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[calimary]

1. Wonder if any of the wait staff spit in their food before serving it to them?

[HolyMoley]

2. They should be charged with a felony if they did

and prohibited from employment in the food service industry for life.

[Ninga]

3. Oh dear, really? nt

[HolyMoley]

11. Yeah.... REALLY

In case you're unaware, it is a felony in some states (not sure about NY).

Regardless, it's asinine and ridiculous to vilify O'Mara and West for their defense of Zimmerman.

It was their JOB, and they were obligated by law and the oath they took to provide Zimmerman
with legal consul to the best of their ability.

[Punkingal]

36. Yes it is...

But O'Mara became an absolute pig in my eyes when he asked the victim's mother on the stand if she said that was Trayvon screaming on the tape because she didn't want to believe he brought about his own death. That was a horrible thing to say.

[HolyMoley]

61. It's a cold cruel world, isn't it?

I know if I was the one sitting as the accused, and facing a possible life sentence, I wouldn't give a flying fuck what my attorney said or did if I thought it would help my case.

And in that regard, it might have backfired by leaving the jury with a negative impression of O'Mara.

[LanternWaste]

65. Kind of absurd to rationalize six of oner, yet feign abhorrence at half a dozen of the other...

"It's a cold cruel world, isn't it?"
Hence, wait staff spitting in food.

Kind of absurd to rationalize six of one, yet feign abhorrence at half a dozen of the other...

[HolyMoley]

70. One is not like the other.

Let me know when spitting in someones food is part of the wait staffs job description or training.

[Trajan]

77. Yes .. as long as your lawyer can lie through his fucking teeth

And makes it possible for you to commit a heinous act and get away with it ... that's all that matters ... right?

Who needs personal morality if you have a good lawyer?

My only question now - who left the fucking gate open?

EDIT; Ah ... it's the Gungeon gate ... that thing has been leaking like a sieve for years now ....

[premium]

89. Ah, the Gungeon reference.

So I guess that means that we have no right to condemn contaminating someone's food, which, btw, is a felony in most states.

[Trajan]

99. you got me all wrong

I am utterly and completely against anyone who would do that ....

It's a fucking crime .... toss the bastard in the slammer ...

[premium]

102. Thank you, that was my point

even if I went kind of took my time getting to it.
My apologies for the misunderstanding.

[Punkingal]

118. I guess we're different...

There are some things I would not do, no matter the circumstances. Reminds of all the Nazis after they lost WW2, saying they had no choice. If you can't stand up for some kind of principle, life isn't worth much in my opinion.

[olddots]

76. you have some of the best comedy material I've ever read

will you be here al week ?

[trumad]

4. nah

Id personally crap in their food.

Shit pie.

[dgilmour32863]

86. That's what I would do too

It would be quite fitting for trash like them.

[premium]

93. And you'd be prosecuted for a felony,

rightly so.

[calimary]

8. Hey, it was a serious question. I've seen websites in which servers have detailed all kinds of

well, let's call them "responses" to rude treatment, bullying and nasty or loutish treatment by diners, in which various of the wait staff or kitchen staff find rather distinctive ways to have their revenge. You quickly realize how important it is to be a good customer! Because they who prepare and present you with food have the ultimate power over your health and well-being. Some of the - um - "solutions" to poorly-behaved customers were utterly stomach-turning.

[HappyMe]

9. lol!

I think it would be 'justifiable use of spit' as the wait staff probably felt threatened and scared for their lives.

[Rex]

18. You must get a lot of spit in your food.

[NoGOPZone]

26. Good luck getting the New York County DA's office to pursue that case nt

[HolyMoley]

87. Failing in that

I have little doubt that a couple of high profile lawyers have the means and ability to sue the restaurant into bankruptcy and the spitter(s) into poverty.

[olddots]

64. once again are you working without a net ?

[Apophis]

7. I hope someone did.

[HappyMe]

41. Aarglebargle ermmagaard!

Sometimes it's fun seeing the gungeoneers get themselves in a self righteous twist.

[premium]

54. So I guess I'll put you in the column of

doing what a RW'er would do, right? You think it's ok to spit in someone's food because you didn't agree or like the job they did?

[HappyMe]

62. I don't know.

If somehow I felt threatened or scared, I'm sure it would be completely justfied then, no?

I find it interesting that they are eating in a state with stricter gun laws.

Blather on about RWer crap all you want. Which column you put me in doesn't matter a whit to me.

[LanternWaste]

68. Or possibly because one may believe O'Mara is simply a walking vulgarity...

"because you didn't agree or like the job they did?"

