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Hey... Lurkers, Ex- DUers, And Anybody Else... (Original Post) WillyT Jul 2013 OP
What did I miss? OrwellwasRight Jul 2013 #1
It ain't what it used to be, (but I'm in for the duration). 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #2
Me Too !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #3
Hell, between the two of us we have 22 years invested. Damned right we'll stick around! 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #12
33 count me in... nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #17
I'll make it 45!!! Skittles Jul 2013 #36
Ah, I got ya both beat. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #46
Me too neverforget Jul 2013 #76
And as do I. RC Jul 2013 #80
But ... as you said earlier this week ... Trajan Jul 2013 #4
Shit--I can't AFFORD to abandon it! pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #5
Yes! Now THAT is a scary prospect! FailureToCommunicate Jul 2013 #23
But I can't afford to self-deport overseas, either pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #24
No! What post???? Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #45
here: bunnies Jul 2013 #50
Oh shit! Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #51
awww. bunnies Jul 2013 #52
If they closed this site down Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #54
lol!! bunnies Jul 2013 #56
Wow, that was your 47,000th post Blackford Jul 2013 #6
What's Worse... I Didn't Even Realize That... WillyT Jul 2013 #8
maybe the bullies are finally in retreat carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #7
So my feelings of not wanting to read most of the recent threads has some company. Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #15
Oh, that happens all the time at a site the size of DU. delrem Jul 2013 #42
Now. Like this: silvershadow Jul 2013 #9
Why have I never seen that before? ;-) ReRe Jul 2013 #26
We have some dreamers, too. longship Jul 2013 #10
DU Rec Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #11
k & r Just Saying Jul 2013 #13
I take breaks from DU once in a while ... LisaLynne Jul 2013 #14
Hey WillyT! tnlefty Jul 2013 #16
Damn, I remember the days when my pseudonym was like a lightning rod for trolls.. Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #18
Why did you choose such a pseudonym? delrem Jul 2013 #40
I've taken long breaks from the site and it has changed Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #19
PW, Spot on! Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #31
The schism between Liberals/Progressives and Centrist/Corporatist’s is growing and UserNSAv32 Jul 2013 #87
You guys have a "random malaise generator" that stitches together these clauses? Kolesar Jul 2013 #89
Definitely not leaving. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #20
That was the finest sentiment. delrem Jul 2013 #43
I'm still here Tree-Hugger Jul 2013 #21
The same is true for me elizfeelinggreat Jul 2013 #60
And here also ...... oldhippie Jul 2013 #63
Me too fadedrose Jul 2013 #77
Happy 47K Willy! pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #22
I also am primarily a lurker tiredtoo Jul 2013 #25
It's easier to stay when I see trolls kicked to the curb. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #27
+1000000 Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #33
and so muuch of it so recently....n/t Sheepshank Jul 2013 #70
Interesting that I can't tell which group you think is the "thinly disguised Rethugs" Fumesucker Jul 2013 #47
Far more interesting to me that you could play so dumb when I know you aren't. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #65
Hate Mailbag late entry? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #49
Let's see now.... IrishAyes Jul 2013 #66
What? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #69
If I misunderstood your intent, IrishAyes Jul 2013 #72
I joined earlier this year but 2naSalit Jul 2013 #28
Well... Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #34
Thanks, Rebellious 2naSalit Jul 2013 #74
Your welcome, stick around it can be very entertaining around here! N/T Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #90
I'm not going anywhere, unless... ReRe Jul 2013 #29
... LuvLoogie Jul 2013 #30
I'm more worried that DU will reject me. delrem Jul 2013 #32
See this reply if it helps? Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #35
Yep there's a fine line between critic/disruptor marions ghost Jul 2013 #64
heheheh! delrem Jul 2013 #83
Before the 2008 election I participated in a Dem. blog/discussion site that No Vested Interest Jul 2013 #37
This site lost a lot of real Dems over Riftaxe Jul 2013 #38
If you're a real HRC supporter, IrishAyes Jul 2013 #67
I lurk. Never post tigervalentine Jul 2013 #39
If you started posting more you'd probably understand the pissing matches better Fumesucker Jul 2013 #48
Does that mean IrishAyes Jul 2013 #68
Did you look at my link? Fumesucker Jul 2013 #73
Most people listen and respond a lot better IrishAyes Jul 2013 #75
It takes at least two to engage in that sort of behavior Fumesucker Jul 2013 #78
True. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #81
Still around, no plans to leave, but I jump out of the endless "Did Not . . .Did So" threads quickly NBachers Jul 2013 #41
after 12 years, lets say I'm alot less emotionally engaged than I used to be. KG Jul 2013 #44
I still say WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #53
Says the perenially favorite target of the time travelling trolls Generic Other Jul 2013 #79
Joined in Sept 2001 Chico Man Jul 2013 #55
As long as DU exists, I'll be around clyrc Jul 2013 #57
lurker here bcbink Jul 2013 #58
There is an awful lot of effort put forth... 99Forever Jul 2013 #59
I find it amazing that the you must vote for Hillary threads have already started. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #84
Back when I was a lad, we were taught to deal with bullies. riqster Jul 2013 #61
Well, the most recent group to declare that they were MineralMan Jul 2013 #62
You said that so much more concisely than I would have been able to Sheepshank Jul 2013 #71
I'm not yet gone, brush Jul 2013 #82
meh bobduca Jul 2013 #85
This site, and the democratic party, abandoned me. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #86
I know EXACTLY what you mean.... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #88

