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Yeah, at least one juror is a POS (Original Post) Blackford Jul 2013 OP
Well, then their anonymity is bound to be breached and they will have to own up to their ignorance hlthe2b Jul 2013 #1
More about B37 Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #2
Yeah, I'd figure CCW holders would look out for their own... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #4
Just watch it happen right here on DU Blackford Jul 2013 #5
I might have expected her to favor the prosecution Shrek Jul 2013 #7
That's also what I had expected Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #11
i have known a few animal rights people who were racist, Brigitte Bardot is a famous one JI7 Jul 2013 #48
this must be one of the ones that the prosecution tried to remove but wasn't able to JI7 Jul 2013 #45
Why do you find my point unbelievable? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #51
I remember hearing that one juror customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #63
And from what I just heard on Lawrence O'Donnell, B37 should never have chemenger Jul 2013 #68
All six of them are POS. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2013 #3
Get a grip. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #15
I'm also gripping the fact they are all pieces of shit. n/t Whisp Jul 2013 #17
I, too, have a firm grip on that fact. ..nt TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #23
That Might Fly In The PD Dude Not Here On DU HangOnKids Jul 2013 #39
You never change pintobean Jul 2013 #40
Yep. Apophis Jul 2013 #24
Yep. And likely more books to come from Zimmerman's scumbag lawyers and Zimmy himself quinnox Jul 2013 #6
As much as I am against book burning, I will make avebury Jul 2013 #8
What's wrong with writing a book about it? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #9
Well, when it's been revealed you are a CCW carrying racist who thought the demonstrations Blackford Jul 2013 #10
I take it you want to do away with the First Amendment? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #16
Oh good grief Blackford Jul 2013 #19
Yet you are solidly against her writing a book. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #22
"Writing a book" isn't the bad part. Dawgs Jul 2013 #28
What is wrong with selling the book? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #29
We are blessed to have you here to point that out! Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #55
Wow, way to make stuff up Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #61
sounds like you might be anxious to grab a copy quinnox Jul 2013 #18
No. Wait until it is on deep discount due to lack of sales. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #21
"Make money while it is there to be made." -- how Ayn Randian. VOX Jul 2013 #66
May be an unpopular opinion, TDale313 Jul 2013 #12
I am very curious as to what happened in the jury room, but I wouldn't feel good PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #52
No, and that's why I said I won't be buying it. TDale313 Jul 2013 #54
If there is enough biographical data about the others customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #64
Why would you get flamed for a fair assessment? Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #57
Thank you. TDale313 Jul 2013 #59
What an intemperate OP. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #13
Do some research on this POS Blackford Jul 2013 #14
She is a POS! Completely pompous, self-serving and full of shit! This comment from the TPM article.. Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #58
Here's an additional tidbit that is, to say the very least, interesting... Spazito Jul 2013 #20
That's easy to answer. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #27
Uh huh, every juror's husband has a 'high ranking producer' on their speed dial I am sure.... Spazito Jul 2013 #30
I doubt that the call was on a Sunday. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #32
The speed dial I refer to is the one to the 'high profile producer' who was the one who... Spazito Jul 2013 #33
Same logic applies. All he had to do was identify himself... GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #37
Your post does not address the point I have made... Spazito Jul 2013 #38
I have told you how to instantly gain that kind of access. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #49
I think this has become an exercise in futility... Spazito Jul 2013 #50
there was a failed effort to pass a law in Florida that would restrict jurors from writing books onenote Jul 2013 #25
I don't think that makes a person a POS BainsBane Jul 2013 #26
No, I would not seek to profit off the dead body of anyone... Spazito Jul 2013 #31
"married to an attorney" should have disqualified her. grasswire Jul 2013 #34
Absolutely! ..nt TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #36
You can see how well O'Mara played his hand customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #65
Were Chris Darden and Marcia Clark "pieces of shit" for writing books about the OJ trial? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #35
Were they on the jury? n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #41
They were the prosecutors, but this guy was on the jury: Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #43
OP was about jury members specifically n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #46
I don't think it's fair to condemn the jury like this. Marr Jul 2013 #42
Nothing wrong with this LittleBlue Jul 2013 #44
was this one of the Jurors ? JI7 Jul 2013 #47
Its not enough to have the Bagger-Humper-Zimmerman-Alcolytes lecture "the rest of us"... Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #53
"5 books from jurors who cashed in on their court cases" nyquil_man Jul 2013 #56
after publication the next stop ... 99 Cent Store, as a "twofer". nt Raine Jul 2013 #60
All these jurors should spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders mwrguy Jul 2013 #62
I personally think there should be a mandatory waiting period laundry_queen Jul 2013 #67

