Constitution Watch. Four sections of the Bill of Rights have been extinguished under Obama.

[Fire Walk With Me]

Yet another is under attack.

1: Domestic terrorism (as defined by the FBI and "patriot act&quot against US citizens for peacefully gathering to petition the government with grievance against the economic destruction wrought by banksters and corporations. SHUT UP AND WATCH TV is the message. March and meet hundreds of militarized police. SHUT UP AND GO HOME. 7400+ Occupiers arrested, two brought to within inches of death by militarized police. Force and threat of force against a civilian population for political purposes. And Obama continues to bail out Wall Street and the corps with our tax dollars to this day. Where is the outrage? Then the Supreme Court makes it illegal to protest on their grounds using words directly out of the 1st Amendment. Then Obama signs HR347 which makes it a Federal crime to protest where Secret Service are working (then he gives himself and George Bush lifetime SS protection...smell the trend?)
2: Shaky; under pressure
4: DHS can steal your personal electronics anywhere along the border and up to 100 miles inland =on a hunch=. So much for warrants, courts, reasonability. Zero right to privacy in the Bush/neocon surveillance state. Where is the outrage?
5: It was made legal recently to allow silence in court to be used against you in certain circumstances. Goodbye 5th Amendment.
6: The right to a speedy trial. Have you heard of Obama's NDAA section 1021 which provides for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation?

Please Google for more information. Has anything even remotely like this happened under any other president, even Bush? What the fuck is happening to our country?

PS: His hands aren't tied, it's not about who is or isn't backing him, it's not about nDimensional chess.

[truedelphi]

1. K & R. But a little editing - Point three is not

in existence. You went from point two to four.

[Fire Walk With Me]

6. Those are sections of the Bill of Rights. n/t

[leveymg]

2. They're getting ready for a wider war in the Mideast, and expect domestic opposition. That's what

the fuck is going on. They're going to come down like a ton of bricks on dissent while mouthing platitudes about protecting freedom. Think of the immediate post-9/11 era, recall the neighborhoods in Boston that were locked down more recently, and that will give you some idea of what it's going to be like. No knock, no warrant saturation policing by heavily armed squads of paramilitary troops. The internet will be selectively turned off. Activists will disappear into preventative detention. The silence will be deafening.

[defacto7]

31. But since the truth is marching on...

we should all expect that some beautiful July 4th in the future, the powers of government will graciously return all our human and constitutional rights to us, and we will all hold hands together and sing glory hallelujah.

not.

[kardonb]

32. ready

what a load of bullpucky !

[Summer Hathaway]

63. And when will this be happening,

Nostradamus?

I want my last ever internet post to be "leveymg was right!" I just need a heads-up on when the appropriate time to post will be - before they shut down the 'net and all the keyboard activists are disappeared and all.

Can you give me an ETA before the silence becomes deafening?

TIA!

[leveymg]

92. On this one, I hope I'm proven wrong for a long time to come.

[woo me with science]

96. I wouldn't rule this out at all, but

I think the wholesale economic rape they are perpetrating on Americans across this country, which after TPP is going to get much, much worse, is enough justification in their minds for their paranoia about a citizen revolt.

[leftstreet]

3. There is nothing left to control us but the police state

Mechanisms like religion and autocratic family units (etc) no longer have the power to control the working classes in most developed countries.

Austerity is coming at us full speed and we are well and truly fucked.

They have to instill fear and control somehow

DURec

[damnedifIknow]

4. At least we have the memories of the Bill of Rights

Our children's generation won't be as fortunate.

[tblue]

56. Put it in the Smithsonian

where we can all go see and admire it. Just like Jackie O's gown and Archive Bunker's chair.

[MotherPetrie]

5. K&R

[Alamuti Lotus]

7. So by your own admission, he has preserved over half of them!

That's something to praise him for, right?

[Hydra]

8. Sad that a sarcasm tag was needed n/t

[Alamuti Lotus]

17. I debated with myself about precisely that before posting..

However, I suspect that there are those present who would sincerely present such an argument, so I felt it prudent. Sad commentary on present affairs, but there it is.

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. Hey, the glass IS half full!

[rhett o rick]

119. I see my glass is about empty. Will have to fix that right away, although posting

under the influence is dangerous.

[Dragonfli]

15. Some Paulbots here wanted President Romney! Don't they see

It would have been much worse under Romney, he would have redacted the third Amendment as welll1!1!

