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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:34 AM Jul 2013

The 5 Biggest Obscenities of Capitalism Today

http://www.alternet.org/economy/5-biggest-obscenities-capitalism-today



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1. The Market Works. Just Wait.

Capitalists have a remarkable capacity for groundless trust in the efficiency and egalitarianism of the free market. It started with Milton Friedman's contention that "The free market system distributes the fruits of economic progress among all people." Then on to 1998, when the New York Times cheered the breakup of the Glass-Steagall Act as having "temporarily demolished the increasingly unnecessary walls built during the Depression to separate commercial banks from investment banks and insurance companies." Post-crash, in 2009 and thereafter, the capitalists noticed cracks in the foundation, but relied on self-correction. Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein assured us that "The financial system may have led us into the crisis but it will lead us out," and the Chicago Tribune echoed his sentiment: "Western-style private enterprise, despite its penchant for booms and busts, will lead the world out of the mess it led the world into."


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2. Taxes: Who Needs Them?

"Zero!" said Honeywell CEO David Cote when asked what the corporate tax rate should be. Misinformation about taxes may have started with Arthur Laffer's napkin demonstration, which convinced Republicans for nearly forty years that lower taxes alchemistically result in higher revenues. Wealthy capitalists have come to believe that everyone benefits from tax avoidance. Said Charles Koch: "I believe my business and non-profit investments are much more beneficial to societal well-being than sending more money to Washington."

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3. Global Warming is a Hoax

According to Republican Senator James Inhofe, it's "the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people." He would go on to reflect, "My point is, God’s still up there. The arrogance of people to think that we, human beings, would be able to change what He is doing in the climate is to me outrageous." Rick Santorum called environmentalism "one of the favorite tricks of the left," and Fox News reported that "Global Warming Stopped 16 Years Ago."

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4. Students Are Our Finest Product

The big names produce the biggest absurdities. A well-intentioned Bill Gates proposes quality control for the student assembly line, with video footage from the classrooms sent to evaluators to check off teaching skills.
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The 5 Biggest Obscenities of Capitalism Today (Original Post) xchrom Jul 2013 OP
And our number one reason we have to worry about the demise of the human race. gtar100 Jul 2013 #1
You forgot number five, dude. Socialistlemur Jul 2013 #2
would you like some more kool-aid? xchrom Jul 2013 #3
It doesn't have to be "either/or". HughBeaumont Jul 2013 #4
Things are not always black and white. livingonearth Jul 2013 #5
They are, to conservatives. Thor_MN Jul 2013 #10
Yes. +1 snort Jul 2013 #15
Here you go. reteachinwi Jul 2013 #12
Capitalism in it's un-regulated state will eat itself as is evident right now. rainy Jul 2013 #13
You ain't gonna do it under capitalism then.... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #20
Read the article, dude. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #17
Everyone please watch the latest Frontline: Two American Families. reformist2 Jul 2013 #6
+1 xchrom Jul 2013 #7
+1 more! lastlib Jul 2013 #9
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #8
Natural gas and methane release 4 more years Jul 2013 #11
Cattle and hog farms are some of the largest/worst methane producers IrishAyes Jul 2013 #22
"America's most productive eras were driven by progressive taxes that funded entrepreneurship in the pampango Jul 2013 #14
+1 xchrom Jul 2013 #16
Democratic Socialism dotymed Jul 2013 #18
In short, Easter Island coming Hydra Jul 2013 #19
#4 - Students are our finest product IrishAyes Jul 2013 #21

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
1. And our number one reason we have to worry about the demise of the human race.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:11 AM
Jul 2013

The capitalist mentality has a complete disregard for the intricate balance of nature and what makes all this possible in the first place. My hope is that these hard lessons somehow are not forgotten. But that may take the lifetime of who knows how many universes. Or maybe life isn't so cruel elsewhere. I'm not holding my breath but I like to think that somewhere some planet actually got it right. Because it's looking more and more that we won't before it's too late.

Socialistlemur

(770 posts)
2. You forgot number five, dude.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:14 AM
Jul 2013

I really like these lists when they fall short. Especially when they link unrelated subjects and build strawmen. I can list other problems associated with capitalism which need attention so it can be improved. I can't see how communism can be made to work, period. I guess one issue many forget is that Karl Marx is obsolete. And I'd say he was disconnected from reality.

Regarding the comment about markets, of course they are flawed. But a flawed market works much better than a dozen central planners sitting in Moscow or Beijing telling the country how many lightbulbs it needs.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
4. It doesn't have to be "either/or".
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:36 AM
Jul 2013

Today's "Capitalists" aren't exactly making a great case for the "corruption" they insist is the problem being a "bug" and not a "feature".

livingonearth

(728 posts)
5. Things are not always black and white.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:39 AM
Jul 2013

There is plenty of middle ground between total all out capitalism and communism, but the right wing wants us to believe the only other choice is full- blown communism. This is part of the reason things don't get better. Things can't even get discussed without someone going into a panic.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
10. They are, to conservatives.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:45 AM
Jul 2013

They see the world in black/white, good/evil, with us/against us. Everything is 100% right or 100% wrong (and if it isn't their idea, it's 100% wrong.) "Success" is that which benefits them directly, there are no derived benefits from someone else succeeding. Which is one of the biggest problems, "Trickle Down"/"Supply Side" policy has been enormously successful for the most wealthy, therefore it is 100% successful. If your goal is concentrating wealth for yourself (and you had a shitload to start with) Reaganomics is absolutely fantastic and you will fight tooth and nail for it.

