/1/4/7/%7B1477C064-9C6C-4FE7-8C00-46D87AB516B9%7Dlevel3_laminated_map_005.pdf


The call will more than likely go through a couple back-to-back user agents so the SIP session ID is going to change. (That's the little identifier we use to know we are looking at the right call example) Since you have 5-10 recordings of the same call, I guess the software will have to use originating and terminating TN and based on the timestamp in the actually SIP session. But that timestamp is going to off by a few milliseconds so how do you account for that? Give the code a 10ms time gap to account for the difference, 100ms?

They must be some smart motherfuckers because I know some vendors who haven't figured out this problem yet. (network monitoring/health tools)


Maybe they are building that Rhode Island size building because they just save all 8 copies of the same call. Talk about the government being wasteful

[dkf]

1. The NSA Data: Where Does It Go? Massive data centers can store billions of bytes of information.

So what happens when the NSA runs out of space?

The new NSA facility in Utah could potentially hold the equivalent of data from about 300 billion iPhones. But what happens if the NSA runs out of room?

It's likely it won't ... because the agency is also building another data farm at Fort Meade, Maryland. But if all of the zettabytes fill up, the agency will have to resort to using yottabytes. A yottabyte, naturally, is 1,000 zettabytes, or one septillion bytes.

A yottabyte stored on terabytes would require a million data centers, which would fill Delaware and Rhode Island combined, reports Gizmodo.

And if it runs out of yottabytes?

Then there's a problem, in part because there's no official prefix after "yotta." Some have suggested the prefix bronto-, as in brontosaurus. An online petition in 2010 advocated for the prefix hella-, as in hella big.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/06/130612-nsa-utah-data-center-storage-zettabyte-snowden/

[snooper2]

2. you didn't answer the question

We would assume the have smart motherfuckers doing this right-

Do this basic math for me-

A G.711 call with a duration of 3.5 minutes * 700 billion MOU * 12 months in the year, * 20 carriers

[leveymg]

3. If they can conceivably crack RSA-1024, they'll solve this one.

See, http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/03/can_the_nsa_bre.html

[sabrina 1]

4. Selling them to Private 'security' Corporations who then sell them to individuals.

I always wondered where those companies were getting information on individuals you see advertised all the time.

Anyone remember when Gen. Clark was running in 2004 and someone found out his phone was being monitored? A reporter 'bought' information on him for $100 and got a ton of info. He never released it, but sent it to Clark to warn him of what was going on.

We used to care about these things back then and there was outrage at the time. Congress held some hearings on 'data mining Corps' but as usual, didn't do much about it. They never do when Corporations are making money.

And I think this is what they are so desperate to hide, that all this surveillance has zero to do with security, that is all about MONEY. And it is billions of our tax dollars that are paying for it, under the guise of the old WOT routine.

It's a great scam. You have Booz Allen getting billions of funds for security. Then you have the CEO of Booz Allen get appointed as 'Director of Intelligenca', an old Bush guy. Anyone think he 'testifies' before Congress as to how much 'funding' is needed to protect us from 'terror'??

We have been scammed.

[snooper2]

5. Are you wondering why you watch a YouTube video

and see an ad for a local car dealership?

[jazzimov]

6. Well, since they are instructed to immediately delete

any information that is determined to be an American on American soil -

I'm guessing it's not an issue.

Oh, and I'm PAID to know when someone is trying to "baffle me with BS". so stop it.

[leveymg]

7. "Immediately delete any info determined to be an American on US soil." Since when?

My understanding is it gets held in the MARINA for 5-10 years before it's minimized.