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The practice is hardly a new feature of US politics, but career diplomats in Washington are increasingly alarmed at how it has grown. One former ambassador described it as the selling of public office.
On Tuesday, Obama's chief money-raiser Matthew Barzun became the latest major donor to be nominated as an ambassador, when the White House put him forward as the next representative to the Court of St James's, a sought-after posting whose plush residence comes with a garden second only in size to that of Buckingham Palace.
As campaign finance chairman, Barzun helped raise $700m to fund President Obama's 2012 re-election campaign. More than $2.3m of this was raised personally by Barzun, pictured, according to party records leaked to the New York Times, even though he had only just finished a posting as ambassador to Sweden after contributing to Obama's first campaign.
State Department veterans are increasingly concerned about the size of donations raised by political supporters who go on to take up top foreign posting. Thomas Pickering, who recently led the investigation into lethal attacks on the US embassy in Libya and represented the US at the United Nations, claimed the practice had become nothing more than "simony" the selling of public office.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/10/obama-donors-top-embassy-jobs-rewards
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm curious.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)deeply respects and trusts be cause for concern?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)with that hideous avatar. Who would have thought.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and positions like it are ceremonial positions that always go to political supporters, not career diplomats.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)But to think it is racially motivated instead of holding Democratic officials to a higher standard than Republican ones is silly. I voted for Obama, a better candidate than a Republican. I will never stop hoping for him to be a better person than a Republican. If that makes me a "traitor" to the Democratic party, so be it.
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(68,868 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)was considered a scandal, and let's not pretend that it wasn't. Did you forget Clinton getting hounded for everything under the sun until they impeached him for lying before Congress about something that had nothing to do with the nation?
Were you alive during the Clinton administration?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)he should never have had to testify about such matters in office, but he did perjure himself
Aerows
(39,961 posts)could be excavated about him and bore no fruit. Remember Whitewater? If you tell me that Clinton got the kid gloves treatment and Obama is getting the Golden gloves treatment by Republicans, you don't know Republicans.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Clinton was careless and left himself open to those attacks.
The Republicans have been able to make nothing stick, nothing. Not even a whiff of impropriety.
It drives some people batty to hear this, but Obama has been about as squeaky clean of a President as we've ever had. Even Jimmy Carter had Bert Lance.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's a good thing. Comparing criticism of the President for policy choices with being a racist does, however, annoy the shit out of me. It's like you have no cards left.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Especially the stuff about how he golfs or his family is enjoying too much luxury. Because they're not good enough to live like every President's family before them has.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Otherwise, I see disputes among Democrats about policy and to try to convert that into race-based criticism is wrong. Take the race-based criticism to Freeperville where they originated. Here on DU, we are talking about facts, and trying to play "hurt feelings, you racist because you disagree with me" here where people have been solely focused on the issues seems wrong to me.
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(68,868 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)But it isn't in the heart, soul and mind of everyone posting here. And I'd venture to guess it would be in the heart soul and mind of even the vast minority here. Most of us know how to get along and decry racism. Nobody is perfect here, but I doubt you will find too many here that hate the POTUS because he's black - they dislike his policies because they disagree with him on policy.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)So, that element is there.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)make that comment? Is everyone from DU suddenly responsible for every comment that people on the internet make? Good grief.
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(68,868 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)was being spread over all of DU, since, you know, you conflated said comment with DU posters.
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(68,868 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)posters to me with people that make racist comments, and I'm not inclined to let you blow that off since that is what you did, and anyone with eyes can see it.
"it isn't in the heart, soul and mind of everyone posting here. And I'd venture to guess it would be in the heart soul and mind of even the vast minority here. Most of us know how to get along and decry racism. Nobody is perfect here, but I doubt you will find too many here that hate the POTUS because he's black - they dislike his policies because they disagree with him on policy. "
Which "here" did you think I meant, Disney World, or DU?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Sorry, that is not a reference to DU. With respect, I do not care whether you are willing to let me off the hook with this. I reject your characterizing, and quite honestly this discussion has become tedious.
Last word is yours.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)with racist internet posters, and now you choose to run from your statements by running as far away from your statements as possible.
