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[flamingdem]

1. It's a trap! nt

[Skittles]

2. it didn't even take two minutes for the first nitwit response

[KittyWampus]

79. Congratulations on matching the nitwit response in kind.

[DevonRex]

96. Watch out.

She'll gleefully call you a "groupie" but deny it means anything like the groupies of the 70s. No sexual connotation, no drugs. Oh, no. She wouldn't mean that.

[woo me with science]

3. K&R The propaganda machine is deadly serious to the one percent.

They work 24/7, because shaping public opinion and especially hijacking and distracting from actual discussion of what is being done to this country and all of us is considered critical right now.

DU is not alone in being targeted. Political sites across the internet are experiencing this. Where surveillance states grow, propaganda machines are inevitable. It is all part of authoritarianism.

[delrem]

4. Unfortunately this is already entwined with directives do/don't support Obama, Dems, ...

It's already having an effect on DU.
Some subjects that were meat and potatoes for DU in G.W.B.'s reign are verging, or even more than verging on the taboo. So discussions about what to do about this ... coup from within ... are extinguished.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. "It's pretty obvious who you are working for"

So who are the "Snowden haters" working for?

[Zorra]

55. The Military Industrial Complex. nt

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

6. I wish I could get paid to bash Snowden... coffee ain't cheap.

Where do I send my resume?

[Quantess]

7. Can I get one of those jobs?

I need the money.

[LeftyMom]

8. They don't work for anyone: cult members pay to join.

Sad but true.

[DevonRex]

85. Aren't you sweet to your fellow DUers?

I'll remember that.

[KittyWampus]

88. But we get toasters after our membership is confirmed… except I don't hate S.

I just think he's a nobody hacker who has become involved in something way over his head.

Jeez- I hope I don't lose my job.

[Arctic Dave]

103. +1

Cult members pay to join. Spot on.

[Douglas Carpenter]

9. no one's paying them - They are being authoritarianism's useful dingbats for free

[DevonRex]

87. I'll remember this, too.

[Hekate]

10. I keep sayin': Where's my damn paycheck?

And don't tell me it's in the mail -- that won't fly.

[Kennah]

11. I got told that mine's in the mall.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

13. Don't you just love our coworkers, though?

[Life Long Dem]

12. Snowden hates himself.

Edward Snowden Blasted New York Times Leaks In 2009: Leakers ‘Should Be Shot In The Balls’

http://www.mediaite.com/online/edward-snowden-blasted-new-york-times-leaks-in-2009-leakers-should-be-shot-in-the-balls/

[sabrina 1]

63. Every report on that 'chat session' goes back to the same source which doesn't give any evidence

that the chatter is Snowden. Do you have something other than these pick up reports of the same origin that proves this person was Snowden? They all go to the same source which simply claims it is Snowden.

Thanks in advance.

[msongs]

14. mean while about the use of drones to execute people w/out trial....crickets.... nt

[woo me with science]

15. +10000 The propaganda machine dislikes talk of Kill Lists.

The United States of American now has "Kill Lists."

[backscatter712]

67. And the silence is even louder when the topic is drone double-taps... n/t

[Waiting For Everyman]

16. It's sort of like gossip-think.

It's used in a parallel universe simultaneous with this one, where the native language seems to be English, but in fact has nothing in common with it.

[backscatter712]

59. The writing looks something like this:

[Broward]

17. Unfortunately, these servile tools exist

in all societies happily submitting to the TPTB.

[DevonRex]

89. Hmm. Didn't know you before. Now I won't forget.

[Broward]

115. Hmm. I won't forget

that you won't forget.

[leftynyc]

18. I go on vacation for 2 weeks and come

back to the same bullshit as when I left. Is it really so hard for Snowden worshippers (hey, if we're going to name call, I can play also) to understand that some of us can handle two concepts at the same time - that the NSA is an out of control agency, that the Patriot Act is an abomination against our constitution AND think that Snowden is an asshole? The comment about who I'm obviously working for is nothing but a fucking joke on your part.

[AZ Progressive]

19. The continuous obsession with hatred of Snowden just reeks love of the establishment

The same establishment that is corrupt and is ruining America.

To be honest, it looks pretty phony and is almost robotic, a sorry attempt at propaganda.