Then all the libertarians that have taken over this site would have been tripping over all the soldiers bunked in their living rooms!

Obama did the best he could and saved the third, we should be grateful he was able to protect it for us.

He does not have a magick wand, he could not save them all, no president could have. Even FDR was powerless to save the 18th Amendment and those emoprog firebagger Paulbot Commie Fascists just loved FDR.

[Le Taz Hot]

86. I'm am so SICK of this

sophomoric bullshit I could scream. NOBODY here wanted President Romney. NOBODY here is a "Paulbot." VERY few, if any are libertarians. DU used to have a much higher level of discourse until The Collective invaded this place. This "yer either fur us or agin us" mentality (if it rises to that level) is like reading something on Yahoo!

You people wouldn't know a liberal if they fought for YOUR Bill of Rights. You're collaborators. You're enablers to the destruction of our rights and our Constitution because of an idiotic Cult of Personality that seems to be your only contribution to the political world.

I have most of you on Ignore because you guys stupid up my screen but I keep a few off ignore just to see if you guys have gained an I.Q. point or two. You know Hoping for Change.

[chimpymustgo]

89. "DU used to have a much higher level of discourse until The Collective invaded this place."

This deserves it's own OP. Tactfully worded, of course.

[Le Taz Hot]

90. "Tactfully worded, of course."

I should know by now NOT to post when I'm pissed. Do I learn? No!

[beevul]

113. +1000 N/T

[Dragonfli]

95. You actually took that post seriously? Saved the third Amendment?

I made fun of the collective better than I thought, they must really be as fucked up as I portrayed them for that post to appear believable, hell I lifted the "commie/fascist" contradiction from a bagger sign that used to crack me up.

Even FDR couldn't save prohibition is believable as a real post here now?
You are right, we have fallen...

[Le Taz Hot]

98. So, that was satire?

Last edited Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Well, shit. And yes, it WAS believable. What does that say about the discourse around here lately?

So, having said that, I'm just going to kind of back out of the room now.

[appal_jack]

100. Le Taz Hot & Dragonfli, I love you both!

Last edited Sat Jul 27, 2013, 12:10 PM - Edit history (1)

This interchange is full of win.

Also, massive k&r for the OP FireWalkWithMe. This is important stuff...

-app

[Brewinblue]

108. Agreed!

And, the award for Most Hilarious Use of Satire, Misplaced Outrage, and Sheepish Retraction goes to . . .

[Le Taz Hot]

115. Ya gotta admit

that was one righteous rant, though.

[chervilant]

103. You're right...

Scary when obvious sarcasm is mistaken for truth.

[L0oniX]

104. LMFAO This should have been posted in a conspiracy group. n/t

[BuelahWitch]

117. Psst! You forgot the part about the pony!

[A Simple Game]

114. He has preserved nothing, for He is powerless! It is the

Congress that has all the power in this country!

At least that is what someone on DU tells me almost every day.

Oh, wait, preserving half of the Bill of Rights is a good thing, right?
Then, He is all powerful and has preserved them over the protestations of the evil Congress!
He can do good but is helpless to reverse evil even if he created it. He is a funny God in that way.

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not? Probably is.

[KoKo]

121. He's been beaten and flogged into submission by the RW since he was Crowned!

So say some. Others of us had hope...but, watched him "realistically" by his Deeds and not "His Words."

Something has been lacking. He has over three years left to TURN IT AROUND. I hope he's gearing up to do that...but not holding my breath given the track record.

Still. "Hope Springs Eternal..." But, he's wearing thin if the PTB are even getting concerned about him given the New Republic Article by Judis, "9/11 Commission Heads" (power brokers) and others piping up like Bruce Fein supporting Snowden's Father.

When the Shadow PTB and others start to lob warnings...it's time for a President to WAKE UP.

[Fire Walk With Me]

136. Obama is wide awake. He signed, twice, the NDAA section 1021 providing for the indefinite detention

of US citizens with neither trial nor representation, then fought in court to reinstate it when Chris Hedges et al. saw a judge strike it down as unConstitutional.

Obama signed the original version on New Year's Eve with "serious reservations". I'm certain he signed it the second time with "serious reservations" and then had "serious reservations" when he sent attorneys to get it reinstated.

Yet there it is, there it stands, by Obama's hand, three times. Obama IS the problem. Much of Congress as well most certainly, but Obama's hands =are not tied=.