Invalid use of the "or" qualifier indicating there are only two choices when reality dictates there are many, many more possibilities which exist...such as one may believe O'Mara is simply a walking vulgarity.

[premium]

75. That's still no excuse for

wanting the wait. to spit, piss, shit, or otherwise contaminate someone's food, that's what RW'ers would do.
Sorry, I just thought that we were better than them, and, except for a few here, we are.

[Punkingal]

45. My problem with O'Mara is blaming Trayvon for his own death..

And asking his mother a question about that on the stand. I understand about doing your job for your client, but to me it was cruel to ask the victim's mother that. Even defense attorneys need to draw the line somewhere.

[Dreamer Tatum]

53. You think that's the worst thing a defense attorney has ever done?

Hah.

Please.

[Punkingal]

121. Probably not,

But I 'm talking about this particular instance. To me, he should not have said that to her.

[naaman fletcher]

81. Once upon a time

One of the hallmarks of being a progressive was defending defense lawyers and the job they have to do on behalf of their clients while right wing radio would shit all over them.

My how things have changed.

[premium]

104. We have become our own worse enemies.

[frylock]

125. once upon a time civil liberties were once the hallmark..

of being a progressive. now standing up for civil liberties gets you lumped in with shitheads like rand paul.

[naaman fletcher]

129. yup. nt

[warrant46]

130. Its really too bad, the attitude has done a 180

This case was lost because it was not investigated or prepared correctly. Stigmatizing the defendant's attorneys and wanting to harm them in some way is very very scary, for what appears on its face, a progressive web site

[bigdarryl]

5. DISGUSTING!!!!! that some are taking pictures of these jackasses

[warrior1]

6. they should be shunned

[hack89]

15. For doing their jobs?

they are defense lawyers - their job is to defend their clients to the best of their abilities.

[warrior1]

21. no, for being dicks

and blaming Trayvon for his death.

These people are the scum of the earth.

[naaman fletcher]

84. So how should they have defended Zimmerman?

Zimmerman told the police that Trayvon attacked him. How could the defense lawyers defend Zimmerman without saying that Trayvon attacked him?

[okieinpain]

122. yeah i agree they didnt have to be dicks

They could have defended him and not kill trayvon all over again. They would have done a better job of helping their client if they had.

But all i see now is they fucked over a kid that was minding his own business until their dumb ass client screwed up.

[Hoyt]

90. They were not forced to defend him, they went after the chance to defend a bigot with a gun.

[hack89]

95. They saw it as a slam dunk high profile case

that would bring them good publicity and higher fees in the future.

Looks like they were right.

[Hoyt]

100. I'm sure KKK and Ayran Nation have them on retainer, maybe NRA too. Decent people will do better

with attorneys who don't have a history of defending armed bigots like Zman.

[premium]

97. So that would excuse the restaurant staff from

spitting, pissing, shitting or otherwise, contaminating their, which is a felony in most states.

You may be a lot of things Hoyt, but I just can't believe that you would ever agree that this would be an appropriate response.

[Hoyt]

101. Correct, but I don't think a shot to heart was the "appropriate response" from bigot boy and his gun

[premium]

103. That's fine and your free to voice your opinion,

and for the record, I always thought that Zimmerman was guilty of Manslaughter, but wasn't surprised by the verdict.
I'm just shocked that a few here are advocating for contaminating someone's food and committing a felony.

[Inkfreak]

10. These guys aren't the problem.

Florida and its laws are to blame here. I give 2 fucks about these lawyers.

[el_bryanto]

14. Welcome to DU

So would you say that right wingers generally show more class than liberals?

Bryant

[Rex]

25. RWingers have no class and are mostly idiots.

Just try talking to any Foxnews zombie, they are all class acts. NOT.

[premium]

55. Absolutely not,

but spitting in someone's food is what RW'ers would do.

[LanternWaste]

72. You believe spitting in someone's food is predicated on politics?

"spitting in someone's food is what RW'ers would do...."

You believe spitting in someone's food is predicated on politics? Not the most absurd thing I've read this week, but very, very close.

Oh. My.

[premium]

82. No, I believe that defacing someone's food

because you happen to dislike them for whatever is never right and I find it very unsettling that it's being suggested here, luckily, the restaurant staff probably have much more class than a few here.

[Rex]

23. Well you covered the entire gauntlet in 4 paragraphs.

This must not be your first rodeo.

[bunnies]

40. "Conservatives would not act this way"

Good one.

[premium]

60. Conservatives would definitely act this way

that's why I find it highly disturbing that a few here would even be suggesting that a wait. should spit in their food.

