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Message auto-removed (Original Post) Name removed Jul 2013 OP
The beauty of this Hydra Jul 2013 #1
On the subject of HP spying, OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #3
I worked for HP back in the 90's Aerows Jul 2013 #10
? OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #12
See below Aerows Jul 2013 #13
I can't see anything below (aside from leveymg.) OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #14
Glad there is no conflict of interest there. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #17
Thank you for an outstanding post! Octafish Jul 2013 #18
Excellent series. Keep 'em coming! One suggestion: leveymg Jul 2013 #4
You are certainly a busy little newbie. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #5
I've been in the IT business for 20 years Aerows Jul 2013 #7
Plenty of others in the IT industry have been posting here on DU. They post useful information. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #9
I guess it is only useful Aerows Jul 2013 #11
Considering the volume of information, I notice the Truth Squad hasn't found anything to nitpick. leveymg Jul 2013 #20
I miss UNREC. zappaman Jul 2013 #6
Do you work in IT? Aerows Jul 2013 #8
Welcome to DU DemocratFor Justice. K&R. n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2013 #15
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #16
Please link to the original source shawn703 Jul 2013 #19

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
1. The beauty of this
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jul 2013

Is that it undermines the idea that the "market" is being given free play and that customers are given choices.

It's all a sham.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
2. On the subject of HP spying,
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:02 PM
Jul 2013

Viet Dinh was a big proponent.

Viet D. Dinh
http://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/dinh-viet-d.cfm#

During his time at the Department of Justice, Dinh played a key role in developing legal policy initiatives to combat terrorism—namely, the USA Patriot Act.


Dinh is on the Board of Directors for News Corp:



Guess who's leading News Corp's own investigation of phone-hacking?

News Corp. Director Leading Phone-Hack Probe Has Personal Ties to Murdoch
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-06/dinh-s-ties-to-murdoch-under-fire-as-point-man-in-hacking-probe.html

News Corp. (NWSA)’s independent directors, obligated to assess Rupert Murdoch and other top executives’ handling of the company’s phone-hacking scandal, are relying for guidance on Viet Dinh, a board member with personal ties to the Murdoch family.

Dinh, 43, is point man between the independent board members and a panel that New York-based News Corp. (NWS) created to cooperate with authorities probing phone hacking by the defunct News of the World tabloid and to evaluate company standards.

A Washington attorney and Georgetown University Law Center professor, Dinh has been a friend of Chief Executive Officer Rupert Murdoch’s oldest son Lachlan since 2003 and is godfather to Lachlan’s second child. In 1992, a decade before they met, the South China Morning Post, then owned by Murdoch, helped Dinh free his sister from a Hong Kong refugee camp.

“Usually it’s required that an investigation like this is undertaken by a committee of independent directors,” said Jay Lorsch, a Harvard Business School professor who has served on the boards of four publicly traded companies. “It’s very hard to be objective if you’re involved in any way -- financially or emotionally -- with the family of the chief executive you are supposed to be supervising.”


Michael Mukasey's law firm is advising Dinh.

News Corp. Independent Directors Hire Debevoise Law Firm
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-19/news-corp-independent-directors-hire-debevoise-firm-s-white-mukasey.html

News Corp. (NWSA)’s independent directors hired the law firm Debevoise & Plimpton LLP, according to Mary Jo White, a partner at the firm and the former U.S. attorney in New York.

Michael Mukasey, who served as U.S. attorney general under George W. Bush, will join White in representing directors, Suzanne Elio, a spokeswoman for the firm, said today.

“Debevoise & Plimpton has been retained to advise Viet Dinh in his supervision of the Management and Standards Committee on behalf of the independent members of the board,” Elio said in an e-mail.
She declined to comment further.

Dinh, who runs a small law firm in Washington that specializes in damage control, and venture capital executive Tom Perkins are leading the efforts of independent directors, who hold nine of 16 board seats. Dinh, also a professor at Georgetown University and the chief architect of the USA Patriot Act, represented Perkins, a former Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ) director, during a scandal at that company.


What happened at HP?

