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[morningfog]

1. This is something that so many refuse to acknowledge. The US

policies and the reaction to the scrutiny of their policies are hurting the US around the globe.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. Ingrates! They're supposed to love the neighborhood bully.

[PDJane]

3. Yes, they are. And Canada is following suit, right now, which is stupid beyond belief.

[DirkGently]

4. We are embracing Rogue Nation status.

No amount of Cheney-esque theories on "American Exceptionalism" (translantion: "We have more guns & money than you&quot will prevent that, if we insist we can

- Lock people up forever with no charges

- Kill anyone, including our own citizens, anywhere, anytime, based on a secret determination they are a "threat."

- Capture and store the electronic communications of anyone without showing cause

No one would be arguing about the criminal nature of any of this if it wasn't "us" doing it.

[nashville_brook]

32. and build a wall more miliarized than the korean border

bc miliartization must happen before Dreamersvarecallowed drivers licenses

[gulliver]

5. If true, thank Snowden.

The NSA is just doing what the democracy wants it to do. Snowden decided to propagandize against and air the dirty laundry of our country. He and Greenwald are the only ones to blame for any "blowback."

[RevStPatrick]

6. That is seriously the stupidest thing I have ever read.

We've been dealing with "blowback" for a generation now.
This is only the latest example.

[gulliver]

7. You honor me. nt

[Skittles]

26. no, seriously, he doesn't

[gulliver]

36. As do you. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. Yeah. They shouldn't be pissed of at us for spying on them, they should be pissed off because they

found out about it.

[gulliver]

9. This response is appreciated. nt

[KittyWampus]

16. LOL! How many countries did S. spotlight spying? Germany, England, OZ, NZ, France, Canada

Did he forget Poland?

But the citizens in those countries are all going to cancel plans to spend here because?

That a small group would recommend and agree with the swill in the OP is both laughable and sad.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. You're right. They're all ever so grateful to us for spying on them.

That's why the regime is making CYA statements about it being "legal" and benevolent.

[KittyWampus]

20. Probaby as grateful their own countries are spying on us…. and them. What American haters don't

grasp is the perfect utopia that exists only in their minds is nothing more than "make the perfect the enemy of the good".

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Yes. We're notorious for applauding all those who spy on us.

And, we expect the same courtesy from our allies.

Right?

[morningfog]

14. How do you get to the conclusion that democray wants this while not wanting to know about it?

[Kolesar]

10. I don't think "less visits to Disneyworld" counts as "blowback"

This part is truly hyperbole:
Unfortunately that is unlikely to be before it has caused significantly higher unemployment in America.
Unlike Americans, most other country's have a healthy disregard and suspicion of their own governments.
They have seen what out of control governments can do, e.g. Germany from 1933.
Yeah, this is just like 1933

[ProSense]

11. Yeah, and

"Backlash against American banks - particularly in places like South America, where American banks have a large share of the market. "

...wouldn't this be great? It's all drivel.

Wait until the real backlash starts hitting :-

Less tourism to the US, Disney etc. will suffer
Less Christmas shopping trips to New York etc.
Boycotts of McDonalds or similar in Europe
Backlash against Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and other tech companies.
Backlash against American banks - particularly in places like South America, where American banks have a large share of the market.

Doom, coming soon!

We are already seeing a transfer away from London to Paris from rich Chinese tourists, because the UK is America's poodle.
We will see the same thing from just about everywhere in the world against America itself.

All sorts of things are going to start happening to America and American businesses because of the spying scandal and criminal behavior of the American government.
And none of them will be good.

The trade negotiations between the EU and US which are supposed to be happening are already being threatened.
The UK and Sweden have managed to limit the scope of the EU questioning of the American spying - but questions are still going to get asked.
Angela Merkel is East German - she knows all about a Stasi surveillance state.
The UK and Sweden are trying to cover up their role in spying for the NSA as much as possible.
The UK and GCHQ are collecting large amounts of data for the NSA.
Sweden has been spying on the Russians for the NSA.

