About perverts who are flashers.

[Cleita]

When I was in college I had a gal pal, who had a younger sister, who was movie star gorgeous. She, of course, attracted all the hot guys, but by some joke of destiny also attracted sexual perverts. It wasn't that we didn't get the occasional pervert exposing themselves to us, especially at the beach, but little sister was getting unsolicited sexual harassment from strange men on an almost daily basis. It ranged anywhere from inappropriate grabbing of genitals in front of her, exposure of genitals, dirty talk and even having her hand grabbed and placed on some strange perv's junk at the movies.

Which brings me to Anthony Weiner. Some woman on Steph's show put her finger on it. Before the days of social media, he would have been hanging around the park in a rain coat flashing his junk to every attractive young woman who passed by. The guy is a sexual pervert and I don't know if there is a cure for that. All I can say is run Huma run.

Remember, this is not sexual deviance or a different approach to gaining sexual satisfaction. There is often an unwilling victim involved like my friend's little sister. Anthony Weiner is a sexual pervert IMHO.

[allin99]

1. Did he send his dick to random people?...

i thought he was flirting, then sexting, then sending.

it wasn't like

-"oh hi, i hope you get back into politics"

-*dick pic*

[Cleita]

2. Don't think that could have been done on a rotary phone. eom

[allin99]

3. So the equivilant is not random flashing but...

enganging in person, flirting, engaging in sex talk then calling each other on the rotary phone and describing sex.

[Cleita]

7. You're talking about consensual behavior, I think, but frankly I don't know what you are getting at.

Flashing is engaging an unwilling person in your deviant behavior and when I worked as a medical receptionist, there is a brand of sexual deviants who like to talk dirty over the phone to women at the office, but they especially like to talk to the girls in the doctor's office. I think they think we are nurses. Whatever form it takes, it's about unwilling victims. Now I know there are numbers you can call and pay someone to talk dirty to them, or websites you can send photos of your junk to and pay for it, but to do so to an unsuspecting women is nothing more than involving a victim.

[allin99]

10. Right, which is why i asked, did he send his dick to random people...

i don't know, i'm asking.

[Cleita]

12. Even flashers are not random. They select their victims, usually very young pretty girls.

Believe me they don't expose themselves to an old lady like me, although they did when I was a teen and twenty.

[allin99]

27. i mean the people who he sent the texts to...

did it go

text random number and send dick pic?

texting non-sexual stuff then dick pic?

texting flirty things random dick pic?

texting flirty sexy then an offer of a dick pic?

sexting then dick pic?

there is a big difference btwn #1#2, #3, and 4, 5.

1-3 is random flashing
4 is not good
5 is very typical sexting.

[Cleita]

29. I don't know what has become of this country.

We seem not to know how a person can be victimized by unsolicited sexual advances. We seem to think it's okay. Considering most of the victims are women, I can see how this kind of thinking is pervasive, in a day and age that thinks it's okay to tell women what they can do with their reproductive organs.

[JVS]

45. Why do you keep not answering the questions?

[Aerows]

138. Probably because she's just been a flashee

like me, and not a flasher and doesn't know what the fuck goes through their minds when they flash random women like we are supposed to be impressed.

[JVS]

140. That makes no difference in the ability to know what the facts of the case are.

[Aerows]

142. That may be true

but trying to figure out what is going through a flasher's head? I'll leave that to someone else!

[JVS]

145. That's not what was asked. What was asked was whether the pics were unsolicited or not.

[Aerows]

146. Hard to say

Whole thing gives me the willies.

[tblue37]

162. At least one of the women from the original situation,

Genette Cordova, the 21-year-old college student to whom the original picture of the erect member was tweeted, said that she had never met Weiner and never had any inappropriate exchanges with him. She says she actually never even saw the photo before it got deleted after being screen-grabbed (pun NOT intended!) by the RWer. (Dan Wolfe or something was his name, I think.)

Anyway, it sure sounds as though Weiner was trying to send her a picture she had not asked for and that she had not done anything to indicate that she might welcome such correspondence.

[zappaman]

154. Ha!

[Aerows]

169. I know

I was wrong. I couldn't help myself.

[allin99]

48. depends on what he did...

but yes, it is a different age.

these days if a person is enganged in sexual texting with someone, (just like phone sex of yore) and you are telling them where you're gonna put it and how, and they respond that they would like you to do that and you say "ive got a big one" "ooh that sounds hot" it is not atypical for the person to let you know exactly what they have in their pants. lol. esp if you have been involved in sexting with that person over a period of time. that person is not a victim. it is not the same as a flasher. and that goes the same as what it would have been like in any time if the person was saying to the other person "i want your ----- in ----- and ------ ------ ------". Perhaps that would not have been the case at all back in the day but it would have been whatever the sexual equivilant would have been back in the 50's, i just have no idea what that would be.

however, if that was not the case, and it is what i described in 1-3, that is flashing.

[iemitsu]

71. It is a different age and our sexting can be enjoyed by the NSA as well

as those we sext.
Just imagine the scholarly studies that the NSA's collection will someday support. Evidence ad-nauseam, on every topic.
I don't know about you but I want my sex talk and photos of my genitals included in the history.

[Cleita]

79. Best post in this thread yet!

[iemitsu]

164. I even wonder what role the NSA has had in our

knowing anything about Weiner's sext life, in the first place.