Thanks for the last word. At least you know when you are in a hole to quit digging in it
. I admire that in a person.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Oh yeah, and the fucker was constantly on vacation cutting brush at the ranch, and that riled me up as well.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Much moreso than Obama. But the press has never figured that out.
RC
(25,592 posts)So it didn't count. If it happened to you or me, it would not be perjury and the question would be ruled out of order.
But because it was Bill Clinton being hounded for anything they could get...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)So, yes it was in direct connection with that case. The problem is that the SCOTUS voted 9-0 that allowing a President to be grilled under oath about his sex life wouldn't be disruptive.
RC
(25,592 posts)Clinton got the judge to define sexual intercourse as vaginal penetration by a man's penis.
So in that civil case, by definition of the judge, Clinton did not lie, he and Lewinsky did not engage in sexual intercourse.
We both know Bill Clinton was being railroaded.
but those who seek to make it racial instead of political have an agenda. You can't criticize a Democratic President who is black, but there are plenty of reasons to criticize a Democratic President who is white. Which is pure foolishness given the history of the Republican party inventing wrong-doing.
Blue Bike
(65 posts)Unless you agree with Rush Limbaugh et. al.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)unqualified.
Because, you know, Obama.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)I cannot believe I am seeing such petty bullshit about President Obama posted on Democratic Underground with regularity. Pathetic.
cali
(114,904 posts)forever, and is hardly worthy of being posted.
eShirl
(20,259 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)NightWatcher
(39,376 posts)Do we really want to go there?
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I think folks who want to do this stuff should refrain from the years of sermons about how Sanctified they are and Jesus opposing gay people and such. Once a person spews at others claiming a morality far and above that of the others, I expect to see something different than that which is done by others who have not preached about being Sanctified.
It's not a big deal, it is just amusing how common the men who claim superiority really are in the end.
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(68,868 posts)msongs
(73,755 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)that particular post and others. They have not 'always' been for sale. In recent times they have been bartered and bargained, but not always. A person in such a role at times has extremely important duties, an ambassador can make peace and even cause war. It should not be a tag sale item even if it is. Mind you this President has lectured me about my family and 'Sanctity' and some high moral Bible standards he claims to have, so it is fair to expect him to live as he has felt so free to preach at other to live. Sanctimony has a cost.
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(68,868 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Everything else walks in this admin.
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)Cha
(319,086 posts)Good point.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,958 posts)If this is the worst problem that we have to worry about right at this moment, then I'd say we're doing pretty good IMHO.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)This stuff is so transparent.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Its a complete hate-fest. Someone even wonders if there are any "non-caucasians". Obvious much?
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(68,868 posts)That's the Greenwald/Snowden demographic I guess.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)The Guardian must be so proud.
dusty trails
(174 posts)I recall Shirley Temple Black was an ambassador to several countries under GOP Presidents Ford and Bush the Elder.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
William769
(59,147 posts)It's one of the perks of the job. It's not like President Obama is the first to ever do this.
GeorgeGist
(25,570 posts)Next.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)No credentials, whatsoever. No outrage then, GOP?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)not ambassadorial material, apparently.
mitchtv
(17,718 posts)patronage for repugs only
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Obama put a lot of emphasis on getting the 'little' people to vote and contribute. We all needed to work together to make a change.
When he gets in office it is those who raised the most that get the rewards - from corporations to individual fundraisers. In other words, it worked the same as it always has but the outreach was broader and supposedly different.
I.E. Politics as usual. He did what everyone else has done when we were hoping he would mix it up a bit. How many black ambassadors or female ones have we had to major posts? Why not someone completely out of the beltway/inner circles to some of those posts? How many bloggers and such worked their butts of online to push for him to get in - what reward did they get or recognition?
What he did was not wrong. It just wasn't a change (except in a few cases). We wanted a whole new slate, a different way of doing things after all of the years of bushs and raygun.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)From here out I'll refer to those who would excuse any policy or political behavior as perfectly fine since, since, umm...Andrew Jackson!! as H2MF's.
You know who you are. Carry on.
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(68,868 posts)only the usual anti-Obama bedwetters
IDemo
(16,926 posts)It's not petty to expect someone who gains a diplomatic post to have some semblance of qualifications besides deep pockets.
