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DonCoquixote

(13,956 posts)
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:58 AM Jul 2013

To the Millenials from a Gen Xer

The following was inspired by this article:
http://rall.com/2013/06/04/syndicated-column-the-new-generation-gap-gen-x-vs-gen-y

Dear Millennial:
The article I quoted is from Ted Rall, a self appointed voice of Gen X. He is an asshole at times, but at other times one of the stronger voices against the right, thus worth reading. However, despite the part where he begins remembering how we got smeared, he seems to go right on smearing you. Generations often wind up repeating the mistakes of their elders, and I write this to try and undo that.

He proceeds to make fun of your culture, digging in on things like steampunk. It's funny coming from someone that is a champion of punk rock. Punk was hated, misunderstood,considered low class, but yet, he worships it, and proceeds to make fun of you because you change and rediscover things like, oh, playing more than three chords or a different way of growing a beard or wearing an older cut of dress. He uses the word "boring" and even says he feels his generation is younger than yours.

Of course, he forgets that you were the first generation to grow up when the American dream had finally come down. We Gen Xers saw the initial fall, and it was bad, especially when many Boomers were calling us slackers. However, you knew the dream was dead, you did not do the equivalent of our Kurt Cobain, and shoot himself because the sex drugs rock and roll dream the baby boomers started turned out to be hollow. You found different dreams,different methods than the ones that failed, and moved on.

That is why YOU are the ones that made OWS, why you had solidarity with the Arab Spring. Of course, because you did not fulfill Rall's dreams, he mocks you. He wanted OWS to turn violent, for you to be the meat fodder for his dreams, never even asking what yours were. Then again, not only does he realize that violence ruins revolutions, but that the forces of evil were a lot better organized and funded than the same bastards the Boomers and Xers fought. The old gray men have learned their lessons, changed tactics, and frankly, bribed the MSM, which means they can get away with a lot more than Joe McCarthy ever could. Even on DU, you had people throw mud on OWS and you, which made the old gray men laugh.

Yes, you depend a lot on the internet, on the twitter and facebook, and yes, you will be the ones that need to rein those forces in before the NSA and Wallstreet ruin whatever potential they have. You supported Obama over Hillary (something many Boomers will never forgive you for, and will try to punish you for in 2016 when they try to plant Hillary on the throne.)

In short, no you are not boring, you are interesting, and the older people who slam you for living with your parents should compare not just how expensive college was for them, or what wages where for them, but acknowledge the fact that there is simply not much opportunity period. You have been given the short straw, yet you have done a lot with it, which means that you will be the ones tough and resourceful enough to make it in a future that your elders have squandered. Yes, you do act a bit older, and are quieter, which Rall hates, but maybe he can see that, unlike my Gen X, which kept whining about how those Boomers ruined everything, you are more about actions than emotions.

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To the Millenials from a Gen Xer (Original Post) DonCoquixote Jul 2013 OP
"Yes, you do act a bit older, and are quieter" = GOT THEIR FUCKING ACT TOGETHER. sibelian Jul 2013 #1
See, this is the broad generalization. TM99 Jul 2013 #3
not bashing DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #4
Of course, we don't speak for all. TM99 Jul 2013 #8
It's a lack of shame... Pelican Jul 2013 #6
Or a lack of career opportunities or, in some areas, no jobs *period*. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #7
I think it is a bit of both. TM99 Jul 2013 #9
Indeed DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #12
Thats what happens. Notafraidtoo Jul 2013 #14
It's Not a New Standard RobinA Jul 2013 #22
My kids are Millennials. They both have their shit together. calimary Jul 2013 #19
Did we read the same article? TM99 Jul 2013 #2
Young? DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #5
Again, different social groups apparently. TM99 Jul 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author UserNSAv32 Jul 2013 #11
Welcome to DU, UserNSAv32! calimary Jul 2013 #27
The stereotyping of generations is so, so dumb. In the case of Gen X, the journalists are way off. reformist2 Jul 2013 #13
k&r for exposure. This is an interesting discussion. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #15
We hire Millenials in our office. avebury Jul 2013 #16
I would like to put my gen-x stamp of approval MattBaggins Jul 2013 #17
I have never understood all of this generational labeling. I think it's silly johnlucas Jul 2013 #18
You make many valid points. TM99 Jul 2013 #20
As a gen xer, here is my braod brush of millenials arely staircase Jul 2013 #21
Agree With That Negative RobinA Jul 2013 #23
This Boomer RobinA Jul 2013 #24
I'm on the cusp of Gen X/Milennial tabbycat31 Jul 2013 #25
Every generation has its challenges. SheilaT Jul 2013 #26

