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marym625

(17,997 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:01 AM Jul 2013

We're all to blame

This unbelievable State sanctioned murder of a child, because of nothing more than the color of his skin ,is symptomatic of so much that is wrong with this country

A man kills a child and the victim is drug tested but not the murderer. 

A man kills a child after being told by the police not to follow the child and the family of the child has to hire attorneys to even have the murderer charged.

The Stand Your Ground law in Florida was not applied in the case of an abused woman who shot at the ceiling when her abuser came after her again. The same prosecutors for that case were the prosecutors in case the Zimmerman trial. But in the case of the abused, black woman, who hurt no one, the woman was convicted and put in jail for 20 years. But a black boy with skittles walks home from the store, is murdered in cold blood and the murderer gets off. He will receive his gun back and be allowed to conceal and carry.

The NRA, corporate greed, racism, lack of gun laws, misogyny are all to blame.

However, at the heart of the matter is we are all to blame for this child's death. 

Nearly 60 years since the murder of Emmett Till and we seemed to have learned nothing.

"The deterioration of every government beginswith the decay of the principles on which it was founded." Charles-Louis De Secondat

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We're all to blame (Original Post) marym625 Jul 2013 OP
I will not take responsibility JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #1
I respect what you're saying marym625 Jul 2013 #3
Why would JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #5
Please see the reply from DeSwiss marym625 Jul 2013 #28
I guarantee you that I am not to blame. Billy Graham was sought out by famous wrongdoers byeya Jul 2013 #2
The royal "we" PDittie Jul 2013 #4
exactly marym625 Jul 2013 #22
That friend is BS. I will not take blame for what every crazy white man does. Just like southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #6
and we're all victims markiv Jul 2013 #7
No. We are not all to blame. SheilaT Jul 2013 #8
Uh, no we are not. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #9
No, we're not. And it does no particular good to diffuse blame in such a way. cali Jul 2013 #10
wow marym625 Jul 2013 #11
If I knew how to put a symbol that meant "this is not aimed at the OP" I would have done so. byeya Jul 2013 #12
Thank you! marym625 Jul 2013 #13
I know you meant no disrespect and it was a very positive post and when I saw your followup byeya Jul 2013 #14
Thank you! marym625 Jul 2013 #19
And dogs have more rights than either people or corporations. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #16
Not me. zappaman Jul 2013 #15
I am suspicious of self appointed crusaders all all types. cleveramerican Jul 2013 #17
I get it. Well written! 20score Jul 2013 #18
Thank you 20Score. marym625 Jul 2013 #20
Thanks but no thanks Doctor_J Jul 2013 #21
Speak for yourself nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #23
Funny, I don't feel guilty. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #24
well if nothing else marym625 Jul 2013 #25
Exactly. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #26
So well said marym625 Jul 2013 #27

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
1. I will not take responsibility
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jul 2013

For George Zimmerman's active choice to bring a gun to a fist fight.

I will not take responsibility for the murder and lack of justice for Emmett Till.

This is the America I was born into. It's not my fault for being born black in America.

I am not responsible for Slavery By Any Other Name, the new Jim Crow, or any of the dominant stereotypes of black women.

I'm not responsible. I accuse:

George Zimmerman

Ronald Reagan

The current House of Representatives

The TEA Party as the latest incarnation of the John Birch Society.

White Supremacy and Privilege

The meme that all minorities are the same - we aren't. And it is entirely possible for people who are neither black nor white are racist towards black or white people.

The NRA and gun lobby.



^^^^^ They are responsible. Neither you nor I are responsible for those individuals and groups actions.

JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
5. Why would
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:24 AM
Jul 2013

A forty year old black woman be responsible? Can you explain that to me?

What did I ever do to America?

Name one thing I did.

And you can't use the welfare queen meme. I'm not on welfare and never have been.

But that doesn't matter to folks like Georgie.

