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This unbelievable State sanctioned murder of a child, because of nothing more than the color of his skin ,is symptomatic of so much that is wrong with this country
A man kills a child and the victim is drug tested but not the murderer.
A man kills a child after being told by the police not to follow the child and the family of the child has to hire attorneys to even have the murderer charged.
The Stand Your Ground law in Florida was not applied in the case of an abused woman who shot at the ceiling when her abuser came after her again. The same prosecutors for that case were the prosecutors in case the Zimmerman trial. But in the case of the abused, black woman, who hurt no one, the woman was convicted and put in jail for 20 years. But a black boy with skittles walks home from the store, is murdered in cold blood and the murderer gets off. He will receive his gun back and be allowed to conceal and carry.
The NRA, corporate greed, racism, lack of gun laws, misogyny are all to blame.
However, at the heart of the matter is we are all to blame for this child's death.
Nearly 60 years since the murder of Emmett Till and we seemed to have learned nothing.
"The deterioration of every government beginswith the decay of the principles on which it was founded." Charles-Louis De Secondat
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)For George Zimmerman's active choice to bring a gun to a fist fight.
I will not take responsibility for the murder and lack of justice for Emmett Till.
This is the America I was born into. It's not my fault for being born black in America.
I am not responsible for Slavery By Any Other Name, the new Jim Crow, or any of the dominant stereotypes of black women.
I'm not responsible. I accuse:
George Zimmerman
Ronald Reagan
The current House of Representatives
The TEA Party as the latest incarnation of the John Birch Society.
White Supremacy and Privilege
The meme that all minorities are the same - we aren't. And it is entirely possible for people who are neither black nor white are racist towards black or white people.
The NRA and gun lobby.
^^^^^ They are responsible. Neither you nor I are responsible for those individuals and groups actions.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But I disagree. Though I agree your list certainly contains top culprits
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)A forty year old black woman be responsible? Can you explain that to me?
What did I ever do to America?
Name one thing I did.
And you can't use the welfare queen meme. I'm not on welfare and never have been.
But that doesn't matter to folks like Georgie.
We need very clear lines and admonishment of those who wish to do "the others" harm. Anything else borders on Both Sides Do It. Holding black Americans responsible for this - well - its not responsible.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Actually said it better than I
byeya
(2,842 posts)for a public It's all right, we're all to blame quote. Nixon had him over to the White House for a prayer meeting and Rev Billy emerged to tell the world, We're all to blame for Watergate. I told people at the time, I am not to blame for Watergate and it's still my position.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)To the extent that Zimmerman, SYG laws, ALEC bear their own responsibility... I would also like to implicate everybody who did not vote in 2010.
Completely agree about people who don't vote. Cannot understand that
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)I don't expect a black person to take responsibility what follow black men do. I was taught as a child that everyone was equal. We all played together and even had sleep overs. You have no right to lump everyone togther like that. When I see an injustice I am there to correct it no matter who it is. Here is an idea people. Raise your children to respect everyone and tell them everyone is equal.
markiv
(1,489 posts)if you believe in judging people as groups, rather than individuals
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I really dislike this collective blame crap.
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Your op is a pretty confused mash up.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I'm not saying each person in the country took part in this travesty. I am saying as a nation we are to blame. It is the people in this country that have allowed us to get to a point where laws protect murderers. Where corporations have more rights than humans.
I didn't say, Joe, you did this.
byeya
(2,842 posts)It's just that I've had this argument/discussion with many people over many years and I went with my canned reaction. I did not mean to offend although no one can tell that from words alone on a computer. You do have a point with which I agree: This country has not ended the endemic racism and bias that predated the Declaration of Independence and grew worse with the Civil War and the churches and other institutions that set out to defend and expand slavery.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I appreciate that. My first post here. Believe me, I meant no disrespect to people that obviously care and most likely contribute to society. Just meant as a whole our nation has lost its way. Whatever we do ,we need to do more, if at all possible.
byeya
(2,842 posts)I thought "Jeez I've put my foot in it without meaning to" so I entered the above.
No offense - thanks for the posts.
marym625
(17,997 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Not even a little.
UNREC.
cleveramerican
(2,895 posts)20score
(4,769 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Coming from you, that means a great deal. I love your stuff.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)If you're including my 50-something year old pasty white ass, you're dead wrong. I will not take responsibility for the murder or the travesty of a trial.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Your collective indictment is a fail. I've never met George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin or any other parties involved in the case. I'm a law-abiding citizen who works and pays his taxes. Nothing I've ever done affects this case one way or the other.
Your argument for collective guilt or original sin or whatever has absolutely no merit.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I've learned how to piss people off here. Unintentional as it was.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
...we can try to separate this madness if we want to. We do it all the time. We've been trained to. We've learned to pretend that down is up, and left is right, and right is wrong. And most of us can do so now with little hesitation. We shake our heads, we look away.
But we're the ones who separate the dead gunshot babies killed by our own children in Newtown, from the dead Droned babies in Yemen or Pakistan. We demand new laws to reign-in the guns from the gunnutz, then conveniently forget about our all our bombs, and mines, tear gas, tasers, machine guns, jet fighters, submarines and Drones and bombers and surveillance satellites and most of all: the massive nuclear arsenal we still allow to exist which threatens all life on the planet.
So to escape that responsibility we go mentally navel-gazing and turn-on the latest Reality TeeVee program to drown-out the images of the twisted limbs and anguished gut-wrenched faces of the mothers and fathers. The dead futures of all these children at last equal, in death.
In our time now the truth-tellers, the whistleblowers and sometimes people who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, get jailed, get imprisoned, and Gitmoed. We swallow a Prozac with our Red Bull and go petro-plasticly consuming on our merry way without much of a thought of it all. Hoping, praying inside our terrified souls that someone will do something, somewhere to makes it all stop.
Just stop.
Because we don't believe that we can stop it or we would have, and no one whom we've ''elected'' has stopped the madness either. They just seem make more madness for us.
So we look askance at all this immorality. We do it so that we don't see ourselves in the reflections. We know it comes back to us. We cannot get away from TRUTH no matter how far we run away from it. It follows and remains with us until we become it and it becomes who we are.
There is no other way.
We can't keep looking outside ourselves to these ''leaders'' we send to solve problems we've created through our neglect and aloofness from engaging life directly. We cannot send them off to find the answers to this madness for us, when it should be clear that's the wrong place for us to look and the wrong place for us to start.
The problems we have were created by us.
They are the hard lessons we've inflicted upon ourselves to reach this point.
Now we must go beyond the point where we have normally stopped. And done nothing.
The power is in us.
And nowhere else.
~DeSwiss
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marym625
(17,997 posts)Thank you for such a great response! You did a much better job than I.