ZIMMERMAN TRIAL - AFTERNOON, Day 12, Wednesday, July 10, 2013

[premium]

Let's combine all the Z trial comments into one huge thread instead of bunches of thread in GD

As GSC stated earlier, I'll be covering for him for the next 2 days.
If the Defense rests today, I'll still start a morning thread tomorrow just in case the jury reaches a verdict.

Here's the working link.

http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/watch-george-zimmerman-trial-live

Thanks everyone for the comments, no matter how contentious it may get.

Ok, have at it.

[premium]

1. Kicking this. nt.

[uponit7771]

2. thx...so we don't have to keep using the morning thread

[Spazito]

3. After the defense rests, the State has the right to put forth a rebuttal case so...

it may not go to the jury just yet.

[uponit7771]

4. The rebuttal case is HOPEFULLY where they saved the best for last. They've already hinted on the...

...hands and yesterday the defense ME said if a person is swallowing blood most likely they're not talking or screaming in this case

[premium]

6. I hope John Guy does the rebuttal and closing,

this man is an awesome prosecutor, very well spoken, knowledgeable, I don't know why he hasn't done the whole case, if he had, IMO, this case would be pretty much over.

[avebury]

8. John Guy is great, however if you look at the Defense

team you see the problems of not spreading out the workload. I don't dislike the tall, balding, PA with glasses, I just wish that he had been more aggressive at times. It sucks that they inherited a case where the police did not do their job to the fullest. The police let way too many things slide and didn't call Zimmerman on a lot of things.

[uponit7771]

9. +1, the police drug tested the dead guy!!! WTF is that!? They couldn't show more bias if someone pay

...payed them!!!

[avebury]

11. I wonder if Zimmerman refused to go to the ER is that he

was afraid that if some blood was drawn, the police might have been able to get ahold of it for testing. Even if he was not required to be drug tested, he might have been concerned that it might happen anyway.

[uponit7771]

12. This is another good question, I wish the PA coudl bring it up. Also, I don't think the THC evdience

....would go against TM....who in their right mind is going to believe the guy on weed wanted to fight.

[avebury]

14. Also, going to the ER might have backfired on Zimmerman's

later attempts to try to make it look like he was seriously injured and thus in fear of his life.

[Kali]

130. it would go to bolster the defense

because zimmerman claimed martin was acting wierd/suspicious - that would "prove" his suspicion and I assume his "right" to follow martin around.

[magical thyme]

47. Any blood drawn would have required proper chain of custody and handling

to be admissible.

Chain of custody general would mean the person and the tube are never out of sight of authorized people, the tube is signed for as it moves around, etc. (We learned the chain of custody for drug urine tests in school, but that was a couple years ago.)

For DUIs at my hospital, the police have their own staff draw. For a normal draw, we use alcohol wipes to cleanse the site, but for DUI they use another cleanser so the Defense can't claim the alcohol that showed up in testing was picked up from the skin.

The blood would also have to be preserved specifically for extensive drug testing -- possibly frozen for send out to reference lab.

[avebury]

48. I don't see Zimmerman to be very bright

and actually think things through. I think that he was in panic mode that night.

He might do well in the classroom, in the real world he appears to be a disaster.

[magical thyme]

52. good point. I still suspect, tho, it was more about keeping the true extent of his injuries

in question, though, so he could claim they were worse than they were.

[premium]

53. Very true,

and I can attest to that with real world experience. You can run all the classroom scenario's in the world, but, when the rubber hits the real life world, nobody knows how they'll react at that moment, some may excel in the classroom, but shit their pants in a real life situation, others may suck in the classroom, but excel in a real life situation.

[premium]

13. The police didn't drug test Trayvon,

the ME did that during the autopsy, that's standard procedure across the country, and they didn't have grounds for a warrant to drug test Zimmerman, no cop that night said that he appeared under the influence.

[uponit7771]

15. That's because the police took Z's word for it off the bat instead of questioing ANYTHING they

....believed somehow TM was a threat IMHO.

[premium]

16. Yep, that's pretty much what happened,

the police so fucked up the investigation that I have sympathy for the state trying this case.