[struggle4progress]

9. Snopes on the 2012 bill HR 347

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/restricted.asp

[Fire Walk With Me]

10. I know the Snopes response to HR347 and have quoted it in here in the past alongside the ACLU's.

Protesting NATO: What to Know About the Secret Service and H.R. 347
http://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/protesting-nato-what-know-about-secret-service-and-hr-347

H.R. 347
http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/hr-347

Goodbye, First Amendment: House Bill HR 347 will make protest illegal
http://www.aclusac.org/node/423


Considering the track negative civil liberties record Obama has shown, HR347 is exactly what it appears to be: a SHUT UP warning to quell protest.

[struggle4progress]

18. I haven't encountered any problem protesting recently: Monday, the cops strolled past me without

a second look

So even if John Tjaden does hold an exalted position of the board of directors of the Sacramento ACLU, I suspect his headline "Goodbye, First Amendment" is overblown. Of course, it might also depend on how we all define "protest" -- for me, trying to get into the Vice-President's office with a gun (say) isn't exactly "protest" but I suppose YMMV

[Fire Walk With Me]

24. I'm with Occupy and have seen cops grab people while they were looking entirely in the

other direction, and give them three or four felony charges (California is or was a 3-strike state). One protest arrest could put you in jail for life. I did court support and saw those same cops walk in smiling, more than happy to try to make those false charges stick. I'm one of those attacked by roid cop. Two peaceful Veterans were brought by cops to the edge of their lives in Oakland. The FBI started showing up and taking political prisoners and creating problems where there were none (Chicago No NATO, Cleveland). One of my friends was among those falsely accused in Chicago (NLG observers testified they saw the cop was outright lying) yet the charges were reinstated and he had to spend many, many months in Chicago under house arrest for no reason beyond overzealous prosecutors. The FBI are now "approaching" climate activists in the PNW and TransCanada was recently caught showing slideshows of activist's faces and information, training local cops to treat these peaceful activists as terrorists.

And if that trend isn't enough to outline what is behind all of this (GO HOME AND SHUT UP), remember that DHS and FBI spied on Occupy from day one (after having lied about that) and shared personal information on activists with the very corporations and banks to whom we pointed as being The Problem. DHS were also far more likely than not involved in the orchestration and systematic attack upon the encampments. Police departments are militarized by DHS and under "iWatch", do the DHS' bidding (including funneling information into fusion centers).

It comes straight down from the government to the activist. The use of force and threat of force (including involvement in the courts and prison industrial complex) again a civilian population for political purposes is part of the FBI and "patriot act"'s definition of domestic terrorism. Obama either allowed or ordered domestic terrorism against US citizens engaging in the 1st Amendment. He certainly said not one word for or against it, did he, at no time in well over a year in which 7400+ of us were arrested and he continued bailing out the banksters with our tax dollars.

Then the arrest of whistle-blowers and journalists, the quelling of journalism through NSA spying (sources unwilling to be tracked are shutting up), etc.

I'd say the trend is clear even if partially indirect. It's not democracy if they don't listen.

Edit: Quick video of SWAT team intimidation of Occupy Miami:

[struggle4progress]

26. "Obama .. ordered domestic terrorism against US citizens engaging in the 1st Amendment"

It seems to have completely escaped your attention that in the US we have divided government: the President doesn't have the authority to give orders to state or local police

[Fire Walk With Me]

30. You need to be aware of what has been done to "our" police departments under "iWatch".

How LAPD are made into a tentacle of the DHS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022154200

Bringing the argument home about domestic spying (Look no further than the Los Angeles Police Dept.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023101984

AND--- Obama neither said nor did anything, allowing it to occur very visibly for over a year while earlier stated that violence against peaceful protesters in Egypt was unacceptable:

&feature=player_embedded

Obama either ordered domestic terrorism against the US citizenry for political purposes or allowed it without question or comment (much less action). Instead, he continued bailouts and government appointments of the very people to whom we pointed as being The Problem. (Penny Pritzker among them.) He is clearly on the side of the Plutonomy and at minimum has sold out the people of this country. Made it happen on purpose for his $$$ buddies or let it happen on purpose...it is still on purpose as not making a choice IS a choice. He definitely is a lying hypocrite, so when =thousands= of US citizens are being attacked by militarized police, it's his job to do something, to make it stop. Unless he's completely okay with it or ordered it in the first place. Silence is consent.

[NuclearDem]

39. Chicago PD cop came this close to splitting my skull open at NATO as well

But yeah, what you're talking about is exactly what we mean by the suppression of protest and dissent. Intimidation through overwhelming police force, followed by being forced to languish in the judicial system for months or years.