[kestrel91316]

57. Do we know for a fact that his sexting was unsolicited and unwanted? I was under the

distinct impression that this was all consensual phone play, which is something normal, healthy people do an awful lot of.

[Cleita]

58. Read some of the posts on this thread that explain that

he engaged in political talk first before changing the subject. It's not an unusual way of doing stuff. I had guys approach me about day to day stuff at the office and suddenly I would find out I was listening to a filthy joke that I had not wanted to hear.

[whttevrr]

59. But... What about actual facts?

I see the posts condemning Weiner for unsolicited pic sending... But none of them point to a verifiable incident. It all seems like armchair lawyering and psychology.

Where is the link to the civil complaint or actual factual fact?

[Cleita]

60. Try Google. If you haven't kept up with the news, that's where to start.

The rest of us have already done our homework. Now you do yours.

[kestrel91316]

62. Boy, you seriously need to take a chill pill. What's with the nastiness?

I'm not going to do any effing "homework". I'm not your pupil, and you aren't my schoolmarm, though you are sure acting like it today.

[Cleita]

66. Get tired of this stuff. The truth is out there. Unless that person was in a cave until

now, he certainly knows what has happened. You don't need to enable them when they try to stir crap. Besides crankiness is a privilege of old age.

[whttevrr]

64. Is that how it works?

You make assertions, and I have to prove them?

That doesn't seem right...

Does it?

[LanternWaste]

73. I'd imagine that if one indeed was curious enough

I'd imagine that if one indeed was curious enough, they would in fact, do the research... regardless of whether it was handed to them or whether they simply had to sacrifice ten minutes out of their day to satiate their curiosity.

Otherwise, that wouldn't be sincere... would it?

[whttevrr]

82. I suppose if someone was dealing with facts...

They would have them at the ready when making claims.

[KurtNYC]

96. I Googled. Got this: "she sent him numerous naked pictures."

"There was tawdry phone sex that went on between these two for months on end," Colagiovanni told CNN. "She had told me that she sent him numerous naked pictures."
...
Leathers told Colagiovanni in their Facebook conversations that she and the congressman had phone sex, texted, e-mailed and sent each other nude pictures of themselves.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/25/politics/weiner-messages-woman

Sounds mutual and consensual -- not like what you are describing (or, in this case, not describing.)

??

[Cleita]

98. Google more. She wasn't the only one. n/t

[KurtNYC]

108. Thanks for the research assignment I suppose.

Are the others mutual and consensual ? Perhaps you can point me to the ones that weren't.

[Catherina]

149. See post 143 Kurt and Kestrel. That's just one of them that I had bookmarked. There were more

Here, I'll reproduce 143 for you. There were others. This man needs help.

"I have not sent him any suggestive messages," Ms. Cordova said.

She said she was, however, surprised by his informal tone. "He was just very casual," she said. "It wasn't like talking to a U.S. congressman."

A spokeswoman for Mr. Weiner did not dispute Ms. Cordova's account.

Mr. Weiner, at his news conference on Monday, said he had sent Ms. Cordova the underwear photo "as part of a joke." But Ms. Cordova said the image was not in keeping with the tenor of their previous interactions.

"I still didn't get the joke part of it," she said.

http://www.shakesville.com/2011/06/consent-matters.html

[kestrel91316]

61. Well if the women went along with the sex talk and were flirty, I can see where that might

lead to sending photos back and forth. How did he meet these women (online)? Unless it was a forum that is flirty/sexual in nature, he's a crass jerk. If it was a forum where people expect to talk about sex, there's nothing wrong with it.

[Catherina]

172. See my post here. He did it on political forums, chat forums, places women were't looking for that

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3348717

[kestrel91316]

177. Well that's just shameful. He needs to find a career other than politics.

[Catherina]

180. Thanks Kestrel. It sure is. I can't even imagine someone doing such a thing. I'd be so angry! n/t

[Politicalboi]

80. I agree with you

Weiner is a perv. He should drop out of the race so he can concentrate on who is next at getting one of his perverted pictures. He's better off staying home playing with his junk since that seems to be the most important thing is his life. Some here don't see his sickness. If it weren't the internet, he would be flashing on the street corner. He's a sick man, and I hope his wife smartens up and leaves him.

[Cleita]

85. Agree Huma should cut her losses and get out. He will ruin her career

and also for the sake of the baby. What kid needs to go to school and find out his daddy was doing what he was doing. If divorced, she can explain to the child, when he's able to understand, why she left his father, something she can't do if she stays in the marriage.

[darkangel218]

88. I have no idea why she's still with him

She has so much going for herself. And she's a beautiful lady.

I would have left his sorry a** in a second.

But that's just me I guess

[Cleita]

90. I think she has low self-esteem. It can happen with beautiful and accomplished people.

She might want the marriage to work, or maybe she's afraid. I can understand this with some women with children being reluctant to leave an undesirable husband, because it would be very hard on them. But Huma can. She has a career, money and a support group of family, co-workers and friends who like her. I hope she wakes up.

[darkangel218]

93. I hope so too.

She definitely deserves better.

[KittyWampus]

105. Yes, in one instance we know of he sent an unsolicited pix of himself to a woman.

[allin99]

117. do you have a link? i looked...

just couldn't come up with it. I remember something but it was muddy, but i can't find it.

just went through the list of all the women and didn't see it.

[whttevrr]

121. supposition is fact this summer.

You did not look in the right place.

It is located at www dot BECAUSE_I_SAID_SO dot com

[allin99]

130. lmao.

