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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:21 PM Jul 2013

NO PLACE For Principled Lefties




DailyKos:


The victory represented by the election of Barack Obama was also a tragedy, as it turns out. The sellout was predictable, perhaps inevitable but was surprising in its swiftness and completeness. From day one it was clear that we'd been had. The 1% neocon/neoliberal cabal wasted no time asserting itself through their new spokesperson. President Obama, as presidents do, made his loyalty to the empire evident. Overnight, it seems, proud revolutionaries, dissidents and radicals (not all of them of course) became simpering sycophants who suddenly couldn't find anything wrong with the system they once claimed to oppose.



As an anti-racist for all of my adult life and then some, I know about white privilege. I've written about it myself. I've observed it, experienced it and benefited unfairly from it. It's existence is beyond question and it is certainly an important matter that deserves our full attention as a society. Racism is wrong. All forms of racism are wrong. But for white privilege to be used as an argument against criticizing government surveillance is absurd. Not only is it absurd, it's underhanded. Black people have been historically abused by government so now for white people to complain about government abuses is white privilege. As if historical abuses get grandfathered in. They are to be endured without complaint. Not resisted, overturned or changed. Just STFU and take your medicine. It's illogical, inaccurate, harmful and self-destructive. It's a new way of tainting critics of the Obama administration with the charge of racism.



People fight dirty when they can't win a fair fight. Don't like what I write but can't refute a word of it? Accuse me of calling people Nazis and hope some ignorant fools believe it. Can't defend the shameful misconduct of our government but can't bear for it to be criticized? Call critics racists, accuse them of wallowing in white privilege, and hope some ignorant fools believe it. Some critics of Obama are racists, especially on the right, and racist criticism of Obama bothers me as much as it does anyone. We've all seen it and it's been shameful. As a nation, we should be ashamed. Racism is for idiots and assholes. I live for the day when racism no longer plagues us. But labeling non-racist critics as racist is as wrong as racism itself.



There is a larger problem with privilege in this society. It's what Barack Obama sold us out to. Privilege is privilege and real privilege, the kind that permeates our government and the halls of power in Washington DC, is not based on color, it's based on class/wealth/power. The privilege of the big checkbook crowd, the privilege of the 1%. That's the privilege we should all be united in railing against – not protecting. Dividing us like this is how they win. If a black man in the oval office is all it took to take the revolution out of your soul, you were never much of a revolutionary to begin with. It's almost a certainty that I will be called racist for writing this by people who oppose my criticism and dissent and who don't mind being wildly inaccurate and utterly dishonest. Don't you believe it.





