Im listening to the most F'd up RW conversation happen right outside my window.

[bunnies]

Between my downstairs neighbor (an asshole) and my next door neighbor (who I liked until just now). Theyre running the whole gamut of tbagger talking points. This is what Ive learned so far:

1- the gov't is hoarding ammunition because of the impending civil war. Theyre up to something. Obamas gonna kill us all.
2- when are the idiots who voted for Obama gonna stop blaming bush?
3- Christians are being persecuted by the gov't who wants to turn everyone into atheists. No ones gonna tell me I cant be religious!
4- the end-times are upon us so we better be prepared. Its gonna happen. Any day now.
5- theyre coming for our gunzzzz!
6- they'd both have shot the hell out of that "little black punk" too.
7- foreign wimmins are much more devoted to their men. (assholes wife is Russian)
8- the collapse of the dollar is coming so... buy moar gunzzz and build that bunker!
9- better hide those gunz cuz see: #6
10- too bad everyone else isnt as smart and informed as they are. When are the rest of us gonna wake the fuck up?

Holy fucking hell. Sorry to drag all of you into this hell but its the only thing thats keeping me from going down there and screaming at them both. How the shit am I supposed to be civil to these assholes now? Mind you... good christian military guy downstairs spends hours every day screaming at his wife who is constantly yelling that she hates him and wants to go back to Russia. Fuck. If I had to live with that bullshit Id want to go back to Russa too.

This is the first time Ive had to deal with this type of idiot in person. I really dont know how to deal with them now. Im not even sure I can be "nice".

edit: well, luckily it started raining which sent them scurrying. Good. I dont think I could have taken much more.

[Archae]

1. You live in a trailer park?

I did for a couple months, and saw and heard just about all you mentioned.

Only substitute "Reagan" for "Obama." (Go figure, Reagan was the Antichrist?)

[RebelOne]

7. I live in a trailer park and have never heard any shit like that.

And I am in Georgia. Most of the people I know are Obama supporters.

[Nevernose]

29. I guess it depends on the trailer park

I lived in one for a couple of years that was mostly minority (I think they let me in for contrast in group photos ) and never would have heard any shit like that.

Then again, I stayed with at a buddy's place for a couple of months in a trailer park that was primarily older and/or retired white folks and I heard shit like that all the time. In fact, I was at the founding meeting of the local militia group (this was the early 90s) and Art Bell even came out to speak to "us" a couple of times.

[bunnies]

8. nope.

In a regular neighborhood where most of the big old houses are now apartments. I cant believe they were talking like that loudly, outside, where everyone could hear. They both belong on FR. This sucks. Now I want to move.

[Archae]

17. Where would you go?

I'm afraid there are assholes like that anywhere you go.

Up in Northern WI, some biker was blasting some sort of "country rap" out of his motorcycle speakers, very loudly saying "I like the n****** too!"

He sees us giving him odd looks, he gives us the finger and roars off.

[bunnies]

21. Good question. I dont know.

But now that I know asshole downstairs has guns it makes me nervous. Hes constantly screaming, stomping around the apt and slamming things. And he's obviously got some paranoid tendencies. Hes the exact opposite of the Marine that lived below us before. This guys a loose cannon if I ever met one.

[Laelth]

2. Wow. I feel bad for you.

I think that "civil" is the most I could manage with those two. "Friendly" is out of the question.

-Laelth

[bunnies]

10. And I usually take care of assholes plants when he goes away for work.

Im thinking they might get some rare insect infestation next time. If there IS a next time. ugh.

[CokeMachine]

55. So you are willing to kill your neighbors plants --

just because he's an asshole?? That's not what I expect of my progressive friends. To each their own, I guess!!

I take care of my RW neighbor's dogs when he is on the road. Should I poison them?? Just curious.

BTW, he takes care of my dog when I'm out of town. Should I worry about my dog being poisoned because we are on opposite ends of the political spectrum??

Keep it real please.

[bunnies]

59. Overreact much?

You think Id import some rare infectious insects to attack the plant? Really?

Yes. You should obviously kill your neighbors dog. <---- because you need to be told.

[Bonhomme Richard]

3. Maybe there is a God and he had had enough so came the rain. n/t

[bunnies]

11. lol.

that almost tempts me to become religious.

[wryter2000]

4. Wow

So sorry you had to hear that. If they start again, is there any way to play something loud outside the window? Say, the Dixie Chicks or President Obama talking? That'd send them back under their rocks.

Avoid both of them, but if it ever sounds as if the downstairs asshole hits his wife, call the police.