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(68,868 posts)From the Guardian (same paper that published this story):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/10/matthew-barzun-us-ambassador-britain-obama
It is with the nomination of Barzun, however, that the Obama administration has signalled most clearly that the UK-US relationship remains central to the Obama administration's strategic vision in the president's second term.
The US ambassador in London is often a career capstone, given to a well-heeled political insider as a glamorous, end-of-career posting.
However, this tradition contrasts with the spirit of innovative thinking and tenacious hard work in the west wing of Obama's White House. The key staff in this White House tend not be DC careerists. They are often young, technology-savvy and entrepreneurial. With the nomination of Barzun, President Obama has deployed one of this new generation of power players to London.
During the four years I spent at the state department serving secretary of state Hilary Clinton, I personally helped to train more than 150 of America's ambassadors. Some were brilliant. Some less so. Seeing him among his peers, I got a good view of Barzun as ambassador-in-training, as a political actor in Washington, and then during his successful posting as ambassador to Sweden.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)While Barzun may be one of the rare ones with money and capability, some in the diplomatic community disagree with buying your way into an embassy.
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"In a few exceptional cases they are not detracting from credibility of diplomatic service, but at the scale it's being done it is undermining the concept of a career diplomatic service and weakening the strength and capacity of the diplomatic service."
And,
At at time when the US is reaching the limits of its "hard power", career foreign service staff argue it is time for professional diplomacy to mount a comeback.
* Not that any Act actually serves to limit the exercise of power anymore.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)What makes you think that people with money aren't also smart?
Can you name a single Obama nominee who isn't qualified? Not only for embassy postings, but anywhere in government? He doesn't appoint Brownies.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)While having money isn't a direct measure of intelligence, it has almost always provided a pathway to influence and power.
And yes, mentioned in the article was someone who evidently lacked (or failed to use) any capability for the job.
US ambassador to Luxembourg was 'aggressive, bullying, hostile and intimidating'
A top Obama campaign donor rewarded with the post of US ambassador to Luxembourg was "aggressive, bullying, hostile and intimidating" and left her embassy in a "state of dysfunction", according to an official report.
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(68,868 posts)date of this article.
Got anything more current?
IDemo
(16,926 posts)Your question was asked and answered.
renie408
(9,854 posts)He was ambassador to Sweden, so he got some experience while there. And I tend to think our diplomatic relations with England are probably fairly stable, right?
I think it is so strange the things people use to attack Obama when there are some pretty serious, legitimate things you could say.
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(68,868 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Wastes the taxpayers money!!!11!!11!!"
Historic NY
(40,037 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Now that corporation are people they can dispense the middle-men...aka politicians.
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(68,868 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Where he could rub shoulders and sip champagne with like minded capitalists.
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(68,868 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Response to FarCenter (Original post)
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Robb
(39,665 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)dsc
(53,397 posts)To find a career diplomat you have to go back to Bush the elder in 1991. Clinton replaced him with Adm Crowe who while not a career diplomat was not a campaign fundraiser. It should be noted the Clinton replaced Crowe with a business man but at least he had been a professor of public policy and had a demonstrated interest in foreign policy.
toddwv
(2,831 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)According to an August 3, 2009 report from NBC News:
In the past 50 years, the average percentage for political appointees has been about 30 percent, according to AFSA. The practice increased under George W. Bush 36 percent of his picks were political. (Jimmy Carter appointed the least at 24 percent.)
Because many of the political appointments are made early on in a presidency, Obamas percentages will likely decrease; as more ambassadors are named, more are likely to be career Foreign Service.
(Source: "Ambassadors: Do patronage picks matter?")
This is what I found quickly. I don't have time to follow up on the suggestion in the last paragraph of the excerpt, to see what Obama's cumulative percentage is now, almost four years later. One source quoted in the OP's linked article estimates that it's gotten back to the more typical 30 percent.
IMO the percentage of political appointees is a more meaningful measure than the average amount of money raised (the focus of the OP's linked article). The rising amount just reflects the change in the nature of campaigning and campaign finance. Campaigns have gotten more expensive and so fundraising has been taken to higher levels.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)No matter who's living at 1600, the pals that donate the most cash get all the perks.
The rest of us get screwn. And re-screwn.