[Fire Walk With Me]

59. :( Thank you at least for getting out and protesting, knowing it would be bad there...

Yep, "STAY HOME AND SHUT UP OR ELSE" is the prevailing message.

BTW, I posted a thread during the protests and watched lots of livestream and share your outrage:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002710303

Have all of the political prisoners taken during No NATO been released?

[NuclearDem]

64. The ones framed with the alleged bomb plot against Rahm, or the others?

I know some of the black bloc guys that were rounded up around after dark are finally out, but I haven't heard about the others.

[Fire Walk With Me]

88. Sigh...I didn't know there were that many :(

Solidarity.

[RudynJack]

93. That's not how 3 strikes works in CA.

It requires two PRIOR convictions of serious, violent felonies.

[Fire Walk With Me]

132. Ah, thanks for that. To imagine that 1st Amendment marching forces me to have to learn such. Note:

The phony felonies the pigs attempted to put upon my friends WERE violent felonies. They made up anything they wanted and worked to make it stick. So then, phony felony charges adding up from successful prosecution from any two arrests = life in prison for peaceful 1st Amendment marchers. You can bet they were trying to make it so. Arresting the same people over and over, handfuls of charges attempting to make them appear asocial. Astonishing bullshit.

[RudynJack]

141. Sigh

3 strikes is a horrible, horrible law. But I just don't believe you that protesters were charged with a 3-strikes level felony ( unless they truly were doing more than protesting).

3 Strikes felonies are generally limited to murder, rape, arson and the like. I've lived in CA for 30 years, and I've never heard of prosecutors trying to use the 3 strikes law in the manner you describe.

[JDPriestly]

48. What were you demonstrating about?

Depends on whether you were demonstrating for or against Snowden, for or against Wall Street, etc.?

The Obama administration won't mind at all if you demonstrate against abortion or shrinking voting rights. Whether you will be punished for demonstration totally depends on the content of your speech.

[NuclearDem]

61. Exactly.

Protest for something that pushes the administration's agenda, move along.

Challenge the MIC or police brutality, out comes the riot gear, rubber bullets, tear gas, flashbangs, and LRADs.

[struggle4progress]

74. The Federal Executive doesn't give orders to the Capitol Police in Raleigh, nor to any other state

or local law enforcement agency

[JDPriestly]

77. What were you demonstrating about?

Voting rights? Abortion?

What was the specific topic?

I understand that a lot of good people have been arrested in North Carolina for speaking up. How did you manage to avoid being arrested?

[struggle4progress]

79. The people who are getting arrested are deliberately refusing to leave a legislative building

after being told to clear the building

Reports from people I know who have been arrested say that the police actually seem quite sympathetic to the Moral Monday protests and are behaving very pleasantly towards them.

[Historic NY]

12. You forgot he wants your guns too.........

Then again its all Obama's fault, right.

[leveymg]

13. I truly wish the 1st and 4th Amendments had half the money and political firepower the 2nd enjoys.

The situation would be far, far different today.

[Fire Walk With Me]

14. Do not conflate NRA talking points with my post, which stand on its own and has nothing to do

with them. Shame on you. And I DID make the point that the 2nd Amendment is under pressure, if you'd read the OP.

Also, a hint of alarm at the destruction of our guaranteed rights by ANY president would be nice. I'm sure you have outrage against this situation, no matter from where it is sourced, correct? Because people who give their power to any president before questioning their actions, frighten me.

[arely staircase]

16. you have a link to support any of this? nt

[caseymoz]

41. You just watch what country he leaves us with.

Just three and a half more years. Just think, in 2017, when Obama's gone, you can then check for yourself!

[pnwmom]

51. No links, then, apparently. n/t

[caseymoz]

97. Links have already been rejected by one genius or another.

Oh, that's Greenwald! You lost me then. Oh, that libertarian liar!

When the ones who are putting the facts in front of your nose are getting the snot treatment, the only thing left to say is, wait until Obama's out of the equation and see if your mind changes.

I for one elected the guy to do exactly the opposite of what he's doing in civil liberties. I re-elected him forgiving him for letting the Wall Street thieves go so he could reverse himself (and Bush-Cheney) in civil liberties. Move them back toward where we were in 2000. Nothing else was as important to me.

By anything you research, anywhere, he is doing the opposite.

