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YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:41 PM Jul 2013

Hi all, I'm a member of the young generation. You know, "Generation Y/Millenials"....

I won't pretend that I can speak for a whole generation (who can?), but I will share some observations that I personally have about my generation (very generally).

We have grown up with more information and technology than we know what to do with. Social media, the Internet, smart phones-the list goes on. This has been a blessing in some ways, a problematic and complicating issue for a lot of people in other ways. It is a blessing, because we can connect with so many people and so many bits of information, far more and far quicker than previous generations could. However, I and many others do wonder what the long-term effects of information overload are on self-reflection, critical thinking, and on our brains in general.

As far as politics goes: while I do think it is accurate to say that on many so-called "social" or "cultural" issues, my generation is quite a bit more liberal on average, many of us also don't feel particularly emotionally attached to programs like Social Security or Medicare. I've noticed that many in my generation don't really seem to get the importance of those aforementioned programs, and why they are under assault by certain organized and corporate interests. Some do, though, don't get me wrong...

A big issue for many in my generation is student loan debt, which, as most of you know, has skyrocketed to astronomical levels. Many of us also are increasingly alienated from organized religion, a development that is connected with the Millienials' more open-minded views on gay marriage, marijuana, and other so-called "cultural" issues.

I think a lot of us are apathetic or cynical about possibilities for change, but a lot of us are idealistic and hopeful as well. Many in my generation are quite active in a lot of volunteer and service-oriented work and programs. Hands-on tasks for "doers," as it were. However, there are a fair number of people in my generation who are, to one extent or another, disengaged with politics and social movements, maybe a larger percentage than previous generations, but I'm not entirely sure, honestly.

Finally, my generation is very diverse in terms of demographics. Some of us come from single-parent families and some of us come from two-parent families. Some of us are from very rich families, some are from very poor families, and many come from middle-of-the-road families in terms of income and wealth. Some of us are white, some are black, a fast-growing number are Latino or Asian. A growing number of us are openly gay, or otherwise not heterosexual or hetero-normative. One other thing I would note is that we are a very urban generation, with many young people leaving rural areas and even suburbs to live (or attempt to live ) in major cities. The point is, we are such a large and diverse generation, that, in spite of the images of the mass media and social media, there really isn't a "typical" member of my generation, or any generation for that matter.

I don't think it's my place, or anyone else's for that matter, to blame previous generations for today's problems. There's enough blame to go around, but it's just so easy to play the blame game, yet a hell of a lot harder to find and implement workable solutions. It's not our fault that we grew up in this world, but at some point, we do have to accept responsibility for making the world a better place.

Thanks for reading my rambling.