[JVS]

144. Yeah, DU's discussion level has turned to shit

First we have the post-Zimmerman Perry Mason huffing paint thinner routines and now the inability to substantiate allegations.

[Aerows]

137. I can't answer that question, but I know for a fact

that they like to show their stuff to people that aren't really receptive to it, at least in the case of flashers.

[Aerows]

136. You think these people are rational?

A dude got arrested in the TJ Maxx right by my house while I was in it when he apparently unzipped his pants and displayed his naked genitals among a variety of knick-knacks in the housewares department, and was caught when a woman's 11 year old daughter poked at the display and caught her attention.

I was flashed once when I was in New Orleans by the real thing - a flasher in a trench coat. It's not sane behavior to accost people with views of your genitals whether you are male, female, white, black, Democratic or Republican. It's a compulsive disorder.

[allin99]

159. lol. ppl sexting are not being accosted.

sexters aren't flashers.

[Aerows]

165. Hmm

Good luck with that defense when you sext the wrong person. I'm saying that for your own best interest, not to win any points for mine. When it includes, identifiable portions of your body parts, you'd best have a lawyer, that's just being a grown-up 101.

[allin99]

166. and good luck with the argument...

that posting your pic by accident online is the same as a flasher in the street. lolol.

[Aerows]

167. Good luck with the argument that everyone takes dick pictures of themselves

widely twitters them and suddenly, oh, that was an accident.

[kwassa]

170. Why isn't it exactly the same?

Why would anyone have an accident posting a sexual picture?

Wouldn't a guilty person claim it was an accident?

[Are_grits_groceries]

14. Yes he did.

I don't mean to sound like a prude, but what the hell do you have to do to be disqualified from high-level politics in this country? When someone told me a while back that Weiner was running for Mayor, I thought it was a joke. This married politician sent unsolicited pictures of his penis to female strangers on the Internet! It's not a crime, I guess because indecent exposure laws haven't been updated for the cyber age, but basically, he's a 21st-century flasher who used the U.S. Congress as a raincoat. Then he got caught, had to resign from Congress in what normally would be shame and disgrace, only to turn around and start doing it all over again pretty much immediately.
<snip>
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/electing-anthony-weiner-isnt-as-funny-as-it-sounds-20130725#ixzz2a7zRQUaK

[allin99]

23. I don't see the part...

in the article that describes him sending a pic to a person he wasn't sexting with...

just them saying he did. Can you point it out to me?

[Recursion]

153. This was the first scandal a few years ago

It got leaked because women who didn't want to see his junk got pictures of it

[allin99]

155. link?

[Recursion]

157. I'm on a phone Google it

For that matter use DU search. Women who had never asked for any pictures of him got pics of his junk, and were creeped out.

[allin99]

158. i did, can't find it.

[Recursion]

163. Then see KW's thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023347745

[tabbycat31]

147. his Twitter followers?

[Recursion]

150. He sent it to women who hadn't asked him to

And were surprised by it

[allin99]

152. i see only his accidental twitter post...

but i haven't seen the people suprised by his dick pic, do you have links? and i don't mean sexters that were suprised a pol would be so stupid.

[Recursion]

156. Go back to the stories from a couple of years ago

They interviewed several recipients

[MFM008]

176. yeah but you know what

he must have known there was a CHANCE those pictures might get out. Then they got out. Soooooo...... he texted MORE that he probably knew would get out. Sooooooooo...... he knew in all likely hood those pictures of the pink schroom would be seen by many many people. He is an exhibitionist who should be brought up on sex offender charges.
No sympathy, he has had his chance.

[warrprayer]

4. this...

...
Clarence Thomas is one happy guy, now that the Democrats purged Anthony Weiner
.
June 16, 2011
Clarence Thomas Can Breathe a Sigh of Relief at Weiner Downfall
By earl ofari hutchinson

"Every Democrat from the White House down screamed loudly for New York Representative Anthony Weiner to resign, and he finally did. But it’s not a Democrat that’s breathing the biggest sigh of relief at Weiner’s downfall. It’s Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. There was much talk a year ago that Weiner would be the pointman on the House Judiciary Committee if it decided to go after Thomas for his long trail of financial manipulations, abuse, and duplicity. Weiner gave some hope that he’d be the go-to guy against Thomas because he had been hammering him publicly for his dealings and demanding that he recuse himself from any high court deliberations and ruling on the constitutionality of the health care reform law that conservatives loathe.

nice to see the work of Dead Breitbart is being carried on.

[allin99]

6. what was with the dems freaking out on him, wasn't...

that so weird? and i mean the original incedent, not this one.

[Cleita]

8. Clarence Thomas and every other sexual deviant needs to be shown for what they are.

But he's a Republican, so his party won't take him down, like ours did Anthony Wiener. Save your outrage for those Republicans, not me.

[LanternWaste]

77. I imagine many people wish to vote on a candidate based on lack of integrity and character

I imagine many people wish to vote on a candidate based on lack of integrity and character simply by trivializing that lack of character and integrity as unimportant.

Nice to see republican values are being carried on, too
(six of one, half a dozen of the other... and both as absurdly idiotic as the other)

[TM99]

5. He engaged in this behavior

with consenting adult women who welcomed his initial advances.

He did not randomly send naked pictures to unsuspecting women. I believe some confusion and conflating has occurred as the original stories were that he accidentally made photos visible to all on Facebook and not to the intended. That was a one-off. Every other incidence has been as described.