[uponit7771]

37. THEN Serino comes to the stand and basically testifies for the defense...given that they are doing

...pretty good in perspective

[Spazito]

42. Serino is now a beat cop, a "lateral move" according to him...

it is lateral only in that his pay wasn't cut, his authority and status certainly was. He is very resentful that charges of 2nd degree were laid and it showed in his testimony. Serino requested the move to beat cop which is interesting in and of itself.

[Voice for Peace]

41. they seem to have really good team work compared to the defense

that's an advantage.

[Spazito]

7. I am pretty sure they will put on a rebuttal case based on the testimony of the defense witnesses...

and those witnesses have given them quite a bit of leeway as to what issues they can raise in rebuttal. It should be interesting for sure. When I saw the State use the dummy during their cross this morning it says to me they will be using various methods to visually counter the defense's witnesses.

[uponit7771]

10. that's a good point

[lumpy]

115. Do you have any idea when the prosecutors rebuttal is scheduled ?

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[premium]

5. Doh!!!!

Of course, you're right.

[lumpy]

65. Thanks. The way people have been responding on this forum I wasn't sure if a rebuttal was

going to happen. Seems to me the defense has been grasping at a lot of straws, especially by bringing in a lot of questionable experts/some biased who have managed to muddy/fog the case. The jury must be in a quandary trying to make any sense of any of it. This is a tactic that has been used before : to over whelm the jury. Hopefully the prosecution will come forth with an excellent rebuttal that will get the jury attention.

[Spazito]

74. You're welcome! I, too, am hopeful and expecting a solid rebuttal from the State ...

it need not be long, imo, just focused on the key inconsistencies raised by the defense's witnesses.

[customerserviceguy]

179. Muddy/fog = reasonable doubt

However, I think that the experts the defense selected have been way more beneficial to that defense than the prosecution witnesses/experts have been for their side.

[Spazito]

17. Whoa, Zimmerman isn't in concert with his attornies re testifying...

West is being an ABSOLUTE jerk refusing to adhere to the Judge overruling him. Another jaw-dropping moment for me.

[avebury]

18. And Knock Knock just never seems to learn. nt

[Voice for Peace]

20. Objecting to the judge??

Repeatedly objecting and interrupting the judge?
Isn't that kind of a no-no?

[Spazito]

24. Yep, it is but it is up to the Judge whether they wish to raise contempt...

and I think this Judge is focused on getting this trial done in a timely manner so will not go there.

[pokerfan]

46. At some point it would become so

As much as I love Judge Nelson and as much as I appreciate her desire to complete this trial in a timely fashion, I don't believe it's proper to try to force the defendant to make a decision right now.

As much as I dislike West, he was defending the rights of his client.

As much as I dislike Zimmerman, I believe he has the right to delay any decision to pretty much one nanosecond prior to the defense resting.

[Spazito]

51. The defense has given notice they have two more witnesses, very short testimony...

before they rest. By saying that, it indicated Zimmerman wasn't going to testify so the Judge's timing on this seems appropriate to me. If Zimmerman chooses not to testify then the State's rebuttal case could begin this afternoon, if he testifies then the time frame changes.

[pokerfan]

86. I agree

but he shouldn't give up his right to testify until those witnesses have been heard. You never know when testimony could change the entire direction of the trial.

I think it would be a mistake for the defense to have George take the stand because he would fall apart on cross examination. He's not smart enough to keep his lies straight.

[Spazito]

91. His legal counsel definitely doesn't want him to testify but the decision is solely Zimmerman's...

to make and it seems Zimmerman wasn't convinced his counsel was right when questioned this morning, now we will see who prevails, his counsel or Zimmerman.

[avebury]

21. West wants more time to beat Zimmerman into

submission and say that he does not want to testify.

[naaman fletcher]

50. That's his job

Zimmerman should not testify, and if I were west I would immediately withdraw from the case if Zimmerman said he wanted to.

[JimDandy]

62. The judge would never allow him to withdraw.

And I sincerely doubt he would do that.

[premium]

58. He just trying to do what's best for his client,

he knows that the prosecution is drooling at the chance to have a go at him, right now, as it stands, the defense is sitting in a pretty good position, if Zimmerman gets on the stand, West knows it's over for Zimmerman, the prosecution would hammer him to a pulp, figuratively of course.

