Gordon Humphrey is a vile piece of shit who should NEVER be praised on DU.

[bunnies]

I dont care what side of the Snowden deal you come down on.

Meet Gordon Humphrey, R-NH

Anti-affirmative action
Anti-choice
Anti-equality
Voted against hate crimes legislation
Voted against programs designed to stop the spread of Aids
Voted against earthquake aid for California & victims of hurricane Hugo
Thinks homosexuality is a unacceptable lifestyle
Says gays deserve aids. http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112536569_012.do



re: http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1014539265

Links:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.men/6SHgzLC4biw
http://nhdp.org/blog/2012/07/09/extreme-anti-choice-activist-gordon-humphrey-supports-ovide-lamontagne-for-governor/
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=VU9KAAAAIBAJ&sjid=zJMMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6725%2C8741959
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/26/us/the-california-quake-congress-adopts-disaster-aid-bill.html

[railsback]

1. Too late

He already got his parade of roses here.

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. Do you suppose Greenwald knew who this guy was b/4 he fawned all over him?

[pnwmom]

68. Of course he did. And he was happy to give him the platform. n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

86. Well ..

"Any port in a storm" or maybe, The enemy of my enemy" shall have his sins forgiven ... so long as he advances my argument. Or some stuff like that.

[pgr]

2. Unfortunately

I live in NH and assholes like this clown are everywhere! If it weren't for the liberals who moved up here from MA (as I unfortunately did) this state would be a typical Southern cesspool in New England!

[bunnies]

11. Bullshit.

Ive lived in NH my entire life. Typical southern cesspool my ass.

[Mopar151]

20. Get over yourself, sport..

Conservative republicans in the House put gay marrige over here. We have our share of idiots, and a few left over - but they're NH idiots, and only a few are as charming as the Hump.

[sarge43]

42. Male bovine fecal material

Quick, name the southern state that has passed a same sex marriage law
.
.
.
.
.
.

Thought so.

The only reason you "liberals" shifted here is you're cheap; you like the no income and sales tax break. You could give an obese rodent's hindquarters about the quality of life in NH.

[quinnox]

3. can we at least agree with his statement that what Snowden did was right?

[Whisp]

6. no. Snowden did wrong.

He's a thief and a liar.

RW fuckwads like the named in the OP of course would make Snowden heroic. Thieves and liars that prey on gullibiliity.

[quinnox]

24. Maybe you should make a DU announcement then

Because I see a lot of folk violating your new rule in threads on DU.

[rhett o rick]

40. Your character assassinations play right into the hands of the Republicans. It's their program

he is trying to expose and you are trying to protect. Dont you agree we need to investigate the NSA's relationship with Booz-Allen?

[Raine1967]

72. Thanks for asking, I'm gonna go with no.

What Snowden did wasn't right, IMO. <-- I have issues with the NSA.

That said I'm not gonna fall in love with a fucking hate filled RWNJ just because he agrees with Snowden. Snowden is a damn punk who stole shit becuase we have a system that contracts security clearances.

This guy is a shitehead right winger that should not EVER be celebrated on DU. EVER.

Keerist, this place used to embrace critical thinking, now we are being asked to understand a fucking republican.

[Mopar151]

4. Dump the Hump!

Formerly my senator- yeah, I'm sorry. Voted "Dumbest Man in Washington" during his term. A man not deserving removal from the sole of my barn boot.

[Number23]

8. "Dumbest Man in Washington" supports Snowden. That is just too funny.

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. I see from his bio, he pulled a Norm Coleman on you guys. He claimed to be a "liberal", and then...

went on to lead the Conservative Caucus? I don't think I'd brag about his "support".

[bunnies]

38. Formerly mine too.

Have we had a more abhorrent representative? I think not.

[msanthrope]

83. Since he was in Congress the same time as Dick Armey, that's really saying something...nt

[Mopar151]

101. The Hump is up for the challenge!

Ready to hump his way to depths of teh stupid normally reserved for the end stool at The Side Track Tap.

