You want to know what I reasonably doubt?

[Duer 157099]

I very strongly reasonably doubt, based on everything I now know about Zimmerman and his cop-wannabe-fetish, that Zimmerman kept his firearm holstered while he was pursuing his suspect.

Think about this from Z's perspective. He wants to be a cop, he has studied how cops behave, he probably has watched cop shows his whole life.

A cop in pursuit of a suspect does what?

1) they call for backup. Z did that by calling the NEN.

Then what is the very next, the VERY NEXT thing they do?

They grab their weapon.

Zimmerman had his gun in his hand the MINUTE he tells the NEN dispatch that Martin is running (and that he's following him).

I would bet on it. I am certain of it.

[shraby]

1. That's what I've been thinking. Zim thinks the kid is a thug and is afraid of him so yes,

he would have that gun out of its holster while tracking him down..one must have it "on the ready" at all times. There's no way he could have retrieved it from underneath him as he claimed.
It was in his hand start to finish.

[Hoyt]

2. I'll bet for sure that the toting bigot touched his gun to intimidate Martin.

And I would not doubt he pulled it long before he murdered Trayvon.

[Nevernose]

3. And was holding his "tactical" flashlight in the other hand

He hung up on the police and said "I'll call you back after I find him." Left his car with his flashlight and gun.

[targetpractice]

11. I'll bet you are right...

I also believe that it was actually Zimmerman telling Trayvon to shut up and stop screaming during the struggle. Not the other way around like he told police. Why? Because Zimmerman was caught brandishing a gun and the police were on their way.

When narcissists fuck up, they immediate go into a weird story-telling mode to protect their reputation… They will tell their side (lies) to anyone who will listen to cover their mistakes, and in doing so they often project their own bad behavior onto the "victim"… Why would Trayvon keep telling Zimmerman to shut up? He didn't. Zimmerman desperately wanted Trayvon to stop screaming because he wound up in uncontrollable situation where he was brandishing his gun… If caught, his delusional fantasy of himself would be over.

[Duckwraps]

4. If he did it would have

been very poor tactics for a civilian with a cc permit nd it is certainly not taught by reputable trainers.

[Duer 157099]

6. This is the same Zimmerman that killed a kid

You think he was worried about getting caught brandishing a gun? I don't.

[targetpractice]

12. He was busted. That's why he wanted Trayvon to stop screaming.

Zimmerman fucked up… And he knew the police were on the way.

[yardwork]

7. I'm certain of it because otherwise when would he have had time to draw?

We know that Zimmerman drew his weapon at some point, because he shot Martin. Working back in time, when would he have been able to draw his weapon? He can't have drawn when he said he drew, because it's a physical impossibility for him to have drawn a gun from the back of his waistband, over his right butt cheek, if he was really on his back being pummeled by Martin. So we know that that story is false.

When else would Zimmerman have had time to draw his weapon? He had it out when he confronted Martin, and that's why we hear the teenager's screams of terror on the 911 tapes.

[Duer 157099]

8. Yes. Add to that his mentality (and cowardice)

and we know for certain that gun was out long before he was flat on his back.

[Ruby the Liberal]

9. Yep - and without going there, John Guy made (IMO) that very point in his closing rebuttal

When he said it was physically impossible for Zippy to grab his gun if the fight went down like he claimed - and then challenged the jurors to "try it" in the jury room, which I took to mean either with the foam dummy or each other.

[shraby]

10. Also it's possible that what witnesses thought they saw - someone pummeling someone may have been

when Zim was checking Martins hands for a weapon. No pummeling going on, just cya.