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
1. "Yes, you do act a bit older, and are quieter" = GOT THEIR FUCKING ACT TOGETHER.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 04:10 AM
Jul 2013

I'm Gen X. I respect Millennials. I've never met one that isn't significantly more clued up at their age than I was at that age.

They DO shit.
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
3. See, this is the broad generalization.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 04:22 AM
Jul 2013

Yet, it isn't very factual.

My social circle of Gen Xers is rather wide. We have stayed in touch professionally since our educational years. By our early 20's we were self-employed or working on advanced graduate degrees. We have been in our professions now for over close to 25 years now. We were doing martial arts, bodywork, going to lectures, exploring religions, doing graduate studies, and I didn't know a single friend of mine in my 20's who moved by home to live with their parents after graduation.

I know 20 and 30 year olds who still live at home, struggle to find jobs, have no idea what career they want to persue, etc.

Millenials have inherited a different kind of social mess - student loan debt (not that us Xers don't have our fair share of that), a stagnant economy, a constantly blaring media driven world on and off the internet, and the rise of the sociopathic corporate state. It is hard to 'do shit' as you say, in these kinds of circumstances. Some of course do, and many can not. That is what is meant by a generalization and then the exceptions.

Xer's were said to be slackers and yet, I have yet to observe one. The 40 something's I know are all working, have careers, families, etc.

I do not say this with antagonism. I am not bashing any generation, however, I do subscribe from my psychological experience professionally and personally to the very solid idea that there are generational differences and generalizations which can be made about thinking, feeling, and being in the culture as it is.

DonCoquixote

(13,956 posts)
4. not bashing
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 04:30 AM
Jul 2013

" I am not bashing any generation, however, I do subscribe from my psychological experience professionally and personally to the very solid idea that there are generational differences and generalizations which can be made about thinking, feeling, and being in the culture as it is."

" The 40 something's I know are all working, have careers, families, etc. "

"I didn't know a single friend of mine in my 20's who moved by home to live with their parents after graduation. "

First off, you nor Rall speak for Gen X as a whole. Do I know people that had to move home, oh hell yes. Are there 40 somethings that have no job, and have an even rougher time getting hired than the younger ones, oh hell yes. Go to any unemployment office or bankruptcy court, and you will find enough event to bury your anecdotes like an avalanche.

And please, spare your "I am not bashing, but I do believe a lot of the negative stuff based on my anecdotal evidence." All of us, Boomers, Xes, Millennial will need people who can face life without illusions. It is not their fault that the Milennials had their illusions ripped from them.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
8. Of course, we don't speak for all.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:10 AM
Jul 2013

In fact, Rall and I both specifically state that. You are just choosing to ignore that. Generational psychology always produces these types of conversations. You say I am bashing and don't speak for all. You say the opposite. And on and on it goes. There is truth in all of it. Mine are no more anecdotal than your's, however, for what it is worth, my work puts me in contact with many more social groups, social classes, and age groups than most. I observe a much wider slice of humanity day in and day out. So, no I am not going to discount that because you disagree.

But please spare me the idea that Milennials are somehow 'special' and had all of their illusions ripped from them. Gen Xers faced the end of the Cold War, the rise of AIDS, and the rise of the Randian corporate take-over of both political parties in this country starting with Clinton, then Bush, and now finally Obama. Milennials bought in to the 'Hope & Change' magic of Obama's campaign in a way that I and others of my generation did not. I voted for the lesser of two evils both times.

Every generation faces a different set of illusions and what makes or breaks us all is how we deal with it. OWS was never an Arab Spring. I really and truly wish it would have, but it didn't. Did it bring about some important and good things? Yes, absolutely.