[leftynyc]

20. The obsession is in your mind

When Snowden and Greenwald keep their mouths shut, there is nothing to say, when they make themselves the story, they become the story, it's really that simple. Two weeks in Europe and not one person who thought this was important - the assumption is that all governments spy and such is the world we live in with the internet and social media I know it would make you happy to believe the rest of the world hates us because of the Snowden story but it's simply not true. They're worried about the economy, Egypt and Syria and don't give a shit about Snowden except for thinking it's hilarious that he's still living in the Moscow airport.

[LondonReign2]

65. "When Snowden and Greenwald keep their mouths shut, there is nothing to say"

If only that were true. Unfortuantely, even when they haven't said anything we have posters starting a dozen OPs a day telling us how awful they are.

[leftynyc]

66. Perhaps

I've been gone a couple of blissfully unaware weeks and thoroughly enjoyed this being the very last story even commented on on both CNN International and BBC World (who were merely keeping track of snowden's whereabouts and his asylum status). It's just not that important to anyone else which may be why Greenwald has to say ever more increasingly stupid shit to make sure everyone is still talking about him.

[flamingdem]

70. Thanks for the report back lefty

Mystery solved about Greenwald's mouth flapping, funny that Europeans don't give a scheisse about Snowden, just think its funny he's in the Moscow airport. Even that irony is lost on Snowden worshippers!

[leftynyc]

73. Europeans are worried about their

economy, they're talking about Egypt, Syria (and some cricket match between the UK and Australia). Snowden isn't on their radar at all and anyone we spoke to about it assumes that all governments (not just the wicked US), spies on the internet, email, etc....Snowden is meaningless to them and greenwald even less so which was why I was very surprised to come back and see it's still such a major story on this site. Nobody else gives a shit.

[otohara]

113. German Spies Made Use of US Surveilance to Find

kidnapped Germans in Afghanistan

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/07/15/usa-security-germany-idINDEE96E08V20130715

I posted this today - dropped off this site like a hot potato

[leftynyc]

114. People here only seem to care about

being outraged. It's just another thing they can bitch about and further cast Pres Obama as an enemy. Their delusional hope that the outrage will spread to our allies - so much so that they're perfectly happy to pat Putin on the back for sticking the Pres in the eye - is merely wishful thinking. I guess everyone needs a hobby.

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. Alas, another thread about Snowden. You guys really should make up your minds.

[Kolesar]

28. You must be heartbroken after all that work you did for Kerry and Obama

or didn't

[era veteran]

22. I'm not working for NSA

Was offered a job there in '73 though.
Snowden is a traitor.
Should have done his leaking on the Mall if he was so sure of himself and so strong in conviction.
Run to Russia??
Fuck him.
Fuck the Patriot Act too.

[carolinayellowdog]

23. "Please stop" is hardly the best way to dissuade two minute haters from their mission

seems to have the reverse effect

[GreedIsGood]

24. I dont think he did the right thing...

IMO that is betrayal... You should be loyal to the country which gives your paycheck every year.

[stillwaiting]

69. "You should be loyal to the country which gives your paycheck every year."

This type of thinking simply blows my mind. I'm truly speechless.

[ronnie624]

110. Being loyal to a country

isn't really the same as being loyal to a corrupt government.

You can understand that the State and the country are two separate entities, can't you?

[polynomial]

25. The Bell Curve of Tyranny

The online community can flush out the hatred of Snowden, especially in ferreting out prime time electromagnetic space hogs such as Ed Shultz. Here those electromagnetic space hogs should jump out to all Americans. This media, the real pork in our economy, especially the big three, Fox, MSNBC, CNN, have the space and dedicate the time to tyrannize the way they want things done in America.

Yes looking at Ms. Perry and Mr. Shultz says plenty about the media being able to flip between terror and tyranny for or against America. Please understand I like both of these news journalists but totally disagree with them on this issue of Snowden.

Besides, these media are likely using the very same tools and Meta data base Snowden is actually talking about. Using Meta data through the shield of protected sources is way too cool and powerful being displayed before America everyday through commercialism. The way Ed acts shows a deep sense of guilt about something in the background, my view is the media has access to these meta files and has been using them in commercial advertising for years.

Consider this if the media did not have those tools like Meta data base, the commercials on cable should be a lot more cockeyed with a rhythm way different then it is now. It is as if the commercials are thinking exactly what you want!!!