[stevenleser]

7. ODS makes for strange bedfellows. nt

[JoeyT]

25. Y'all could at least be creative

enough to come up with your own insults instead of just stealing them from right wingers. The people that say "Obama Derangement Syndrome" should be taken exactly as seriously as the people that said "Bush Derangement Syndrome" and for exactly the same reason.

It does make for strange bedfellows though. Just look at all the people waking up next to George Bush and Dick Cheney.

[OnyxCollie]

43. It's not surprising that they steal insults from right wingers.

After all, like right wingers they determine the effectiveness of the President's policies by how much they love him (and we've seen how well a barometer that turned out to be.)

[Galraedia]

46. Right wingers were saying they have ODS?

[JoeyT]

48. Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Which makes it worse, actually. The same people that were pissed as hell when right wingers dismissed their valid criticisms of a president with BDS are perfectly happy to turn around and steal the phrase to dismiss valid criticisms with ODS.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

9. I saw that. The accolades couldn't come fast enough from the usual kooks. nt

[Gman]

10. Absolutism is not how to get things done

You only have to look at what the teabaggers have done to the House to see what absolutism does. If he or any of them are good for a vote, it counts just as much as Sanders' vote

[Tarheel_Dem]

12. Self-Delete. Wrong spot.

[zappaman]

14. Rec and kick! n/t

[babylonsister]

15. Thank you for bringing this to my attention!

I appreciate it!

[Raine1967]

16. People will go to strange lengths to support their narrative.

It's not a good sign for DU.

There is a bad fracture here, and it goes beyond the 'big tent' ideology.

[bunnies]

37. Its beyond strange...

when it comes to praising fuckwits like this. Theres no excuse for it. None.

[Raine1967]

45. Maybe we've finally hit the wall here at DU.

Maybe... I hope this is a place where we see a redirection of course.

When left and right meet in a place like this, I find it highly disturbing. It's not just DU where this is happening, but I post here, and I'm seeing it happen here more and more.

It wasn't the OP that bothered me, it was the comments that defended this right wing Piece of Shit. They defended him in the name of Edward Snowden , Glenn Greenwald and the state of National security.

Something is very, very wrong here.

It seems to me that it is more about something called a 'Cult of Personality'. I'm not joking. If people are actually raising up a 'fuckwit' like this to defend Edward Snowden then we have a problem.

That POS is so far away from anything progressive it isn't even funny. to use him and his words as a way to bolster Snowden is truly beyond the pale.

[Tarheel_Dem]

98. "Something is very, very wrong here."

Could it be this?

"Take a look on Democratic Underground

They have the gov't paid trolls out, trying to limit the outrage & rebellion on there.

If that is the reaction of hard core Dems to the news stories on the NSA, I want to stoke up some more of it.

Lots of traffic on DU.

It's the most popular Dem internet site, except for Huffy Po - where everything meaningful gets censored."

http://www.dailypaul.com/288556/clapper-and-feinstein-get-caught-lying-big-time#comment-3103138

Many Paulites among us, and they make it pretty clear why they're here.

[MotherPetrie]

17. Wow -- Just like Obama has praised Reagan and both Bushes!

You know, the ones who drove this country into the fucking ground. So I wouldn't think they should ever be praised on DU. But I guess that's OK, since it's Obama doing the praising.

[quinnox]

18. shhhhhh

no reality checks allowed in this thread.

[bunnies]

22. This thread IS a reality check. nt

[quinnox]

26. Yes, sir!

[bunnies]

35. Ma'am.

[zappaman]

19. That's a president being presidential.

You know, polite?

But your attempt of equating it to this discussion is funny.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

23. Quite the contortionists, they are. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

30. To former presidents, even.

[bunnies]

21. Yeah. Its JUST like saying gays deserve aids.

Just like it.

[JoeyT]

27. Praising war criminals is awesome.

Reagan also didn't give a rat's ass about AIDS because he thought it was a gay thing.