And it's not the same complaint the Right Wing is making.

[arely staircase]

71. thanks for straightening that out nt

[caseymoz]

99. Just mark my words.

You don't think it's crooked, so straightening it out wouldn't be welcomed.

[arely staircase]

107. someone just messaged me the link

what a bunch of losers with no lives.

[caseymoz]

131. Well, that was as clear an oil spill. nt

[forestpath]

19. K&R

[DeSwiss]

20. K&R

[center]

[/center]






- Wake. Up.

[struggle4progress]

27. "Oooooh! Mel Gibson! I'm sure libruls luuuv Mel Gibson!"

[Th1onein]

67. Keep trying to change the subject, struggle4progress.

Yes, it's all about Mel Gibson.

Is that all ya got?

[struggle4progress]

75. I stopped watching when Mel appeared cuz he's a rightwing fruitcake

[NuclearDem]

78. A rightwing fruitcake almost immediately followed by Whoopi Goldberg, Ed Norton,

and Michael Douglas.

[struggle4progress]

81. Sorry. I've refused to watch Mel since his racist meltdown a few years back

[Th1onein]

82. Do you realize that making it about Mel Gibson is the same thing that you and others

were accused of doing when you made the wholesale spying by the NSA under Obama about Snowden?

Doesn't work, struggle4progress. Didn't work then. Doesn't work now.

[struggle4progress]

91. Well, you go ahead and listen to the racist fruitcake, and I'll spend my time in other ways,

and we'll see who eventually knows more about what's up

[Th1onein]

126. There you go AGAIN. Making it about the messenger, and not the message.

I'm done with you.

[NuclearDem]

72. Wow, good point, that'll entirely change my perception of the video.

[snappyturtle]

40. I enjoyed the video.....timely. nt

[Catherina]

42. What is that from? I really love it. Well done. Favorited and thank you n/t

[DeSwiss]

44. I first saw it here:

http://www.examiner.com/article/this-independence-day-recognize-freedom-dying

[Catherina]

45. I loved it so much I just added it to my last thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023351977

[DeSwiss]

54. Excellent!!!

[cprise]

80. Coming from an Obamacare = tyranny pundit. n/t

[NealK]

57. Nice video.

Thanks for posting it.

[JDPriestly]

58. Thanks.

[cliffordu]

21. ALL OBAMA'S FAULT! ALL OBAMA'S FAULT!!!

Do I have that right, now, or are you going to have to hit me with it again?

[Hydra]

22. Is he, or is he not the President, the sworn defender of the Constitution? n/t

[cliffordu]

23. Yep. So is congress.

We NEVER get criticism of them here over this garbage.

All the Prez, All the time.

I track this stuff here sometimes.

Many revealing trends.

[think]

28. don't forget the good old boys at the Carlyle Group

they are not without blame or shame IMO......

[Hydra]

29. Ya, it's called revealing

Because the Executive branch enforces the laws!

Btw, you must have missed the part where we were all over Speaker Pelosi an Diane Feinstein for lawbreaking. The 4th and 5th Amendment issues are squarely in the President's court, however. If he doesn't deserve the blame, does that mean these are not his policies and he's just following orders?

[DeSwiss]

34. NO!!!

It's our fault. OUR FAULT! Everybody KNOWS that!!! You'd have to be in absolute denial not to recognize this TRUTH. Oh, now Obama as President is our fault.

- What he does in that Presidency is his.......

[mimi85]

25. Are you serious?

Let's hope Paul (either one) or Jindal or yet another Bush or even Christie wins next time. You might want to keep your post secure in your journal for in depth reflection. Damn, there have been far too many asinine threads on DU lately!

[Fire Walk With Me]

33. Google what I've posted and learn how horribly wrong you are.

And I'm tired of the childish notion that anyone who ever questions the president must want XXX to win. "If/Then" is not an argument. You don't even know me, most obviously. I voted for Obama, you know.

Grow up and RESEARCH when I've posted. If you are unaware of it you need to see it and act against it.

[pnwmom]

53. You're making the assertions, so YOU should be doing the googling.

"Shaky; under pressure" isn't much to go on.

[Fire Walk With Me]

133. That one isn't a direct link. The evidence of opinion against the 2nd Amendment is quite clear here

on DU.