We need very clear lines and admonishment of those who wish to do "the others" harm. Anything else borders on Both Sides Do It. Holding black Americans responsible for this - well - its not responsible.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
2. I guarantee you that I am not to blame. Billy Graham was sought out by famous wrongdoers
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:17 AM
Jul 2013

for a public It's all right, we're all to blame quote. Nixon had him over to the White House for a prayer meeting and Rev Billy emerged to tell the world, We're all to blame for Watergate. I told people at the time, I am not to blame for Watergate and it's still my position.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
4. The royal "we"
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:24 AM
Jul 2013

To the extent that Zimmerman, SYG laws, ALEC bear their own responsibility... I would also like to implicate everybody who did not vote in 2010.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
6. That friend is BS. I will not take blame for what every crazy white man does. Just like
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:00 PM
Jul 2013

I don't expect a black person to take responsibility what follow black men do. I was taught as a child that everyone was equal. We all played together and even had sleep overs. You have no right to lump everyone togther like that. When I see an injustice I am there to correct it no matter who it is. Here is an idea people. Raise your children to respect everyone and tell them everyone is equal.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. No, we're not. And it does no particular good to diffuse blame in such a way.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:26 PM
Jul 2013

Your op is a pretty confused mash up.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
11. wow
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jul 2013

I'm not saying each person in the country took part in this travesty. I am saying as a nation we are to blame. It is the people in this country that have allowed us to get to a point where laws protect murderers. Where corporations have more rights than humans.
I didn't say, Joe, you did this.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
12. If I knew how to put a symbol that meant "this is not aimed at the OP" I would have done so.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jul 2013

It's just that I've had this argument/discussion with many people over many years and I went with my canned reaction. I did not mean to offend although no one can tell that from words alone on a computer. You do have a point with which I agree: This country has not ended the endemic racism and bias that predated the Declaration of Independence and grew worse with the Civil War and the churches and other institutions that set out to defend and expand slavery.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
13. Thank you!
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jul 2013

I appreciate that. My first post here. Believe me, I meant no disrespect to people that obviously care and most likely contribute to society. Just meant as a whole our nation has lost its way. Whatever we do ,we need to do more, if at all possible.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
14. I know you meant no disrespect and it was a very positive post and when I saw your followup
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jul 2013

I thought "Jeez I've put my foot in it without meaning to" so I entered the above.

No offense - thanks for the posts.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
21. Thanks but no thanks
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:14 PM
Jul 2013

If you're including my 50-something year old pasty white ass, you're dead wrong. I will not take responsibility for the murder or the travesty of a trial.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
24. Funny, I don't feel guilty.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:26 PM
Jul 2013

Your collective indictment is a fail. I've never met George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin or any other parties involved in the case. I'm a law-abiding citizen who works and pays his taxes. Nothing I've ever done affects this case one way or the other.

Your argument for collective guilt or original sin or whatever has absolutely no merit.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
26. Exactly.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:03 AM
Jul 2013
- We create reality. No one escapes. It's our play, as Shakespeare informed us, and we all have parts in it. If you can't appreciate quantum mechanics, you might want to stop right here.

K&R

Here's the problem.....

...we can try to separate this madness if we want to. We do it all the time. We've been trained to. We've learned to pretend that down is up, and left is right, and right is wrong. And most of us can do so now with little hesitation. We shake our heads, we look away.

But we're the ones who separate the dead gunshot babies killed by our own children in Newtown, from the dead Droned babies in Yemen or Pakistan. We demand new laws to reign-in the guns from the gunnutz, then conveniently forget about our all our bombs, and mines, tear gas, tasers, machine guns, jet fighters, submarines and Drones and bombers and surveillance satellites and most of all: the massive nuclear arsenal we still allow to exist which threatens all life on the planet.

So to escape that responsibility we go mentally navel-gazing and turn-on the latest Reality TeeVee program to drown-out the images of the twisted limbs and anguished gut-wrenched faces of the mothers and fathers. The dead futures of all these children at last equal, in death.

In our time now the truth-tellers, the whistleblowers and sometimes people who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, get jailed, get imprisoned, and Gitmoed. We swallow a Prozac with our Red Bull and go petro-plasticly consuming on our merry way without much of a thought of it all. Hoping, praying inside our terrified souls that someone will do something, somewhere to makes it all stop.

Just stop.

Because we don't believe that we can stop it or we would have, and no one whom we've ''elected'' has stopped the madness either. They just seem make more madness for us.

So we look askance at all this immorality. We do it so that we don't see ourselves in the reflections. We know it comes back to us. We cannot get away from TRUTH no matter how far we run away from it. It follows and remains with us until we become it and it becomes who we are.

There is no other way.

We can't keep looking outside ourselves to these ''leaders'' we send to solve problems we've created through our neglect and aloofness from engaging life directly. We cannot send them off to find the answers to this madness for us, when it should be clear that's the wrong place for us to look and the wrong place for us to start.

The problems we have were created by us.

They are the hard lessons we've inflicted upon ourselves to reach this point.

Now we must go beyond the point where we have normally stopped. And done nothing.

The power is in us.

And nowhere else.

~DeSwiss

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