First understand from my view where I originally liked the way Ed supported the working class. What especially is good is the once in a while philanthropy in a free medical center that is offered perhaps once a year in Orleans. Totally not enough Philanthropy, even though there is the capability for much more.

What puzzles me is why not something similar for the working class do free big tent union sign ups. Ed Shultz is so union orientated but severely conservative when it comes to really applying what he talks about for the working class. Obviously victim wage earners displayed by the red state minimum wage blockade.

And or reporting union negotiations with the same in the court time line expressed for the Zimmerman stuff by cable television. That’s a real defect deficit, the imbalance so obvious it sticks out like Ed’s belly.

No, Snowden is no punk, even though he broke the law. All that very, very, laughable considering those at the top swindled trillions of dollars via phony wars profiteering by those very secret tools Snowden is exposing.

Here the media brought America to where we are now, the defect of fraud in society avoided in America for more than decades. Leaving America with thousands of Americans that dedicated their lives and volunteered for these wars then endure post-traumatic stress that wind up taking their own life.

Or consider those who lose their jobs because they hate Obama too. Thousands per year, or homeless. Anyone can argue Ms. Harris and Mr. Ed Shultz are the best paid hypocrites money can buy.

One conclusion, I could like hypocrites. Yikes…yes if they do what is good for everyone not just the one percent!

[Th1onein]

26. "Its pretty obvious who you are working for...."

I've been wondering about this as well. They seem to be spewing talking points. And the hate is mirroring what we hear from the administration. There's a kind of desperation to it, you know? The same kind that you see in the deal with the ambassador's plane that they forced to land.

[reformist2]

42. Of course we don't *know*, but I think it only stands to reason that powerful people hire minions to

spread their propaganda and lies. Just think of it as advertizing, the hidden persuaders. Only on the political realm.

[Silent3]

27. Did it ever occur to you that people can simply disagree without "working for" your enemies?

You're only making the worthy cause of being against unwarranted surveillance look bad by associating it with foaming-at-the mouth conspiratorial thinking.

[reformist2]

44. It's not conspiratorial to think people are paid to propagate the propaganda.

And of course it's part of their jobs to not reveal what they're doing. That would undermine their whole purpose.

To deny that thousands of people are hired to do this sort of thing, well, that's just silly.

[Silent3]

61. There's a difference between knowing that it happens and acting like every instance...

...of disagreement JUST HAS TO BE a paid shill or other ill-motivated, mustache-twirling villian. It's like saying, "I know that my point of view is just SOOOO very clearly righteous and correct that if you disagree with me, there's NO POSSIBLE WAY it could ANYTHING BUT the result of you being a paid shill, or perhaps an idiot taken in by the paid shills!"

[Bobbie Jo]

29. Welcome to Infowars 2.0

[backscatter712]

30. You're far too nice to them.

The people who engage in character assassination are SCUM.

The people who practice McCarthyist witchhunting are SCUM.

The people who cheerlead and apologize for illegal and unconstitutional activities that violate our rights and threaten to turn our country into an authoritarian police state are SCUM.

If I was Skinner, I'd tombstone every single one of them. The shit they pull is something that should only be seen in places like Breitbart and Redstate. If they want to act like right-wing bullies, they should go over there.

It's a fucking disgrace they're allowed to do what they've done on a board that purports to call itself "Democratic."

[Douglas Carpenter]

31. I would encourage you to consider moderating your terminology a little bit

I do agree that support for authoritarianism should be a TOS violation though. But I doubt that they realize that they are supporting authoritarianism. Sometimes people become so singularly focused that they develop incredible tunnel vision and end up justifying behavior the way a bomber pilot justifies the innocent lives they are destroying. In this case blind partisanship or blind loyalty to he President has robbed some otherwise decent people from the ability to think clearly and to act ethically.

[backscatter712]

32. I'd also make character assassination a TOS violation.

It's a really shitty thing to do to someone. I find it vile.

And what I've heard from the bashers didn't happen just to Snowden. They also subjected Evo Morales, Democracy Now!, Daniel Ellsberg, Amnesty International, and countless more people and groups who didn't deserve such attacks with this despicable sliming.

You'll excuse me if I'm not very forgiving of this behavior. If I were Skinner, I'd throw them out.

[leftynyc]

51. If Skinner would make

character assassination a TOS violation, you'd be the first to go after calling everyone who doesn't worship Snowden scum. But I doubt you're self aware enough to realize that.