[bunnies]

14. Weve thought about calling the police before.

He was screaming about her trying to punch him. Its bad... but when they fight sometimes I listen to the floor for signs of violence. They shouldnt be together at all.

Playing something out the window is a great idea! I'll have to cue something up for round 2. They ended their little chat with "we'll continue this" "we're on the same page, brother".

[Douglas Carpenter]

5. I wish it was only a small handful of right-wing nuts who thought like that - but it is not

it is a major portion of the population

[bunnies]

16. I just didnt expect it to be in my house!

And my next door neighbor?! I wanted to take the hose to them.

[Just Saying]

56. I was thinking a grenade.

Kidding of course but a thought your neighbor would appreciate on some level.

Sorry to hear about that.

[JustAnotherGen]

6. Do you mind if I ask

Where do you live?

[bunnies]

9. Southeast NH. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

12. Gaaah

And I thought things were bad in Christie Worship Land. Ohhhh Great Leader!

[Agschmid]

31. Sounds about right for Salem... n/t

[bunnies]

33. Im closer to Portsmouth which is very liberal, typically.

Or so I thought.

[smirkymonkey]

34. No way!

I thought we were safe from idiots like that here in New England. Guess not.

[bunnies]

41. So did I.

Except for occasional paulbot of course. I really wish they'd get the hell out. Fingers crossed that these blowhards dont actually vote. I cant stand the thought of seeing them at our polling place.

[Savannahmann]

13. Generally speaking, I can find something in anyone to disagree with.

I've yet to come across anyone with whom I can agree entirely on every subject. My faith is my own business, I'd describe it as pieces of a number of faiths, and sciences.

That aside, I'm not making excuse for them. I've got no idea what they are like personally, you are unarguably better acquainted with them than I am. I would not try to argue you out of considering the one is an asshole.

However, I've found that many people are for lack of a better term, chameleons. They go along with whomever they are speaking to at the moment. If they are talking to a RW loon, they find it easier to agree, and go along, and parrot the talking points, not like that's difficult, a three year old could do so. By doing so, they tell themselves that they are being neighborly, or avoiding the inevitable difficulties that will arise in attempting to further educate a moron.

The one you consider an a-hole. I know a couple people like that. I don't bother arguing with them. I learned long ago that it is impossible to pour sense into the mind of a fool. I'll smile and nod my agreement when they present the latest insane theory. The sad part is, that often they have a kernel of truth in those theories, but they are unable to find it in the fluff of nonsense. An example would probably clarify that. Take the normal nonsensical argument against tax increases. They don't understand the enormous disparity of wealth, and of earnings. They ignore the declining standard of living for a majority of us, and the diminishing middle class. But there is a kernel of truth. The truth is that often Government squander money foolishly, just as people will squander money. In Afghanistan, they just completed construction of a $34 million dollar headquarters complex, about twelve months before we are going to be pulling the last troop out. Nobody wanted it, but we pushed it through, and wasted the money on a building that we'll never use.

Now, we here know that for every example of asinine waste, we can find three examples of well spent money. Disaster relief, food for the poor, Alternative Energy research, Climate Change research, and I could go on, and on, and on. So could you in all probability.

For the one you kind of liked previously, strike up a conversation later. Don't mention this, find a subject and see what he thinks about something else. I suspect, with very little evidence other than the fact that you liked him previously to some extent, and I would trust your judgment to smell out a RW lunatic before now, that he is a chameleon, able to shift from right to left, and personally far more moderate, than you give him credit for at this moment.

A moderate I can live with, they normally go with the crowd, and the crowd tends to avoid lunatic RW nuts.

[bunnies]

18. Thank you.

Ive been wondering about the next-door guy. We've had conversations previously with no speck of RW lunacy. But in this conversation, he was adding equally as much tbagging bs as the asshole. I would *never* be able to go along with, let alone add to, such a ridiculous conversation. Ill try to give him the benefit of the doubt but Im just so disgusted right now.

As for the asshole downstairs, I already avoid him like the plague whenever possible. I had a gut feeling about him which has turned out to be accurate.

[Raine1967]

30. maybe the next door guy was just going along to get along?

I'd be disgusted too.

What a bad situation.

[bunnies]

32. Id like to think that...

but he was SO animated about it. And HE was the one that brought up blaming bush and shooting Trayvon. Im seriously considering putting my Obama yard sign out on my deck where he can see it. And that bit about foreign women? That was him too. He came off as racist and sexist in one fell swoop.

Damn good thing it started raining before they to ragging on the "takers". The conversation had started going in that direction.

[Raine1967]

53. Like I said -- been there.

It's a feeling of intimidation that these pissants do subconsciously. If you can handle it -- put that sign out.