[bunnies]

63. You make a good point.

You'll get no disagreement from me on that one. Obviously people are upset but there are far better ways of expressing that.

[HappyMe]

78. I doubt that people are serious about this.

Zimmy the new NRA poster boy and his lawyers are sacred.

[bunnies]

85. I agree but still...

Having worked in a restaurant... ewww.

[HappyMe]

96. I worked in kitchens for a few years,

and waited tables.
I never saw any nasty behavior.


I find it interesting that gunny types are bleating about RWer behavior, in regards to something that never happened. Oh the
outrage!!1 Imaginary spit vs. a dead kid.

[premium]

105. I find it interesting that a few here would advocate that,

which is what RW'ers would do, and in the process, advocate for someone to commit a felony.

[HappyMe]

108. lol!

You are just all over the place squealing 'RWer!1'.

Imaginary spit that never happened is a felony?

[premium]

117. You couldn't be more wrong,

I'm all over the place condemning the advocating of contaminating someone's food just because they didn't like that job they did.
I find it very telling that you never answered me when I asked if you approved of of what a few here were suggesting.

[HappyMe]

128. Oh no! The "I find it very telling.." meme.

No, I don't approve. I don't think that anyone in the thread is serious about it. But people love to dig up outrage where none exists in regards to the NRA poster boy and his sacred lawyers.

I happen to think that being gunned down for no reason is a better place for outrage. I think that any dumb fuck with a gun, a concealed carry paper and cop envy is about as RW as you can get. I think that what happened at Sandy Hook is an outrage.

Imaginary spit on food, is not melt-down outrage time.

[uppityperson]

106. Well, you can add me to your list I guess. Not a "gunny type" but against advocating

putting bodily discharges into anyones food and appalled at those who seem to think it is ok.

[HappyMe]

116. I'm kind of finding it funny

that people are getting in a twist about something that DID NOT HAPPEN.

I'm not advocating anything. I personally could give a fuck about Zippy or his lawyers.

If anything I would advocate against being gunned down for no fucking reason. That's something to get in a twist about.

[uppityperson]

135. I'm finding it kind of funny that people can only think 1 thing at a time is bad. eom

[bunnies]

126. hmmm

I hadnt drawn that line. Imaginary spit vs dead kid. Yeah. Good point.

[Snotcicles]

46. We DU liberals tend to be a little unkempt. But definitely not of a lesser class. nt

[bunnies]

67. Unkempt?

Whatever do you mean, Snotcicles?

[el_bryanto]

13. They're lawyers. Where do you expect them to eat?

Why is this even news? Lawyers eat at fancy restaurant?

While there's a lot of things that went wrong in this event - the lawyers for Zimmerman more or less did what lawyers did, i.e. they defended their client - I don't understand why the fact that they ate out several days after the trial is worth getting worked up over.

Bryant

[jmowreader]

16. They don't have pricey restaurants in Florida?

[malaise]

17. They are shameless - and so are their hacks

Joining them for their celebratory lunch was criminal lawyer and CNN analysis Mark Geragos, who has been a regular fixture on the channel throughout the case and was highly complementary of their work.

[ZRT2209]

43. Amen

[onenote]

107. My guess is that CNN paid for the meal.

West and O'Mara appeared on CNN on Tuesday. On Wednesday, Gergaros was part of a panel discussion about the case. It would be utterly unsurprising if he had lunch with the two defense lawyers the day of his appearance and picked up the tab (including, yes, the champagne).

[leftstreet]

19. Should buy Prosecutors lunch. They HANDED them victory

I don't see any particular skills here

[AZ Progressive]

20. They celebrate while black males die

Because that's what they have done, promoted the killing of black males just to win. Scumbag fuckers.

[ksoze]

31. Should they be on a hunger stike?

Also not sure how defending a client results in the promoting of killing of black males.

[ZRT2209]

44. +1

[Comrade Grumpy]

22. Two guys have dinner. Okay.

[Nye Bevan]

24. Lots of hatred for defense lawyers in this theead.

I guess when your job is to defend bad guys, you deserve to have your food spit in when you go to a restaurant.

[Dreamer Tatum]

34. This whole trial experience has revealed a humorous lack of knowledge

on the part of many about the criminal justice system and its actual workings.

Defense attorneys defend.

You'd think that people who want restaurant workers to commit felonies on their behalf would understand the need
for a good defense lawyer from time to time.

[ksoze]

51. The legal system naysayers would hire these guys in a NY minute

It is clear many here have no concept of how our legal systems works or where it came from.