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Hi all, I'm a member of the young generation. You know, "Generation Y/Millenials".... (Original Post) YoungDemCA Jul 2013 OP
The Internet sort of levels the playing field for all of us. randome Jul 2013 #1
I think you are right... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #21
FYI, lol! Sissyk Jul 2013 #43
Wow, that's...wow. randome Jul 2013 #44
You are welcome! Sissyk Jul 2013 #45
I figured you weren't! randome Jul 2013 #46
that was a great and readable ramble. I enjoyed it cali Jul 2013 #2
If you had to support your parents, you'd be attached to Social Security and Medicare. SharonAnn Jul 2013 #7
uh, are you addressing this to the right person? I haven't a clue as to why you'd post it to me. cali Jul 2013 #9
Wait a minute-- xfundy Jul 2013 #3
young folk like you give me hope Skittles Jul 2013 #4
+1 nt bunnies Jul 2013 #18
Aw, git off my lawn!!! kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #5
And no! You can't have your ball back! aristocles Jul 2013 #8
Excellent OP. Curmudgeoness Jul 2013 #6
Excellent, YoungDemCA... hwmnbn Jul 2013 #10
Gen X is happy to see how different your generation is. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #11
Except that they brought our crappy 80's clothes back. bunnies Jul 2013 #17
Hey, I STIll look good in that look! Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #29
lol! bunnies Jul 2013 #32
NO!!!! My Aqua Net! MY PRECIOUS! Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #33
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #12
Thanks, I completely admire the lack of predjudice in your generation flamingdem Jul 2013 #13
I'll make a deal with you mick063 Jul 2013 #14
I am from what I believe is called the silent generation (pre baby boomer). Cleita Jul 2013 #15
great post Cleita. dionysus Jul 2013 #19
Thanks. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #27
And I to am of that silent generation. zeemike Jul 2013 #36
awesome post n/t deafskeptic Jul 2013 #49
Nice! KoKo Jul 2013 #16
.... merrily Jul 2013 #20
I read the following quote Caretha Jul 2013 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #23
Your generation needs a major revolution against climate change or ........... ErikJ Jul 2013 #24
Your "middle income" isn't what mine was... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #25
great post marions ghost Jul 2013 #26
Wow, man. Groovy. Translation: I'm older. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #28
The more things change, they're they stay the same Gman Jul 2013 #30
all you kids, get off my lawn Baclava Jul 2013 #31
Thanks for this post - glad you're here! klook Jul 2013 #34
K&R ReRe Jul 2013 #35
it's natural for those just starting out not to understand the importance of SS and Meidcare. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #37
Well I do blame my generation. zeemike Jul 2013 #38
K&R liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #39
Gen X-er here -- they called us slackers in the 90s and blamed us anneboleyn Jul 2013 #40
We generally don't "get" the importance JoeyT Jul 2013 #41
I believe the marketing term I'm supposed to apply to myself is "Generation X" sibelian Jul 2013 #42
"there really isn't a "typical" member of my generation, or any generation for that matter." raccoon Jul 2013 #47
Thanks for the excellent read! bvar22 Jul 2013 #48
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. The Internet sort of levels the playing field for all of us.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:44 PM
Jul 2013

Enables every generation to be exposed to every other generation. So I'm thinking the 'generation walls' are not so important any longer.

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font]
[hr]

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
21. I think you are right...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:14 PM
Jul 2013

I started hanging out on the Badger and Blade forums, now I shave with a straight razor, use shaving soap and a brush to build my lather, and am even into fountain pens because of that place. It is a nifty place to find out kow to do a lot of different things the way our parents and grandparents did.

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
43. FYI, lol!
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:38 AM
Jul 2013

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randome

(34,845 posts)
44. Wow, that's...wow.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:02 AM
Jul 2013

Thanks for the heads-up!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
45. You are welcome!
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jul 2013

And, I WAS NOT the lone hide vote! lol!

I don't like posting results, but I just found that one eye-rolling in the extreme.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
46. I figured you weren't!
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jul 2013

But, what the hell, I'm adaptable. I shortened the height a little. Hopefully that won't cause any consternation.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. that was a great and readable ramble. I enjoyed it
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:47 PM
Jul 2013

I thought you made some excellent points- particularly about the importance of tech to your generation. I've talked about that pretty extensively with my 26 year old son.

I agree that your generation is liberal on social issues and, er, lacking when it comes to the importance of the social safety net- or social contract as I think it's more accurately called.

Student loan debt is crippling your generation and it's criminal. Just today they failed in the Senate to reach an agreement on interest rates.

You appear to have a generous soul and an inquisitive and open mind.

Belated welcome to DU.

It's nice to have you here

cali

SharonAnn

(14,176 posts)
7. If you had to support your parents, you'd be attached to Social Security and Medicare.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:18 PM
Jul 2013

Those are two programs that have allowed several generations to work, support their spouse and children, and build wealth. That's something that's often overlooked. Without Medicare and Social Security, you'd be expected to support your parents.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
9. uh, are you addressing this to the right person? I haven't a clue as to why you'd post it to me.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:21 PM
Jul 2013

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
3. Wait a minute--
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:56 PM
Jul 2013

You mean we can't blame everything on you? We hafta find someone to blame everything on, cuz my generation, just ahead of yours, can't accept blame for the way things are.