Praising shitheels is apparently something many are guilty of. I vaguely remembered Humphrey, so I wanted no part of that thread.

[HardTimes99]

69. Reagan called Nelson Mandela and the ANC 'terrorists'. I shit you not! - nt

[OnyxCollie]

100. So did Cheney.

Cheney and Mandela: Reconciling The Truth about Cheney's Vote
http://www.commondreams.org/views/080300-102.htm

When Rep. Dick Cheney voted against a 1986 resolution calling for the release of Nelson Mandela and recognition of the African National Congress, Americans did know this man had been waiting decades for his freedom. In a larger sense, so had all black South Africans. The tenets of American democracy -- one man, one vote -- were denied to the majority of citizens, along with the most basic economic and educational needs.

Yet Republican vice presidential candidate Cheney still defends his vote, saying on ABC's ``This Week'' that ``the ANC was then viewed as a terrorist organization. . . . I don't have any problems at all with the vote I cast 20 years ago.''

...

Quite a few posters here support Cheney's accusation that Snowden is a traitor. How fucked up is that?

Edit to add: There's a Cheney Snowden elementary school. What a coincidence.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6926-S-Lucas-St-Cheney-WA-99004/69729664_zpid/

4 bedrooms, 2.5 bath 2,500 sqft home located within the brand new Cheney Snowdon elementary and Westwood middle school boundary.

[HardTimes99]

102. It's only appropriate that these offenses against the dignity of man

not be forgotten. So thank you for taking the time to document it.

[OnyxCollie]

103. I would say, "De nada,"

but you're making me feel disrespectful.

[KittyWampus]

76. Obama should have just called out both Bushes AND Cheney the other night. On stage!

HELL YEAH!

[JoeyT]

80. Or just not praised them.

There's a vast gulf between praising someone and, as much as I and probably you too would have loved to see it, striding purposefully over and kicking them in the nuts.

[MotherPetrie]

97. Bush and Cheney are war criminals. Obama's DOJ should have PROSECUTED their criminal asses.

[HardTimes99]

104. Russell Tice (NSA whistleblower) has alleged that the NSA was

bugging Obama as early as 2004 (back when the Bush-Cheney Junta held the reins of power). My guess is that Cheney's NSA got the drop on Obama and whispered in his ear about all the secrets they could reveal were he to insist upon their being held accountable for their war crimes.

That's just a guess though. But it does let Obama off the hook for being a gutless wonder and\or a hypocrite for mouthing platitudes like 'We are a nation of laws.' I prefer to think of Obama as being the victim of political blackmail rather than being an accessory after the fact to war crimes and crimes against humanity.

[JoeyT]

28. Anything He does is ok by virtue of Him doing it.

If you think He is wrong about anything, it's because you never loved Him anyway.

If anything bad happens, it's because He doesn't have a magic wand and can't just write laws. If anything good happens, however far removed from Him it was and how hard He opposed it, you should thank Him and give Him sole credit for it, even if He apparently had nothing to do with it. If something bad happens and we can't pretend He had nothing to do with it, see rule 1 about why it was really a good thing.

[forestpath]

73. Bwahahahaha, a perfect summary of the pathetic spin.

[Bobbie Jo]

29. No, not "just like."

Ridiculous analogy.

[matthews]

47. I read here that Obama 'has to do that' and that he 'has no choice'. It will be hard

for anyone to top Obama publicly telling H.W. that the nation is a 'kinder and gentler' place thanks to him.

That's where I started looking around for the Cheshire Cat and the White Rabbit.

[Whisp]

57. no, it's not 'just like'

what fucking rubbish.

[zeemike]

84. That was my first thought when I saw the title to this thread.

It seem some are trying to cause us to form up into absolutism groups, where we make lists of who is the good guys and who is the bad guys, and we compete to see who can say the most nasty things about those we hate...
I am not sure whether this is just childishness or a deliberate attempt to split us up.