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
6. It's a lack of shame...
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:03 AM
Jul 2013

... when it comes to adults going to live with their parents.

Its a new standard and frankly it isn't a good one.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
7. Or a lack of career opportunities or, in some areas, no jobs *period*.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:06 AM
Jul 2013

For a lot of younger people these days, living with their folks is practically their only alternative to homelessness. It really is goddamn rough out there.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
9. I think it is a bit of both.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:25 AM
Jul 2013

On the one hand, it is somewhat shameful that 20 years live with their parents. They will miss certain experiences that lead to higher levels of psychological maturity. But given the current job and educational climate, it is also understandable. Our culture may need to think more like traditional ones with multi-generations living as families again under the same roof in order to survive the coming brave new world.

DonCoquixote

(13,956 posts)
12. Indeed
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 06:24 AM
Jul 2013

and many of the cultures that will gain influence in America, such as Latinos and Asians, already think in that way.

Notafraidtoo

(402 posts)
14. Thats what happens.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 07:34 AM
Jul 2013

When wages don't match the cost of living with no increase on the horizon, Take a second and look at every country that has gone through this cycle,You will see that 3-4 generations live in the same household. As long as republicans like you and yes you are a republican and do not hide it well I might add continue to oppose labor then 3-4 generational households in the US will become the norm.

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
22. It's Not a New Standard
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:10 PM
Jul 2013

it's a very old one. Why should a person feel shame over a legal lifestyle that works for the people involved?

calimary

(89,940 posts)
19. My kids are Millennials. They both have their shit together.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:54 PM
Jul 2013

My daughter somehow was BORN with her shit together. I had this conversation with her only yesterday - pointing out to her again how I just felt it in my bones that I never was going to have to worry about her too much. She's totally in command, and has been from the day she was born. My son - a different story, but as he approached adulthood (driven mostly by the reality of his increasingly happening band) he too had his shit THOROUGHLY together. Over and over from others including producers, promoters, radio people, industry people, the same words come out of their mouths about him - "he GETS it."

I felt like someone wandering in the wilderness, tilting at windmills, not really "GETTING it" for quite some time. Til late in my 20s - if even then.

Somehow I feel as though their generation set their rose-colored glasses down on the counter top a long time ago and, indeed, went out and started DOING shit. They have so much more of a sense of themselves and where they are - in the world, in their community, in time, in the whole generational thing. They're remarkable. I see it in many of their friends, too.

I feel like we Baby Boomers just screwed it all up. It's on OUR watch that the American Dream began its decline. It's OUR pollution and recklessness and that of our own elders that our Millennial sons and daughters have to clean up. And they know it. My kids grew up seeing my activism (such as it was - I certainly didn't move many mountains!!! ) and they know. They have a remarkably clear view of the job ahead.

Could be why so many in their generation recognize what's wrong in our world and know how they're going to do away with that wrong. Could be why so many of them are trending progressive. Could be why so few of them vote republi-CON - to such an extent that the statisticians and political strategists and demographics-trackers are all acutely aware of it as a reality. Could be why you're apt to hear again and again how the kids just don't get why there's intolerance against gays and other colors of skin - they just don't get it. They grew up in a world where all those skin colors and non-conventional lifestyles and outside-the-cookie-cutter feelings and ways of thinking and behaviors were THE NORM. My kids grew up knowing lots of single heads of households, gays - among their friends, peers, and parents of same, mixed-race parents with mixed-race kids, heck - sufficient numbers of followers of Islam that were so commonplace that it just wasn't anything even worth noticing.

My kids were in Catholic school. My daughter's First Communion class (2nd grade) was so diverse that only ONE THIRD of them actually made their First Communion. Catholics in her class were a distinct minority! Sure wasn't that way in MY First Communion class. Before we moved, I believe EVERYONE in class was Catholic. But after we moved, it was almost the same - until 6th grade, when we discovered that our class had exactly ONE member of the Greek Orthodox church among us. Now, WE are in the minority! And know what? That's more than okay by me!!! Seems to me that's a good thing. The Catholic Church needs to dispossess itself of the notion that it owns the world. When in reality, it's just one of many, and NOT the proverbial spoiled child who assumes it's all about THEM. And hopefully, many of us in the Baby Boom generation have recognized that same thing by now, too.