[backscatter712]

56. Ah, more dishonest word-twisting and invention of meaning.

I did not talk about "worshipping Snowden."

I talked about people engaging in character assassination, and said that it was a shitty thing to do to someone, and the people who engage in that activity are scum.

You used the term "Snowden worshipper" - itself a form of character assassination.

You can go to my ignore list with the rest of the scum.

[leftynyc]

60. Badge of honor for me

to be ignored by the likes of you. Enjoy your bubble while I'll enjoy your impotence at everyone not agreeing with you.

[Broward]

33. Amazingly, they'll accuse use of turning your back

on the Democratic Party because of your insufficient fealty to their beloved leaders.

[backscatter712]

34. That too!

If attacks on them don't work, they attack you - call you a right-winger, a Teahadist, a racist...

[DevonRex]

90. LOL!!!!!!!! You poor thing.

ETA: Bless your heart, hon.

[Arctic Dave]

104. Like

[dionysus]

126. here now, let me help you to the fainting couch. you must be exhausted after that little tantrum.

[DevonRex]

127. Seriously. Perhaps there are more pristine people he'd rather hang around, too.

Maybe DU just isn't the place for him. What with all these differing opinions and all to sully his mind.

[NoPasaran]

35. To the Snowden cultists, please continue displaying your insane paranoia

It's very entertaining.

[SidDithers]

40. +1...nt

Sid

[leftynyc]

52. LOL - so true

At this point I just laugh at the snowden worship.

[flamingdem]

71. +1 and keep reading those pamphlets!

[Scurrilous]

72. LOL

I'm getting paid to be entertained. What could be better.

[DevonRex]

92. Backscatter called us SCUM down below! Isn't that great?

Jury even let that one stand.

[backscatter712]

122. The Snowden-bashers here are such babies.

They spend weeks on character assassination, bullying, verbally-assaulting anyone disagreeing with their propaganda, and making DU suck, but when someone punches back, they go wailing and crying to the juries.

They've got the fastest fingers on the alert button in the West.

The hypocrisy is hilarious!

[pnwmom]

36. What about the Snowden skeptics? Is someone paying them, too?

Is everyone who doesn't worship at his feet being paid by unknown sources?

[allin99]

37. Ever see The Handmaids Tale? there's a scene where when they tell all the few women...

left on earth who can give birth that the guy killed a pregnant woman? (when in reality was he was trying to stop the gov't holding the women captive).

The're all enprisoned and in some sort of yard, being held so they can be given to men to impregnant them. the official makes an announcement than a man they're presenting killed a pregnant woman, they start getting enraged with anger and the official throws the guy into the pit and the enranged women all attack him.

That scene is a perfect illustration of their behavior. lol.

[ProSense]

38. Carl Bernstein: Greenwald 'out of line' (updated)

Carl Bernstein: Greenwald 'out of line' (updated)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023261520

[reformist2]

39. If they can come up with new howlers like the "ballerina abandoner" accusation, I'll be OK with that

[el_bryanto]

41. To all the people who disagree with me - pleas shut up.

Go participate on some other board, because your wrong opinions aren't welcome here. There's only one way to look at the Snowden situation and I've got it. So either get on board or get on board . . . the train out of here!

Bryant

[COLGATE4]

45. K&R. In a nutshell. nt

[MineralMan]

47. Wait...that sounds like authoritarianism, somehow.

Ironic, isn't it?

[Whisp]

43. You are not the boss of me or anyone else here.

So keep your advice of what I can say or cannot say.

Oh, and Fuck Ron Paul and the Libertarian horses like GG and Snowy he rode in on.

[Rowdyboy]

46. What Whisp said but with extra emphahsis on "Fuck Ron Paul"

[greatauntoftriplets]

74. Don't forget -- Fuck Rand Paul!

God help us all, he likely will run for president.

[JoePhilly]

48. It is NOT about Snowden (except when it is about Snowden).

IS not!

IS!

IS not!

IS!

[Octafish]

49. First and Fourth amendments are what make Democracy possible.

The ability to speak, publish and meet with whom we want in freedom, and be secure in that our thoughts, are why the Constitution was ratified. Why? The nation's founders realized that if the minority could not hold and express ideas contrary to the majority, the only ideas considered would be the obvious.

[Broward]

54. The display of the authoritarian apologists

on this message board is representative of the dangers the Founders tried to protect against. This authoritarian mindset exists across all times and places.