[Capt.Rocky300]

15. There's a line from a John Wayne movie.......

"Just because we're neighbors, doesn't mean I have to be neighborly."

[bunnies]

25. Did he have baggers for neighbors too?

[Capt.Rocky300]

58. I think you could say that...........

they were happy living in the 1870s.

[Liberal_in_LA]

19. lol.

[bunnies]

26. No laughing at my misery!

[Maximumnegro]

20. Doesn't sound too different from DU these days frankly

Same level of extremist hysteria with a dose of racism thrown in. I particularly love the virulent 'WE know the REAL truth about what's going on'.

[bunnies]

24. Oh yeah. The asshole was going on and on...

about how he spends all his free time "learning" about all the truths "those dumbass liberals" are to dumb to figure out. Its was like freerepublic came to life in my driveway. My head STILL hurts from hearing that crap.

[abelenkpe]

22. I understand your frustration

Sometimes it's easier when you don't know what your neighbors think about politics and religion, etc.
They sound just like my eat coast family. Best to just steer clear of them.

[bunnies]

23. Im starting to think that goes for just about everyone I know.

Between what some of my "friends" post on fb and now this... I think Im surrounded by racist, tbagging idiots.

[refrescanos]

39. surrounded

Definitely. I came here because I became tired of my friends and acquaintances' talking the RW rap sooo many times. One of friends had a picture on fb where Dems were compared to the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz (original). I said that the tin man "didn't have a heart" . No Response back...they are Always "preaching to the choir"

[bunnies]

43. I just wish they'd do their preaching away from my window...

if theyre going to be spewing that kind of crap. You wouldnt believe how loudly they were talking. No shame at all in what they were saying. Blatant racism and sexism. Gross.

Welcome to DU.

[refrescanos]

48. thanks for the welcome

How about listening to them preach when They are driving... scary....
So much hate and racism, I thought she was having some kind of nervous breakdown

[zbdent]

27. He's partly right about #3 ...

"No ones gonna tell me I cant be religious!"

Nope. No one will. Not even atheists.

We ain't gonna tell him he can't be religious ...

[bunnies]

28. He had actually raised his voice saying that.

Showing his outrage I guess. I didnt know whether to laugh or cry.

[reflection]

35. RW cousin of mine imported a bride from Ukraine.

She stuck around about 6 months and cleaned him right the f out. Took all the money and everything that wasn't bolted down one day when he was at work. I think "serves him right" would be a bit strong, but let's just say I wasn't too sympathetic when he was crying about it. I told him women were not objects to be purchased.

[bunnies]

38. Thats the theory that bunnies-mr & I have developed.

He claims to have met her in Germany and flew her back here. And he moved here from California not long ago, yet he just recently went back out there so his family could meet his wife. That trip was preceded by a screaming match of epic proportions which included her threatening not to go at all.

I dont think she'd ever been to this country until she came here to NH. Its clear that they hate each other and dont know each other very well. Shes constantly screaming about him not giving her enough money o support her lifestyle. We suppose he purchased her or had some sort of "arrangement". Shes also quite out-of-his league physically if you know what I mean.

I heard him saying (to neighbor guy) at the beginning of the conversation that he's going somewhere due to work (military) in a couple of weeks and while he's gone, shes going back to Russia. Personally, I think theres no way in hell she's coming back. She literally tells him she hates him and she hates being here. She wont be back. Yep. Sounds just like your cousin. Serves him right.

[reflection]

40. I swear, I could have written every word of what you did.

Even down to the "out of his league" part. She was an absolute knockout. And he... is not. And I say that as a man who has a face for radio. Do women who look like supermodels fall in love with ugly men? Sometimes, I suppose. But not that guy.

[bunnies]

42. Theres definitely no love here.

Not even mutual respect. And half the time she locks him out of the bedroom. We never, never hear them laughing or getting along at all. I cant imagine why anyone would want to live like that.

Asshole is super judgmental too. He came up here to drop of his plant before that california trip and we happened to be rearranging furniture so the house was a total mess. A month or so later I ran into him in the driveway and he proceeded to tell me that he couldnt understand how we could live like that. With "little pathways" going from room to room like hoarders. Fucking prick. He actually said that to my face.

He's leaving two days before she goes back to Russia so Im going to make sure to keep an eye out for how much she removes. I will lmao if she totally cleans out the apt. Couldnt happen to a nice guy.

Oh and lol... shes been here just over 7 months.

[Earth_First]

36. Quick! Mop the floors and scrub the toilet...

Open the window and discard of your used mop water.