How'd that old saying go?

"...And the children shall lead."

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
2. Did we read the same article?
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 04:14 AM
Jul 2013

Rall wrote a very accurate description of Millenials and did so without rancor or boring attacks. He spoke positive when positives were natural, and he is still right about the 'old-fashionedness' of most Millenials. I know many - as friends, students, colleagues, clients, etc.

Generations do share much in common - stereotypes and all. I constantly hear attempts at wisdom and maturity that should come with age and experience from many who are just too young yet to have gained it. I am glad they are heading in that direction, and they will get there. But as Rall says, I often remind the Millenials in my life, be yourself and be the age you are. You are only in your twenty's once - make mistakes, take risks, stop being so trusting, and explore your freedom while you can.

As a fellow Generation X'er like Rall, I agree with his article and I personally think he shared it well.

One problem with writing about generational politics is that it requires sweeping generalizations. You can point to million exceptions. And of course there’s absolutely nothing anyone can do about it. These things simply are (if you believe, many many do not). Another is that you risk pissing people off…people you like.

To be clear, we Xers think you Millennials are awesome. We just wish you’d act your age.

Like, young.

DonCoquixote

(13,956 posts)
5. Young?
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 04:43 AM
Jul 2013

The way we did, with Grunge that amplified angst and bad guitar playing that was "Seattle" even though most of it was just badly done Black Sabbath? Or with our Hair Metal that was just trying to catch a bit of the 1980's as it was fading? Or Punk with it's "three chords and the truth" that hid the fact that no one could play more than three chords?

Let's be fair, the one time we acted "young" was when we voted Clinton into office, because he played the sax on Arsenio Hall.

I can be open and say that while Gen X had good points (mostly because we were honest, and we knew that the world was changing for the worse), I can also call my generation to task, unlike Rall that speaks of them as if they are the only ones to "fix everything." We spent way too much time moaning about the fact that the Boomers had screwed the world up, and all we got was Grunge. The Millennial indeed, could take more risks, but frankly, do we expect them to act like the Rolling Stones, who still act like they were 15 because they played their cards right 30 years ago? The Millenials inherited the crust of the 20th century's dead dreams, and played their hand well.

Rall hates Steampunk?, maybe that is because it takes talent to draw it, something his mock cubist style shows he has NONE of. Rall gets mad at OWS,maybe he should not have slammed it from the start, mocking them, except if they chose to let Black Bloc run the show. I sure as hell did not see him at OWS, unlike many of the Bommers he hates,who actually DID support the Milennials.

In short, do we in Gen X have to become the stupid,closed minded grumps already? It is not like we had that great a youth, we might as well become a different, less banal, type of elder.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
10. Again, different social groups apparently.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:28 AM
Jul 2013

You think Grunge and Hair Metal. I know Detroit Techno and House. I know NY/LA rap.

Again, Rall nor I speak for all in Generation X, Y, or Z. I agree with a few of his points and reading the article did not see a level of rancor that you did. I see lots of problems with ALL generations. But I do agree with him, that before the Milennials begin fixing problems broken by the Boomers, let's give us Xers a chance first. I do see far too many of my friends and co-workers unable to progress professionally because Boomers are not letting go and Milennials believe they should move up the ladders faster. No, I do not think a 28 year should be a Supreme Court Justice for instance.

One thing I will credit my generation for NOT doing is that when we got flack from Boomers and the Silent generation, we didn't whine, say we were actually special so pay attention to us more, and just did our thing.

I see more posts on this forum talking about how special Milennials are than I ever imagined. I have my theories why, but it would take the thread way off-topic.

Speak for yourself, but I and those I know in my generation are quite intelligent (we can actually write whole sentences instead of just Tweets and Text speak), very open minded, and maybe just a little grumpy. It is hard not to be. Most of us struggle with the same economy, lack of jobs, heavy student loan debts, fear of no social safety net when we retire in 25 years, and an increasingly austere and authoritarian political climate in the US - from NSA spying on American citizens to the curtailing of abortion rights as the Milennials do.

