Wikileaks is mad! Calls Obama an authoritarian!

[flamingdem]

Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:27 AM - Edit history (1)

WikiLeaks ‏@wikileaks 5h

Obama's mask continues to slip in this affair. Under all the acting, and reading of teleprompters, a vindictive, petty, authoritarian.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks




grrr (ps remember dylan ratigan)



grrrr


grrrr

[struggle4progress]

1. Might be easy to sort out GAS motives here:

Mr Greenwald is on record in 2010 laying out a strategy for increasing libertarian turn-out by stripping progressives away from the Dems

Mr Assange obviously doesn't want to go face sexual allegations in Sweden

And Mr Snowden, along predictable rightwing lines, seems to have grown ever more angry at the President since he originally voting third party in 2008

[flamingdem]

15. That's enough G.a.s to send this to the moon!

[Bolo Boffin]

2. Wikileaks made a Freeper-level teleprompter crack?

Huh.

[Maximumnegro]

59. Angry black man meme

Vindictive, petty, needs teleprompter 'cause he stupid. This is straight Birth of a Nation dogwhistle stuff that the Repubs tried to use against Obama in the beginning but then moved on when it didn't stick. Unfortunately Wikileaks and Greenwald haven't evolved their attacks.

The more they use hat language the less credible they become - there are a lot of negative descriptors one can come up with for Obama (I think the more effective one would be 'detached' and 'unaware', 'cold' to the work the NSA has been doing for instance). But petty and vindictive? Clinton yes, Obama? No way.

[handmade34]

3. Wikileaks mad?

and stupid for comments in this tweet

[BenzoDia]

4. Their most fervent wish is that Obama would tweet back in response.

Like how traditional American celeb rivalries play out.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

5. Has Wikileaks changed their slogan to "We only open and attack the U.S. government" yet?

Because "We open governments" seems a bit broad for their usual M.O.

[flamingdem]

16. Yes, plus they could say

We open our arms to the Russian government

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

23. ...

[alcibiades_mystery]

6. "...and reading of teleprompters..."

Wow. Really? Teleprompter?

Wikileaks racist is showing.

[flamingdem]

17. Murdoch has them kidnapped!

Talk about a dog whistle, it can't be more obvious

[Generic Other]

73. I don't understand the criticism of teleprompters

I remember making fun of how Bush used them, completely unable to view a whole sentence without moving his head from left to right and sounding out the big words. It wasn't the teleprompter we found ridiculous in this case, it was the grade school like use of it!!

Obama has never done that; however some seem to think any use of the teleprompter is somehow suspect. That's stupid. People used to refer to notes to give speeches. Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg Address on an envelope. No one would have criticized him for referring to his notes. Even reading off them verbatim. Or using cue cards. No one expects a politician to memorize every word of a speech or deliver an extemporaneous speech every time he opens his mouth. They are not actors. So why criticize teleprompters? It makes no sense. When Obama reads off a teleprompter, he clearly takes in whole sentences and delivers them without the gaffes Bush used to entertain us making. There's a reason we laughingly refer to Bush as the "misunderstimator" or the "edjumacation" president.

Do we expect presidents to give speeches like they were delivering lines in plays? Can't we just accept that these are their official words written after thought and revision and delivered live? Honestly. It is a stupid thing to criticize.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Btw, when is Russia-funded Assange going to break that Kremlingate story he was working on?

Waiting...waiting...

[flamingdem]

18. Add Putin to the Assange-Greenwald-Snowden

party. All eyes are off his abuses with Snowden spouting off from Russia

[Spitfire of ATJ]

69. I'm still waiting on the name dropping about the sub-prime scam.

[UTUSN]

8. "teleprompters"?!1 Wiki has let the mask slip to show favorite Faux/PALIN buzzword!1 n/t

[JoePhilly]

9. They left out his fake birth certificate.

[bunnies]

11. +1 nt

[BenzoDia]

13. Oh I'm sure it's coming. It takes a little time to dial up the rhetoric to 11

[flamingdem]

19. They're probably

about to "leak" that!