[Dreamer Tatum]

56. Johnnie Cochran blamed drug gangs for his client's crimes

Never saw much hand-wringing for Ron Goldman.

[DevonRex]

119. I love good defense attorneys. These 2 are vile. Defense attorneys can defend the most evil

Person on the planet to the best of their ability, even get them acquitted, without being vile themselves. Most of them manage that quite easily simply because they believe in the system.

But the way these 2 conducted themselves was disgusting, both during and after the trial. What they said, not in the defense of their client, was disgusting. How they acted, was disgusting. Their very defense was based on a continuation of the racial profiling that led to Martin's murder. I find that to be evil.

[warrant46]

133. Its almost pathetic in its ignorance

[markiv]

27. and to think i believed that lawyers were good people

i really feel let down

LOL

[Rex]

29. I promise to care about this sometimes in the future

when my schedule has room.

[COLGATE4]

30. How about a big "So what"? nt

[KinMd]

32. Wait staff most likely wants their tip.

[premium]

33. This is news?

Why? 2 guys go to a pricey restaurant is earth shaking news?

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

35. As much as I was on the side of the prosecution and the Martin family....

And as much as I can't stand George Zimmerman, I hold nothing against his legal team. They were doing their job, which is to provide their clients with the best legal counsel. And I'm sure over the years, both O'Mara and West have, as defense attorneys, defended people that were genuinely wrongly convicted and I am sure that there had been instances where we would be on THEIR side instead of the state's side.

To put it bluntly, I would be willing to bet that all of us here wish that Melissa Alexander, the Florida mother sentenced to 20 years for firing a WARNING SHOT, and who was prosecuted by, of all people, Angela Corey, could have had a lawyer like Don West or Mark O'Mara to defend her.

And as far as where they eat, I don't see what the big deal is. They are lawyers....where do you expect them to eat, Burger King!?

[LittleBlue]

37. Zimmerman was a jackpot for them

Now that they're famous attorneys, the dollars per billable hour they can charge just went through the roof.

If they weren't filthy rich before, they are now.

[ksoze]

73. And if they lost, they would still be reviled by many

and also not be as in demand.

[LittleBlue]

79. Yep

A world of difference between a famous loser and a famous winner.

[AndyA]

38. They are the reason some have such a bad impression of lawyers

They had a job to do, and they did it, so they'll have to come to terms on their own for their actions. Zimmerman is a murderer. Information was withheld from the jurors that they should have known about. Now, there's a murderer loose on the streets.

Hope they choked on their food.

[ksoze]

39. BFD. You were expecting a hunger strike?

The obsession with anyone connected to this case is unreal.

[fredamae]

42. Who Paid O'Maras Fees?

I highly doubt this was Pro-Bono---Was it the NRA? Kochs? Does anyone know?

[ZRT2209]

48. excellent question

[Dreamer Tatum]

50. Does it really matter?

Seriously - can you make a case for it mattering one iota?

[fredamae]

57. Part of the "Dot-Connecting"

process. It is curious (to me) that a man like zimmy could attract a player like omara et al.

[Dreamer Tatum]

59. Wait - hang on - you think a high profile defense lawyer wouldn't be attracted by

a high profile case?

[fredamae]

71. Yes-

A) I've never heard of him (which means nothing) and B) Given zimmys obvious guilt (again, my opinion) I actually believed he'd get a court appointed atty....

[ksoze]

66. No dots to connect

A high profile lawyer will be attracted to a high profile case. If the media had not gone apocalyptic over this case, it's lure would have been less to the high profile defense community.

[fredamae]

88. There are many things to learn

from this.

I know Marissa Alexander should Not be serving 20 years for Literally and Honestly Standing Her Ground. All she did was fire a warning shot - not even Aimed at her Abuser!

And zimmy goes free? Yes, I want to know Who paid for that...
A very stark reminder justice is in dire need of reform.

The issue of Racism is Still a serious Fkg Crises.
I admit my naivete'. I believed when We elected Obama that we had crossed over "that line"--we had reached that point where Racism was becoming a moot issue.

I was very wrong about that.

[onenote]

115. I'm not sure how Marissa Alexander "literally" stood her ground

when it was conceded by all that she left the house, went to her car, retrieved a weapon and then re-entered the house. She had not duty to retreat, but once she had retreated its hard to see how she was still had a reasonable fear of imminent death or bodily harm.

I agree, by the way, that the sentence of 20 years is outrageous. And the fact that it is the result of mandatory minimum sentencing laws enacted in order to punish the use of guns in crimes has made me second guess my previous support for such laws.