[naaman fletcher]

67. In addition

Testifying serves no purpose. Zimmerman's version of events is ALREADY in evidence. Putting him on the stand adds nothing, but allows the prosecution to now cross him.

Anyway, this is perplexing. It sounds to me like Zim wants to testify over the objections of his attorneys.

[premium]

72. It now sounds like he won't take that stand,

the defense said they have just 2 more brief witness', if true, then someone pounded some sense into his head.

[Spazito]

76. Just to be clear, I believe they stated they had two brief witnesses prior to the Judge asking...

Zimmerman if he, of his own free will, had made the decision whether to testify or not. They may have repeated the 'two brief witnesses' again later once the former LEO left the stand, if so, I must have missed it.

[premium]

78. I was going by your earlier post, so I may have been wrong. nt.

[Voice for Peace]

19. another livestream link:

http://wildabouttrial.com/george-zimmerman-live-stream.html

Thanks for starting the thread

[premium]

22. You're welcome,

and thank you for the alternative link.

[pintobean]

23. Has the foam dummy been excused?

I'd hate to see it mounted yet again.

[avebury]

25. LOL! nt

[premium]

27. That poor dummy,

not only does it get mounted, but also gets the back of it's head bashed against the floor.

[uponit7771]

28. +1

[Just Saying]

77. Do they clean that thing between uses?

[Kali]

134. my freaking sister called during that and I missed it all!

hope I can find a recording, because it looked pretty funny

[Voice for Peace]

178. go to this link

&list=UUnN4ZxVAFoGrg-EhoRxhtTA

That's for part 2 today. She has all parts every day, and posted very quickly.

I'm not sure if the dummy is in part 1 or part 2.

The end of part 2 -- the last 5 minutes -- Mr. West
gets all pissy with the judge, complaining and lobbing
accusations at the prosecution. O'Mara has to tell him
to chill out.

hmm: copy and paste, but take out the space
before www

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cezhr4d6oDQ

[customerserviceguy]

180. Every dummy needs some dummy sometimes. n/t

[avebury]

26. Dissention in the ranks of the Defense Team?

bob kealing ‏@bobkealing 3m I sense dissention between West and O'Mara based on exchanges I'm seeing between them waiting for jury

[Voice for Peace]

29. I love the fly on the wall tweets.

keep 'em up

[chelsea0011]

31. O'Mara looks like a pretty good damn attorney. I'm not surprised

he may be having problems with West.

[customerserviceguy]

181. Should O'Mara win his complete acquittal

and go on to extract fees in the tens of millions of dollars, West will be dumped like the kid brother drummer who gets cut out when the band makes the Top 40.

[HeroInAHalfShell]

30. I would have thought Z and his team would have decided if he should testify, no?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

33. they may have decided it

the lawyers might have decided he should not testify, Zimmerman might have decided he should. So its been decided, they just don't agree on the decision

[HeroInAHalfShell]

87. haha good call!

[Voice for Peace]

32. Let's all make an effort to keep it noncontentious

so the thread doesn't keep going off the rails,
makes it harder for people to follow the trial.

[premium]

34. I agree 100%.

Thank you.

[uponit7771]

35. YES!! Zimmerman had OTHER options!! He could've stayed his ass in his vehicle!!

[premium]

39. +1000.

If he had listened to the dispatcher, then Trayvon would still be alive to enjoy his life and we wouldn't be here having this debate.
But, you gotta wonder, if not Trayvon Martin, what about the next person walking through the neighborhood?
Would it have been someone else?
Judging by what I've learned of GZ, probably, IMO.

[uponit7771]

43. Yeap, not only the dispatcher by the NWP training said wait for the cops...and GZ saying he wouldn't

...change a thing is so hearting....


What person in that nieghborhood would trust GZ now

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

66. Than you might agree that Zimmerman is more of a predator

which further indicates he is more than likely a pathological lier. And I think the lead investigator who became a beat cop after the ordeal pretty much came to the same conclusion although he said he believed Zimmerman's story .

Because he didn't have reason not to in the form of legal grounds.
So, predators are illusive.

Narcissistic sociopaths can be illusive as all hell.
His trainer basically said Zimmerman is a nice guy but he is also a hopeless case in so far as getting into some kind of shape.