[ananda]

10. The real picture.

[woo me with science]

25. +1

[frylock]

55. oh but it's so much easier to pile on personalities..

than it is to think rationally.

[msanthrope]

79. That's exactly the point of the OP. nt

[bunnies]

12. Looks like Obamas isnt the only mask thats slipping.

eh, wikileaks?

[SidDithers]

14. Fuck wikilieaks...

teleprompter smears? WTF?

Sid

[Blackford]

20. Wow, they are resorting to the common wingnut smear about a teleprompter.

Using a teleprompter was never an issue for any president before Obama.

I wonder what has changed?

[Cali_Democrat]

37. Only white presidents are allowed to use teleprompters I guess.

[woo me with science]

21. A country that engages in mass surveillance of its own citizens

and targets peaceful protesters, whistleblowers, and journalists is authoritarian.

When Obama stands up for the First and Fourth Amendments instead of seeking to entrench, legalize, and expand the assaults on them, all the guffawing will make some sense.

Until then, this looks like more propaganda to defend the indefensible.

[Apophis]

24. This.

[flamingdem]

27. Are you referring to the wikileaks dog whistle about Obama? nt

[geek tragedy]

29. Obama targeted peaceful protestors? nt

[G_j]

33. actually he said NOTHING about it

when it was revealed.

[geek tragedy]

34. When what was revealed? nt

[G_j]

38. as if you never heard of it..

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring
See the released documents here

http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/fbi-files-ows.html

Homeland Security Tracked Occupy Wall Street 'Peaceful Activist Demonstrations'
Matt SledgeApr 02, 2013

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3002445

How the Government Targeted Occupy

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2013/05/12120/how-government-targeted-occupy

[geek tragedy]

40. You mean the story of how a few DHS/FBI agents here and there

visited the OWS Facebook and Twitter pages?

That was not an issue of national significance.

[G_j]

47. get back to me

when you've read the links, or done some research..

[geek tragedy]

48. I've seen those same links, and the actual documents they purport to summarize.

Bottom line is that there's no beef to the story. A few memos got drafted, and then it was pointed out that yeah you really shouldn't be monitoring people for engaging in first amendment activity. Snooze.

If this was a real thing, Glenn Greenwald, the CATO institute, and a whole host of others would be breathing fire about it.

There is no evidence that the DHS violated anyone's rights w/r/t the OWS protests.

[G_j]

58. I am obviously wasting my time

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/07/1095420/-FOIA-Revelations-Show-Administration-Role-In-Occupy-Crackdown

Homeland Security Documents Show Massive Nationwide Monitoring of Occupy Movement

Documents just obtained by the PCJF from its FOIA request show massive nationwide monitoring, surveillance and information sharing between the Department of Homeland Security and local authorities in response to Occupy. The PCJF, also on behalf of author/filmmaker Michael Moore and the National Lawyers Guild Mass Defense Committee, has made a series of FOIA demands regarding law enforcement involvement in the Occupy Crackdown. ...

This set of released materials reveals intense involvement by the DHS' National Operations Center (NOC) in these activities. The DHS describes the NOC as, "the primary national-level hub for domestic situational awareness, common operational picture, information fusion, information sharing, communications, and coordination pertaining to the prevention of terrorist attacks and domestic incident management. The NOC is the primary conduit for the White House Situation Room and DHS Leadership for domestic situational awareness and facilitates information sharing and operational coordination with other federal, state, local, tribal, non-governmental operation centers and the private sector."

Documents are available in 3 pdfs

more: http://www.nationofchange.org/white-house-dems-back-banks-over-protests-newly-discovered-homeland-security-files-show-feds-central

[geek tragedy]

62. Yes, I've seen what people with an agenda CLAIM they say.

But, just because some blogger or Kos diarist or random advocacy group say something doesn't mean it's true.