Pure nonsense. I mean, the EU is suffering from regressive austerity policies and China is having its own issues. The trade talks are not in jeopardy. Got a link for the claim that "Sweden has been spying on the Russians for the NSA"?

China’s Ponzi Bicycle Is Running Into A Brick Wall
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/chinas-ponzi-bicycle-is-running-into-a-brick-wall/

WTO sees EU, US trade prowess shifting by 2035

GENEVA (AP) — Any way you look at it, the United States and European Union will remain dominant players in world trade over the next two decades.

The real question, says the World Trade Organization in a new report, is how much ground they cede to rising economies like China.

The WTO's annual trade report says that under good economic conditions, China could increase its export share of manufactured goods to almost a quarter of global trade by 2035 while India's could more than double, to 5 percent.

The report Thursday says that under tougher conditions the EU and U.S. market shares would rise — but they would still lose in absolute terms because of a weaker economy.

- more -

http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2013/07/18/wto-sees-eu-us-trade-prowess-shifting-by-2035

The OP is simply more doom and gloom hyperbolic opportunistic crap reminiscent of the impending depression and "dying empire" nonsense.

[Kolesar]

12. The OP is ghastly, poorly linked sentences

... that really do not constitute a coherent thesis.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

15. One doesn't need to be coherent to get the "Murica is EVIL" cheerleaders to show up. nt

[KittyWampus]

13. LOL! All those people just realized that their own countries ARE DOING THE SAME.

[KittyWampus]

22. WELL! It's a good thing you are so busy trashing the USA then. Too bad your OP's lack any context

or perspective and make it seem we are the evil.

[zappaman]

18. I miss UNREC.

[Catherina]

23. The same people who deny this will just blame it all on the Republicans

and expect everyone to leap to and rally around the most corporate democrat they can find.

[Kolesar]

25. ^File under lugubrious pablum...eom

[RC]

27. +10

[karynnj]

28. 100% conjecture

Why detail a long list of things that could possibly happen - when you can't site a single fact supporting any of this? Do you even have a single source that speaks of people not booking American vacations from some country? Do you see tourist sites trying to stimulate US business (beyond normal to fill those slots)? Are air flights less booked?

Why not write this as what it is - conjecture?

[zappaman]

29. Conjecture, in this case, is just a nice word for BULLSHIT. n/t

[karynnj]

30. Absolutely true - I was not brought up to say it as you did, but I agree

I have a feeling that many in European countries might be completely uninterested in Snowden.

I suspect that other things - like concern of instability affect this more than what for most is not a big issue. Here is the report that shows tourism is up 8% over last year - maybe in a year, his concern could be answered - http://www.trade.gov/press/press-releases/2013/year-to-date-us-travel-and-tourism-exports-contribute-57-9-billion-to-the-us-economy-061313.asp

He might consider that in Britain, they know that the subways are all filmed and the roadways are filmed as well.

[silvershadow]

31. I would only add: there will also be a backlash of sorts from those like me who fully intend to

punish the players and remove myself from their grip, to the extent possible- i.e.: Verizon is getting canceled just as soon as my contract is up, etc. I'm doing it primarily for that reason, so if that's a "backlash", then so be it.

[truedelphi]

33. Thanks for these comments. And even without the NSA, cloud computing

Is unsafe. Companies go bankrupt, or get acquired and then the rules for normal users change.

I was locked out of my YouTube "Fave" page for 18 months, because when Google acquired YouTube, the way userid's were kept would not accept my original userid (which had the underline glyph in it.) Hardly a tragedy - but if that had been everything relating to company records, finances, tax records etc, what would I have been able to do for those 18 months? And although back in the late 1990's, Google still had ways to get in touch with people who can help a small time user out, these days it is not possible.

[madrchsod]

34. backlash? if so i doubt it would last very long

the people that run the world do not it when their world is interrupted by the great unwashed.

[shawn703]

35. Please link to the original source

Which looks to be here, posted on July 8.

http://ian56.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-backlash-against-america-from-nsa.html

Who also posted earlier this little gem:

http://ian56.blogspot.com/2012/05/reasons-to-vote-ron-paul.html?q=ron+paul