The gym thing as you know was all about the agile thing having to do with qualification testing for acceptance to the academe.
Zimmerman's poor performance at the gym is a direct reflection toward his psych. issues.

The nice guy you know,they rarely see the other guy-Jeckel- Hyde.
The victims see the reverse-
Predators hide it well from all others.
Screen shielder's.


Illusive they are.

[lbrtbell]

92. And Trayvon could've called 911 instead of a friend!

Both parties were guilty of stupid behavior. Stupidity + gun = deaths.

[uponit7771]

97. While he was running for Zimmerman?! It's obvious he thought he lost him, Zimmerman knew..

...surroundings or are we to REALLY believe the NWPerson didn't know any of the 3 streets

[noiretextatique]

106. stop blaming the victim!!!

His only "crime" was walking while black.

[Kali]

136. a black teen call the cops?

right

[uponit7771]

162. +1

[avebury]

36. West now the point guard?

bob kealing ‏@bobkealing 4m Has West become the point man to advise Zimmerman on whether he testifies? Entire trial could hinge on that decision.

[avebury]

38. Re-Cross: Mr. Root, would events have gone

differently if a Mr. Zimmerman, a civilian, had stayed in his truck and not played police officer that night?

[uponit7771]

40. ...I think Costner is setting this up, would go towards man slaughter cause Z didn't pay attention

...to NWP training nor the advice of 911 person.

Zimmerman ended up escalating the situation by his presense

[avebury]

44. Mr. Root - Could a hit to the nose be a result of

a victim elbowing the defendent in an attempt to get away and save his own life?

[avebury]

45. Time for an update on the jury.

bob kealing ‏@bobkealing 2m Jury looks tired. Not a lot of smiles or eye contact when the judge asked if they enjoyed their longer lunch today.

[Jim__]

49. I'm sure the jury has had enough of this "expert."

[dorkzilla]

54. WHY is he back again? Given this morning's performance you'd think...

...that the defense team would be hastening his departure.

I just don't get it.

[NatBurner]

55. GZ certainly had a "warrior mindset" when he attacked that police officer

too bad his criminal record can't be intoduced into evidence

[chelsea0011]

56. Bloom on MSNBC just wondered when Root said Zimmerman is not the kind

of person to act out opened up past bad acts.

[uponit7771]

61. Hopefully

[Vattel]

70. He doesn't have a criminal record.

[uponit7771]

57. Missed it, who is on the witness stand now? tia

[Jim__]

59. Zimmerman's former neighbor.

[uponit7771]

68. thx

[madaboutharry]

60. What is the purpose of this witness?

It can't be the defense trying to claim we should all be afraid of young black guys!

[senseandsensibility]

63. Lisa Bloom former Court TV reporter and attorney just made a great point

about this witness. She said that he said that Zimmerman does not have an aggressive mindset (paraphrasing), and may have opened the door for past acts evidence to come in. For example, his reported prior attack of a police officer and domestic violence charges might now be admissible. That could be a game changer.

[polly7]

69. I hope so. nt.

[yardwork]

73. I hope that the prosecution walks through that door.

[JimDandy]

95. Doubtful. The prosecution could have objected,

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as it was a baseless personal opinion...and they should have (sigh), but unless it was a witness who could speak professionally about his personality/state of mind...someone like a psychiatrist... or someone who knew him for a long time and then said that, I don't think the prosecution can say the door was opened. But who knows?

ETA: Oh, oh, oh the prosecution IS trying to go through that door by bringing up Zimmerman's assault on a police officer in 2005. Defense is objecting saying it is a prior bad act that could prejudice the jury.

ETA2: Judge denied the prosecutions request.

[senseandsensibility]

157. The judge denied it?

I didn't hear that, but I can only watch/listen sporadically.

[polly7]

64. "Yes or No"

"Do you know what Trayvon Martin was doing at the exact moment he was shot?"

Witness ..... "Yes".

"You Do!?"

commercial break.

[Jim__]

71. Hopefully that convinces the jury to disregard this guy's testimony.

[polly7]

75. That's what I was thinking.

He came back with some crazy explanation of why he, errrrr ... actually 'couldn't know that, of course'. The prosecutor is making some good points. The witness is looking desperate and dishonest, imo.