I actually looked at the documents they base their claims on, and whaddya know the claims are exaggerated to high heaven.

People who are prone to believe everything they read on the Internet, of course, accept the characterizations and spin regarding these documents without bothering to read them.

[G_j]

66. whatever you choose to think..

my original statement was that Obama said nothing. I suppose the misleading allegations against the IRS were worth his apologies though.

[geek tragedy]

67. The national press gave him no choice on the IRS.

Also, the IRS inspector general was playing his own game, so there was really no telling what was lurking in the weeds there.

[G_j]

68. really? you think he had no choice?

that says it all!!!

[geek tragedy]

70. Well, he had a choice, but he made the choice to go into

damage control mode rather than defiance mode.

[G_j]

71. he made a choice to bow to Republican BS

[geek tragedy]

72. He didn't know it was BS at the time.

He probably could have guessed. But he's not much of a guesser.

Had the IRS IG been candid and upfront, he may have had a better idea what was going on.

Part of not being part of a 'scandal' is not knowing what actually happened.

[boilerbabe]

39. umm, yeah, occupy, were you sleeping through all of that or are you being purposefully obtuse?

[geek tragedy]

41. I was aware of local PDs using excessive force in several instances.

I'm also aware of a bunch of unsubstantiated bullcrap claiming that the federal gubmint must have told those PDs to kick the protestors out, because there's no way that Mike Bloomberg would make that decision on his own.

[Scurrilous]

22. Teleprompter poutrage?

I thought these guys were supposed to be visionaries and heroes. And they regurgitate the same wheeze the Freepers have been hacking up for the past six years.

[flamingdem]

26. "They" don't get out much

Wonder if they have cable tv at the Ecuadoran Embassy.



Assange may not be up on US right wing dogwhistles

[Scurrilous]

30. I bet he's watching lots and lots of telenovelas.

Those things are addicting.

[geek tragedy]

28. Teleprompter remark and everything. Time for their bottle and a nap. nt

[Deep13]

31. He is authoritarian when it comes to secrecy. nt

[railsback]

32. Libertarians always find a way to undermine all their arguments

.. because they're nothing more than Republicans in sheep's clothing.

[Cali_Democrat]

35. The teleprompter attack

How original.

[Whisp]

36. How low and Teabagger like.

that just tells you they got nothing - except the outrage.

How very disappointing, I thought Assange was a kind of an intellectual type. Borrowing word salads from Palin... wtf.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

42. Assange is a tool...

And I don't believe for a second that Wikileaks is not the creation of a foreign government's intelligence agency.

[flamingdem]

44. Oddly it seems that would be Russia

but if so it's biting Putin in the rear right now.

Or not..

Hard to say.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

46. President Obama is calling Putin later today.

Me thinks Snowden's days in Moscow are numbered.

[flamingdem]

49. Good. Let him have it

because Putin shouldn't give asylum after it was rejected.

He'll look like he was played by Assange and Co.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

45. anyone going for the teleprompter meme is a shit cake of the lowest order

[flamingdem]

50. Wikileaks needs to hire better interns

unless of course Greenwald dictated that tweet! Sure sounds like he could have.

They're appealing to adolescents or adults who act like them.

[polichick]

51. Well, under the circumstances, that ain't much of a stretch.

[flamingdem]

52. Doesn't bother you they used a Palin slur against Obama?

Think it over

[polichick]

53. I was only commenting on the use of the word "authoritarian"

Guess I should've been more precise.

Calling the president an authoritarian isn't much of a stretch under the circumstances.

(I skip over anything mentioning Palin - she's irrelevant.)

[woo me with science]

54. Meanwhile, the government is still spying on us. nt

[CakeGrrl]

57. Proof? Illegal? Proof of illegality?

[woo me with science]

61. ...