[Octafish]

57. Your name Samuel Adams?

Because you think like him:

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

Thank you, Broward! Long time thanks, standing up to privilege going back 237 years now...

[SidDithers]

50. OK, Chris Crocker...nt

Sid

[intaglio]

53. I do not hate him, I regard him as a distraction, a publicity seeker

used by M$M to attack a successful and effective Democratic President.

I do think there have been a host of headless chickens posting and displaying their ignorance about the realities of public and private information.

[karynnj]

58. To all Snowden sycophants, shop displaying your hatred of government for 2 minutes

Last edited Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:42 AM - Edit history (1)

1) Arguing that Snowden broke the law is NOT hatred of Snowden
2) Arguing that releasing classified information that explicitly details how the US looks for terrorists before they attack is not good, These issues have been argued in Congress and the basic outline was known and passed by Congress. If you think it unconstitutional, form an organisation and take it to court,
3) Remember that he did not stop at speaking of the surveillance programs, He went to China and then Russia taking 4 laptops with what he said were volumes of classified information. This is an action that is incredibly reckless. Note that his mentor Greenwald speaks of the content of that being something that could hurt the US more than any release of classified information in the past.
4) JUST from what he has released has harmed Obama and his worldwide diplomatic initatives - maybe especially a just started effort to get agreement with China on intellectual property rights and hackiing.

I do not "hate" Snowden, I think he is a very arrogant, naive person, with enormous skill in ONE area - computers. He is harming the Democratic party - and aiding the RW Paul faction. I don't see how this helps the country in any way. As to the issues, every time FISA and other things have come up, the law has been modified to add restraints. Wyden and others are FAR better heroes on this issue than Snowden, who did not bother to go to Wyden -- or even Rand Paul!
This is an issue that could be addressed within the government.

[AZ Progressive]

97. Hatred of government? More propaganda

So we as Americans have to accept a corrupt government that sometimes throws bones to us, but is ultimately trying to undermine America as we know it and make life more dangerous for so many of us? Are we as Americans supposed to accept a government that bullshits us and treats us like children, with doublespeak, outright lying, taking us for fools, and taking advantage of the weaknesses of human nature, and pretending to work for us while they try to pass things like the Trans Pacific Partnership? And then our government expects us to have blind loyalty as a result?

I don't think anyone here hates government, we hate it that government is not truly being a government OF, FOR, and BY the people.

[karynnj]

118. What do trade treaties have to do with this?

That is a totally different issue from what record collection and analysis is acceptable. Nor am I speaking of blind acceptance of the administration or t

What I do see is that the government cannot backup and say that Snowden's taking classified data and releasing it was acceptable. There should be a strong deterrent to releasing classified information.

[treestar]

120. +1

Good post

[Vinnie From Indy]

62. Cheers!

[randome]

64. No hate. No evidence. No hero.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[brooklynite]

68. "Two Minutes Hate"

I work for a public transit agency and I don't hate Edward Snowden.

I just think he should be tried for the charges he's accused of.

But, thanks for adding some new hyperbole. "Fascism" and "Police State" was getting a little tiring.

[DevonRex]

75. Are you proud of the hate against fellow DUers you invited and inspired in this thread?

I just net you are. It's sick. Do you see the names people are calling your fellow DUers? Does it please you? Or are you a little ashamed of what you started?

[sheshe2]

78. +1! nt

[AZ Progressive]

94. Oh please, Snowden haters ARE promoting hate, stop with trying to impose double standards

You don't expect an action without a reaction. Don't try to sell me bullshit and get away with it.

[DevonRex]

95. Oh you poor thing. Snowden is NOT a member here. WE ARE. SO take your namecalling

somewhere else. We've been called MENTALLY ILL, CULTISTS, AUTHORITARIAN TOOLS, IDIOT TOOLS, MINDLESS TOOLS, and SCUM WHO SHOULD BE TOMBSTONED immediately - among other things, right in this very thread.
I forgot USEFUL DINGBATS.

[AZ Progressive]

99. Believe what you want in your own little world

Fact is that a bunch of you are constantly trying to get everyone to participate in the hatred of Snowden and Greenwald. YOU are being the aggressors, the one that wants to impose YOUR opinions on everyone else. Don't come and play victim here, and don't expect an action without a reaction (someone calling you on your BS.)