http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/20/1225166/-No-place-for-principled-lefties
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NO PLACE For Principled Lefties (Original Post) Segami Jul 2013 OP
Recommended Autumn Jul 2013 #1
Great piece. 99Forever Jul 2013 #2
... Segami Jul 2013 #8
Opal, one of the few people left on DK worth reading. I remember when they tried to drive him off sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #3
dKos is a waste of space to me although when Kos himself writes, I agree with most of what he byeya Jul 2013 #29
Yes, I agree. Both HuffPo and Kos are a waste of my time. nt Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #38
K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #4
DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #5
Wow. Now that is some bracing, unvarnished truth. woo me with science Jul 2013 #6
"Dividing US Like This Is HOW THEY WIN." Segami Jul 2013 #7
Me too. zeemike Jul 2013 #33
...and now I'm a prop that people drag out when they need to make a point. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #9
I'm sorry to hear that. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #10
You have a persecution complex? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #13
Newsflash: You're not that special. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #39
k&r thanks for posting. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #11
... Segami Jul 2013 #12
I hate to say it, as a two-time Obama voter, but there's a lot of truth in this piece. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #14
I came out of hiatus to vote for Obama twice. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #42
"The victory represented by the election of Barack Obama was also a tragedy, as it turns out." geek tragedy Jul 2013 #15
Except for the fact that, in very important ways, he really wasn't Bradley Manning: struggle4progress Jul 2013 #16
well, ellsberg says he was manning, so i guess he knows better than you. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #17
or mebbe he doesn't have the mental edge he once had: that he has sometimes been struggle4progress Jul 2013 #19
yeah, yeah, he's got alzheimers.... HiPointDem Jul 2013 #20
Well of course. zeemike Jul 2013 #34
I used to minimize and trivialize the person rather than the position too. LanternWaste Jul 2013 #53
Blatant Ageism hueymahl Jul 2013 #56
Or maybe he and most DUers know better usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #43
K&R. nt DLevine Jul 2013 #18
Sadly, I agree with much of this although cali Jul 2013 #21
Kicked and Recommended nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #22
Good grief ProSense Jul 2013 #23
"I call bullshit" Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #24
Yeah, I'm in shock at your response. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #25
You don't make any sense, "Pro" or otherwise. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #44
It's ProSense Jul 2013 #68
You still don't get it. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #70
Um, I think you missed his point zipplewrath Jul 2013 #45
And you should know. EOTE Jul 2013 #67
du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #26
really sad G_j Jul 2013 #27
^ Wilms Jul 2013 #28
K n R Myrina Jul 2013 #30
"......never much of a revolutionary to begin with." democrank Jul 2013 #31
they've sublimated it: they literally believe that pulling the lever like a rat in a pleasure MisterP Jul 2013 #36
Recommend. KoKo Jul 2013 #32
I may be a wrong when I say this..... N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2013 #35
Beautifully expressed. K&R for my sentiments exactly. nt Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #37
How Mike Gravel got the papers into the record is a fascinating story. L0oniX Jul 2013 #40
If I could Rec it twice, I would Savannahmann Jul 2013 #41
Here's your opportunity: emulatorloo Jul 2013 #76
he is just sad now nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #46
bullshit kentuck Jul 2013 #47
I KNOW. bvar22 Jul 2013 #48
lol arely staircase Jul 2013 #49
Awesome. nt EOTE Jul 2013 #66
K&R lark Jul 2013 #50
Good read, Thanks. haikugal Jul 2013 #51
Kick and Rec! Fuddnik Jul 2013 #52
K and R bigwillq Jul 2013 #54
As many suddenly rich artists have found, there are levels of privilege within Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #55
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #57
thank you nt navarth Jul 2013 #58
Now everyone is saying this dbackjon Jul 2013 #59
May I suggest Cryptoad Jul 2013 #60
How right ( correct) you are! Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #61
I'm just so damned tired of being lied to pscot Jul 2013 #62
Big ups Doctor_J Jul 2013 #63
Obama and the corporate Dem party are a disgrace. They are 80's Republicans. Skeeter Barnes Jul 2013 #64
I OPPOSED everything about the 80's Republicans. bvar22 Jul 2013 #71
Because THEY know you have ONLY two REAL choices to vote into power. Segami Jul 2013 #74
More like we are plating THIS "game". bvar22 Jul 2013 #75
'But labeling non-racist critics as racist is as wrong' markiv Jul 2013 #65
K&R NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #69
Some very thought-provoking words: kentuck Jul 2013 #72
"Change" you can beLIEve in !!! blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #73
K&R MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #77

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
3. Opal, one of the few people left on DK worth reading. I remember when they tried to drive him off
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:28 PM
Jul 2013

the board but he was way too popular and the old Third Way over there failed.

It was nasty, the Third Way works hard to rid the Democratic Party of real Progressive Democrats and they always underestimate the strength of real Democrats, as they did then.

I see their 'talking point' has made its way to DK too. That's how you know it is a 'strategy', you see it all over the place. This one, the charge of racism being another attempt to silence people and yet another failure.

They just don't get it. People are seriously angry over the way things are and all their prepared talking points, attacks, and strategies are doing the opposite of what they want, they fueling the anger and making people even more determined to stand up for their principles.

I wonder who the morons are who think this stuff up?


 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
29. dKos is a waste of space to me although when Kos himself writes, I agree with most of what he
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 09:08 AM
Jul 2013

says.
That was up to two years ago when I stopped even looking at the site. It's Neoliberal and Likudnik in large part so I don't bother with it. Huffpo is terrible and I stopped going there but the info, if you can get at it, is usually better and more comprehensive.
There are some good sites for information and I am thankful for them.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
13. You have a persecution complex?
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:57 AM
Jul 2013

After all your tirades you think people use you and your words to make a point? What point would that be?

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
14. I hate to say it, as a two-time Obama voter, but there's a lot of truth in this piece.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 02:25 AM
Jul 2013

Mind you, the second time around was more of a vote against Romney, but even still I've found myself questioning that decision. Will I still vote Dem in 2016? Probably, but only for lack of better options. The whole thing just bums me the fuck out...

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
42. I came out of hiatus to vote for Obama twice.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:58 PM
Jul 2013

For a third time, the Democrats will have to earn my vote. If they don't earn it, they won't get it.

