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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:16 PM Jul 2013

And in the UK, there are Air Gun Nuts.

The Air Gun Lobby apparently is cribbing from the NRA.

SCOTLAND -- AIR guns should not be subject to strict licensing restrictions according to the vast majority of respondents to a government consultation.

A Scottish Government consultation on proposals for licensing air weapons returned 1,101 responses, with 87 per cent opposed to licensing.

The proposals were described as "misconceived", "disproportionate", "draconian" and "heavy-handed" by opponents, some of whom argued that an air gun is not a weapon.

However, nearly three-fifths of the responses came from England, and around a fifth came from cut-out coupons from shooting magazines, according to a government-funded analysis of responses published today....

Read More: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-consultation-air-gun-2066601


Scotland, for the record, essentially banned civilian handgun ownership within two years after a gunman shot 16 kids and their teacher in 1996. Crimes involving handguns, startlingly, plummeted.
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And in the UK, there are Air Gun Nuts. (Original Post) Robb Jul 2013 OP
And in America...we pontificate on things we have no clue about... Boxerfan Jul 2013 #1
How are the knife attacks going? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #2
That was 2011 dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #3
Yes, I know all those accidental knifings concern you. Robb Jul 2013 #4
Obviously, all knives in Scotland should be registered. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #5
But no the Claymores! oneshooter Jul 2013 #6
Not nearly so succesfully BainsBane Jul 2013 #10
Wow, what type of gun are you going to whine about next? MicaelS Jul 2013 #7
Air weapons responsible for 70% of all gun crime Robb Jul 2013 #8
So, a few kids shooting cars and each other with BB guns NickB79 Jul 2013 #9
Yes, Scotland's losing the Shoot-Everyone Olympics. Robb Jul 2013 #11
You'll shoot your eye out, kid! NickB79 Jul 2013 #12
Ha, ha. Robb Jul 2013 #13
Magnum air rifles are classified as firearms in the UK NickB79 Jul 2013 #14

Boxerfan

(2,571 posts)
1. And in America...we pontificate on things we have no clue about...
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:32 PM
Jul 2013

Really-Airgun nuts....
Well they are an enthusiastic bunch. And they have a rich history of sport using those airguns .

I'm an enthusiast & rebuild airguns as a hobby. The main sport use in England is for "Field Target". It's a proper good tough game. There are points given for "knock down" of steel targets that fall over when hit in a small hole in the center. Some targets have holes as small as 1/4" most less than 1". These are shot at from sitting/standing & various positions. Then there is wind & many other factors that make this game harder than golf to get "perfect" at.

I love the sport. And it's a shame that a good game as Field Target would get maligned here on DU...

Look it up-Really.

BTW-They have a strict 12 ft lb power maximum. We yanks have a 20 ft lb limit for competition. And in most areas there are no restrictions on power.

So puhleeeeze-leave it alone or get educated.

And I'm a tree huggin liberal as always. Just enjoy the Field Target game & if you have not tried it-Don't knock it.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
2. How are the knife attacks going?
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:36 PM
Jul 2013

Knives are still involved in more than half of murders in Scotland

From Dec 11, 2011:

"Responding to the statistical report, Labour's James Kelly said it was "deeply concerning" that knife deaths had increased by 74% "in the last year alone".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-16175439


dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
3. That was 2011
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:46 PM
Jul 2013

In 2012 penalties for possession were increased.

The maximum penalty for carrying a knife is to increase from four to five years imprisonment, the Justice Secretary said today.

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2012/11/knifecrime26112012

That's just for carrying : not using.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
4. Yes, I know all those accidental knifings concern you.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:50 PM
Jul 2013

In the unlikely event you actually want an answer:

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
7. Wow, what type of gun are you going to whine about next?
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jul 2013

Nerf Guns? And the people who like them?

Robb

(39,665 posts)
8. Air weapons responsible for 70% of all gun crime
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 06:06 PM
Jul 2013
Air weapons responsible for 70% of all gun crime

DERBYSHIRE -- Police have released a detailed overview of offences involving air weapons across the county.

In a report to the Derbyshire Police Authority, it was revealed that 70 per cent of all gun-related crime in the area was attributable to air rifles and ball bearing (BB) guns.

(snip)

More than half of the air weapon offences were committed against children aged between seven and 14.

The majority of the offenders were known to the victim but five young victims were targeted by complete strangers believed to be ‘mucking about’ or using air weapons recklessly.

Read More: http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Air-weapons-responsible-for-70-of-all-gun-crime-12012012.htm

NickB79

(20,405 posts)
9. So, a few kids shooting cars and each other with BB guns
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:07 PM
Jul 2013

THAT falls under "gun crime" in the UK? Wow.

And "air weapons"? Really now, come on. In the UK any gun over 12 ft-lb of energy is already heavily regulated as a firearm. A typical .22LR used in the US for squirrel hunting puts out 150 ft-lb. A 9mm does 350-400 ft-lb. A 5.56mm does over 1000 ft-lb.

I'm reminded of Bill Hick's memorable skit on UK crime from the early 90s:

Robb

(39,665 posts)
11. Yes, Scotland's losing the Shoot-Everyone Olympics.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jul 2013

They must feel so emasculated.

NickB79

(20,405 posts)
12. You'll shoot your eye out, kid!
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 09:13 PM
Jul 2013


You wouldn't happen to moonlight as a mall Santa during Christmas, would you?

NickB79

(20,405 posts)
14. Magnum air rifles are classified as firearms in the UK
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 07:28 AM
Jul 2013

All of your links you posted state that the air rifles used were firing pellets at speeds over 1000 feet per second. In the UK, which you referenced in your OP, these are classified as firearms and are already heavily regulated in the same way firearms are. Personally, I like their system, and wouldn't mind seeing the US do the same. There are some wickedly powerful pellet rifles out there that really shouldn't be in the hands of children.

However, the guns you suggest need more regulations are literally Red Ryder-type BB guns. These would be the only ones available to children in the UK without a permit.

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