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mzmolly

(50,992 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 03:37 AM Jul 2013

Christopher Darden Believes There May Be Justice Yet for Trayvon ~ Daily Beast

“The struggle continues, our work isn’t over,” were the words of Melissa Harris-Perry an hour after the not-guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman trial. I agree. Work within the African-American community, work within the criminal-justice system and work on a national level to further the debate over racial profiling, civil rights and “stand-your-ground” laws must continue. The power of racial profiling and the power of the gun lobby is a lethal combination in America.



Averri Liggins, 22, of Atlanta, chants while holding a picture of Trayvon Martin during a protest on July 14, 2013, in Atlanta. (David Goldman/AP)

As a former prosecutor, I never would have brought the Zimmerman case to court. There was a high burden of proof giving way to reasonable doubt. That said, as an African-American, I know it was a victory just putting Zimmerman on trial.

No doubt, there will be a civil suit, and Zimmerman will have to testify. The outcome may echo OJ Simpson’s civil trial, in which he was forced to testify and was found guilty.
(I was on the prosecution team in the Simpson criminal case.) Today, the NAACP wrote a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder requesting that the government prosecute Zimmerman under the Civil Rights Act. So truth and justice might be found for Trayvon Martin—in several other courts of law.

Yet I still believe in the criminal-justice system, as I did after the Simpson verdict. The OJ case polarized America, dividing us among hard racial lines. African-Americans felt justified supporting OJ as a “payback” for all the profound injustices we have suffered at the hands of the criminal justice system. But OJ Simpson was the wrong poster child for that righteous campaign. He was no hero, framed by the police. He was a cold-blooded killer, guilty of a gruesome double murder. ..........

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Christopher Darden Believes There May Be Justice Yet for Trayvon ~ Daily Beast (Original Post) mzmolly Jul 2013 OP
"As a former prosecutor, I never would have brought the Zimmerman case to court." n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #1
I know.. that part seemed weird to me. Cha Jul 2013 #3
that strikes me as odd too Skittles Jul 2013 #4
it would have been an easy conviction of Trayvon was not black JI7 Jul 2013 #5
Yep. mzmolly Jul 2013 #14
No, sadly, and I say this as someone who believes Zimmerman was guilty of murder 1... Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #21
That is an odd sentiment mzmolly Jul 2013 #22
"OJ was the wrong poster child for Cha Jul 2013 #2
+1 JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #8
Thanks Cha. mzmolly Jul 2013 #12
I was not impressed by the prosecution's performance mazzarro Jul 2013 #6
Their story was shaky enough as it was... Pelican Jul 2013 #7
The story they should have told, and stuck with, was a kid minding his own business all american girl Jul 2013 #10
The proof was watered mzmolly Jul 2013 #13
In what way? Pelican Jul 2013 #15
Coons vs. punks mzmolly Jul 2013 #16
It is clearly punks... Pelican Jul 2013 #18
Wrong. nt. polly7 Jul 2013 #19
Nope. mzmolly Jul 2013 #20
the prosecution was incompetent qazplm Jul 2013 #11
They had a tough case with mega gun lobby bucks mzmolly Jul 2013 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #9

Cha

(297,196 posts)
3. I know.. that part seemed weird to me.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 04:08 AM
Jul 2013

Wonder if it would have been better to just bring it as a charge of Manslaughter?

Fucking Zimmerman.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
5. it would have been an easy conviction of Trayvon was not black
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 04:36 AM
Jul 2013

the trial was a joke, especially the defense. but because of racism people will believe any negative said about the black person.

but i'm thinking darden wants to avoid discussing this part , at least for now.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
21. No, sadly, and I say this as someone who believes Zimmerman was guilty of murder 1...
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jul 2013

Race aside, it was ALWAYS going to be a basically impossible conviction. This is one of those cases -- and police encounter them every day -- in which everyone knows what really happened but you just cannot prove it. The only thing they had going for them were Zimmerman's many often contradictory statements which cast doubt on his credibility, but ultimately all anyone really knows is that Zimmerman followed him, they eventually met and a fight broke out, Zimmerman was slightly injured and Martin was killed.

Now as I said, I believe Zimmerman actually committed murder one. I believe this based on the 911 tape. If you listen to this, and know what you are listening for, it is nothing more than Zimmerman reciting a checklist for a "justified" shoot. Anyone who has had some law enforcement training would know this list. Zimmerman was setting the entire thing up right there, and in my opinion he was PLANNING on blowing Martin away right there on the street, with the 911 operator in the background. But Martin ran.

Based on their questions in follow up interviews I believe the law enforcement shares this opinion.

In my opinion, Zimmerman is a sociopath. Note as well how eager he was to share his wildly varying stories. He's comforatable lying his ass off -- he invents his own reality as he goes along, and doesn't feel even the slightest concern when that invented reality fails to match the physical evidence in front of him or the stories he has told in the past.

But there it is. Can you prove it? Nope. Can you prove that Zimmerman wasn't jumped by Martin? Nope -- it's ludicrous, it's obviously unbelievable, but you can't prove it. And since you cannot prove it, that's it. There's nothing there. All the following and stalking and running, all the stories and fanciful claims, all of that goes out the window.

mzmolly

(50,992 posts)
22. That is an odd sentiment
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:37 PM
Jul 2013

IMO, as well. He likely made that remark due to the conflicting witness testimony etc.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
2. "OJ was the wrong poster child for
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 04:06 AM
Jul 2013

Last edited Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:30 AM - Edit history (2)

that righteous campaign. He was no hero, framed by the police. He was a cold-blooded killer, guilty of a gruesome double murder." Exactly. But, look what happened to him after he was freed by the jury. He's in prison. , and, I'm probably not the only one who was glad he got sent to prison for something else. Evidently, there was no reasonable doubt that time.

Not that it means it will happen to Zimmerman but with the mentality he's displayed in his past and with Trayvon Martin and afterwards.. he's going to have to make a 180 change or his anger and ignorance are going to keep on boiling over.

[font size=lg]"The media did not make this case a race case. The family of Trayvon Martin did not make this a race case. George Zimmerman did."[/font]

At the press conference, after the verdict, Zimmerman’s defense team was deplorable. Those lawyers felt the need to spike the football with no regard for the death of Trayvon or the grief of the Martin family. They chose not to acknowledge the killing of this teenage child.

Sickening.

Mahalo, mzmolly.. excellent piece from Chris Darden

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
6. I was not impressed by the prosecution's performance
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 05:52 AM
Jul 2013
"Within the legal community, many feel the Zimmerman trial’s prosecution team was never really in the game. The prosecutors did not have a consistent story to tell the jury, and they shied away from race." and so is Christopher Darden as well.
 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
7. Their story was shaky enough as it was...
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:02 AM
Jul 2013

... what concrete proof should they have offered that race was a motivating factor?

It would have just come off as desperate, just like it does now.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
10. The story they should have told, and stuck with, was a kid minding his own business
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:39 AM
Jul 2013

and a man staring, following in a car, and following on foot. Stranger danger was that was needed to be said...over and over again. Trayvon did what we teach our kids and he was murdered for doing what we tell our kids.

qazplm

(3,626 posts)
11. the prosecution was incompetent
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:41 AM
Jul 2013

from start to finish. They made so many 101 mistakes.

I think it was simple incompetence.

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