Therefore, he is not a 'pervert flasher'.

He may have psychological issues. He and his wife may have agreements as adults about their sex lives. We don't know. Vote for him or don't vote for him. That is a personal choice, however, as a licensed psychologist and clinical sexologist, I do hate watching members here arm-chair diagnose like this so poorly.

A story from your past does not equate to a reality here and now with the facts given.

[Cleita]

9. Some of the women have said they did not welcome his advances.

It seems some went along with them because they didn't know what to do. Many young women do just that because they are afraid to say something. I endured a lot of sexual harassment on the job from a higher up exec and said nothing about it because I couldn't afford to lose my job at that time. I just made a joke of the harassment to his face to deflect the advances. I'm sure if people saw that, they would say it was consensual on my part but it wasn't. It was a coping mechanism. I was a victim.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

15. They say NOW that they didn't welcome the advances...

But if someone is sexting you, and you don't like it... You block the number. It's not like they worked for him. There would be no repercussions to them turning down his advances. They were women met in chat rooms. Methinks they want their 15 minutes...

[Cleita]

17. He's still a perv IMHO.

Frankly, since all those pictures hit the internet and even TV like The Daily Show, I feel violated myself. It's just something I don't want to see in my government employees. Hell, I don't want to see them shirtless either like Pooty Poot all over the place. Yuck!

[Are_grits_groceries]

20. How did he KNOW they were women? nt

[boston bean]

68. How did he know they weren't sixteen.

And the excuse that his wife may approve is total bullshit. Everything pubic so far has been that he is receiving help and begged his wife for forgiveness. amirite?

[Whisp]

18. +++

[TM99]

91. These women were not

children. They were not in positions of inferior power like a job situation you describe. If they were, and they haven't been thus far, then perhaps it is sexual harassment. Proof is needed.

Texting is an initiatory/response activity. I can initiate a text communication, but if I receive no response, then it simply ends. You can not force someone to have a text conversation with you.

[Cleita]

95. You don't have to be a child to be sexually victimized.

But the biggest victim here is his wife Huma. What an awful humilitation he has put her through with his wanking.

[TM99]

104. You obviously have very strong feelings about this.

I am well aware of victimization having suffered it myself as a child and being a professional who works with victims. To claim this situation is some form of victimization is incredibly hyperbolic and disrespectful to those who have suffered real sexual abuse.

We do not know whether his wife Huma is a victim in this. We simply don't. All of this is mere speculation, and that is what creeps me out.

These women that have come forward have not been victims in any clinical sense of the word. In fact, they appear to be just as narcissistic as Wiener is. He has not broken any criminal laws. He has not perpetrated sexual harassment with these women as is normally inferred - such as a power differential in a job situation. He has not even had intercourse with these women, so rape is obviously not something we can infer.

It definitely bothers you and others. So be it. However, please own up to the personal nature of this disgust and these judgements. Unless tangible proof of actual sexual harassment or criminally inappropriate behaviors are revealed, this mans private sexual peccadilloes, though horrible if you intend to be a public figure like Mayor, are simply that - sexual peccadilloes. Stating emphatically that he is an addict, a pervert, a sexual deviant, etc. is specious. Words have meanings. Those words have very specific meanings. Throwing them around as they are on these boards as of late does not change them simply because you and others have very strong negative feelings about him, his wife, and his sexual expressions.

[Are_grits_groceries]

16. yes he did send them unsolicited pics.

I don't mean to sound like a prude, but what the hell do you have to do to be disqualified from high-level politics in this country? When someone told me a while back that Weiner was running for Mayor, I thought it was a joke. This married politician sent unsolicited pictures of his penis to female strangers on the Internet! It's not a crime, I guess because indecent exposure laws haven't been updated for the cyber age, but basically, he's a 21st-century flasher who used the U.S. Congress as a raincoat. Then he got caught, had to resign from Congress in what normally would be shame and disgrace, only to turn around and start doing it all over again pretty much immediately.
<snip>
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/electing-anthony-weiner-isnt-as-funny-as-it-sounds-20130725#ixzz2a7zRQUaK

[geek tragedy]

35. No, he chatted them up on political/non-sexual grounds

and then after a perfunctory waiting period, drove the conversation to sexual encounters.

he's a digital pick up artist, and a predatory personality, and an addict.

[Cleita]

55. Exactly, this is where he was randomly looking for victims.

There are chat places where people willingly do this. No need for political chat before.

[opiate69]

47. ^^^this X1000^^^

[LadyHawkAZ]

74. Thank you for the rational common sense

Deluge of BUT BUT BUT SEX ADDICT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN attack posts in 3...2...1...

[Coyotl]

11. "Which brings me to Anthony Weiner." Please explain how? Did he grab your friend's tits too?

[Cleita]

13. No, my friend is probably in her late sixties now.

I don't think all flashers are grabbers. They just get off on showing their naked and erect package to young women, most of whom don't want to see it.

[Coyotl]

21. Who are you calling a flasher? Who are you calling a grabber?

And what does that have to do with Weiner?

[quinnox]

19. this isn't the 1950s anymore

in today's modern age, people are doing all kinds of things like sexting and posting nude pics to each other. It really is not that uncommon. Welcome to the internet.

[Cleita]

24. Yes, welcome to the internet where even old ladies like me had to see

a Congressman's erect penis in his underwear. I surely didn't need to. He knew there was a very good possibility of this going public doing this considering who he was so he victimized a whole lot of us. I think he got off on it.