11 Bravo

(24,305 posts)
12. Hell, between the two of us we have 22 years invested. Damned right we'll stick around!
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:41 PM
Jul 2013
 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
4. But ... as you said earlier this week ...
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:23 PM
Jul 2013

I am the reason everything is getting so bad ...

It's my fault ...

Wouldn't you benefit from my exit, as lowly as I am?

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
50. here:
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:49 AM
Jul 2013

From the hate mailbag:


THE FEE FOR CANCELING YOUR ACCOUNT IS ONE MILLION DOLLARS

Subject: CANCEL

CANCEL MY ACCOUNT PLEASE , I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A FEE INVOLVED THANK YOU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023225969

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
51. Oh shit!
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:52 AM
Jul 2013
In my mind and in about 3 seconds I concocted the possibility that EarlG posted a thread that said they weren't making enough money and that DU was in danger of closing down. I have an active imagination.
 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
52. awww.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:55 AM
Jul 2013

It only shows how much you care about DU. If this site went down, I think most of us would be lost. Aint never gonna happen.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
7. maybe the bullies are finally in retreat
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:24 PM
Jul 2013

but thousands, or tens of thousands already abandoned the site to get away from them

Maraya1969

(23,489 posts)
15. So my feelings of not wanting to read most of the recent threads has some company.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:55 PM
Jul 2013

It has been lonely here lately.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
42. Oh, that happens all the time at a site the size of DU.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:40 AM
Jul 2013

There're tens and hundreds of thousands more contributing and listening in.

ReRe

(12,188 posts)
26. Why have I never seen that before? ;-)
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:21 AM
Jul 2013

That was darling. Joyous, as a matter of fact. Thanks!

longship

(40,416 posts)
10. We have some dreamers, too.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:28 PM
Jul 2013

I don't always agree with their dreams, but I always try to be polite with them.

We need dreams, too. And those who dream big.

Glad to R&

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
18. Damn, I remember the days when my pseudonym was like a lightning rod for trolls..
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:18 PM
Jul 2013

not so much anymore. But glad I could be a part of something so good all these years.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
40. Why did you choose such a pseudonym?
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:31 AM
Jul 2013

Why do you "put it out there" like that?

I'm the opposite of a "rebellious republican".
Nothing, not even a smidgen of a thing, attracts me to the US Republican Party, so I can't imagine what it would be to be a "rebellious" one.