[senseandsensibility]

79. Papa Zimmerman's gonna testify!!!

Oh boy.

[uponit7771]

80. Z's father? no audio for me....tia

[senseandsensibility]

81. Yes, he's on the stand now.

eom

[premium]

83. Yes,

he said the voice on the tape is his sons. That's all that was asked. They're doing a 15 min. break now.

[Voice for Peace]

90. and then... dumdum dum dum DUMMMM.. will he? or won't he?

[Spazito]

82. Whoa, anyone notice the trace THC issue has not come up and this is supposedly...

the defense's last witness pending Zimmerman's decision whether to testify or not. It seems the defense realized they had opened the door for the State to bring in Zimmerman's prescription drugs and the possible effects they could have had on him that night.

Also notable, Shellie Zimmerman is not going to testify in support of her husband, I have little doubt that glaring absence will be noticed by the jurors, all women and most of them married.

Interesting.

[HeroInAHalfShell]

89. Wouldn't that help the prosecution then if they could bring up Z's prescription drug use?

[Spazito]

94. Well, seeing as the defence chose not to raise the issue they fought so hard to have admitted...

it is clear they saw the issue of Zimmerman's drugs as very detrimental to their client hence the sober second thought to close the door they had opened.

The State, on the other hand, obviously made it clear to the defense they intended to bring Zimmerman's drugs into court and, at the very least, neutralize the trace THC effect issue and given the verified potential side effects of Zimmerman's drugs ie agression, hostility, etc.

[HeroInAHalfShell]

96. so they both decided to just not bring that info up?

just let it go?

[Spazito]

101. The defense opened the door, the State didn't...

with the defense realizing their big oops, they closed the door. The State's case-in-chief had been completed when the defense first raised this so they could only raise this issue in rebuttal if the defense had gone forward with the testimony as they first wanted. In a nutshell, it was not a joint decision, it was a decision made solely by the defense.

[Duer 157099]

110. Didn't the jury already hear about the THC in TM's system?

I'm pretty sure that Dr. Rao made that comment. Was the jury present? I believe so.

[Spazito]

145. No, the defense realized it was a big OOPS to try and get it into testimony...

as it would open the door for the State to bring in the prescription drugs Zimmerman had in his system and their very serious potential side effects so they backed out in presenting it at all.

[Duer 157099]

147. But I heard him say it

Are you saying the jury was absent when those words came out of Bao's mouth?

[Spazito]

148. I am not sure, I thought they were present when the ME mentioned the trace THC but other posts...

have said they were not present. One would have to go back and watch his testimony to be sure.

[Duer 157099]

173. I thought so too. It was during his regular testimony and I was surprised that

when he said it, not one peep out of anyone, no objection, nothing.

[Spazito]

174. I was surprised at no objection as well, that's why I am not sure the jury was present...

when it was said. There were times I was multi-tasking while listening and hear something and think it was being said with the jury present and it turns out they were not. Maybe this was one of those times for me.

[Jim__]

84. Go for it, Georgie! Please!

[Spazito]

88. I am betting he won't but I am so hoping I am wrong and he...

insists on testifying. I have no doubt he believes he knows better than his lawyers and thinks he can fix it all. Will West prevail or will Zimmerman's arrogance prevail, it's 50-50, imo.

[Voice for Peace]

93. I'm on the edge of my chair

And he won't!

Looking weak.

[Spazito]

98. Me too!

Zimmerman has both the arrogance and the zealous belief his actions were legal to want to go against the advice of his counsel, I have no doubt, but how great that arrogance and self-righteous belief is will be the determinant, imo.

One box of popcorn is not near enough and a beer is in order as well!



Damn, he's not testifying, I'm still going to eat the popcorn and drink the beer anyway, lol.

[Voice for Peace]

99. lol now I want a beer.

His case is looking tremendously weak.

to Justice

[Spazito]

102. I will join you in the toast!

Here's to the prosecution toward their rebuttal case, to Justice and to you as well!

[Voice for Peace]

109. hear, hear! To Truth and Justice

and To Beauty Itself. And the human heart.

...
I am looking at Trayvon's mother. She looks very
young, almost like a girl.

