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2013-07-12T3:35:44+00:00

I've been excoriated by many, even supposed progressives, for my position on reparations for African Americans. Without going into details of every justified grievance brought out, the bottom line is that the GOP is 100% responsible for the entrenchment and permanence of racist segregation in the U.S. To put it succinctly: EVERY white person owes EVERY African Amercan. There is no deviation, no exception, no nuance. Period. Therefore, what is the correct reparations? We've talked about constitutionalizing a permanent government solution that would transfer the tax money of ALL Americans to generic, non-individual-centric sources, such as programs to help predominantly African Americans out with schools, medical, food...whatever. But the programs are not directed FROM predominantly white individuals TO predominantly African American individuals. It is sheer lunacy to expect African Americans to pay one red penny in reparations for the republican atrocities done to their very ancestors. So now we have a basis of understand the liability. The question, how much money controlled by white individuals are due African American individuals? Answer. EVERY DAMN CENT!! Now, many of you are scoffing. But the point is that slaves have been propping up the American economy since 200 hundred years before the country was founded, and accelerated almost 100 full years after the country was founded, with both interest as WELL as the entire bulk of seed money for major corporations like US Steel and Standard Oil, the amount of money produced by slave labor that was 100% stolen by their white masters would EASILY overwhelm the current economy. Obviously while it would be perfectly fair, whites owe everything in their pockets to African Americans, and frankly, I will always carry around the guilt for the rest of my life for what the GOP perpetuated against traumatized African Americans. To that end, from the standpoint of myself as a white man, whom I believe everything in my pocket, the roof over my head, and even the clothes on my back are criminal booty stolen from the backs and the blood of African Americans, I have to negotiate what we owe. My solution: A PERMANENT, never-ending transfer of wealth from whites to African Americans using the IRS forms. Since all aspects of our financial lives, our health, our jobs, our communications vis a vis NSA-IRS comprehensive information sharing, etc, we can easily add another racial category, and automatically deduct a fair percentage of our income; while African Americans would correspondingly get their reparations in the form of tax rebates and other payments. Such a method would be easy to set up, and would allow most whites to pay off the debt without needing to divest of everything they own. AS this is a permanent payment, this will ensure that African Americans can be reparated <in perpetuam>. I cannot think of ANY reason that individuals cannot adhere to this reasonable solution. Indeed, the GOP was created by the existence of slavery in the first place, and its economic viability was paved with oppressive corporate profits that cemented its existence as the most destructive organization in the history of the planet. I will be creating a change.gov petition on this very subject, and I'll be expecting thousands of DU'ers and other progressive organizations to join in this extremely important, vital necessity. (ALSO NOTE: Keep in mind that whites that emigrated to the U.S. after slavery was abolished are NOT exempt; indeed, their VERY PROSPERITY is 100% traceable to slave labor booty. The very fact that they wouldn't have lived their lives in extreme comfort compared to the harsh, impoverished plight that African Americans who've been in this country for hundreds of years were still enduring is proof that they (the emmigrant whites) were just as liable for reparations as their felonious white brothers and sisters since Columbus.)

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We owe the first nations people and the haitians too, and we should pay. PDJane Jul 2013 #1

I refuse to believe you are serious. bravenak Jul 2013 #2

Chuggo has to pay all his royalties to Snoop Dogg: NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #8

ok... I've considered it. FBaggins Jul 2013 #3

level of kook in this OP is jaw-dropping NT sigmasix Jul 2013 #4

And we should return California and the rest of the SouthWest to Mexico WestStar Jul 2013 #5

So my broke ass should give money to Oprah? XemaSab Jul 2013 #6

Oprah really needs the money. Her network isn't doing so well... Moonwalk Jul 2013 #10

There is not a single living human in the US with standing Blackford Jul 2013 #7

To many of the opinions: African American racism is unique in the fact it will never be overcome BanTheGOP Jul 2013 #9

So what percentage of every white person income should go to this Marrah_G Jul 2013 #11

Bizarre racist OP AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #12

this include descendants of union soldiers who died freeing slaves markiv Jul 2013 #13

PDJane

(10,103 posts)

1. We owe the first nations people and the haitians too, and we should pay.

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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:37 PM

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bravenak

(34,648 posts)

2. I refuse to believe you are serious.

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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:39 PM

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What if your half white, or Asian? What about native Americans? Come on fuggin guy!
Makes me think of chuggo.
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NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)

8. Chuggo has to pay all his royalties to Snoop Dogg:

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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:49 PM

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FBaggins

(28,763 posts)

3. ok... I've considered it.

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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:40 PM

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No.

Next?

sigmasix

(794 posts)

4. level of kook in this OP is jaw-dropping NT

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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:42 PM

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WestStar

(202 posts)

5. And we should return California and the rest of the SouthWest to Mexico

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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:45 PM

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And we screwed Russia out of Alaska, that goes back too. And the Hawaiian islands need to be given back to it's natives and on and on and on.

(And let's not forget that the Japanese-Americans were never really adequately compensated for what FDR stole from them)

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)

6. So my broke ass should give money to Oprah?

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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:47 PM

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Ahahahahaha... no.

I think the "fair" solution is free community college to any student who maintains a B average in high school, and free university to any student who maintains a B average at the JC.

African Americans (and people of other ethnicities) who want to get ahead can easily get ahead, and kids who aren't interested, well... you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)

10. Oprah really needs the money. Her network isn't doing so well...

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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:54 PM

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Blackford

(289 posts)

7. There is not a single living human in the US with standing

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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:48 PM

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I'm sorry you feel this way, but nobody in the United States has standing to even consider such a thing over.

The last person who allegedly lived as a slave died in 1971.

Even if you go to the heirs of slaves, the last living alleged child of a slave died in 2011.

Nobody has standing over slavery any longer. Your demand for reparations has nobody who deserves the reparations under the rules regarding standing under the law.

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)

9. To many of the opinions: African American racism is unique in the fact it will never be overcome

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Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:53 PM

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Other races and ethnicities have been able to overcome certain differences because they never had the huge burden of having to produce without compensation for the vast majority of their existence in this country. Using "half-white, half-other" arguments simply fail in this regard. There is no question: Whites owe, and they owe big; any other opinion is, at the VERY least, borderline racist, if not overtly full-blown GOP bloviating Archie Bunker n-word sycophants.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)

11. So what percentage of every white person income should go to this

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Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:00 AM

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Also, what about people of mixed backgrounds? What qualifies a person to get the reparations? What percentage of african american do they need to be? Do they need to be able to trace their roots back to slavery to qualify?

Would wealthy people qualify for the benefits? Would poor people be exempt from paying it?

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)

12. Bizarre racist OP

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Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:02 AM

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Sounds trollish to me.

markiv

(1,489 posts)

13. this include descendants of union soldiers who died freeing slaves

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Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:04 AM

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and never had any of their family live a day of their life in a state that had slaves?

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