There is something quite sick about the US Republican Party, whether its members call them "rebellious" or not.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
19. I've taken long breaks from the site and it has changed
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:20 PM
Jul 2013

But there are a lot of reasons for that. The first 8 years of it's existence, DU was a tremendous well spring of ideas from the opposition. For the past 4.5 years, DU has had to figure out how to be the same collection of concerned centrist Democrats and progressive activists dealing with being the party in the White House. And I think the trolls have increased and become more sophisticated.

Whatever the case, I think the team or group or coalition is slowly figuring out how to operate in that reality.

This is still a GREAT site with wealth of information and vital diversity of ideas and points of view. That's what makes the Democratic Party so strong.

 

UserNSAv32

(54 posts)
87. The schism between Liberals/Progressives and Centrist/Corporatist’s is growing and
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:36 AM
Jul 2013

growing rapidly.

I have been lurking for about month or so and I quickly picked up on it here so if I can others are seeing it too.

What is the Democratic Party becoming now? A Party that believes in supporting individuals or a Party that supports corporatism as it has rapidly become in the last few years?

If the party decides to continue down the corporatist path they will lose me and I am sure millions of others who do not believe in corporatism either.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
89. You guys have a "random malaise generator" that stitches together these clauses?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:01 AM
Jul 2013

What was growing, again?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
20. Definitely not leaving.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:38 PM
Jul 2013

News has been really depressing and divisive recently, but that is not the fault of DUers, and I understand the feelings of people who disagree with me on some things like the surveillance.

But hurt feelings can be a better alternative than gradually relinquishing your fundamental rights.

Tree-Hugger

(3,379 posts)
21. I'm still here
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:42 PM
Jul 2013

I lurk more than I post. DU has been a bit distressing over the last few weeks with the divisiveness. I find myself skipping a large chunk of posts. Still, I check the site and read posts at least once a day. No plans to stop.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
63. And here also ......
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:32 AM
Jul 2013

Get up, fire up the computer, make coffee, log in to DU and get the news. Been doing that for years.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
25. I also am primarily a lurker
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:17 AM
Jul 2013

Do come here for advice which i have always found to be excellent. so thank you for answering my questions. A board like this is supposed to have different views otherwise why have the board at all ? The trolls are easy to spot and actually should just be ignored for best results.
Still like the board and can handle just about anything posted here agree or disagree. Some here are total Obama loyalists and are offended if one says something anti-Obama. Some feel they were let down by Obama and express their feelings here. Both will have good and bad points. It is up to us to glean the value from each post and use it for what we feel will help us in our efforts.
Getting sleepy now and will stop now.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
27. It's easier to stay when I see trolls kicked to the curb.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:22 AM
Jul 2013

Skinner, much of this website is being overrun with thinly disguised Rethugs and their minions. If they're allowed to continue the present level of vitriol and personal attacks like mad dog bullies, it will eventually ruin the place. Unopposed flamers are only out to destroy, not build, and don't really deserve a place at the table - especially one supposedly (??) dedicated to the Democratic Party. They act like American Taliban. If I wanted to wade through so much mental porn, I'd go listen to Pig Boy.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
47. Interesting that I can't tell which group you think is the "thinly disguised Rethugs"
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:14 AM
Jul 2013

This post brought to you by the numbers 80 and 20.



IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
65. Far more interesting to me that you could play so dumb when I know you aren't.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:49 AM
Jul 2013

What's in those fumes you've been sucking? Might not be good for you.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
66. Let's see now....
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:57 AM
Jul 2013

When rabid posters bite, 'they're' being noble and brave. When the object of their unwanted attention bites back, it's hate. Did I get that right?

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
72. If I misunderstood your intent,
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:59 PM
Jul 2013

Please accept my humblest apology and thanks for your reply above.

2naSalit

(102,361 posts)
28. I joined earlier this year but
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:30 AM
Jul 2013

felt unwelcome when posting for the most part after a couple weeks. I read more than speak up, I'm kind of a recluse and not sure how to handle an international (sometimes) conversation.

That being said, I first encountered this site in the very early 1990s and didn't even know you were all here until this past year... but I like all the variety of topics, when the rest of the world seems fully consumed by the GeoZimmermanShow or whatever... and I like that I can find out what's happening almost anywhere much faster than most other sources I know of. That's what I like most about DU and what prompted me to join... haven't logged in much lately because I would rather not join in much of the recent conversations or be tempted to.