And get off my lawn!

Skittles

(171,916 posts)
4. young folk like you give me hope
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:02 PM
Jul 2013

yes INDEED

I have to say though, I am so grateful I got to live part of my life without stuff like Fox News, Walmart and social media - yes INDEED

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
6. Excellent OP.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:14 PM
Jul 2013

You are right when you describe your generation as very diverse. I could have said the same for my generation, from the late 60's/early 70's. You may have heard of it as the "hippie generation" or the "Vietnam War protest era". But I will tell you that most of the people of my generation were not involved in politics or protests or any of the things that we are famous for.

I am also concerned about student debt, because I can see the problems involved in the hole students are in, and these problems will dictate much of what you can and cannot do in life----at least for many early years. I fight for your rights, and I fight for my rights. One of the hardest things for any of us to do is to look beyond our own troubles and problems, and see other peoples' issues.

I know that your generation is not concerned about Social Security and Medicare, and that is because you have been brainwashed into believing that you will never benefit from it. But you will if you fight. And you do benefit from it when your parents do not have to come live with you when they are old. The benefit comes also in the freedom that parents and grandparents have to live a life that does not need your financial support. I wish that I could explain all the ways that it does help the young people too.

All generations have their special ideals and identities. But it is also the same for all generations. Most people will not be active in politics. Most people do not pay attention to anything outside of their sphere. Most people are not great thinkers. And sadly, most people will only worry about what affects them....and this is from every generation. But we can't give up....the followers need leaders.

Thanks for your ideas.

hwmnbn

(4,301 posts)
10. Excellent, YoungDemCA...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:23 PM
Jul 2013

Thanks for such a well stated post. You have wonderful communication skills and a great outlook. Please post some more.

flamingdem

(40,921 posts)
13. Thanks, I completely admire the lack of predjudice in your generation
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:43 PM
Jul 2013

compared to mine. That's such an advance and it gives me great hope.

Okay here comes the crabby part..

My gripe is the habit of staring at a cell phone all the time! And texting
constantly. To me this means that people around don't matter.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
14. I'll make a deal with you
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:48 PM
Jul 2013


I'll support affordable education. You support Social Security.

See how easy that works?

And another thing. I don't really need that education anymore, but there will come a day when you would really like to have that social security.

Something to think about.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
15. I am from what I believe is called the silent generation (pre baby boomer).
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:53 PM
Jul 2013

When I went to college we were so low tech that we used a slide rule instead of a hand calculator and our papers were pounded out on a manual typewriter in the college library that we had to rent. Otherwise there were no computers, just books, notebooks and that typewriter.

I'm appalled that free education was taken away from you. I was able to get a free college education. I didn't need a student loan at all just a part time job at minimum wage, which in my day was a living wage. You will understand the importance of Medicare and Social Security when your parents get old and you won't have to take care of them. You won't be able to that anyway with those usury student loans you have to pay off.

Anyway the same forces that took away your free education are working on taking away your health care access and old age safety nets of social security and medicare. It isn't any generation or any class of persons. It's the business interests (read Wall Street) that over the decades have convinced a significant segment of the population to vote against their very best interests with buying our politicians to keep changing the laws that make it easier and easier for them to take away all these social programs that benefit everyone so they could keep making ever bigger and bigger profits.

Here's hoping your generation sees through all the lies and can turn this around. There's hope.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
16. Nice!
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:56 PM
Jul 2013
's Sounds about right from what I hear from education folks who work with your generation.

What you say here rings true. It's our Mainstream Corporate Media and others with political agenda who want to throw folks into "Demographical Borders" and then suit their reporting to that.