[quinnox]

100. I don't think Devon is one of those who have been posting those type threads

I have to say, they really aren't the ones who have been posting those threads you are talking about. I'm not sure I have even seen them in many of those threads, though I don't look at all of them. But that said, they shouldn't be taking this thread so personally, either.

[AZ Progressive]

101. Notice that I said "a bunch of you"

I cannot name names for TOS reasons.

[quinnox]

102. yea, I know the ones you are talking about

who keep posting the same kinds of character assassination threads and trash. But I was just saying I don't think this poster you were replying to is one of them. Anyway, maybe people should calm down a tad. Taking things personally is not a good thing to do on a political discussion board.

[Corruption Inc]

76. They are mentally ill, they can't help themselves

Most are Rs anyway.

[KittyWampus]

83. Kick… hello newbie.

[DevonRex]

84. Yeah. Our fellow DUers think that's a fine thing to say. Doesn't

that make you feel wonderful and welcome here?

[KittyWampus]

86. this entire thread, and the fact it was never locked, is fascinating in a train wreck sort of way.

[DevonRex]

91. Just goes to show the hosts agree with it.

Skinner doesn't give a shit. And my credit card won't be used on DU again.

[Bobbie Jo]

117. Nailed that one. nt

[dionysus]

125. just wait till Manning gets sentenced, or if they ever catch Snowden...

they'll have a collective stroke and be quiet for like, 5 minutes maybe...

[dionysus]

124. who were you last go round?

[sheshe2]

81. Will someone please just let me know

when ya'll go back to " It's not about Snowed-in"~

Thanks in advance...

[Skraxx]

82. "It's pretty obvious who you are working for.." LOL!

Is it now? The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

[AZ Progressive]

93. I find it interesting how noone els here cares about Obama and the NSA breaking their oath...

to defend the constitution. Very telling.

[DemocratsForProgress]

108. And of course you could have started a thread on that topic,

which might have been productive and useful, but you started this thread instead. Very telling.

[Summer Hathaway]

109. How did Herman's Hermits get involved here?

Noone?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

105. I don't hate him. I just want him in prison.

He committed a very serious crime. We'll also hold people accou table for NSA excesses as well.

[AZ Progressive]

106. BTW, I bet you all think I'm an Edward Snowden supporter, but I never really said so

I've been criticizing the deflection of attention away from the NSA Spying on Americans issue, which looks blatantly like a propaganda attempt from the establishment. NSA Spying on Americans is FAR more important than whether or not Edward Snowden is a traitor.

Even then, the accusations that I hear about Snowden being a traitor are petty, UNLESS he releases things like information on spies and other things. None of what Edward Snowden has released so far has "aided the enemy." Snowden disclosing information on spying on Europeans is not treason because the Europeans are not our enemy.

I find it somewhat concerning, somewhat amusing of the highly suspicious methods that are being used to attack Snowden. If you guys are propagandists then you really suck in making it look believeable. The hatefest mentality just doesn't fly well in DU.

[AZ Progressive]

107. Oh, and probably quite a few Snowden supporters here find the campy style

of the Snowden / Greenwald attacks amusing and entertaining.

[AZ Progressive]

112. And the funny thing is that if the Snowden haters didn't respond to this thread...

...they could have just let it get buried quickly, but since they've been posting here, they've been giving my comments a lot of exposure...

[era veteran]

116. You are as full of shit as you are full of yourself.

Name calling is a poor debate technique.
If the traitor Snowden was a man he would not run to our geopolitical enemies.
You make me sick with your 'certainties' about him and others.
Grow up, another example of the degradation of DU.

[randome]

119. I'm only posting this now because someone else kicked it.

But the 'funny thing' (how strange your sense of humor) is that you are all over this thread kicking it over and over again and denying that you encourage a free-for-all on DU.

This thread is nothing but an excuse to vilify others. If you can't debate on the merits of something, perhaps you should refrain from posting. (Unless you have a cute kitteh pic or something.)

This thread contributes nothing to DU.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[shawn703]

121. Nice broad brush there

Sometimes it's just as simple as whether or not some of us feel people trusted with top secret information about foreign surveillance should be allowed to disclose that information to the foreign countries being surveilled. The "their crime is worse than his crime so we shouldn't prosecute his crime" is a joke. His crime should be prosecuted as well as every other crime.