This place is kind of cool overall though so I guess I'll stick around... as long as i don't become a subject of the Hate Mailbag! And I liked the Hate Mailbag!

I hope a more pleasant general tone prevails.



 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
34. Well...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:10 AM
Jul 2013

I came to this site as a registered republican and was welcomed. Yes there were some flames by trolls, For the most part I was made to feel welcome by many. Those I will never forget, they schooled me in the ways of DU etiquette. I am forever grateful for those people.

Today it seems that there is much more going on here because of the fact that DU has become a force to be reckoned with. DU is now quoted on national media. The days here are different from when I came here, do not despair and realize that despite attacks that you perceive, you have found a home. The best advice is that I would suggest that you develop a thick skin, because you are new here.

You are going to be attacked to try and drive you away from this site, simply put the trolls know that you are going to be easily discouraged.

Just trust me, there are many people here that are of like mind. I have been tested by both on the right and the left. I have never been tomb stoned on this site. I speak openly and honestly, I refuse to get into flame wars. I promote freethinking and accept any criticism. I mull it over and try to decide if it provocation or just a pro from the opposition.

This is a very intellectual site, with multitudes of freethinkers. Just keep lurking and watch and see what you think. DU is under attack, admin is still trying to figure it out. Believe me, I am probably on the top of the watch list despite my longevity and upbeat posts. Go figure with a handle like Rebellious Republican.

I will not be driven away and will continue to post regardless of the flames that come my way! Welcome to our world 2naSalit

2naSalit

(102,361 posts)
74. Thanks, Rebellious
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:41 PM
Jul 2013

Your words are encouraging. I do tend to avoid the pissing matches even though I got suckered into a couple at first.

I do like seeing how others interpret events in our world...

ReRe

(12,188 posts)
29. I'm not going anywhere, unless...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:30 AM
Jul 2013

K&R

... y'all kick my butt out. Happy 47,001 WillyT!

delrem

(9,688 posts)
32. I'm more worried that DU will reject me.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:43 AM
Jul 2013

The biggest problem I have contributing to DU is finding the correct line between disruptor/critic.
That is sometimes difficult, as I told a "DU host" who banned me from his group after 1, that is *one* fairly innocuous post. Or perhaps it was 2 - no more.

When I don't see open criticism I see a field of turnips.
"Under Colonel Korn's rule, the only people permitted to ask questions were those who never did. Soon the only people attending were those who never asked questions, and the sessions were discontinued altogether, since Clevinger, the corporal and Colonel Korn agreed that it was neither possible nor necessary to educate people who never questioned anything."

That was yesterday. Perhaps some contributors/mods/hosts of DU are batting down the hatches causing *them* difficulty understanding the distinction disruptor/critic?

In any event I'm attracted to DU just because it hosts both informal and/or critical discussions between some of the very best. I'm glued to many DU discussions just because this first year of Obama's 2nd term is so important to understand. To be fair I should "spread the responsibility" to all the proper actors, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the senate/congressional dems equally.


marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
64. Yep there's a fine line between critic/disruptor
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:32 AM
Jul 2013

...but most of the people here can tell the difference.

Just remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2bbvA_OuJEg

Don't try to sell an obsolete product! Master your training objectives. Stay alert and aware. Breathe, relax, meditate and Face The Truth

delrem

(9,688 posts)
83. heheheh!
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:50 AM
Jul 2013

Thank you!
Yes, people can usually tell the difference.

maybe I just got paranoid there for a moment, wondering what the fuck is happening politically in NATO.

No Vested Interest

(5,297 posts)
37. Before the 2008 election I participated in a Dem. blog/discussion site that
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:04 AM
Jul 2013

fell apart over the Obama/Hillary primaries.
It didn't fall apart immediately, but slowly and very painfully over a long period of time.
I wasn't a part of the goings-on, but found the antagonisms a distraction and silly.
Eventually there were no new postings for over a week, and then a month.