[quinnox]

33. There is tons of weird porn on the internet too

Stuff that a lot would consider sickening. But I don't choose to look at most of that. You didn't have to look at Wieners pic either, I'm thinking.

[Cleita]

37. I don't have to look at porn, because it keeps it's place on porn sites. I don't have

to open it. However, this was even on the Daily Show, which I watch regularly. It was on DU where I am everyday. I'm not saying the Daily Show shouldn't have put it up there, nor DU. It's just that it wouldn't have been there if dear Anthony hadn't texted it to begin with to a woman who put it out there for all to see. I don't blame her either. She was sending a message.

[quinnox]

44. Ok, But I think it is not something so shocking that

you haven't seen it before. I mean, come on. Is this really something that is so traumatizing??

[Cleita]

46. It is especially when you aren't expecting it.eom

[LadyHawkAZ]

100. The underwear pic got your goat?

Seriously? I see worse than that in the windows at Abercrombie & Fitch.

[Cleita]

101. Well, who needs it. I don't have to open an A&F catalog if I don't want to. n/t

[LadyHawkAZ]

103. I haven't opened an A&F catalog, ever

I don't need to. They have pics hanging up outside their store.

So does VS.

It could be said that I don't have to walk through a mall either, I guess. Or drive by a billboard.

[JVS]

50. Who forced you to look at that picture?

[Cleita]

54. You did. If you put it up without a warning. n/t

[geek tragedy]

28. People also drink all kinds of alcoholic beverages.

That does not make alcoholism any less of a disorder needing treatment.

[truegrit44]

125. I remember the flashers from growing up and had it done

towards me and my girlfriends a few times when walking down the street.
I totally agree tho that things are different now and from what I hear from my 2 daughters in their 30's and single is it is quite common to get dick pics from guys they know or meet thru the internet. My one daughter gets a real kick out of it, not for me however but to each his own........
In Weiners case it is more than a little immature and considering his social standing and his involvements it ain't good. I also think it should be a private matter between him and his wife, but when your in the public eye it doesn't appear to work that way.

[Capt. Obvious]

22. Anthony Weiner is more like the kid who stole my bike

[JoePhilly]

25. Was that kid naked?

[Capt. Obvious]

31. He liked ice cream

[JoePhilly]

41. Naturally ... it was probably very hot.

[geek tragedy]

26. Weiner has a psychological disorder. He's addicted to this behavior.

This behavior ended his Congressional career.

And he still couldn't control it. Couldn't stop.

Remains a constant threat to destroy his marriage.

Couldn't control it. Couldn't stop.

If he was an alcoholic still getting drunk, it would not be so glibly dismissed as a "moral" issue.

He quite simply is not mentally fit for office.

[Cleita]

34. I agree. So is the raincoat flasher. It's a sickness, but like pedophilia I don't think

there is a cure for it.

[geek tragedy]

36. Just like there's no cure for alcoholism.

It can be managed, though.

He needs to get off the freaking Internet, not get off from it.

[opiate69]

102. Duly noted, Dr. Frist.

[geek tragedy]

106. So, you think he's decided online sex chats are more important than

his career and his marriage and hasn't bothered to try to stop?

Because if you answer "no" that means he's an addict with a psychological compulsion.

Which is pretty fucking obvious.

[opiate69]

114. Or, he's a public figure going through the expected damage control ...

Unless you're his therapist, you don't know. Especially if your opinion is based on the Murdoch owned papers account that bostonbean was flogging here a few days ago...

[geek tragedy]

115. "Congressman Weiner departed this morning to seek professional treatment "

His own press office in 2011.

So, he sought professional treatment for a problematic,self-destructive behavior in 2011, and continued that behavior through most of 2012 (assuming without reason to that it's not going on right now).

That's a disorder, and an addiction.

[opiate69]

124. Oh, to be young and naive...

Yes, junior.. his press office… the people who get paid the big dollars to polish whichever turd the public figure dumps... also, just FYI.. the idea of sexual "addiction" is not quite as set in stone as you might wish to believe.. turns out the biochemical reactions in the brains of so called sex addicts are quite different from those battling alcohol and substance addictions. God, I love when layfolk get their hands on the DSM.

[LadyHawkAZ]

126. That's not even an excuse...

Sex addiction isn't in the DSM. In fact IIRC it was deliberately left out for lack of any evidence that it exists.

Virginia Johnson died this week. I'm starting to wonder if she died of embarrassment.

[TM99]

128. She would have laughed

and then said with a sad voice that for such an enlightened age with regards to acceptance finally of homosexuality, America is still as prudish as it was in the 1950's and 1960's when she and her husband did their ground breaking research.

[opiate69]

129. Too true... guess I was trying to give the poor little guy an out

[geek tragedy]

127. So, he's a liar and someone who's incapable of regulating his own behavior.

He's all yours if you want him for mayor of your city

[opiate69]

132. ZOMG!!! Call the papers!!

A career politician - in New York Shitty, no less - was less than honest!!!

[geek tragedy]

133. "New York Shitty?" Pathetic comment.

Weiner sexually harassed women on the Internet, and then lied and lied and lied and lied and lied about it.

He's a sleazy, dishonest piece of misogynistic trash.

And his apologists got issues with women too.