What you say:

"I don't think it's my place, or anyone else's for that matter, to blame previous generations for today's problems. There's enough blame to go around, but it's just so easy to play the blame game, yet a hell of a lot harder to find and implement workable solutions. It's not our fault that we grew up in this world, but at some point, we do have to accept responsibility for making the world a better place."

It's always the "few" of a generation who speak out ...gain followers for change..who make that difference that colors a generation...but, yes... It's too simplistic to corral generations into boxes although large groups born in a certain time frame where there is technological, industrial or agricultural upheaval do stand out because of the challenges they face and the repercussions that reverberate across the world.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
20. ....
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:05 PM
Jul 2013
As far as politics goes: while I do think it is accurate to say that on many so-called "social" or "cultural" issues, my generation is quite a bit more liberal on average....


Quite a bit more liberal on average than whom?

many of us also don't feel particularly emotionally attached to programs like Social Security or Medicare.


Well, that's not at all liberal.

However, I don't think your comment should surprise anyone.

Since Clinton got elected, Democrats have become quite conservative fiscally and moderate on social issues, aka "center right" or DLC or New Democrat.

And Republicans certainly are not liberal socially or fiscally,

So, center right and right have been all your generation has known since birth.

That is considerably less liberal overall than the hippies, who are now in their sixties and seventies and who were/are liberal on both social issues and fiscal issues.

But, the times they are a-changing (again).

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
22. I read the following quote
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:17 PM
Jul 2013

awhile back. I'm not certain who to credit it to, but it resonates with me. I'm from the baby boomer generation, but your generation amazes me, and I too wonder what you and your generation are going to do with all the information & power you have.


" What they did not want you to ever find out is that your generation, the generation born between 1980-1995, actually out numbers the Baby Boomers. They knew that if you ever turned your eye towards political reform, you could change the world. They tried to keep you sated on vapid television shows and vapid music. They cut off your education and fed you brain candy. They took away your music and gave you top ten pop stations. They cut off your art and replaced it with endless reality shows for you to plug into, hoping you would sit quietly by as they ran the world. We as a society are only as strong as our weakest link. Give 'em hell kids."

PS: Please wake up and take back our planet, our home and live without fear.

Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
24. Your generation needs a major revolution against climate change or ...........
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:27 PM
Jul 2013

things are going to get very ugly for you in your lifetime.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
25. Your "middle income" isn't what mine was...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jul 2013

For yours, it means two (or three) incomes from both parents and being able to pay the bills.

For mine it was one income with at least a year's salary in a savings account and family vacations to places like Disneyland when you lived in a place like Ohio.

You didn't even have to be overly bright to earn enough for that kind of life.

Want proof?

Talk to anyone now retired who votes Republican.

They believe a job as a stock boy at the hardware store will pay enough to buy a house.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
26. great post
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:35 PM
Jul 2013


Good idea not to get into the blame game re. generations. We are all up against forces that would divide us. Best to stick together with those of like mind, no matter what age.

I hope the Millennials take this NSA data mining of private data as something to pay attention to. It could affect your generation in ways you may not even imagine yet. Take it seriously.

I also hope the Millennials will not accept the continued ravaging of the planet & environment. You see those issues clearly. But you will have to act on it.

I do sense that the Millennials are "somewhat disengaged" from politics. But what I learned (the hard way) is that if you don't pay attention to politics, you will be bulldozed by the people who are paying attention. Do not accept an abusive or exploitative government without a fight. You have a right to trust that the government works for you. At this point that trust is broken. We need you to help us Boomers & GenX work to fix it. Keep believing that it can be fixed.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
28. Wow, man. Groovy. Translation: I'm older.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:51 PM
Jul 2013

I understood the importance of SS when I was much younger, but I never gave a thought to Medicare. I was young and healthy and would of course live forever! I could get high and accidentally drive the wrong way down a street, and think how funny that was, instead of recognizing the danger.