Signed,

Fed Up

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. "The victory represented by the election of Barack Obama was also a tragedy, as it turns out."
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 02:27 AM
Jul 2013

I guess he wants his country back.

struggle4progress

(126,083 posts)
16. Except for the fact that, in very important ways, he really wasn't Bradley Manning:
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 03:52 AM
Jul 2013

Here's the complete Pentagon papers, all 7000 pages of it: http://www.archives.gov/research/pentagon-papers/

Senator Gravel's edition of the papers doesn't run over 2500 pages

So Mr Ellsberg didn't end up just dumping everything randomly: he released one multi-volume study -- and actually not all of it

And Ellsberg knew what he was releasing

The volume of Manning's release is many many times greater -- and it was indiscriminate. Manning release, if published in paper, wouldn't run to four or five volumes: it would run to 1000 or 1500 volumes. If Manning, from the time he arrived in Iraq until the time he was arrested, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, did nothing but READ what he released, he couldn't have spent more than 30 seconds per page -- without any time for eating, sleeping, shitting, showering, or anything else

Manning didn't know what he was releasing. He was just busily releasing it

That's a big difference

struggle4progress

(126,083 posts)
19. or mebbe he doesn't have the mental edge he once had: that he has sometimes been
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 05:37 AM
Jul 2013

quite impressive doesn't imply that everything he says and does ever afterwards is brilliant and insightful

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
53. I used to minimize and trivialize the person rather than the position too.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jul 2013

I used to minimize and trivialize the person rather than the position too. But after I became an adult, I realized that it advertised who I was more than it countered any premise I may not like...

hueymahl

(2,904 posts)
56. Blatant Ageism
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jul 2013

And I am not being funny. Just because he has some wrinkles, you say he has lost his "edge". Yet you have no proof other than maybe seeing some other old person who is suffering mentally (if I am wrong and you have direct proof, please share and I will apologize). What is the difference between what you said and saying because someone is black he must be good at basketball?

On top of ageism, it is a attempt to slur him because you don't like his opinion. Not really the kind of discourse that is helpful.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. Sadly, I agree with much of this although
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 05:59 AM
Jul 2013

I think the first paragraph is on the reductionist side.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
23. Good grief
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 06:47 AM
Jul 2013

"The victory represented by the election of Barack Obama was also a tragedy, as it turns out...As an anti-racist for all of my adult life and then some, I know about white privilege...Just STFU and take your medicine. It's illogical, inaccurate, harmful and self-destructive. It's a new way of tainting critics of the Obama administration with the charge of racism...But labeling non-racist critics as racist is as wrong as racism itself."

...what whining apologists bullshit. These diaries are all part of the DKos pure-than-you flame wars. OPOL writes them constantly, and has been doing so for years. He gets called out for questionable references to race.

He wrote this in response to Obama's speech on Trayvon Martin.

I call bullshit.

Dividing us like this is how they win. If a black man in the oval office is all it took to take the revolution out of your soul, you were never much of a revolutionary to begin with. It's almost a certainty that I will be called racist for writing this by people who oppose my criticism and dissent and who don't mind being wildly inaccurate and utterly dishonest. Don't you believe it.

What fucking hypocrisy dripping with irony, like there was a fucking revolution going on during the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush years.

Ridiculous shit!



Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
44. You don't make any sense, "Pro" or otherwise.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jul 2013

He's referring to people who really wanted a change (revolutionaries), but just because a black man became president, shouldn't have squelched our need for change. How you missed that point, is beyond me.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
68. It's
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 08:31 PM
Jul 2013

"He's referring to people who really wanted a change (revolutionaries), but just because a black man became president, shouldn't have squelched our need for change. How you missed that point, is beyond me. "

...a stupid fucking point. Revolution or "revolutionaries," the notion that anyone lost anything "because a black man became president" is bullshit.

I mean, is he talking about fake "revolutionaries"?

This is all drivel, confusing a bunch of people who voted for and continue to support the President with imaginary "revolutionaries."

Like I said, what the fuck kind of revolution were these people fighting over the last 30 years that they would sell out just because Obama became President?

Stupid hyperbolic drivel from someone who can't come to grips with reality.



zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)
45. Um, I think you missed his point
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jul 2013

The "revolution" to which he referes (which is a stretch in my esitmation) is the mood that brought Obama into office. It was built out of alot of different constituencies on alot of different issues. He suggests that many of those have been unmet/underwhelming. All he is saying is that if one considered themselves a "revolutionary" to have been part of that time, and yet the mere election of a black man as president satisfied ones sense of revolution regardless of whether ones issues were met, it was a tad shallow.