[opiate69]

134. Yeah.. NYS.. get over it.

I was raised in southwestern Connecticut and visited the grand old Apple more Times than I care to recall. Never did like it. As for Weinberg, from what I've seen, what he actually did was engage in consensual electronic sex play, made an error in tagging which many other Twitter users make, then lied when scumball Brietbart trained his sights on him.

[geek tragedy]

135. Ah, your upbringing in a cultural wasteland would explain

your antipathy for a real city.

No, this came to the front when he tried to send an unsolicited, unexpected, unwanted picture of his junk to a 21 year old college student but instead sent it to the world.

he had a pattern of seeking out political conversations with the pretense of discussing politics, using his status, only to bait and switch into sex talk.

Liar, addict, compulsive, predator, degenerate, narcissist. he's a real winner

You can have him if you want him.

[opiate69]

139. Aw.. I was always told you New Yorkers had thick skin...

In any case, I'd take a thousand Seattle/Tacoma/Olympias (my home for the past 24 years) over one New York any day.. at least we can swim in - and eat out of - our waters. I don't think there's a biohazard suit thick enough to get me into the East river.

[geek tragedy]

151. I've heard Seattle is a perfectly lovely mid-sized city. nt

[opiate69]

160. Size-queen!!! (jury, friendly ribbing...)

Cheers. All in good fun.

[geek tragedy]

110. "Weiner sought professional help."

But, yeah, no addiction or disorder there. he just needs professional help to avoid self-destructive behavior.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/17785/20130725/anthony-weiner-online-behavior-sexual-addiction-sex-addiction.htm

What makes Weiner's indiscretions particularly newsworthy is that he is a repeat offender, a man who resigned from Congress in 2011 to "seek professional treatment to focus on becoming a better husband and healthier person." While he touts that he spent three days in a treatment center in Houston after initially being caught sending lewd messages and photographs to women outside of his marriage that year, Weiner refuses to call himself a sex addict.

[nomorenomore08]

175. You're probably right. He seems to have a serious, compulsive issue with this.

nt

[PowerToThePeople]

30. I may be a little bit perverted.

I have also setxt girlfriends back and forth. There is a thrill with sending a pic over the airwaves. You do not really know where it will end up. It is a rush. Within the confines of approving partners, I do not so any issue with such "perversions."

I have not followed this story too well. Was he sending pics to random or unwilling participants? Or was everyone involved ok with it? If they were ok with it, we just need to stfu about the whole thing. It is not our concern.

Humans are sexual beings and it is not our place to dictate how they satisfy themselves as long as they do not infringe anyone else's rights.

[Cleita]

32. Did you sext random women or people in general who weren't expecting it?

I doubt it. That does not make you a pervert. Looking for a random victim does.

[PowerToThePeople]

39. exactly.

That was why I posed the question I did.

Where there random, unwilling victims here? If no, then STFU.

I guess I only say "pervert" because I have been raised in a society which tries repress these tendencies. I may have evolved to where I do not agree with or act as they do, but the language has stuck around.

[Cleita]

42. I only say pervert because it's a word a majority of people understand the meaning of.

It's known as communication in a common language known to all.

[geek tragedy]

38. He would chat strange women up, talk politics and other innocuous

subjects, and then try to get them to engage in sex talk with him.

Important thing is that he can't control his urges. He has every reason under the sun to stop doing this, and can't.

[PowerToThePeople]

49. So some of these ladies filed harrasment compaints?

If so, he was wrong.

I have picked up on people in airports waiting for a transfer/bars/grocery stores. But, you can typically get a vibe of who is willing to go the distance and who is just being friendly pretty quick. But, I am just your average guy. With someone in a "power" position in gov't people probably swoon over them a lot more often. Your bar would have to be raised from what I am accustomed to.

[geek tragedy]

51. There's no law against being a creepy asshole on the Internet.

Bigger issue is that this isn't a choice of his at this point, it's a compulsion and an addiction.

[Cleita]

52. Some guys don't need a vibe. As a matter of fact they don't really like one. They

get off on the surprise and shock of an unsuspecting victim. That's the difference.

[Spazito]

40. I agree, he is a flasher who doesn't need the raincoat any more...

or to walk around unzipped with his junk hanging out, he has twitter instead.

[Cleita]

43. Exactly, the smart phone is his raincoat that he can open and send anytime he wishes. eom

[Spazito]

53. Yep, and one he seems to use extensively...

he needs to fade away in shame and ignominy, imo.

[olddots]

56. Flashers are much more than just flashers

Weiner has a mental illness that can't be diagnosed on line ,he should get serious help as soon as possible.

[Cleita]

69. According to the news he and Huma had been going to therapy.

Maybe they need a new shrink that recognizes that this is the real problem, his perversion, not necessarily their's as a couple, although that will enter into it as well.

[HereSince1628]

63. Isn't 'perversion' just deviance with a negative connotation?

The conversation surrounding his sexual behavior seems to dance in circles around uncertain meanings of things like deviance, perversion, addiction and obsessiveness.

I really don't care about the deviance of his sexual behavior. I wonder about how he self-assesses his behavior to meet common narcissistic needs.

Every politician (and many other job descriptors including writer, pundit, actor, professor, etc) gets a sense of reward from being a source of people's attention. These are common needs that can be great motivators and not necessarily bad for a person's career.

What bothers me is Weiner's apparent perspective on obtaining his narcissistic supply. He doesn't seem to recognize that some ways of getting narcissistic supply are OK for a politician and others are seen by others as deviant and are consequently dysfunctional to the role he wants to fulfill.