[duffyduff]

90. +1,000 n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

91. Official function ...

of a sitting President.

I know (some) DUers don't do the official function pomp and ceremony thing ... But then (most) DUers have never been called upon to do it (except when they, in real life, kiss their boss and/or co-worker's ass during company functions ... but that's different ...)

[LittleBlue]

31. Who is Gordon Humphrey?

Serious question. I thought I got to DU enough not to be out of the loop on stuff like this. Guess not.

[bunnies]

36. Here:

Check this thread. http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1014539265

[SidDithers]

32. I'm sure some of the Snowden worshippers here have no problem with Humphrey...

any port in a storm.

Sid

[JoeyT]

50. Much like his haters have no problem with Dick Cheney now, apparently.

Doesn't matter if he's a war criminal as long as he's on your side he's cool.

[zappaman]

51. Link?

Would like to see the threads where DUers express their support for Dick Cheney like some have for Gordon fucking Humphrey.

Thanks!

[JoeyT]

53. Apologetics for war crimes.

I'd love to see links to DUers openly supporting either Paul, but that doesn't stop half a dozen people from being incapable of typing a single paragraph without the word "Paul" in it. Even when it's about stuff that neither Paul particularly cares about, Paul will get brought up.

Guilt by association is a double edged sword.

[zappaman]

54. Huh?

All I asked for is a link of DUers expressing support for Dick fucking Cheney.
You say there are DUers who support him, so just link please.

[JoeyT]

58. I didn't say there were DUers that supported him.

I said there were DUers that had no problem with him. We've decided torture and war crimes aren't that big a deal because it makes people that don't prosecute war crimes look bad. So there are many who won't respond to anything about Cheney, no matter how pointedly the question is asked.

[zappaman]

59. I have yet to see a DUer that did not have MAJOR problems with Dick fucking Cheney.

I must be on a different DU...cuz I'd say 100% of DUers have a big fucking problem with Dick Cheney.
In fact, in all my years here, I have never even seen a DUer agree with one single statement by him, so...

[Bluenorthwest]

63. He's a piece of right wing shit, but 99% of what the op about him is true also of Chuck Hagel

and DU's centrists were vibrating and throbbing in support of that anti choice, anti gay Republican. It was convenient then to excuse his being anti gay and anti choice, the centrists here supported him for new and higher powers. Today, convenient for centrists to pretend they are outraged by anti gay or anti choice views. The hypocrisy is stunning.

[ProSense]

89. Let's compare

http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112536569_012.do

[Raine1967]

96. Well that seals the deal. Hagel is just like Humphrey.

Of course -- that has NOTHING to do with what the OP was trying to say.

I'll say it again: RED HERRING.

[JoeyT]

66. I wouldn't bet on that.

"I think he's a traitor,” Cheney said of Snowden in an interview with “Fox News Sunday.”

"I think he has committed crimes in effect by violating agreements given the position he had," he continued. "I think it's one of the worst occasions in my memory of somebody with access to classified information doing enormous damage to the national security interests of the United States."

"As everybody who's been associated with the program's said, if we had had this before 9/11, when there were two terrorists in San Diego -- two hijackers -- had been able to use that program, that capability, against that target, we might well have been able to prevent 9/11," Cheney said.

Cheney also raised questions about Snowden's decision to flee to Hong Kong, suggesting he may be sharing sensitive information with the Chinese government. He hinted that Snowden could even be a Chinese spy.

"I'm suspicious because he went to China. That's not a place where you would ordinarily want to go if you are interested in freedom, liberty and so forth," Cheney said. "It raises questions whether or not he had that kind of connection before he did this."

Does THAT sound like stuff you've heard on here?

[HardTimes99]

74. Sorry, but I have seen no one on DU who opposes Snowden have a problem with Cheney's endorsement

of the administration's position re the NSA snooping.

If a war criminal endorses your policies, you better take a good, long look at those policies.

