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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWAPO: For NSA chief, terrorist threat drives passion to ‘collect it all,’ observers say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/for-nsa-chief-terrorist-threat-drives-passion-to-collect-it-all/2013/07/14/3d26ef80-ea49-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html
His successes have won accolades from political leaders of both parties as well as from counterterrorism and intelligence professionals who say the NSA chiefs efforts have helped foil dozens of terrorist attacks. His approach also has drawn attack from civil rights groups and a bipartisan group of lawmakers. One Democrat who confronted Alexander at a congressional hearing last month accused the NSA of crossing a line by collecting the cellphone records of millions of Americans.
What authorization gave you the grounds for acquiring my cellphone data? demanded Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), waving his mobile phone at the four-star general.
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He is absolutely obsessed and completely driven to take it all, whenever possible, said Thomas Drake, a former NSA official and whistleblower. The continuation of Alexanders policies, Drake said, would result in the complete evisceration of our civil liberties.
Alexander frequently points out that collection programs are subject to oversight by Congress as well as the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, although the proceedings of both bodies are shrouded in secrecy. But even his defenders say Alexanders aggressiveness has sometimes taken him to the outer edge of his legal authority.
Glenn Greenwald comments:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/15/crux-nsa-collect-it-all
"One Democrat who confronted Alexander at a congressional hearing last month accused the NSA of crossing a line by collecting the cellphone records of millions of Americans.
'What authorization gave you the grounds for acquiring my cellphone data?' demanded Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), waving his mobile phone at the four-star general."
I know this is not as exciting to some media figures as Snowden's asylum drama or his speculated personality traits. But that the NSA is collecting all forms of electronic communications between Americans as well as people around the world - and, as I've said many times, thereby attempting by definition to destroy any remnants of privacy both in the US and globally - is as serious of a story as it gets, particularly given that it's all being done in secret.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)hootinholler
(26,451 posts)Slurp up all the phone calls that cross your wire and later you can burp out details.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:33 PM - Edit history (1)
hootinholler
(26,451 posts)I've been trying to get people to say slurp and burp. My photoshop skills are worse than none, plus I'm at work.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)answer: "the outer edge of his legal authority"
In other words, totally illegal.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)By Chris Hedges
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/locking_out_the_voices_of_dissent_20130714/#.UeP97O_SMMs.twitter
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Until recently, few Americans had heard of the FISA court. Yet this federal body, created by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 and expanded under the PATRIOT Act, wields tremendous power. FISA requires the government to obtain a judicial warrant prior to commencing particular kinds of intelligence operations within the United States, and the FISA court is empowered to provide these warrants. FISA court judges decide whether the government can tap phone calls, access business records and sweep up a wide array of data that can be used to map the contours of our daily lives. After the court rules, its findings are almost never made public. Americans whose privacy may be compromised by FISA court rulings cannot read those rulings, much less contest or appeal them.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/fisa-court-process-must-be-unveiled-94127.html#ixzz2Z7n4UTCx
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Apparently, it is not as exciting to most DUers either.
hootinholler
(26,451 posts)At some point we will hit a critical mass, and we will hopefully have something like the Plame threads happen.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023262084
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