hlthe2b

(106,456 posts)
1. Well, then their anonymity is bound to be breached and they will have to own up to their ignorance
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jul 2013

and biases.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
2. More about B37
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:36 PM
Jul 2013
B-37 is a white woman who volunteers rescuing animals. She is married to an attorney and has two adult children. She said she and her husband used to have concealed weapons permits. During the last round of questioning, she said she had an issue with the type of weapons people are allowed to carry. She also thought weapons' training was inadequate for people seeking permits. "It should become harder," she said.


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/07/13/us/ap-us-neighborhood-watch-jury.html?hp&_r=1&

Shrek

(4,142 posts)
7. I might have expected her to favor the prosecution
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jul 2013

After the defense witness described his gunshot experiments on live animals.

If she volunteers at a rescue that must have bothered her at least a little.

JI7

(90,640 posts)
48. i have known a few animal rights people who were racist, Brigitte Bardot is a famous one
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jul 2013

she is anti gay, racist etc.

but i guess their bigotry is stronger than support for animals.

customerserviceguy

(25,185 posts)
63. I remember hearing that one juror
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:34 PM
Jul 2013

was scribbling away wildly in notebooks. She might not be able to keep them at the end of the trial, but it wouldn't have been too difficult to photograph them, especially if they went with her to a sequestered hotel room. Besides, writing stuff down makes it easier to remember, and she certainly could have done that every night before lights out.

The only problem I have with it is, when was she approached or did the approaching? If it is immediately after the trial, then I suppose I'm OK with it, but I'd sure like someone to investigate that. It certainly could affect the outcome if one were planning that while trying to get on the jury.

chemenger

(1,593 posts)
68. And from what I just heard on Lawrence O'Donnell, B37 should never have
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:24 PM
Jul 2013

been seated on the jury. Sounds like she was biased for the defence from the outset. Listening to Rev. Sharpton now. He's asking questions that must be answered. This was never a trial ... it was a sham right from the start.

I am so angry over this that it has my stomach tied up in knots.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
39. That Might Fly In The PD Dude Not Here On DU
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 03:31 PM
Jul 2013

Do you post in the PD comments? Sounds like your cup of tea.

avebury

(11,074 posts)
8. As much as I am against book burning, I will make
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jul 2013

an exception in this case. Hopefully it will drop to the $1 pile like Palin's book.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
9. What's wrong with writing a book about it?
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jul 2013

I don't see any reason why she shouldn't. I bet she will be busy with a ghost writer and have it out for publication by the end of the month. Make money while it is there to be made.

 

Blackford

(289 posts)
10. Well, when it's been revealed you are a CCW carrying racist who thought the demonstrations
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:50 PM
Jul 2013

demanding a trial were "riots", I guess nothing.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
29. What is wrong with selling the book?
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jul 2013

If the public wants to buy it, that is the decision of many individuals. I think many would like to know what went on in deliberations. Are you one of those who wishes to limit what books the public may buy?

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
21. No. Wait until it is on deep discount due to lack of sales.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jul 2013

I just don't think that there is anything wrong with her writing a book. Many here seem to think that only those with whom they agree should be able to write anything.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
66. "Make money while it is there to be made." -- how Ayn Randian.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:03 PM
Jul 2013

Why not, "Sa'matter, don'tcha like the First Amendment"? (Oh, wait, you used that one.) Try, "It's a free country," or "Why not?" (Wait, you sorta used that one, too.) Maybe "How can it hurt"? or "What's the difference if she does or doesn't"?

Libertarian fail.