[Spazito]

113. The dignity and grace she has exhibited throughout has been...

admirable, I have such great respect for her and Trayvon's father and my heart breaks for them, their pain is so evident along with their dignity and grace.

[Bay Boy]

176. I can't imagine how hard it would be to...

...sit there and listen to all this testimony and not be able to say anything. I'm sure I'd want to scream out at times.

[Spazito]

177. I can't imagine either yet both did so showing incredible strength...

they were there for their beloved son, to see justice done, their strength of character ever present.

[senseandsensibility]

85. Lisa Bloom just said that open court is ended for today, and the judge wants a decision about Z's

testifying or not by this afternoon.

[HeroInAHalfShell]

100. so Z wont testify. Wonder how this will look after the trial is over.

[avebury]

103. Refresh my memory. Who is Pollock? nt

[madaboutharry]

104. Gym owner

Seems rather hostile, imho.

[Spazito]

107. Impeachment of this witness on the horizon it seems...

good!

[Voice for Peace]

111. I don't recall his testimony, or why he would be impeached?

?

[madaboutharry]

112. Impeachment is not proper in rebuttal, so the scope is an issue.

[Voice for Peace]

117. I see.. but what was his original testimony about?

[Spazito]

127. Formal impeachment isn't allowed but actual impeachment-discrediting the testimony is...

it is a legal nuance but it's effect is the same to the jury given the Judge's instructions do not include any specific reference to impeached testimony but, instead, tells the jury they may give credibility to all, some or none of the testimony of the witnesses. It is a general instruction, no naming names, so to speak.

[Spazito]

121. He testified that Zimmerman, even though he was taking MMA classes three times a...

week, three hours a day, for about a year, he really was a wimp and learned nothing. His testimony was biased and he was advertising his involvement in the Zimmerman case on his business website which is where the prosecutor was going, before defense's objection, to show his testimony was based on self-interest. I hope the Judge allows the prosecution to continue down this line of questioning.

[Voice for Peace]

163. but he said "absolutely not"

when asked about it.. ?

[Spazito]

167. Yes but the Judge sustained the defense's objection to that line of questioning...

and, seeing as that was the only line of questioning the State intended to pursue with him, he 'disappeared' from the witness stand without any explanation to the jury, that I heard, anyway. I wonder if they are scratching their head over that one.

[Voice for Peace]

168. aha.. I had to leave off watching just at the point of his objection.

I didn't hear that it was sustained, just that they
all gathered up front.

Here is another question if you know:

If a defendant is innocent, why would he/she not
testify -- in what case would that be to the
defense's advantage? If the person is innocent.

[Spazito]

169. Well, it IS the defendent's right to choose not to testify and the jury is given...

instructions that they are not to consider a decision not to testify as a sign of guilt (I'm paraphrasing but that's the gist of it). Instructions are one thing but lawyers and just about everyone else knows juries want to hear from the defendant and are disappointed when they do not and can't help but wonder why for the same reasons you state in your post.

Most defense lawyers do not want their client to testify because they know the cross-examination is full of traps, from their perspective, or if they know their client is likely to come across as 'unlikeable'. They see having their client testify as a risk rarely worth taking so most don't.

[Voice for Peace]

108. this guy? from the gym?

this is interesting... I have somewhere I needed to be
about 3 hours ago, I can't tear myself away.

Why doesn't he promote Zimmerman's training on
his website? The look on his face was shock and
horror. .. defense objects.. what's going on???

[riverwalker]

175. Adam Pollock

Offender Name: ADAM POLLOCK

Arrested On: 03/11/2013

Booking ID: 201300002886

Charge:
•FELONY BATTERY BY STRANGULATION
•KIDNAP-FALSE IMPRISONMENT
•AGGRAV ASSLT W/ A DEADLY WEAPON without INTENT TO KILL
•BATTERY-CAUSE BODILY HARM

Arrested By: Longwood Police Department


http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/longwood-gym-owner-accused-attacking-woman-who-sch/nWsC9/

Longwood gym owner accused of attacking woman who conned him

[Spazito]

105. I just want to add my thanks to both you and GSC for starting these threads...

keeping the posts all together has been both informative and has provided continuity for me in trying to follow the day's events and get the perspectives of others on those events.