I'm not sure where the hypocrisy is in that, and I think I may actually be missing any irony either.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
67. And you should know.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 08:22 PM
Jul 2013

You bring whining, apologist bullshit to an art form, after all.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
36. they've sublimated it: they literally believe that pulling the lever like a rat in a pleasure
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jul 2013

experiment is lefter than every thing that happened in Reds put together

the same faction also insists that the left must be destroyed: this produces a one-two punch to batter politics further right

N_E_1 for Tennis

(12,990 posts)
35. I may be a wrong when I say this.....
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:33 PM
Jul 2013

But it seems to me that some of the very ardent supporters of Obama, may be afraid that they too are racist. Please let me explain.

I believe that we all have a touch of racism in us. We don't want to admit it, in fact we try to hide it, and deny it away. We hate that we have that in us. Of course it is not the blind hate, obvious racism we encounter, it is much different than that. It is a fear of difference. It is a fear of "You may think I'm racist". It leads to a different way of warped thinking. We support too vigorously, with a blatant disregard of the facts that are in front of us. Truthfully, though, before you cut and paste my comments to return them to me adding your thoughts at the end, think a little. I will not proclaim my race here, it is of no consequence, all races are at fault.

That being the premise, true critism of someone "different" than us is hard, if not impossible, in our own eyes. We may tend to embrace the policies of that person in disregard of our own beliefs, else we get branded as a racist.

If this is not the case, why than are some Democrats not opposed to the blatant assault on our rights? We had no problem chastising Bush, Romney, Bush2, or other politicians of any race that showed us their untoward policies. Is it a respect of the office? We had no problem holding "feet to the fire" with any other President, why now?

I voted for President Obama twice, I thought a great and glorious change was evident in this country because of his stand. I was willing to embrace the idea of " It will take time, he inherited a garbage pile". Time is running out! Now I'm more pragmatic, it not going to happen. Not with the current atmosphere in Washington and across the nation. I expected a revolution of thought and policy, a small systems change leading to greater rewards in the future for my children and grands, so they could grow up with the same promise of future that I great up with. I weep for them, I will continue to fight for them.

Corporate power is now ruling America. They are the true enemy. Corporate money owns most people in power. How can you go against the very ones that put you in the post you hold? You can't! This should be our fight.

Corporations not only owns politicians, they own us. This is what we must defend our country against.

I had my own small business. I am a marketing and business graduate. I used most of the techniques that are being foisted upon us, for profit. Although, I have to say the current techniques are awesome. Lies, disinformation, deflection, who do you trust? That is the end game.

Who do you trust?

Eom, Greg..

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
48. I KNOW.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jul 2013

...and this is his 2nd term.
He was supposed to be able to come out now and show his true colors now that he doesn't have to worry about Re-election.
Guess he did.

Did you see who he is considering appointing as Chairman of The FED???!!!!!
That IS just sad.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
55. As many suddenly rich artists have found, there are levels of privilege within
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jul 2013

the ranks of privilege.

Being born into the right family gives one entree to the top levels, money only gets you the privilege of pay their tabs.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
59. Now everyone is saying this
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 05:30 PM
Jul 2013

Where the hell where you in 2008 and 2009 when the Ibama Admin laughed at gay rights???

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
60. May I suggest
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jul 2013

that you far left winger join forces with the Far Right wingers,,,, yall seem to have a lot in common

Anarchy!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
63. Big ups
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jul 2013

all the highlights are in there. The Republican party has been filled with disgusting people for decades. Now my party has a lot of them too. It is heartbreaking, and I have to admit that when I spent time and money and my vote for Obama in 2008, I had absolutely no clue that he would be the death of the party.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
74. Because THEY know you have ONLY two REAL choices to vote into power.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:07 AM
Jul 2013

Republican or Democratic Party.

The fact is, they're playing political Texas Holdem' with the voters and THEY know exactly what two cards the voter is holding in their hand.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
65. 'But labeling non-racist critics as racist is as wrong'
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 08:13 PM
Jul 2013

as calling non-communists communists. that was called 'McCarthyism'

Only difference between then and now, is that back in the 1950s, they had an Edward R Murrow

we have no such person today

kentuck

(115,393 posts)
72. Some very thought-provoking words:
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 10:02 PM
Jul 2013

"Privilege is privilege and real privilege, the kind that permeates our government and the halls of power in Washington DC, is not based on color, it's based on class/wealth/power. The privilege of the big checkbook crowd, the privilege of the 1%. That's the privilege we should all be united in railing against – not protecting."

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