Hewlett-Packard spying scandal sheds new light on US corporate “ethics”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/10/hepa-o02.html

The spying campaign, launched by H-P board Chairwoman Patricia Dunn in response to leaks to the press of internal corporate discussions, included surreptitiously obtaining the phone records of H-P board members and employees, surveillance of board members and journalists, and the emailing of spyware to journalists in an effort to learn the identity of their sources within the company.

Private telephone records on hundreds of cell and home telephones were obtained by a method called “pretexting,” in which investigators made repeated calls to telephone companies, pretending to be the individuals targeted, until they were able to convince a phone company employee to release the information.

~snip~

Perhaps the most elaborate plan was a sting operation involving the creation of a dummy employee, codenamed “Jacob,” who was to become a source for CNET reporter Dawn Kawamoto, the journalist under the most intense surveillance. “Jacob” was to become an email tipster to CNET, and actually supplied Kawamoto with some valid inside information to establish his credibility.
Then the phony informant was to be used for a blatantly illegal purpose: he was to send Kawamoto an email with attached spyware that would install itself on the journalist’s computer and track every subsequent keystroke, thus giving H-P investigators a full view of everything she did.

Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #2)

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
10. I worked for HP back in the 90's
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:31 PM
Jul 2013

I love how people on this board pretend that people that actually worked in the field are idiots.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
12. ?
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jul 2013
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
13. See below
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jul 2013

I stated that I've been in IT for 20 years (and I have) yet a poster says that plenty of other people have posted also and they are far more credible. If I'm not credible based upon some of the posts I've made, I'll never be credible to those that seek to discredit long term IT folks for an agenda.

I wasn't referring to you, my friend. You are absolutely right.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
14. I can't see anything below (aside from leveymg.)
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:44 PM
Jul 2013

None of those posters are worth your time to read.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
17. Glad there is no conflict of interest there.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:46 PM
Jul 2013

Geesh.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. Thank you for an outstanding post!
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:50 PM
Jul 2013

Been wondering how the Alien has kept his pimply arse out of gaol.

Mukasey. LOL, if it weren't so tragic for democracy and the United States.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
4. Excellent series. Keep 'em coming! One suggestion:
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jul 2013

Please put a link to the previous installments at the bottom of each one as they appear so we can all go back and read the rest.

Great work.

P.S. - Did you come across anything more recent than the Clinton Admin on how the CIA has a mercenary role gathering global intel for US firms? (I remember reading about that at the time) The State Dept is quite open about it. Also, you might mention for context that the US law in question that requires NSA diverters on all telco and ISP switches and routers is THE 1995 CALEA.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
5. You are certainly a busy little newbie.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:25 PM
Jul 2013
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
7. I've been in the IT business for 20 years
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:28 PM
Jul 2013

It doesn't take a "busy little newbie" to know what goes on in our industry. It does, however, take a person that is willfully blind to ignore data and facts about out industry to dismiss them.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
9. Plenty of others in the IT industry have been posting here on DU. They post useful information.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:31 PM
Jul 2013
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
11. I guess it is only useful
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jul 2013

if it solidifies your own position. You can take that for what it is worth.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
20. Considering the volume of information, I notice the Truth Squad hasn't found anything to nitpick.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jul 2013

That always tells me something - the info is essentially factual, but the conclusions drawn are upsetting. You guys are also moving into ad hominem mode (attack the messenger's ideological basis), and that too is all too familiar. That's a sign that the message is persuasive enough to be perceived as threatening.

Carry on.

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
6. I miss UNREC.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jul 2013
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
8. Do you work in IT?
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:29 PM
Jul 2013

What is your position?

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
15. Welcome to DU DemocratFor Justice. K&R. n/t
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:49 PM
Jul 2013
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
16. K & R !!!
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jul 2013

shawn703

(2,712 posts)
19. Please link to the original source
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 04:05 PM
Jul 2013

Found here:

http://ian56.blogspot.com/2013/07/cisco-routers-and-switches-have-back.html

It seems all of your "NSA blowback" threads have come from this one blog. Written by a Paulite, I might add.

http://ian56.blogspot.com/2012/05/reasons-to-vote-ron-paul.html?q=ron+paul

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