[Pelican]

137. Well said...

[naaman fletcher]

124. Apparently,

the prosecution believes it was not a warning shot but rather a shot at his head that missed (given where the bullet hole was). Of course, I have no idea if that is true or not.

[Rex]

69. Some told me it was donations to Zim's defense fund.

My curiosity would like to know who ponied up money too.

[naaman fletcher]

91. O'mara said..

On TV the other day that he was willing to do it pro-bono, but that of course if the donations came in he would get paid. As of the trial he said that all the donations went to the expense of the trial (expert witnesses, etc) and that he and West hadn't gotten a dime.

My guess is that he will also get paid out of the lawsuit against NBC or whatever channel it is they are going to sue.

[ceonupe]

134. Most states will pay them back for the witnesses and expenses

The state has to do that when u are found not guilty.

[99th_Monkey]

47. I Hope The Waiter Pisses In Their Soup. ~nt

[bravenak]

49. I'd give them the Ol stink eye if I were there.

And make comments about them just loud enough for them to hear.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

52. The celebretizing of lawyers is fucking bullshit. nt

[uppityperson]

58. meh and for those advocating spitting, pissing, crapping in their food, good grief

You don't like how someone does their job so it is ok to do that? Sometimes some on Du disappoint.

[Sissyk]

83. +1

Agree. A few names I am seeing are really suprising too.

[NaturalHigh]

98. Another +1.

They were doing their jobs. Period.

[Kingofalldems]

74. What, they didn't invite Zimmy's DU pals?

[NoGOPZone]

80. Evidently not

as most of them are posting in this thread.

[ksoze]

92. Idiots Logic: defending legal system = Zimmerman pal

Nice try. I have seen no personal fans of Zimmerman here and any post which even hints at a rebuttal to some of the assertions being posted is summarily dismissed by invoking the pal BS.

[Dreamer Tatum]

94. Why wouldn't they invite Corey out? This is all her fault.

Had she charged him with a prosecutable crime, there would be less interest in his defense, and less
heat generated by it.

[premium]

110. Oh, because we're condemning some here for

advocating the contamination of Omara's and West's food makes us Zimmerman's pals?
Really?

[lynne]

109. Must be a slow news day in the UK -

- guess they need something to write about while waiting for that baby to be born. Attorney's eating lunch in a pricey restaurant ceased being news around 1900.

[HockeyMom]

111. Hope they left THEIR guns in Florida

[Spazito]

112. They have every right to "celebrate at a pricey NYC restaurant" but ......

to do so, to celebrate publicly for making an unarmed black teenager out to be a criminal worthy of killing shows they lack even a scintilla of compassion, a modicum of understanding for the pain the Martin family is suffering. They could have had this 'celebration, if they felt the need to celebrate, in private.

I think the serving staff would have more class, more dignity than shown by this defense team and would serve their meal unaltered.

[naaman fletcher]

120. Bear in mind..

This is a freaking daily mail headline (possibly the first one ever accepted as truth on DU).

The two guys frigging went out to dinner.

Are they supposed to not go out to eat ever again?

[Spazito]

123. I did bear that in mind as to the link to the daily mail...

how, in any way, does that negate the point I made in my post?

[naaman fletcher]

127. Well,

if they had gone out and thrown a party, or taken over the bar area at Ruth's Chris and threw money around I would agree with you 100%. However this seems like nothing more than two guys going out to dinner.

[Spazito]

131. Three, guys, to be completely accurate...

two from the Zimmerman defense team and a defense team media supporter. I think it is a celebratory lunch and, as I said, they have every right to do so but anyone with a sense of compassion would try to be more circumspect, they chose otherwise.

[onenote]

136. A restaurant located less than five minutes by cab from CNN's offices

Like I said, my guess is that CNN picked up the tab for this lunch.

[naaman fletcher]

113. Blast from the past

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/everyone-deserves-legal-representation/

It is a bedrock principle of democratic justice that everyone is entitled to legal representation when accused of a crime. Prisoners who say they are innocent get a lawyer. Prisoners who plead guilty get a lawyer. Charles Manson had a lawyer. So did Timothy McVeigh, who was a terrorist, and all the other terrorists in federal prisons.

Without that legal representation, there can be no justice, no system of democratic values to defend against terrorism. An attack on lawyers willing to defend Guantanamo detainees is an attack on that system. Those lawyers aren’t helping our enemies; they’re deeply patriotic.

[Pelican]

114. Of all of the Zimmerman threads to survive...

... wasn't sure it would be this one.

[NCTraveler]

132. Wealthy lawyers eating at a nice restaurant after a victory.

I must be missing something.