In a democracy, the answer to the following question will be made collectively...Does New York city need an elected executive who doesn't know how to recognize (and avoid) behavior that leads to dysfunction in his desired political role?

[Cleita]

67. Words are just a means of communication. If you want to attach some clinical

language be my guest.

[darkangel218]

65. IMHO Weiner is ill and

He needs psychotherapy.

On a second thought, I wonder if he would flash his therapist too..

[Cleita]

76. Maybe not, if he's a fat, balding fifty year old guy with a mole on his nose.

[darkangel218]

86. I wouldnt be so sure!

[Orsino]

70. The only thing stopping Weiner from flashing in the park...

...is his ability to share naughty pics on the Internet with a measure of privacy?

That's stupid.

[Cleita]

72. No, it's that he doesn't need to walk to the park anymore or go to the movie

theater or the beach, all of which can be dangerous if some guy sees what he's doing and decides to go all knight in shiny armor to save the damsel in distress and beat the crap out of him. It has happened. So call it stupid and me stupid if you like. It's your prerogative.

[whttevrr]

75. Ok WOW!

Facts?

Now you are accusing him of actually flashing before?

Really?

This seems pretty close to muckraking, does it not?

What actual facts do you have to insinuate that he has flashed anyone in the park?

[Cleita]

78. Please read what's going on and then get a clue.n/t

[whttevrr]

81. Oh...

I don't have a clue?

You make wildly accusatory statements as if they are facts, that are only based on your opinion... and I need to get a clue?

"No, it's that he doesn't need to walk to the park anymore or go to the movie"

Really?

What? Because you say so? Based on what facts?

[Orsino]

131. I think the word meant was "wouldn't" instead of "doesn't"...

...and was intended as a response to my hypothetical.

And yet we're left with the thesis that only the Internet has kept wiener from being arrested for exposing himself in public.

[MotherPetrie]

83. K&R

[Skittles]

84. I said the same thing on DU a few days ago

30 years ago he would have been flashing from raincoats - he's nothing but a common pervert and I am tired of some DUers telling me I am a prude if I find it offensive

[Cleita]

87. I'm no prude either. I'm very broad minded about sex, consensual sex, no matter how

weird it can get. But this type of sexual behavior has a victim and it's pretty close to rape without the physical contact. I know they keep saying he didn't commit adultery because he didn't have sex, but he still wronged his wife by saying the stuff he did that was unflattering about her and having sexual contact with other women even if not physical. I mean he's a total dirt bag.

[ZombieHorde]

89. Damn. I'm sorry your friend's sister had to go through that all of the time.

Those men were being very aggressive and creepy.

[Cleita]

99. And there were many of them.

Of course it was in LA.

[Stinky The Clown]

92. There is, quite likely, a fundamental difference.

The guy in the raincoat - and all the other acts you describe - started with zero previous interaction between the flasher and flashee.

I suspect there was an ongoing interaction between Weiner and the women. That is not to say the dikpics were desired. Just that Tweetflashes are different from raincoat flashes.

[whttevrr]

94. When did supposition become fact?

So much of this thread is couched in supposition and pure speculation without any real basis in fact.

In the normal course of debate one can not just make something up and present it as fact.

[LadyHawkAZ]

109. You must be new here

Par for the course when sex is involved, on DU. Just you wait til we get a good porn or prostitution thread going. This is nuttin, honey.

Par for the course on many subjects, come to think of it.

[whttevrr]

111. Yeah... I'm pretty new here...

But it's ok to call bullshit when I see it, right?

[LadyHawkAZ]

112. You have my permission, for sure

[whttevrr]

116. Whew...

Cuz some times...

I can't help it.

I may have an addiction.

[LadyHawkAZ]

120. OMG!!! Get treatment RIGHT AWAY!

What a horrible thing for your poor wife/husband/SO/cat/dog/whatever!

[whttevrr]

123. sigh...

More treatment?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

97. Too many men have a sex obsession. There are support groups for that.

I blame the ease of access access and availability of porn. Accessing porn all the time doesn't allow the person to think of anything else. Whatever stimulating thing you think about most, gets reinforced in the brain, and before the person knows it, they're thinking of that 24/7. It's like meditation in reverse - hyperstimulating the brain constantly with the same thing over and over - sex.

[darkangel218]

113. What??? you blame the porn for Weiners behaviour??

Wtf?????!?

[whttevrr]

119. Well yes...

Porn is the root of all evil.

Only sick and twisted perverts look at genitalia.

[darkangel218]

122. jeezuz freaking christ. nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

179. Porn fans behave like Charlton Heston -

"I'll give you my PORN when you pry (or take) it from my cold, dead hands."

Well, whether it's from your cold hands, or whether you get to watch it 24/7 at will, it has detrimental effects. I don't care how much you jump up and down and defend the "benefits" of it for you, your rights, yada yada yada.

[one_voice]

182. OMG...

I'm sick, evil and a twisted pervert.


Wait till my husband finds out.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

178. Yes, that's precisely what I said.

The brain-altering effects of pornography are negative and detrimental.

Countless studies connect porn with a new and negative attitude to intimate relationships, and neurological imaging confirms it. Susan Fiske, professor of psychology at Princeton University, used MRI scans in 2010 to analyze men watching porn. Afterward, brain activity revealed, they looked at women more as objects than as people. The new DSM-5 will add the diagnosis "Hypersexual Disorder," which includes compulsive pornography use.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323628004578456710204395042.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125382361

[darkangel218]

181. .