[quinnox]

77. + a million

Not once have I seen any of them say anything against Cheney's endorsement, they ignore it like it didn't happen. I can understand why they ignore it, but its pretty hypocritical when you see stuff so often like guilt by association they often try and pull here.

[HardTimes99]

82. Hell, most of them can't even bring themselves to express even the mildest disagreement with

(or disapproval of) President Obama's giving Bush and Cheney a pass on their felonious and treasonous conduct.

So when President Obama said, in the wake of the Zimmerman verdict, that we 'are a nation of laws . The jury has spoken' (translation: get over it), I just shook my head and went "Pfft!"

[blm]

33. He's a loyal Poppy Bush man, too. Another 'coincidence' for the coincidence theorists.

.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

34. It's quite the Machiavellian game for Jeb 2016. nt

[zappaman]

39. But...but...

The 4th amendment is gone!
We are living in a fascist state!
Stasi!
Dictablanda!
End of American empire!
Nazis!

[bvar22]

41. Gordon Humphrey is a vile piece of shit who....

....just happens to be right about the burgeoning Surveillance/Security/Secrecy State and the growing Supra-Constitutional powers being claimed by the Unitary Executive during Peace Time.

Even a broken clock.....

[ProSense]

62. Storm Front is "right about the burgeoning Surveillance/Security/Secrecy State"

about as right as the vile piece of shit that is the topic of the OP.

Anyone going to post Storm Front's position and claim "even a stopped clock"?


Lauding pieces of shit never ends well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023219799

[bvar22]

75. DIck Cheney is a vile piece of shit who agrees with YOU.

Are you going to abandon your position on the issues because of Dick Cheney's opinion.

[ProSense]

79. Yes, Dick Cheney is a "vile piece of shit," which is why I'm not lauding him.

Cheney = Vile piece of shit.

[Raine1967]

64. AWESOME.

I am going to assume that you are willing to excuse everything else the OP posted because a clock is broken.

The clock is broken. It's fucking broken -- you are actually supporting a man that represents EVERYTHING liberals are against. Read the OP again. Talk about picking and choosing to fit a narrative.

So much for the big tent, people like you are embracing "vile piece of shit" just because you believe Snowden is more important than the big tent.

This is Democratic Underground; It's not Anarchy Underground, Libertarian Underground or fuckitall Underground.

We are supposed support each other. That means to me: not defending a RWNJ like Humphrey.

and yes, I'm going there:

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.

I look at your 'clock' and believe that you doing nothing more than using a wingnut to support your point of view.

[Douglas Carpenter]

71. I don't see where you get the idea that is what Mr. Bvar is saying. I believe he is saying that the

evidence is convincing that the surveillance state is dangerous and out of control and if not now - it can in the future become a threat to all our liberty. If someone who is wrong on almost every single issue - happens - even if for partisan motives - nonetheless still happens to recognize this danger while many more sensible people are burying their head in the sand and engaging in outrageous denial of reality - it is still a good thing to see anyone confront this reality - even if they are a horrible person doing it for all the wrong reasons. This reminds of opposition to the Vietnam War - In the early days of that struggle few people wanted to break from the most progressive President in all of American history to denounce that senseless and immoral war.. There were some who only criticized the war because they wanted to hurt Lyndon Johnson and perhaps derail the Great Society. But that did not change the fact that the war was totally wrong. Those who were more consistent in their positions of conscience spoke against that senseless war anyway. Today, reasonable people know that the Intelligence Industrial Complex is way out of control. If Democrats don't joint the battle to rein in this Frankenstein monster - others driven by less noble motives will.

[Raine1967]

81. I get the idea from what Bvar wrote:

Gordon Humphrey is a vile piece of shit who....

....just happens to be right about the burgeoning Surveillance/Security/Secrecy State and the growing Supra-Constitutional powers being claimed by the Unitary Executive during Peace Time.

Even a broken clock.....

I appreciate what you're saying, but I disagree. I've had an opinion about this entire Greenwald Snowden situation for a while. I've also been reticent to go full hog about it here on DU. You see, I'm not a 'camp' player.