Right now, I can't even remember the name of the site.
I'm fairly new, compared to the multi-year members, but I'll stay for the info and discussions as long as there's enough new material to keep it interesting.
Hope that's a long, long time.
I must confess that I like the ignore function for some of the more egregious offenders, though.

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
38. This site lost a lot of real Dems over
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:13 AM
Jul 2013

what for many could be considered sheer whim (if you're a forgiving sort).

Strangely enough this occurs during our primaries every 2 and 4 years...

Hillary 2016! <hell, my star status is almost up anyways>.

tigervalentine

(137 posts)
39. I lurk. Never post
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:17 AM
Jul 2013

Can't stand the pissing matches that take over many of the threads.

All meaning is lost as posters fight with each other.

Boring.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
68. Does that mean
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:14 AM
Jul 2013

that pissing matches promote the intellect? I thought it was more a sign of immature territory marking.

(heehee) It looks like you and I might be warming up for one. However, I have this fine super soaker water rifle that only shoots 20'. I use it to chase off free range dogs that run my fence line and stir up my own 2 barkers. Don't think it's possible to hook it up to the internet though. And it only shoots H20. So maybe I'd better quit while I can still imagine I'm ahead. Why all of a sudden I'm not mad at you anymore for the moment at least mystifies me. Maybe it's the delightful memory of chastising a loose pit bull last night with nothing more than a water gun.

Where did my aggravation go? Did you take it?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
73. Did you look at my link?
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:10 PM
Jul 2013

It's about a friend of mine who reads a lot of forums but never ever posts.

Easy to believe you have it all figured out if you're never challenged on what you think.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
75. Most people listen and respond a lot better
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jul 2013

When they're approached in a friendlier manner. These pissing contests many posters are so fond of are coounterproductive to their cause. That's not challenging, it's baiting. Big difference. We could all use a little more kindness, at times myself included.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
78. It takes at least two to engage in that sort of behavior
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:56 PM
Jul 2013

If you are a frequent poster and at all opinionated it's hard to avoid the occasional negative back and forth.

There are a lot of people here who will say amazingly stupid stuff and not back down when they are challenged on it, even done it myself a time or two when I was in that sort of mood.

Suffering fools gladly is a talent that's not exactly ubiquitous among humans.




NBachers

(19,413 posts)
41. Still around, no plans to leave, but I jump out of the endless "Did Not . . .Did So" threads quickly
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:33 AM
Jul 2013
 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
53. I still say
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:55 AM
Jul 2013

that the divisiveness and fighting going on here right now pales in comparison to the Nader Wars in the early days of this site, and to the 2004 primary wars, the scars from which are still fresh for many almost 10 years later.

I took a long break after the Marathon bombing because I was going to get myself banned if I read one more tinfoil hat theory, and it was very worthwhile.

Take a break, don't leave.

Generic Other

(29,080 posts)
79. Says the perenially favorite target of the time travelling trolls
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:02 PM
Jul 2013

They have been hammering you from the start.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
55. Joined in Sept 2001
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:05 AM
Jul 2013

No plans on leaving, although it does seem I'm regularly attacked and have, on several occasions, been accused of being a right wing troll, planted on the site in 2001 in grand Trojan horse style!

Thankfully have not been banned.

Some of the stuff I see on here is laughable - that being said , still the best place to learn about current events (as long as you stay away from the kool aid!!!)

clyrc

(2,299 posts)
57. As long as DU exists, I'll be around
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:14 AM
Jul 2013

Most likely lurking, but signing on every once in a while. In the 12 years I've been here, I've taken several breaks, but I never could leave all together. DU is still the best place to find the good stuff.

bcbink

(120 posts)
58. lurker here
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:15 AM
Jul 2013

I have been lurking here since the Gore election. I have learned so much, and grown so much that it is more than worth the chilled air temps of the present.
Thank you to ALL of DU for the education. I even finally became a member.
Rare occasion of posting.
Sometimes (often lately) it seems credentials needed to post here.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
59. There is an awful lot of effort put forth...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:25 AM
Jul 2013