Don't entertain this garbage.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022981567

Fourth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

[CakeGrrl]

63. Take the proof to Congress. Issa is waiting. -nt

[randome]

80. Metal detectors. Drug-sniffing dogs. Drug tests. DNA collection. Fingerprinting.

Import inspections. Breathalyzer tests. Driver's license requests.

You really think the 4th Amendment has no qualifications?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[woo me with science]

85. Pshaw, what's a little secret court system, secret laws, and mass surveillance and data collection

ON EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN? What's a little targeting of protesters, whistleblowers, and journalists?

The reflexive, relentless parroting of propaganda rationalizing ANYTHING this administration ever does is high comedy at this point. Or it would be, if this assault on the fundamentals of our Constitutional government was even remotely funny.



Don't entertain this garbage.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022981567

Fourth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]

[randome]

89. I was only pointing out that your reflexive copy-paste of the 4th Amendment...

...doesn't stand on its own with an entire 237 years of judiciary decisions and qualifications to 'amend' that amendment.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[CakeGrrl]

56. Wow, trotting out the RW teleprompter bullshit?

THEIR mask is slipping, I think.

Whassa matter? They get in bed with Russia by flying Snowden over there, and now they don't like having to DEAL with that?

Deal with it.

[flamingdem]

60. Their whining really defines them

Last week they whined to Raul Castro that if he weally, twuly supported the South American countries that offered asylum he'd let his airport be used as a transit point.

Like Raul Castro gives a crap about them.

Now whining at Obama! Though that's of course just dog whistles for their gang.

[BenzoDia]

64. They're probably upset that they helped screw Snowden up

Sucks when things blow up in your face

[flamingdem]

65. Exactly. These whining tweets show the stress they're under

but it's oddly immature to write the way they do.

I can't figure whether they're aiming to the twenty something crowd, still angry with authority, or at baggers and Libertarians who they'd like to recruit!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

74. Kinda like calling a duck a duck.

[flamingdem]

75. That just outed you if you support the teleprompter comment nt

[Generic Other]

78. The teleprompter criticism is stupid

that doesn't mean other criticism is invalidated by this particular argument.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

88. I couldn't care less about the teleprompter.

Does that mean that you are in agreement with the other comments?

[flamingdem]

76. More whining at Obama from Wikileaks

WikiLeaks ‏@wikileaks 37m
If there is one matter that is entirely clear, it is that Edward #Snowden is a dissident. The Whitehouse is going nowhere with this.

[Savannahmann]

77. Did wikileaks manage to get the European powers to violate the Vienna Conventions?

If they did, then Wikileaks is the authoritarian.

[flamingdem]

81. Where is the proof they were violated?

If so that would be on record and being discussed and it's not. Just Evo Morales convocation to complain and a wishy washy resolution that was approved before the EU countries could even weigh in!

[Savannahmann]

82. Oh Good God

What does it take for you to admit that something is wrong? Will it take a full declaration of war from the South American Countries? If one holds out from declaring war, does that prove to you there is nothing to it?

Good grief.

[flamingdem]

92. No. Just a link. The rest is blah blah

The EU countries said they never blocked Morales airspace, that's on record from the OAS meeting

[whatchamacallit]

83. Before Obama, Question Authority used to be a popular slogan with liberals

My how we've changed...

[CakeGrrl]

84. Question authority? Sure. Break laws? Expect consequences.

The DOJ charges weren't conjured up out of thin air.

A lot of people don't like having to account for their lawbreaking. That doesn't prevent them from going to and being in jail.

Snowden should be exempt...why?

[whatchamacallit]

86. Not sure what you're barking about

My reply was in response to the OP, which as far as I can tell is about wikileaks' opinion of Obama.

[phleshdef]

87. Anyone who thinks this is an authoritarian country should have to live in one for a few days.

[flamingdem]

90. I agree

For example most of those countries have laws that citizens have to have ID at all times.

The US is very relaxed in that regard.

[arely staircase]

91. teleprompter lol

[flamingdem]

93. Such a Palin era dog whistle!

arf arf Wikileaks