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calimary

(89,940 posts)
27. Welcome to DU, UserNSAv32!
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:51 PM
Jul 2013

Good to have you with us! I'd go the other way and ask them to stay - to take over, storm Wall Street, and channel the revolutionary upheaval of the 60's with their Millennial mindsets. Spearhead an "American Spring" taking the best of the "Arab Spring" and applying it here. Forcefully if necessary.

I'd like to see the jamie dimons and other banksters of the world dragged out into the street, stripped naked, and shamed on public display in the middle of the town square. And the young 'uns have the numbers and the muscle power, and the internet/techno savvy, to do it. I'd like to see a huge public price imposed upon the robber-baron contingent as a consequence of their behavior. So far, their greedy, shortsighted, Bain Capital, hedge-fund, quarterly-earnings-only, too-big-to-fail arrogance has only made them rich, famous, coddled, and protected. In other words, their bad behavior has been rewarded, reinforced, encouraged, and lauded. I would LOVE to see that shaken up. We Boomers couldn't figure out how to do it. We always seemed to come up short. Perhaps what's needed is new energy and new blood, and the boldness that comes with youth - before it's ground down and blunted by the sandpaper of harsh, rough, abrasive reality.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
13. The stereotyping of generations is so, so dumb. In the case of Gen X, the journalists are way off.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 07:10 AM
Jul 2013

avebury

(11,196 posts)
16. We hire Millenials in our office.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 07:55 AM
Jul 2013

These are, education wise, very smart kids. When it come to the real world and life though, many of them are totally clueless. The kids are not totally to blame for it because you have to factor their parents into the equation. Helicopter parenting does not necessary create independent young adults. There are times that I really feel like I have to parent some of these kids. I get more annoyed with the parents then I do the kids.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
18. I have never understood all of this generational labeling. I think it's silly
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jul 2013

Who said it was the "Greatest Generation"?
Just because that mushmouthed Tom Brokaw said it on TV one day?

This thing called the "Baby Boomers".
Are all people born between the years 1944-1964 REALLY all the same?

And this "Generation X" stuff.
All I got from that was a catchy name for a pro wrestling group (D-Generation X).

Now it's Generation Y, Generation Z, & so forth. Or the Millenials or whatever.
Every now & then they'll talk about the "generation" before the "Greatest Generation" & call them the "Silent Generation".
Do they call them that because they lived before the talkies?
Do they call them that because they were all deaf-mute?

People are people.
Two people born from the same year can be absolutely different in how they live life.

Is it true that people born in comparable time periods have a certain set of shared cultural experiences? Yes.
But to put this blanket label on so many people seems plain silly to me.

Being born in 1976 I'm supposed to be under Generation X but I didn't spend all my time complaining about my mother who's supposed to be under the Baby Boomer label.
I learned a lot from my grandmother who falls under the Greatest Generation label.
I learn a lot from my younger 20-something year cousin who falls under Millennial Y or whatever they call it.

But one thing I DO know not to do is start that old man griping about the younger folks.
I told myself from a young age that I'm not gonna complain about the things generations after me do.

Because from the beginning of humanity the older generation was always worried that the younger one was gonna destroy the world.
Hasn't quite happened yet so I don't think the new folks will be any different.

People are people.
Enough of these stupid labels.
John Lucas

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
20. You make many valid points.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:59 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Sat Jul 20, 2013, 04:05 PM - Edit history (1)

I disagree with a few though.

Labels are important. We define things. We act based on them. We learn or we do not learn from them. I work in the field of psychology where 'labels' are very important. It is not the essence of the person, however, it helps them to know where they are at and how to be happier someplace else.

For example, all those persons who share a certain set of criteria which defines them symptomatically may be labeled 'depressed'. However, all persons who are labeled 'depressed' are not exactly alike, nor should they be treated alike. That is how generations are in my mind. They share certain commonalities of experience and psychic orientation and yet each one is naturally going to express it in their own unique and individual way.