Now I'm in my 50's. I'm still healthy but know that I will be sick one day, like everyone else. I pay a lot of bills, so I know what one serious illness would do to me financially. I also see that in the future I won't have the ability to make money like a young person (who hires old people for jobs?).

I've had friends get sick and get into financial trouble, lose jobs and insurance. When you see it, you understand that it could happen to you. You're too young for that experience, I guess. But no worries....you will get older and experience the same things we older people have.

It's hard for me to feel the same pain about student loans that young people do, but I can. I have to reach back into my memories, but when I do, I can understand.

With age, your ability to relate to other generations does seem to increase a bit, since you lived through that generation.

(There are other things that the younger generation is experiencing now that I don't relate to, because it was so different when I was young....I don't have those experiences in my memory bank.)

Gman

(24,780 posts)
30. The more things change, they're they stay the same
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:24 PM
Jul 2013

Your description of your generation is really unlike previous modern generations. The notable exception being the use of technology. But we still communicated in less high tech ways like passing notes in class instead of texting. But what you have is far superior.

Still, there were those of us that were socially conscience and not. My generation was diverse too but not nearly as tolerant, at least in my slice of the world.

Your generation has a lot going for it right now, mainly your youth. I pray your generation can find its way to be the force that changes the direction this country is going. I won't be around to see the end product but I have faith things will change for the better. I hope it doesn't have to fall to your kids or grand kids to try.

klook

(13,608 posts)
34. Thanks for this post - glad you're here!
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:42 PM
Jul 2013

Your generation isn't so different from mine -- although I'm probably close to 3 decades older than you.

I agree strongly with your perspective. I hate monolithic characterizations of any group. The truth is always far stranger and more interesting than the professional stereotypists would have us believe.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
37. it's natural for those just starting out not to understand the importance of SS and Meidcare.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:00 AM
Jul 2013

Your brains are wired to think about today. All young people's brains are wired that way. My husband and I didn't start a retirement fund until we were in our early thirties. I will say this. One of the best decisions my husband ever made was to invest in long term disability insurance. He even purchased additional insurance on top of what his employer was offering. He lost a lot of vision and is now considered a retired employee by his former employee. The long term disability replaces most of what he was earning and some of it is even non taxable. It is also completely understandable that school loan debt is the foremost thing on your mind. That is what my daughter is worried about also. I have to tell you as a parent of a Mellinnial I admire the fact that your generation are such free thinkers. The hesitation and resistance your generation feels to being blindly loyal and obedient to authority is a good thing. It is this type of thinking that does lead to change. As someone in their thirties I do feel responsiblity for the mess we are handing over to your generation. I do apologize. The really smart ones saw what was coming, but most did not. The rich have degraded our social contract. The promise of getting equal access to a good, affordable education, equal access to fair wage jobs that you can raise a family on, the promise that after you worked your whole life your company and your government would make sure you could retire and go to the doctor when you got too old to work. All of these promises have been stolen by the rich and powerful, and for that I am so sorry. Older generations are willing to join your generation in fighting to get some of these promises back. I hope you will be ready for the fight as well.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
38. Well I do blame my generation.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:05 AM
Jul 2013

It is true some of us fought it but we lost to the greedy ones...and I won't try to tell you we didn't.
And we owe your generation an apology. No generation should leave it's children in worse shape than they were in...and we clearly have done that.

anneboleyn

(5,626 posts)
40. Gen X-er here -- they called us slackers in the 90s and blamed us
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:23 AM
Jul 2013

for all sorts of problems that were happening then (we were the technology obsessed, materialistic, slacker generation and so on) so I know how you feel Gen-Y friend.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
41. We generally don't "get" the importance
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:30 AM
Jul 2013

of Social Security and Medicare because we know they aren't going to be there for us. I'm using the royal "we" not me personally. I get why they're important, but I still don't think they'll be around when or if I get there.