[bunnies]

37. lol. Its funny you should say that...

I had a sudden urge to clean out the fish tank!

[RedCappedBandit]

44. Put any two RWNJ's together and I bet they'll have this same convo. nt

[bunnies]

45. Seems that way.

It was like they were running down a list of talking points. Gee, I can hardly wait until I get installment #2. Obamas a Muslim and other such crap.

[RedCappedBandit]

46. I'm sorry you have to put up with such nonsense

If I were you I probably would have had to open the window to vomit. Preferably directly on the RWNJ's, lol.

[bunnies]

47. lol.

It was about to not be pretty. Thats why I posted to DU. Figured you guys would save me from starting a shitstorm. DU to the rescue. This time.

They just got the one and only pass theyre going to get from me. If theyre talking where I can here them, theyre asking for it, imho.

[LondonReign2]

49. It sounds like you might be living above Lee Harvey Oswald

[bunnies]

50. omg.

Totally. Maybe sometimes they DO come back!

[Mbrow]

51. Tell me about it! I live in eastern Idaho I hear this every day.

[bunnies]

52. I feel for you.

I dont know how you do it. And welcome to DU.

[malokvale77]

54. Come to Texas...

if you think that's bad. I'm surrounded by that shit.

[Volaris]

57. Appropriate responses, point by point=)

1-Ummmm, the Government has Aircraft Carriers and Hellfire missiles. They don't NEED to horde the ammo you are going to be putting in your deer rifle.
2-As soon as Bush gets dragged in front of the Hague for the fuckin' War Crimes he committed. When that's finished and in the history books, THEN we can talk about what Obama has done right/wrong.
3-No, you THINK christians are being persecuted because Glen Beck told you it was so, and that happened because: A) you keep buying Glen's Books, B) Glen Becks idea of "separation of Church and State, is that the State does what the Church fucking wants. Thomas Jefferson disagreed.
4-Be prepared for what, exactly? The coming apocalyptic war you are going to have to participate in? And here all this time I thought you and all your friends in the Church were going to be Raptured away so you wouldn't have to face all that nonsense because your such good, noble, God-fearing, SAVED CHRIATIANS...which would indicate that you seem to be having second thoughts regarding your own state of Redemption-worthiness.....hrmmmm. Perhaps you're just figuring out what a truly un-Christian asshole you really are.
5-Only if (and only AFTER THE FACT) you use them to shoot people you're not supposed to be shooting at.
6-Then all three of you racist fucksticks could be standing trial for Murder. You could have the same lawyer and everything...it could be like a little Trial Club you guys could have for yourselves...
7-That's because the American Women you know have figured out that you aren't worth fucking. Give it time, the rest of them will figure it out eventually...
8-The dollar will NEVER collapse, because if it gets bad enough, Congress will figure out that all it has to do to PREVENT that from happening, is to raise your fucking Taxes. HOW NOW do you feel about being a Patriotic American?...Yeah, I didn't think so.
9-Well, if you shot a kid because you're a racist fuckpig, Yeah, I would think taking your guns away form you might be a good idea, too (see number 5)
10-Just laugh at them, say goodnight, and walk away.

[bunnies]

60. Seriously. That list is awesome.

I especially love #'s 4 & 7. And 8. No... I love them all. Thank you!

[Volaris]

61. Yeah man, don't take shit from these people, real Liberals FIGHT BACK...

I got a VERY conservative friend of mine to basically stop caring what "The Gays" did with themselves, because I argued with him until he came to understand that anything fitting the definition of an actual Christian God (Eternal, all-knowing, all-powerful, and ALL-LOVING) would NOT GIVE A SHIT.

The trick is to have a comprehensive and systemic understanding of the connection points of the Functional Universe, Constitutional Government, and Human Behavior. Understanding their God and their Faith and their Politics BETTER than they do, and keep shoving that Enlightenment into their heads (sometimes, as gently as you can), and eventually enough will come around that we can change the world. Also, I've found that a good way to start is to tell them "I'm an anti-corporatist (see LIBERAL) Republican, ala Teddy Roosevelt.." and when they look at you funny and ask what that means, start hammering them their own party history (Lincoln, Roosevelt, the sane halves of Nixon and Bush I...), the rise of the Corporate State, the idea that COLLECTIVE government is merely INDIVIDUAL initiative FREELY GRANTED to the purpose of large-scale goals, etc...

I've become convinced that the key is not to FEEL liberalism, you have to THINK IT THROUGH. "Feeling" things about political positions is what THEY do, and it's why GOP voter base gets led around by the nose by the likes of Rush and Beck, and why that party is as fucked up as it is.