I cannot bring myself to support the idea that a place like DU would embrace Gordon Humphrey in any way shape or form.

As much as people are passionate about the NSA, I am far more concerned about the 4th amendment right to privacy and my right to choose.

You see, we have a few very pressing issues in North Carolina , Virginia and Texas. My sisters aren't using right wingers to bolster their arguments.

[Bluenorthwest]

88. Chuck Hagel held all the same positions as Humphrey, the OP supported Hagel for Defense

Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 11% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)


Why did you Centrists embrace THAT Republican? Why did those things not matter when it was Chuck?

[Raine1967]

92. Nice red herring. Not playing that game. eom.

[Douglas Carpenter]

44. sometimes bad people do good t hings - sometimes good people do bad things - that is life

[bunnies]

56. Is this a joke? nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

60. no, just a reality check. - people who know about life and have life experience know that sometimes

people who are almost always wrong - occasionally - rarely - but sometimes are right when those who are usually more enlightened and should know better are wrong - just a home truth..

[meanit]

49. Humphrey is for what Snowden did

because it might Make Obama look bad. Does anyone actually think he would be supporting Snowden if a Republican were in the Whitehouse?

[Douglas Carpenter]

55. you are probably right - Republicans have no integrity - could you imagine ANY Democrat opposing

Bush's surveillance program and then turning around and supporting Obama expanding the surveillance program? They would get laughed out of office and no one would ever respect them again.

[hopemountain]

65. yes, exactly!

we have a registered democrat senator in my state who was republican awhile back. i question every thing he does and says to discern his sincerity, honesty, and motivation. he's kinda wiley with beady eyes & a long, thin, narrow pinched expression and i do not trust his "smile".

[Bluenorthwest]

52. He's a piece of right wing shit, but 99% of what you list about him is true of Chuck Hagel as well

Anti choice, anti gay, the entire thing and the centrists here ADORE Chuck, they worked hard to push him when he was Obama's nominee and Republican Flavor of the Month.

How is it ok for Chuck to do and be those things?

[stupidicus]

67. lol

some rightwing turds are better than others apparently, even if they are all but indistinguishable in what they've supported/promoted.

Maybe Bachmann is onto something with that "magic wand" claim about BHO?

If what you say is true, then Chucky has either evolved, or it's a "chango/presto" situation

[Bluenorthwest]

87. Chuck's voting record in the Senate is a matter of public record.

Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 11% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/chuck_hagel.htm

The OP 'bunnies' supported Chuck to be Sec of Defense of the United States of America. Just saying.

[stupidicus]

94. I understand, and it was a most excellent point

I just wasn't aware of the extent to which he and the villian here shared povs.

I never bothered to look too hard into Hagel's voting record given he was a repub, so that is of course unsurprising, and most of BHO's appointments have been a disappointment to me, starting with Rahmbo.

well done

I'd love to see a response from the double standards camp on this.

[Raine1967]

93. Has Chuck Hagel supported Snowden? No.

As I said above, red herring.

[stupidicus]

95. right

you might as well ask if BHO has.

It appears to me as if this top post was all about condemning praising someone with that kinda record, and not conditional upon whether they supported Snowden or not.

Gordon Humphrey is a vile piece of shit who should NEVER be praised on DU.

As I'm saying here, that's a pretty transparent dodge, which is of course understandable under the circumstances.

[GoneFishin]

61. An asshole is an asshole. If once in while something true accidentally spews forth from his mouth it

changes nothing.

[eridani]

70. Because some POS is in favor of something, I have to be against it?

Didn't realize that was a DU rule. Sorry.

[heaven05]

78. great

example of 'leadership' in amerika.

[Dash87]

85. He's a Libertarian arse

I was going to point that out in the other thread but turned off DU. He's even crazier than Ron Paul.

[David Zephyr]

99. Thanks.

I hope that puts some proper perspective here. K&R.