To us all they are is something we can pay into all our lives that we'll never be a part of. This is why fucking with Social Security and Medicare is a terrible idea. If you keep shifting the ages upward, eventually the younger generation will stop caring because they know they won't live to see it.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
42. I believe the marketing term I'm supposed to apply to myself is "Generation X"
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:39 AM
Jul 2013

... and have been mostly unimpressed with the attempts to characterise me according to that term. "How very generation X of you!" quips the occasional comedian, upon discovering my disinterest in yet another "star sign" I'm supposed to be under. I remain unimpressed.

You're right. People can't really be characterised according to their generation.

raccoon

(32,403 posts)
47. "there really isn't a "typical" member of my generation, or any generation for that matter."
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jul 2013

This Boomer thanks you. The idiot media portrays Boomers as having it so wonderful and so easy when they were kids.

Not all of them! And then parents/caregivers could beat, sexually abuse kids, etc., and most likely, never be held accountable for it.


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
48. Thanks for the excellent read!
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jul 2013

Well thought out and well composed.

I don't want to sound like an Old Fogey, but I would like to point out that the Student Loan disaster is part of a much BIGGER systemic problem in the USA.

My parents were members of the Greatest Generation.
They grew up in the Depression. My fathers, Grandfathers, Uncles, and Great Uncles shed BLOOD fighting for the rights of the Working Class to a better life. They fought and won WW2.
Under FDR's New Deal, [font size=3]they were able to give to evberybody
the wealthiest, largest, and most upwardly mobile Working Class the World has ever seen.[/font]


In the 50s and 60s, a single, non college educated, Blue Collar Worker could:

*could find and keep a GOOD job with benefits and job security

*could raise a family in relative comfort with ONE person working a single Full Time job

*could provide good health care to his family

*could BUY and Pay Off a comfortable home in the suburbs

*buy a NEW American made car every couple of years

*could take a REAL traveling vacation every year

*could provide education and good clothes to the children

*could save enough to retire in relative comfort

There were the lingering problems of Race & Gender discrimination,
but the Democratic Party was making great advances in making the above possible for everyone.

In the 60s and 70s, it was possible for anyone to attend the State University and graduate DEBT FREE if willing to work a part Time job.


I benefited from all of the above, and I am grateful.
The reason I am posting this is not to gloat,
but to point out that ALL of the above were possible because of the LABOR Movement,
and the New Deal of President Franklin Roosevelt.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established [font size=3]for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.[/font]

Among these are:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

*The right of every family to a decent home;

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

*The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.---FDR, SOTU, 1944

Please note that Democratic President Roosevelt specified the above as Basic Human Rights,
and NOT as commodities to be SOLD to Americans by For Profit Corporations.

There was a time in MY life when voting FOR The Democrat was voting FOR the above Basic Human Rights. Sadly this is no longer true,
and the results are, in ONE respect, the crushing Student Loans that you and your generation are having to battle.

It breaks my heart to see an entire generation turned into Wage Slaves loaded down with massive debt at a time that should be the Most Free and Unburdened years of your entire life.
That is not something that just happened.
It is a part of something that was Deliberately Done to You by some of the greediest and most cold hearted bastards the World has ever seen.

Again, I don't want to preach, but I feel that the History of America's Working Class
and the tremendous gifts of The New Deal are being deliberately erased from the History Books and from the Living Memory.

It certainly doesn't get mentioned by the Democratic Party Leadership anymore,
so it is Up to You and Yours to embrace this history and THOSE values that made the American Dream possible.

THAT hasn't been just accidentally "lost".
It has been deliberately STOLEN from YOU steadily over the last 30 years.
It IS Your American Birth Right,
but it is up to you to demand it back from those greedy and craven bastards that have stolen it.

Good Luck you YOU and your generation.
"They" won't let go without a fight.


[font color=firebrick size=3][center]"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."

--- Paul Wellstone[/font]
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Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
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[font size=5 color=firebrick]Solidarity![/font]




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