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[AllINeedIsCoffee]

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[RobertEarl]

1. Only conservative leaning support the spying

What is your agenda?

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

3. Take it up with PEW and Politico and stop shooting the messenger. nt

[neverforget]

74. Irony!

[morningfog]

4. Their agenda is obvious.

[RobertEarl]

5. They try to hide it

Too bad they can't fess up and tell the truth.

[morningfog]

7. I saved the response before the delete:

AllINeedIsCoffee (654 posts)

6. I'm an unemployed accounting student, concerned that all the focus on this bullshit

will derail the debate about social programs that I and people I love and care about count on the most.

So fuck you and your allegations, you fucking paranoid prick.

[morningfog]

17. Ha. You're lying.

[RobertEarl]

51. No. Morningfog has it right

Not fabricated at all. Why you would say that to Morningfog is really quite odd.

[morningfog]

52. He just lost any and all credibility had ever had.

[RobertEarl]

54. I'd say so

Maybe this can be considered as a teachable moment for new posters?

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[zappaman]

58. Heh.

I hope he doesn't have multiple accounts!

[morningfog]

73. No. I am the only person who uses this username and this is the only username I have.

I have never been PPR'd.

How about you?

[morningfog]

82. Here is the screen shot:

I had to save in Word and convert to image. I am not at all experienced in screenshot captures. I had to google how to get this far. But, there you have it. You lied.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

26. why are you doing this? It is wrong.

delete your post.

[morningfog]

34. You know you posted it. I have the screenshot.

Had to leave my desk, will post it later.

[morningfog]

40. I am not that tech savvy. I'm impressed at your deniial.

I don't know how to upload it.

[morningfog]

53. How would I have known you are an unemployed accountant student?

Or was that a lie too? Hmmmmm.

[hrmjustin]

63. I am not taking a side on this but you can always ask skinner to verify what you said. I assume he

he has the ability to still see it.

[KittyWampus]

12. Shall I post the jury results for RobertEarl's disruptive post which unfortunately remains?

At least the poster removed it.

Better to remove something you are goaded into isn't it?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

28. ^^^^^THIS POST SHOULD BE DELETED^^^^^^

that is really garbage from you. please self delete since a jury tied 3-3 to keep it and you know it is purposefully trying to attack another poster.

[HangOnKids]

33. Gee I don't think morningfog cares what you think Pretzel.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

35. more to the world at large here on DU happening to stumble across this thread

so it is ok that morningfog doesn't care what I think. it is clear he doesn't care what a lot of people think even when told he's out of line.

[HangOnKids]

37. Wait, What Part Of A Jury Let The Post Stand Are You Missing?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

42. none. I am expressing my opinion. I'm not going to whine to the administrators or anything

it was a 3-3 tie.

[morningfog]

81. Why should I delete?

Because he deleted what he wrote?

I wouldn't have cared and would even delete, except that he is lying about it now.

[KittyWampus]

10. Tell us RobertEarl why are you disrupting DU? That's exactly what you are doing.

[zappaman]

48. He has...issues.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3323854

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

55. Oh, my.

[KittyWampus]

71. So he posts under 2 accounts- one attacks Obama & the other doesn't. LOL!

[zappaman]

72. Pretty much!

Fun with multiple names!

[Mojorabbit]

31. Yes it is. nt

[KittyWampus]

8. Only disruptors attack DU'ers as you just did.

See what I did there?

Oh, and besides the way you attack a DU'er as "conservative" for posting an article you also type the nebulous word "spying" and leave out any info from article posted.

Frankly, if anyone was to question another DU'ers agenda, it seems you are the one who is out to disrupt and impugn.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

13. And a jury left it. 3-3 vote. Apparently, his attacks do not have full support of the community. nt

[zappaman]

50. Well...

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3323854

[RobertEarl]

14. Who, me? What, huh?

You attacking me? Why?

[snooper2]

11. what spying?

[jazzimov]

43. Not true. Many Progressives support it

because they actually READ the documents and know that the "NSA IS SPYING ON ALL AMERICANS" meme is total bullshit.

[bluestate10]

2. I approve of this message. I have nothing to hide and no primal fears. nt

[Pholus]

15. So you walk around nude then? nt

[NoOneMan]

23. Put a webcam on your shitter stall

What, you don't want people to see that? 70% of Americans that view internet porn at least once a month may also not want to government knowing, even if it is legal.

We have a right to exist without being monitored

[Skittles]

79. is this sarcasm?

or have you EVER read a history book?

[Apophis]

16. So...50% of the people are idiots then.

[ohheckyeah]

18. "70 percent of those surveyed said they thought the government uses this data for purposes other

than investigating terrorism" but yet they still approve. Idiots.

[NoOneMan]

27. They probably also are assuming its being used for the drug war

And as long as you can afford and enjoy legal middle-class opiates, you are not one of the 22 million Americans this can be used to throw behind bars for non-violent offenses

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

29. If I discover it's being used for the Drug War, I'd end all support tomorrow.

You can hold me to that.

[NoOneMan]

32. Well, lets examine how the anti-terrorism Patriot Act was used....

How will you discover what this top secret program is doing in action anyway? You are not important enough to have information about what the the government you fund on your behalf is doing.

You say you will end your support? Why would you "support" this anyway? I can imagine "ambivalence", but "support"? How is this actively, objectively making your life better in such a way that could not be obtained otherwise? Why would you "support" everyone being spied on?

[Bluenorthwest]

46. Logic and history should strongly indicate to you that it is being used for the so called

''drug war". Reason and context should if nothing else mitigate your active boosterism for this program. The full tilt, all in way you speak about it indicates full commitment just as all the emoticons folks use indicate they don't take our nation's security or our Constitutional rights seriously at all, it's all a big, giant joke to some here.