TDale313

(7,822 posts)
12. May be an unpopular opinion,
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jul 2013

But I have no problem with any of the jurors writing a book. In fact, while I won't buy it, I will be curious to hear from them. I am heartsick over this verdict, but frankly blame the prosecution, Sanford LE, and the way Florida Self Defense law is written more than the Jury. I'm prepare to get flamed for that.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
52. I am very curious as to what happened in the jury room, but I wouldn't feel good
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jul 2013

about enriching one of the jurors.

customerserviceguy

(25,185 posts)
64. If there is enough biographical data about the others
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:36 PM
Jul 2013

Their lives may be placed in jeopardy by this one, and they'll get squat for it.

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
57. Why would you get flamed for a fair assessment?
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jul 2013

The fact that you are heartsick over the verdict, makes you miles apart from the Zimmerman fans here on DU or anywhere. At least you perceive an inherent injustice in the letter of the law and how it's applied, likely based on a general sense of compassion to the victim at the very least.

That's clearly not where the vocal supporters are coming from.

TDale313

(7,822 posts)
59. Thank you.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jul 2013

Everything about this case has been inherently unjust. I've actually been surprised by how much this case personally outraged and touched me. The fact that it took huge public pressure to even get charges filed was so, so wrong- and may have been part of what hurt the state's case. I guess I just wasn't quite as ready to condemn the Jury without knowing why they decided the way they did and acknowledging that the injustice here was far larger than these six women.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
13. What an intemperate OP.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:54 PM
Jul 2013

I wish the verdict had been different, but prosecutors had a tough row to hoe. The jurors acted on the evidence and the judge's instructions. Other than that, we really don't know what their thought process was.

As for the juror who is signing a book deal, well, that's the American way, isn't it? Profit if you can.

Calling the juror a piece of shit is just kindergarten level, except for its foulness. Maybe you could articulate your complaints more artfully.

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
58. She is a POS! Completely pompous, self-serving and full of shit! This comment from the TPM article..
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jul 2013

...is interesting:

TXfemmom JHoughton1 • 4 hours ago ?

"This woman is the one who took copious notes throughout the thing...often the "experts" wondered how she could really be paying attention as she was so busy writing all the time. She obviously went into the trial intending to make a lot of money off of it and not intending to do the right thing. The law needs to be changed so jurors cannot profit in any way from having served on a jury, to keep ringers off the juries."

Spazito

(54,531 posts)
20. Here's an additional tidbit that is, to say the very least, interesting...
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jul 2013

"The juror contacted Martin on Sunday, “referred by a high ranking producer at one of the morning shows.”" Who has immediate access to a "high ranking producer at one of the morning shows" one has to wonder? Which producer on what network? Who contacted whom? If it was the producer, how did that person know the identity of the juror and if it was the juror or her 'attorney husband' how did they have such immediate access to the 'high ranking producer'?

http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/george-zimmerman-juror-to-write-book_b74138

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
27. That's easy to answer.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:19 PM
Jul 2013

All he had to do was call and identify himself as the attorney husband of one of the Zimmerman jurors and say that he wanted to discuss writing a book about the trial. The staffer would have immediately flagged the call as hot and routed the call to somebody important. Staffers not only screen out junk calls, but they identify important ones.

Some years ago I happened to take a picture that had value as a news picture. I was the only one with a picture of the event. I called the news, told them what I had, they asked me to email a copy, I did, and in just a few minutes of hitting the send button the head of their photo news department was calling me. Sometimes you don't already have to know someone to get their undivided attention.

Spazito

(54,531 posts)
30. Uh huh, every juror's husband has a 'high ranking producer' on their speed dial I am sure....
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:26 PM
Jul 2013

and would feel completely at home in calling them on a Sunday. NOT.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
32. I doubt that the call was on a Sunday.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:30 PM
Jul 2013

Likely as soon as she was selected to be on the jury, the husband began shopping for an agent. The deal would have been concluded well before the verdict was released, except for signatures.

The internet would be useful for finding an excellent literature agent.

No need for speed dial. I didn't have anyone on speed dial when I took that picture.

Spazito

(54,531 posts)
33. The speed dial I refer to is the one to the 'high profile producer' who was the one who...
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:33 PM
Jul 2013

referred the juror to the agent.