.. to try and silence legitimate dissent here. Where one stands on this, largely depends on whether policy or blind partisan loyalty is what drives a person. I choose policy, every time.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
84. I find it amazing that the you must vote for Hillary threads have already started.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:58 AM
Jul 2013

They are going to censor us pretty heavily once the election season starts next year. I will not stop posting here but I will probably explore other websites that I can truly express my opinion on. Besides it may be easier to organize and help local candadites on other websites anyway. But if DU thinks they are getting rid of me they are wrong. I will hold my tongue when I have to. They will not stop me from voting for whomever I believe the best liberal candadite is.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
61. Back when I was a lad, we were taught to deal with bullies.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:34 AM
Jul 2013

Basically by not backing down and hitting back if a bully hits you first. I know, that isn't what kids are taught now.

Since this is an online forum, I usually don't hit back as often these days: but I still take no shit from bullies.

My absences are usually because of offline activism, family or health. But leaving because of an infestation of assholes? MIT happening.

Thank the gods for DU.

MineralMan

(151,159 posts)
62. Well, the most recent group to declare that they were
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:14 AM
Jul 2013

leaving DU are mostly people who disagree with your positions. How about them, WillyT?

Is your call inclusive, or do you just want people who agree with you to stick around or come back.

As for myself, I will not be going anywhere.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
71. You said that so much more concisely than I would have been able to
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:13 PM
Jul 2013

formenting bad will and dissent and then calling for a kumbaya finale. Sort of makes me laugh.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
82. I'm not yet gone,
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jul 2013

but all these zimmerman supporters are almost intolerable.

All the vitriolic posts targeting Martin and making him out to be a threatening thug, while swallowing zimmerman's version of things hook line and sinker are really surprising and shocking to me (the same zimmerman who has been caught in so many lies, even to a judge in court.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
86. This site, and the democratic party, abandoned me.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:58 AM
Jul 2013

The main characteristic visible on DU is denial. It is a denial unbreachable by fact or lists of facts; it is a determination to hold on to a consensus reality where nothing is wrong because the alternative is far too unpleasant. Some understand that Something Is Indeed Wrong and do not have the capacity to deal with it so they hide and smile, hoping it will eventually change for the better on its own. Some forcefully reject the facts because they conflict with a need for a recognizable structure upon which to cling. There is no offering to them an alternate vision of reality or even an improved version of the democratic party. They gleefully fight anyone who dares challenge their denial and celebrate when they "win" against it.

If this in general is the best that Underground democrats have to offer, I want nothing to do with it. I am jaw-droppingly ashamed to look at too much of what I see posted here. There is little to no room for even the possibility of change in spite of continuous splashes in the face of the coldest waters of reality. I am tempted to post a list but those who already know, already know. It is useless. This ship cannot be turned; the corporate-corrupted party will, like the even more corporate-owned republican party, continue to install corporate and neocon interests as we increasingly quickly descend from a surveillance state into a police state, all care of the neocons, plutonomists, and the Bush disaster family. And the democrats-in-name-only who do their exact bidding.

It is embarrassing to hang around in a place where people are making a huge, highly visible effort to tell themselves and others that nothing is wrong, and that anyone who says "look" is branded as alex jones, a teabagger, a freeper, or libertarian. To forcefully challenge actual, verifiable facts. That this even occurs is horrible. The purposeful closing of minds is horrible and bodes great misery for the future as those working to make the future miserable at the upper political levels, continue on their merry way, effectively unchallenged.

And those who mock Chomsky while doing exactly what he warns against...!!!!

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate." ~Noam Chomsky


Really DU? Really America?

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
88. I know EXACTLY what you mean....
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:11 AM
Jul 2013

For the last month it's been Snowden vs Obama. Hero vs anti-Hero.

And all the while the preparations for a massive Middle East civil war proceed apace. Russia and China have been turned back from trading partners to enemies.

Probably the biggest exercise in misdirection in recent memory.

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