[Apophis]

189. I view porn on a regular basis and I don't send pictures of my junk to women.

In fact, I never have sent pics of my junk to any women or men.

Your assumption is idiotic.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

194. Okay - 1) TMI...

2) TMI
3) TMI
and
4) Sending pics of your junk might not be the specific way you "act out" in response to the detrimental effects of constantly bombarding and altering your brain with porn-viewing, but everyone is a bit different as to how they react to the way porn damages his brain.

And by the way, just as learning the violin and practicing violin (something that creates beneficial brain circuitry) results in vast brain circuitry for playing the violin, which makes a person feel, think, intuit, and become addicted to and adept at playing the violin, what the heck do you think constantly bombarding your brain with porn images (or video games, or any other crap that creates detrimental pathways) daily does to your brain circuitry? Turn you into a genius of some kind? Hello?

[Apophis]

195. TMI?

I'm not the one making idiotic generalizations.

FYI, I also play a lot of video games. One of those games requires me to shoot and kill people. I've never shot up a shopping mall. The thought never crosses my mind.

The thought of sending a pic of my junk to women never crosses my mind either.

Maybe you should provide proof of your assertions before posting such knee-jerk assumptions.

[MineralMan]

107. One of my wife's nieces got flashed at age 14.

Her response to the flasher was, "Not impressive..." Then she walked on.

[flamingdem]

118. We had one guy who would stand in cupola of a barn next to a busy route

naked from the waist down and shake his thing.

We'd go check him out for laughs.

I called him "shake-a-weenie"

It might have been more bothersome if I was younger or he was in closer proximity.

Also, we basically knew he had emotional issues, so we had some sympathy.

[DCBob]

141. Yeah, thats about how I see it also.

You could also make the comparison to Clinton.. if he was going around flashing women on the street I suspect he wouldn't have finished his term.

[Catherina]

143. I'm far from a prude but "Carlos Danger" and his weiner obsession make my skin crawl

You don't send unsolicited pictures of your junk to people.

CONSENT MATTERS

"I have not sent him any suggestive messages," Ms. Cordova said.

She said she was, however, surprised by his informal tone. "He was just very casual," she said. "It wasn't like talking to a U.S. congressman."

A spokeswoman for Mr. Weiner did not dispute Ms. Cordova's account.

Mr. Weiner, at his news conference on Monday, said he had sent Ms. Cordova the underwear photo "as part of a joke." But Ms. Cordova said the image was not in keeping with the tenor of their previous interactions.

"I still didn't get the joke part of it," she said.

http://www.shakesville.com/2011/06/consent-matters.html

[allin99]

168. ah, there it is.

thanks for the actual info.

he's such a loser. how did he get away with *that* one? lol. So glad he's out of the race.

[Catherina]

171. There were others, that was just the one I had in my bookmarks.

Loser is right. He kept getting away because well-meaning people were fooled into covering for him. I hope he won't get away with it any longer- him and anyone like him.

[allin99]

173. oh he won't, he's out in a few week. and i would just like to add, i called that guy for smarmy....

the very moment i saw him standing on the congressional floor years ago. . Couldn't stand him then, can't stand him now. everyone was all: but he's one of the good guys! i was all: he's all yours. lol.

he's done anyway, thank goodness. when he started gaining the polls i was having to make peace with the fact that he could be mayor of my city. tough pill to swallow, lemme tell you. *happy dance*



c'mon Bill & Bill, you can do it! woohoo!!! (bill T and Bill DeB)

[madokie]

148. NO doubt about him being a pervert

[malaise]

161. I've been saying this for days

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He is no different than the two flashers I knew growing up. I can handle infidelity better than I could handle a pervert.

[Cleita]

174. Infidelity isn't about rape. Flashers are a kind of rapist. It may not be physical but

it's still makes you feel violated, even if you try to laugh it off as many here seem to have said they did.

[99Forever]

183. Pervert?

This is the kind of drivel I would expect to see on some holier-than-thou RW site ... the prudes are on the march!

Eeeeew.... genitals are icky!

[Cleita]

184. Which right wing site is that?

The one that has no respect for women?

[99Forever]

185. Is there some part of holier-than-thou...

... you are having trouble understanding?

No respect for women?

From what I've read in this shit thread, you don't have much respect for facts and a definite need to impose your personal hangups on everyone else.

[Cleita]

186. excuse this humble woman for having an opinion about what the

men do that offends us

[99Forever]

187. Us?

How many personalities do you have? Or is that like the royal "we?"

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[Cleita]

188. hahaha

no im not amuzed either.

[marions ghost]

190. I agree

and have said it here. Weiner is an e-flasher. He likes to inflict... (in a way that's relatively safe).

Huma's not going to have it easy--it's a stubborn addiction.

[Gravitycollapse]

191. Perversion is a radically right-wing concept. Weiner is an asshole...

Normally, I would advocate that anyone who comes across a male flasher should simply kick him in the groin as hard as humanly possible. I'm not sure what that would translate into in the digital age.

But, anyway, I do not like words like "perverse" or "deviant" because their etymology is rooted in Judeo-Christian fantasy.

[Cleita]

192. I agree. So give us some better word. eom

[Gravitycollapse]

193. I think "piece of shit" or "asshole" is apt.

Alternatively, if you're feeling more charitable, "stupid" or "imbecilic" may also be used.