[ohheckyeah]

30. True that....

we all know pain pills and Xanax are so much better for you than pot.

[NoOneMan]

19. Most people don't know enough about metadata or this program to have informed opinions

If the government secretly collected DNA, urine and fingerprints from every human being, I'd would imagine that would both be unconstitutional and a gross violation of our rights.

Collecting our metadata signature is worse. DNA, urine and fingerprints won't reveal your favorite dessert, your political leanings, the books you read, your personality, your tendencies, your drug habits, your likelihood to commit acts deemed unfavorable by the state.

Our metadata fingerprints are reflections of who we really our. They are digital copies of our brains and how they manifest in the real world. The potential of what they can do with them is astounding. The potential danger of this data being leaked is a threat in itself. Democratic leaders are wrong on this.

[karynnj]

20. What surprises me is that 50% approve - while 63% are misinformed and think that

the content of phone calls is being stored. The percent that are misinformed indicates that Obama needs to speak to the country on what is really being done. (It also suggests that the media likely has - in some cases - confused people to think this.)

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

21. Something does HAVE to happen. It is becoming too much of a distraction. nt

[RobertEarl]

24. Obama is failing, or flailing

I do not understand why he is being such and obstructionist.

It is Obama's duty to tell the truth. Why is he hiding the truth? Have they got something on him?

[NoOneMan]

25. "Have they got something on him?"

If you look at the size of this program, they probably have a little something on everyone for a rainy day

[Tarheel_Dem]

36. Kary, you always seem to have the most reasonable answers. This is just the latest boogeyman, in a

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long line of them. They all have one common theme, Obama's out to get ya! He's gonna chain Grandma's CPI, make her eat catfood, and if that don't scare you, he's gonna kill her off with ObamaCare. It's tired, but it still works in some quarters.

And I agree that he needs to speak to the issue, and put to rest the internet folklore surrounding it.

[karynnj]

44. Thanks - and your responses are always very good, thoughtful and interesting

[Tarheel_Dem]

39. "27 percent said they thought the government had listened to their calls or read their emails, ..."

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

41. The tide is turning thanks to Snowden and Greenwald.

Of course, the Father Knows Best wing of the party still cling to the notion that daddy is always good and right.

[MjolnirTime]

59. You are completely deluded. Nothing will come of their attempt to bring down the Government.

Not a damn thing.

[Tarheel_Dem]

62. If Greenwald is as unpopular as Comrade Snowie, you're exactly right. "Not a damn thing".

WSJ/NBC Poll: Most Americans View Snowden Negatively.
By Rebecca Ballhaus | July 24, 2013, 12:01 AM.

Americans don’t have much regard for Edward Snowden, the former NSA employee who leaked details of government surveillance programs, the new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll shows.

In the poll, only 11% of respondents said they viewed Mr. Snowden in a positive light, while 34% said they viewed him negatively. Nearly a third said they didn’t know who he was.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/07/24/wsjnbc-poll-most-americans-view-snowden-negatively/

Surprisingly, a mere 15% of 18-34 y.o. (his own demographic) view him positively, while 20% view him negatively. That's John Boehner territory, who is only slightly more popular than George Zimmerman.

[Bluenorthwest]

45. So the vast majority think it is being improperly used while the 'approve or don't

approve' is nearly a statistical tie. Plus or minus 3. So 50 minus three is 47 and 44 plus three is 47. Nose and nose on that approval, making the 70% who think it is abused a more significant figure than it would be if approval was clear....

[karynnj]

69. The 70% do not say "abused", but say they think it is used for things not terrorism related

The distinction is not academic and it is necessary to explain the at least 20% who said they approved, but thought it was used for other purposes.

I would say the acceptance number is more important. I would lump the whole set of responses in the last paragraph to indicate that there is confusion on what the program actually does. To me, a clear sign that Obama or someone in his administration needs to give a very simple straight forward definition of what it is and how it is used.

[whatchamacallit]

47. What do you expect from a nation that ranks 17th in education and 19th in IQ?

Drench their meager minds in fear by shouting Al-Qaeda a few times and voila!

IOW who gives a fuck?

[bigwillq]

49. I am the 44

[kentuck]

60. Basically we have an easily propagandized populace...

who neither read or listen to current events. They are making plans for this weekend. They don't have time for politics.

[uppityperson]

66. +1, I agree

[Rhiannon12866]

68. Me, too!!!

[uppityperson]

70. And is your inbox empty yet?

Hi!

[Rhiannon12866]

75. Not hardly, and my "My Posts" button still keeps lighting up...

[uppityperson]

76. I always want to tell people staying or starting that if they reply, put something good in the

title as that is all we can see after we are outside again. Hang in there, it takes a while to get used to being out again and wondering what to do.

[Rhiannon12866]

77. It was really rough when I got cut off in the middle of a discussion. *sigh*

Lucky I still have friends there, too.

[uppityperson]

78. !

[Rhiannon12866]

80. I had just posted a thread...

[Pretzel_Warrior]

67. bhahahah! that's always the line true believers go to when public opinion doesn't support

whatever they are pushing.

[customerserviceguy]

64. I find that most people I speak with

are also pretty favorable to that security theatre known as the TSA. And we're talking about people who voted for President Obama, at least the first time around.

I don't think they believe me when I quote Benjamin Franklin to them.

[damnedifIknow]

65. Probably depends on the poll

More than a month after leaker Edward Snowden revealed information about the National Security Agency's surveillance and data-gathering programs, 56 percent of Americans say they're more worried the United States will go too far in violating privacy rights, according to the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll."

firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/24/19661695-poll-majority-more-worried-us-surveillance-goes-too-far?lite