One thing that has happened in the last 50 years has been an over-valuation of youth. The reasons why older generations previous have worried about younger ones is because they lack knowledge, experience, and the wisdom that is gained form those things. History is replete with examples of young kings and queens who brought more problems than solutions to their kingdoms or countries. Young emperors of Greece and Rome who made fatal mistakes on the battle-field and in the games of politics. Young revolutionaries who ended up becoming far great tyrants than the men and women they were supposedly liberating the people from.

I wear the label of 'grumpy old man' proudly. It means that somehow I have become one of those men that has learned and experienced enough that yes, I have a bit of insight into the patterns of life and the wisdom to choose solutions better thought out than my younger self was capable of doing.

In my twenties, I respected those older than me who had that kind of knowledge and wisdom. I wanted to be like them when I grew older. I never once considered calling them 'grumpy' because they pointed out things about me or my generation that were painfully accurate and true. I work with many Milennials. I teach them. I supervise them. On the whole they are wonderful individuals, and I can still observe traits that they as a generation with their experiences have in common - some good and others bad.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
21. As a gen xer, here is my braod brush of millenials
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:06 PM
Jul 2013
positive - you are on the whole much more tolerant than my generation. i think we Gen Xers were probably the first to really begin to accept LGBT people and mixed race couples (yes it started with Boomers, but lets fce it the 90s were much more gay/mixed race friendly than the 60s or 70s), but it seems to be a no-brainer with you guys.

negative - you seem to expect your parents to come to your rescue more than we ever did. the idea of our parents calling one of our college professors to talk about our grades was frankly unheard of. oh, and skinny jeans wtf?

anyhow that is my aging Gen Xer rant.

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
23. Agree With That Negative
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jul 2013

but don't blame the kids. As a Boomer, the thought of my parents calling a teacher about anything was . But many parents today do this stuff, which is why their kids expect it.

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
24. This Boomer
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jul 2013

wants to know - what the hell is steam punk? Sheesh, even the spellcheck has heard of it. I'm a fogey.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
25. I'm on the cusp of Gen X/Milennial
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 04:18 PM
Jul 2013

(Born in 1980). Since I was a very sheltered child (the only 80s pop culture I know I learned much later on), I identify more with the latter.
(
And while the American Dream used to be to leave your children better off than you are, my Boomer parents are doing the exact opposite. I hear "I'm 62 years old, I deserve this" all the time out of my mother. In my permanent neck of the woods (I just took a contract position out of state), 55+ communities are proliferating because the Boomers are done with the school system and these communities are paying substantially less school taxes. (I've actually convinced a state legislative candidate to drop education from his platform because the majority of the district is 50+). From the Boomer voters I've talked to on the phone, very few care about educating the next generation because their kids are out of the system).

My mom also went off on my cousin's student loan debt situation and said that a summer job should be all she needs to pay for college. I worked my way through college (at a big box store) and that did not cover my expenses and she saw that. She's oblivious to the fact that wages have been stagnant and college costs have far outpaced inflation. My cousin goes to a school that costs 50K+ per year.

My grandmother is worse. She thinks that a college degree (that magical 'piece of paper') is a guarantee to a 50K+ per year job.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
26. Every generation has its challenges.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jul 2013

I'm a Boomer, and almost nothing makes me crazier than to listen to members of my generation talk about how the young people today are lazy, incompetent, and so on. Trust me, when we Boomers first entered the work force our elders thought very little of us.

I spent about twelve years attending a local junior college, and it was quite instructive sitting in the classroom year after year with nineteen year olds. I noticed early on that the Xers tended to work pretty hard at really crappy jobs. They had it much worse than I did at that age. I only had a couple of years with Millenials, but they seemed softer and slightly nicer, but don't think that means I thought the Xers weren't nice. They did have a toughness I admire.

For those of you who think the whole generation labelling is crap, please read the book Generations by William Strauss and Neil Howe. It's very enlightening. For one thing, they tend to define generations by a common set of experiences, not merely birth years. For all that it is twenty years old, it's amazing and accurate in its assessment of things.

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