Thank you!

[TDale313]

118. I second that. Thank you. n/t

[avebury]

114. The PA is on to something.

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390 Sansu Court,
Longwood, FL 32750


To receive information about the training George Zimmerman received at KOKOPELLI'S GYM, please email request by filling out the form provided below.

[Jim__]

116. But can he get it in?

[avebury]

123. How the guy on the one hand talk about what a disaster

Zimmerman was in the gym (totally inept) and then he is advertising for people to sign up for that same training that Zimmerman got? Is the training effective or not?

[madaboutharry]

120. Oh jeez.

This gym owner is a total sleeze.

[avebury]

129. ANd remember, he had to be in court the day after his

first testimony to answer on assault charges.

[Ninga]

122. What's happening now?? Cross exam??

Sitting in a waiting room...

[avebury]

124. The jury is being excused for now. nt

[Jim__]

125. Proffer? he is testifying out of jury's presence - after a 15 min break.

[Azathoth]

126. They're not offering "Zimmerman classes"

It says register with your email address if you want to find out whatever training Zimmerman took.

Sounds like a sleazy attempt to capitalize on the trial's publicity.

[Spazito]

131. It is absurd given he, in essence, testified to how crappy his training was...

but he is betting on most people who access his site know nothing about his testimony and would want the training Zimmerman had and sign up. Self-interest at it's sleaziest for sure.

[pintobean]

119. Screen shot of the gym's Zim page

[lynne]

128. The gym isn't marketing with that page -

- it's for reporters requesting info on type of classes that Zimmerman took. Guessing they've been getting a lot of requests for details of Zimmerman's training. This is their way of handling it.

Were they marketing Zimmerman classes, it would be on their front page and they would market with details, price, etc. This is hidden under "events". Pretty poor marketing if that's the case.

[pintobean]

133. That's the way I see it, too.

I'm sure they're being flooded with calls.

[Spazito]

135. It says nothing about limiting enquiries to the media and, if you will note, there is a *

at the bottom of the page which states:

*George Zimmerman training information will be provided for those who request it after the completion of the trial.

It is marketing at it's sleaziest as well as really, really dumb to put this up before the trial had concluded as we see based on what is happening currently.

[lynne]

138. No, it doesn't say "media only" -

- as other's will request those details, too, but I would imagine that mostly the media has been doing so up to this point.

It also doesn't indicate that any price is charged, it says "information will be provided for those who will request it". Doesn't indicate that classes are available, either. Just information.

BIG Stretch to consider this marketing.

[Spazito]

140. Not a stretch at all, imo

Because there is no price quote up front, there IS the intent to send an e-mail back with the requested information and the costs associated with the program would be given at that time, that is very common when doing on-line inquiries about various programs.

[madaboutharry]

137. He should have titled the page "Press"

if that is the case.

[lynne]

139. I agree it was poorly done -

- however, it only mentions information - nothing about classes, fees, etc.

[avebury]

132. Why did they go into recess again so soon after the

last one? I don't think that they went even an hour.

[Nevernose]

141. What do Phil Spector, Drew Peterson, and George Zimmerman have in common?

They all hired Dr. DiMaio to be the defense's medical examiner.

[Hoyt]

142. Another day listening to how violent Zippo seems/wants to be -- fight training and a gun toter.

[avebury]

143. PA is going after Zimmerman's prior bad acts

to show he is not milk toast.

[Nevernose]

144. Yes and no

It's not that he's trying to admit prior bad acts, it's directly rebutting the testimony the defense entered claiming he was a wimpy milquetoast. Small difference, but an important one.

[Spazito]

146. I have to say I hope the Judge doesn't allow this as I think it would open the door to...

what the defense would consider Trayvon Martin's prior bad acts - suspension for being found with pot residue, etc.

I admit I am surprised the State is even going here as part of their rebuttal.

[Beaverhausen]

150. Trayvon smoking pot has nothing to do with what happened that night

Zimmerman's violent past have everything to do with it.

[Spazito]

154. It is the issue of 'prior bad acts', if that door is opened by one side...

the other side can also introduce evidence of 'prior bad acts'. It widens the scope to allow inclusion of why Trayvon Martin was at his Dad's girlfriend's home instead of in school in Miami, to wit, the suspension and the reason for the suspension bringing in the pot aspect, imo. It isn't limited to degree, it is the question of scope.

