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Are we facing down the end of the conservative death grip on religion in America? It's true that religious progressives have always been a part of the conversationit's not just Republican politicians who pay fealty to God in their public speeches and appearancesbut by and large, when faith is discussed in public forums, it's almost always religious conservatives using it as a cudgel to attack women's rights, gay rights, and secularism. That may be changing, however, as the numbers of religious progressives are on the rise, according to the Public Religion Research Institute. In fact, for people ages 18-33, religious progressives outnumber religious conservatives. ThinkProgress reports:
According to the survey, 23 percent of people aged 18 to 33 are religious progressives, while 22 percent are nonreligious and 17 percent are religious conservatives. By contrast, only 12 percent of those aged 66 to 88 are religious progressives, whereas 47 percent are said to be religious conservatives.
This demographic shift might go a long way to explaining why anti-choice politicians have chosen now to be the time to drastically dial up the number of attacks on reproductive rights. Abortion has been legal for 40 years, and until recently, anti-choicers mostly chipped away at access quietly and without much notice from the press. Lately, however, anti-choicers have turned up the volume, attacking abortion accessand contraceptionwith a frenzy that seems as if they think this is the last chance they'll ever get. Numbers like the ones produced by this survey suggest that they aren't wrong to think they're running out of time.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/07/22/religious_progressives_outnumber_religious_conservatives_ages_18_33_does.html
Can't come soon enough if you ask me!
byeya
(2,842 posts)of what you've posted, we've yet to see the political clout those numbers should bring.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Also, progressive religious groups have been instrumental in many of the gains in the area of GLBT equality.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The religious right is defined by an opposition to that very idea. So you're always going to see religion in politics in a right-wing light
zentrum
(9,870 posts)...because they are useful to the forces of financial power.
They get media cover and air time and cash beyond what their numbers deserve, because the religious right's agenda supports the ideology of the 1%: Destroy Obamacare, don't fight global warming, have a warlike foreign policy, destroy any education that leads to critical thinking. And on and on.
The progressive left doesn't have that kind of support. I'm always amazed when we win an election because of the misinformation and disinformation in all our MSM outlets.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And I saw it grow over the years...it was a one hand washing the other with right wing preachers getting rich and the rich getting what they wanted from them.
I saw the beginnings of it in the early 70s
Warpy
(114,569 posts)and those cracks are turning into chasms. The party will go the way of the Whigs if they don't find a way to get the Reagan base of religious wingnuts to leave. Abandoning the antiabortion plank in the party platform would do that nicely.
However, they'll more likely remain in a dance of death, the plutocracy and the ignorant mass of religious zealots, each side strangling the other slowly but neither willing to let go of an alliance that brought them so much power disproportionate to their numbers.
Millennium Fever has fled, the Rapture didn't happen, and prosperity theology is showing itself to be a scam for everybody but the preacher. They're not getting the tither butts in the pews like they used to and the young have outright abandoned them.
I'm looking forward to the 2016 convention. I just wonder if the fistfights will be televised.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I think the issue of religion is going to tear them up right down the middle.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Now bring on those fist fights you speak of.
Dawson Leery
(19,564 posts)Clinton brought the affluent/educated suburbs into the Democratic column.
zappaman
(20,627 posts)+1000
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)NoPasaran
(17,317 posts)Wednesdays
(22,484 posts)But their days as a national power are long gone.
AmBlue
(3,460 posts)At least I certainly hope so. Because the smackdown they got in 2012 wasn't quite enough.
Let's make it happen!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)and are moving forward to 2014 - praying to their gawd that they don't lose too much if any in the house and win in the senate (although I don't think they will).
Gopers have the monies and the resources, i.e. print newspapers, corporate internet news sites and of course corporate media and although lying is against most religions the gopers truly believe that lying, cheating and stealing is GAWD's will. They are insane.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Every time they lose a seat, or even have a narrow race, they tell themselves it's because their candidate wasn't conservative enough. They've concocted this mythology where most of the nation is not only conservative, but also hates liberals as much as they do. Since in hteir head no one would ever vote for a democrat (except for gays and blacks and muslims and whoever else they hate at the moment) they assume losses and close contests are the result of hardcore conservatives casting protest votes against the "RINO" on the ticket.
So they respond by getting even crazier. of course crazy doesn't win elections, which is why they're doing all their vote-rigging and shit.
AmBlue
(3,460 posts)How many hundreds of millions of corporate $$$$ was spent in 2012??? Yet, with all that, they could NOT buy our votes and they lost BIG. They got spanked. I really don't see how they've won hearts and minds since then either. Quite to the contrary.
The only way I see that they could *win* 2014 is if they flat out steal it, and I wouldn't put it past them. We all need to devote time and efforts to election protection and turning back the suppression of voting rights (such as in NC) right NOW, as much or more than we do for GOTV efforts.
Gus Lammas
(61 posts)But doubting it.
trof
(54,274 posts)BrainMann1
(460 posts)no pun intended. What needs to be said is that some know little about a religion and condemn it for what it states. Always remember Christ said render what is Caesar to Caesar and to God that of God. I will not be condemned for my beliefs as long as I follow Gods law and comply to the law of the land. If the law says gay marriage is the law then that's fine. I'll follow the law of man. It does not mean I have to like it. Nuff said.
surrealAmerican
(11,858 posts)Just because a person is in a category now doesn't mean they will stay in that category as they age.
on point
(2,506 posts)BornLooser
(106 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)drip ... drip ... drip ...
William769
(59,147 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)There are just too many nuts out there.
randome
(34,845 posts)They will either not recover from these twin 'disasters' or they will remake themselves into a force for the 21st century, thereby weakening their very reason for existence.
Game over!
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LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)The younger evangelicals tend to be less hateful than their parents, but the younger reformed sorts out-crazy their parents.
The good news is that they're generally too divided over seemingly tiny theological differences to form effective coalitions.
Myrina
(12,296 posts).... the Koch & ALEC GOP has infiltrated all levels of gov't so thoroughly that they don't need the Religious fundamental votes anymore. They can be tossed overboard.
I always said Reagan/Bush GOP didn't give a shit about the social/religious issues, it was all about makin' dat cash. They only embraced the Moral Majority folks as a means to win elections & kill regulations that kept them from looting and pillaging.
Dawson Leery
(19,564 posts)Shrub was a born again kook. Unlike Nixon and Reagan, Dubya believed all that nonsense about talking directly to Jesus and the end times.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It might just make me start believing in god.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)That's not to say it is not still a force - but greatly diminished. To an extent they are coming to the conclusion that on the more radical elements of their social agenda - they have lost. Even a Sarah Palin has to say, "Well I have gay friends." Thirty-five years ago - even most liberals where unaware that they had gay friends. Of course thirty-five years ago - fundamentalist brands of Protestant Christianity were by far the fastest growing religious denominations and they were starting to flex their political muscles. Now these sort of churches are loosing their numbers and even many Evangelicals are softening their positions.