"The juror contacted Martin on Sunday, “referred by a high ranking producer at one of the morning shows.”"

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
37. Same logic applies. All he had to do was identify himself...
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 03:08 PM
Jul 2013

...as the husband of a Zimmerman trial juror and he would have been immediately put in contact with someone with some horsepower in the organization. He would not have need to already know the person. Further, I believe that he made that call as soon as he knew that she had been selected. After all, why waste time? The sooner the book is out, the better the sales will be.

Spazito

(54,531 posts)
38. Your post does not address the point I have made...
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jul 2013

which is in relation to the "high ranking producer" who made the recommendation almost immediately after the verdict, sometime between late Saturday night and Sunday. You don't find that kind of immediate access to be, at the very least, worthy of question?

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
49. I have told you how to instantly gain that kind of access.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 05:16 PM
Jul 2013

All you need is a red-hot story, and a high ranking producer will immediately grant you access.

I got immediate access to the head of a photo news department because I had a red-hot picture. It ended up being used by CNN. Without that picture, he would have never spoken to me.

The lawyer was smart enough to know that there would be a demand for a book by his wife, searched the internet for who to sell it to, and started making calls as soon as his wife was selected for the jury.

Spazito

(54,531 posts)
50. I think this has become an exercise in futility...
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jul 2013

You have put forward your point and I, mine. There is not much point in belaboring this any further, it is unlikely we will agree with each other in any substantive way.

onenote

(44,712 posts)
25. there was a failed effort to pass a law in Florida that would restrict jurors from writing books
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:12 PM
Jul 2013

about their jury service (by requiring a "waiting period" before they could publish such a book). It was proposed in response to the Casey Anthony trial. It didn't go anywhere.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-07-14/news/os-florida-juror-proposed-legislation20110714_1_ban-jurors-casey-anthony-orlando-lawmaker

BainsBane

(54,812 posts)
26. I don't think that makes a person a POS
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jul 2013

Wouldn't you take advantage of an opportunity to provide for your family, earn money to put your kids through college?

customerserviceguy

(25,185 posts)
65. You can see how well O'Mara played his hand
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:41 PM
Jul 2013

I figured when it was an all female jury that he wanted that, because he'd play to their fears about getting attacked on a dark street. Most women I know get relatively paranoid about that compared to the men I know. Perhaps we're foolhardy sometimes, but women get the socialization that they're constantly going to be attacked.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
42. I don't think it's fair to condemn the jury like this.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 03:43 PM
Jul 2013

When you're a juror, you really are in a straight jacket. You don't get to decide on your gut, even if you think the truth is blatantly obvious. You have to go by the law, and by the evidence presented.

I don't know if the jury was wrong in its decision or not, but I definitely think these "Stand Your Ground" laws need to be done away with.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
44. Nothing wrong with this
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jul 2013

Thousands of trial followers will want to know the reasoning behind the verdict, and some legal analysts will be interested too. Regardless of whether you thought Zim was guilty or innocent, surely many are interested in how the verdict came about.

I'll be interested in how the jury saw the trial.

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
53. Its not enough to have the Bagger-Humper-Zimmerman-Alcolytes lecture "the rest of us"...
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 05:35 PM
Jul 2013

...now we get to witness the most upright and defining struggle since the Passion of Christ.

All from the Westside of Sanford, Florida.

These people are unrepentant and disgusting. Yuck!

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
56. "5 books from jurors who cashed in on their court cases"
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jul 2013
http://theweek.com/article/index/246890/5-books-from-jurors-who-cashed-in-on-their-court-cases

"Could juror B37's memoir have an impact on our national conversation about race, gun control, and other issues? Judging from these past books written by jurors, we're going to vote no."

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
62. All these jurors should spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jul 2013

just like the racist murderer they set free.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
67. I personally think there should be a mandatory waiting period
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:15 PM
Jul 2013

before a juror can be interviewed or profit of a trial.

I was on a jury but here in Canada I was not allowed to talk about afterwards. What goes on in the jury room, stays in the jury room (I can't remember for how long, but I think, 20 years later, I'm ok).

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