They are blind to the real world, with it's shades of all colors.

 

reteachinwi

(579 posts)
12. Here you go.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:48 AM
Jul 2013

5. Money Can't Buy Me Gov

Deception, delusion, denial. Capitalists have completed all the steps of their free-market program. Billionaire Kenneth Griffin believes that the wealthy "have an insufficient influence" on politics today. The Chicago Tribune concurs: "What's so terrible about the infusion of so much money into the presidential campaign?......that's not a bug but a feature...it's the sound of democracy."

It's a little like having an obscene gesture thrust in your face...

dude

rainy

(6,323 posts)
13. Capitalism in it's un-regulated state will eat itself as is evident right now.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:50 AM
Jul 2013

We can build a true-cost economy where growth is not the only goal. Constant economic growth is destroying the planet for the sake of profit over conserving vital natural resources.
The earth can't sustain constant growth and the profiteers are not paying for the damage they are doing to people's health and their planet.

mountain grammy

(29,196 posts)
17. Read the article, dude.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 10:02 AM
Jul 2013

Number 5: Money can't buy me gov.

The "free" market bullshit should be buried with Milton Freedman.

Suggest you read "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein, it might open your eyes.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
6. Everyone please watch the latest Frontline: Two American Families.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:16 AM
Jul 2013

Quite depressing, but it's must see TV. I don't think anyone who watches it could seriously wave the flag for "free-market" capitalism ever again.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/two-american-families/

4 more years

(101 posts)
11. Natural gas and methane release
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:48 AM
Jul 2013

Methane release has a tipping point. Once we cross that point it's over. Sad to say Exon- Mobil could care less . Wake the fuck up folks.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
22. Cattle and hog farms are some of the largest/worst methane producers
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 04:56 PM
Jul 2013

At least a few of those farmers are figuring out how to harness all that wasted energy and use it to run their operations, but I don't know but what too much still winds up in the atmosphere.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
14. "America's most productive eras were driven by progressive taxes that funded entrepreneurship in the
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:51 AM
Jul 2013

middle class. And they fail to see the deficiencies in a system that relies solely on profit-making to the exclusion of social responsibility."

BTW, number 5 is (for those who don't click on the link):

5. Money Can't Buy Me Gov

Deception, delusion, denial. Capitalists have completed all the steps of their free-market program. Billionaire Kenneth Griffin believes that the wealthy "have an insufficient influence" on politics today. The Chicago Tribune concurs: "What's so terrible about the infusion of so much money into the presidential campaign?......that's not a bug but a feature...it's the sound of democracy."

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
18. Democratic Socialism
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 10:45 AM
Jul 2013

SEEMS to be a much better system than free market capitalism. Bernie Sanders, the senator who has always put people first, adheres to this philosophy and his consistent work to help people over the decades has earned my respect.
I think that all but the greediest among us recognize that free market capitalism ( a misnomer because there are no free markets, monopolies yes) is a terrible system that only benefits those who have no problem with taking advantage of others. I am disabled and retired, I could still make good profits if I were to use my skills and hire people for a non-living wage and oversee their work.

As far as we know, we have one life. I do not want to live mine taking advantage of people. Basically in America, that is the only way to accumulate wealth. That is why I am not wealthy.

IF "we" ( and it can only be accomplished when the masses refuse to participate in this system) choose another system (like Democratic Socialism which seems to be a much more fair economic system) we will have to remain vigilant because the greedy, self-serving will always be with us.
IMO, that is what happened to capitalism. Even though it is based on taking advantage of inequalities among people, FDR did much to
equalize and restrain corporations from owning and abusing us.

"We" did not remain vigilant (often because of political party affiliations, "he/she is a Democrat and would never put corporate America first&quot and now we find that the only thing lacking is the bar-code on our bodies.

The approximately 80% of us who have been harmed in some way by unfettered capitalism, should IMO create a political party whose platform is people before profits. I see this as the very least we can do for ourselves.
Sadly, there has been no majority attempt at this. We seem to be restrained by the (corporate) voices that tell us "if you don't vote for the dlc candidate, we will have republican rule."

Yes, currently there seems to be only two choices. It usually boils down to the lesser of two evils, which is still evil.

"We the people" have some choices to make and if we choose to change the current system, we have a lot of hard work to do.
Sadly, we do not seem inclined to make the difference and we keep hoping that something will change. We are the only ones who can change it and the timetable keeps getting smaller if we hope to do it peacefully.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
19. In short, Easter Island coming
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:35 PM
Jul 2013

And none of us can say we didn't see it coming.

We also can't say we could have stopped it- the 1% seem bent on consuming or destroying everything so no one else can have it.

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