[Nevernose]

152. It's rebuttal, not prior bad acts

It would only open the door to previous stuff Trayvon might have done IF the prosecution had introduced evidence that he was an angel who didn't take drugs or know how to fight. As it is, the state's not trying to say with is witness that Zimmerman is bad, the State is trying to say, "What the defense just told you about George not knowing how to fight is bullshit."

[Spazito]

158. It is testimony as to 'prior bad acts' ie assault of a undercover officer 8 years previously...

and opens the door for the defense to attempt to bring in 'prior bad acts' by Trayvon Martin they perceive as helpful to their client. The defense, previously successfully argued they should be able to bring the issue of the trace THC found in Trayvon Martin's system and it's possible effects in through testimony. They subsequently re-thought doing that because it would open the door for the State, in their rebuttal case, to bring in the prescription drugs being used by Zimmerman and the serious potential side effects.

Given the Judge allowed the defense to introduce the trace THC, I wonder if she will do the same here as to the assault of an undercover officer by Zimmerman. It's a 50-50 chance, imo.

[avebury]

149. Wow! Several Defense witnesses have been

bad little witnesses!

[madaboutharry]

153. Judge Nelson was very annoyed last night about

the witnesses not obeying the rules of sequestration. She mentioned it to West during their little tiff.

[avebury]

155. The number of alleged violations appear to be growing.

I think that Donnolly thought that Zimmerman's side needed a boost and that is why he all of a sudden decided to listen to the tape, go to court, and claim it was Zimmerman. It totally makes his testimony questionable because it calls to mind his motive.

[Nevernose]

156. Even Zimmerman's FRIENDS suck.

Zimmerman's stories, lawyers, and witnesses never cease to amaze me.

[Spazito]

159. Add to that Zimmerman's lawyers as they were present when Goode violated...

the sequestration order and consulted with them and the animation guy during it's production. They knowingly participated in the violation of the sequestration order re Goode.

[chelsea0011]

151. If jury instructions are tonight is the prosecution not doing a rebuttal?

[Spazito]

171. It sure seems like it at this point...

maybe they are confident they have made their case through both direct and cross-examination in the case-in-chief and intent to cover anything else in their closing arguments, both in the main and then the rebuttal. I'm surprised and will be interested to see their closing arguments for sure.

[avebury]

160. Wouldn't it be the responsibilty of the attorneys

to make sure that any of their potential witnesses were escorted out of court if they showed up after sequestration was put into place? Shouldn't there be sanctions against the Defense Attorneys?

[Spazito]

161. The Judge has complete discretion in this regard...

and it appears she has chosen not to go that route. It is unfortunate, imo, that, as a result, the defense lawyers and their witnesses were allowed to violate the sequestration order with no penalty.

[Voice for Peace]

165. maybe once the trial is concluded?

I don't know what the processes are for a judge
complaining about a lawyer.

[Spazito]

166. It didn't sound like it to me from her rulings...

it appears she decided to let it pass without any consequences.

[avebury]

170. So as a result, she made a mouse of a molehill

and has lost credibility in the process.

[Spazito]

172. Yes, I admit I am disappointed by her lack of action on this...

I didn't expect her to strike the testimony of the witnesses as that would be the a very serious decision on her part but I would have expected, at the very least, one of the lesser remedies available to her to indicate violation of the sequestration order is serious and is not to be tolerated.

Judge Nelson didn't read what the lesser remedies available to her were only addressing the striking of testimony as that was the remedy the State put forward in their argument.

[Spazito]

164. The Judge stated the jury will not be in attendence until 1:00 pm when the closing...

arguments will begin. The morning is going to be spent arguing re the 'special' jury instructions, no mention of witness testimony at all. Did the State withdraw their intent to bring forward the witness they were arguing for or, possibly he was not available to testify? If so, it's off to the closing argument tomorrow afternoon. She has given each side 3 hours to give their closing arguments which, for the State, includes any time they intend to use in their rebuttal argument.

She is expecting the jury to get the case Friday afternoon and begin their deliberations.