Now regarding the rest because you don't get off on a technicality: It is presumed that all here are adults capable of taking a minute to research something which upsets them or which they do not believe. I am disabled and of limited energy; I cannot always post all of the links to all of the articles which have been clearly visible here in GD over the course of many months. I try to do so when I can and you will find such in many of my posts. NOW, I have included keywords from which you may actually find out more about what I've posted. IF you want to. Of course, you are welcome to chide me instead, over and over, because you merely dislike that to which I am pointing. Up to you. Chiding instead of adult research and conversation gets an Ignore because I don't have the energy to waste upon any who are merely belligerent and utterly unwilling to do a little work on such a critical subject. You know, we're supposed to be educated on such things because we vote. Kind of critical, you know.

[railsback]

35. LoL, yeah, it'll be like 'oh, hey, it wasn't that bad'

Alas, it seems the End Of The World faction is begging for punishment.. which is kinda disturbing.

[NuclearDem]

36. Christ, the "do you want the Republicans to win??!!?!?!" argument

[Zoeisright]

43. I agree.

Some people don't know when they've got it pretty good. The next repuke in the White House is going to sink this country permanently.

[NuclearDem]

46. Oh, well I guess that makes it okay then.

[JDPriestly]

62. I want the next president to be a Democrat -- Elizabeth Warren.

[JDPriestly]

60. I support Elizabeth Warren for 2016.

[Th1onein]

70. PUH-LEEZE! Don't you know that the MSM will pick our next candidates FOR us?

Shut the fuck up and watch Teevee.

[L0oniX]

106. So which of the networks should we send our political contributions to?

Obviously they need money to pay for all the ad revenue lost during the campaigns while using the FCC public owned air ...to and from their satellites.

[Th1onein]

123. Sorry, LOonix, you lost me.

[L0oniX]

124. "Don't you know that the MSM will pick our next candidates FOR us?" - Th1onein

[Th1onein]

125. LOL! Yes, I know, that's what I wrote. But I don't understand your comment in

response to it.

[L0oniX]

127. Why bother giving money to campaigns when ya can just give it to those who decide who will be...

the candidate. How much would you have to give Fox to push for Alfred E Neuman?

[Th1onein]

129. Okay, I understand what you're saying.......but, what I'm saying is exemplified by

what they did to Howard Dean. Let me put it another way: They are NARROWING our choices for us, so that only a choice of THEIR choices get chosen to be in the game.

[SoapBox]

37. So what happened under BushCo.?

[Fire Walk With Me]

38. FINALLY someone brings it up, thank you! Torture, rendition, secret prisons, warrantless wiretapping

but I'm talking about new things because "they" tell us torture, rendition, secret prisons, and warrantless wiretapping were ended. This is opening new wounds, at minimum.

This is of course a set-up for the question: What has Obama done to end the Bush/neocon initiatives and why has he been significantly adding to it?

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

116. With Congress and the Senate

not wanting to appear weak to the voters and in the pockets of the MIC and corporations and banks running it all.
Ah, but that's to simple an explanation.
Change will have to come from the bottom up, think local.

[JDPriestly]

47. K&R. We did not work to elect Obama so that his administration could violate

the Constitution in these ways.

We did not vote for him so that he would violate our rights.

I am a staunch Democrat, but this abuse of our rights has to end. It is not a Democratic or Republican problem. It is far more fundamental than that.

Unless the government respects the Constitution and stops interpreting it with doubletalk, our country will have great difficulty in the future.

The Constitution was agreed only after we tried another form of government that failed us. If our executive branch wants to amend the Constitution, let them take it to the people, the states, the Congress.

[L0oniX]

122. What they've done to the Constitution was not done democratically by the majority of an informed...

US population. We can't be informed because they hide the truth in state secrets. We can't trust the voting system because corporations own the machines with proprietary hackable code and SCOTUS will when it can, decide for us. We are forced to accept candidates that are manipulated and selected by the corporate media. Steal a car and get killed by the cops but steal from the US people and get a fat TARP pie. Iraq war criminals live in security and peace while new ones are preparing to do the same. The MIC profits from the deaths of children while its employees make enough money send their kids to the best colleges. Public schools are being destroyed and everyone is going to end up having their kids graduate from K12 schools online. Ya can't even pledge allegiance to the flag without questioning the validity of the words used nor sing the nation anthem without also questioning the validity of the words used. Imposter's hold office and the nations poor, sick and elderly are at severe risk because of unbridled greed. SCOTUS runs wild with interpretations only Timothy Leary could come up with and the Goldman Sachs congressional mafia plays Uncle Wiggly and Chutes and Ladders. The executive branch runs its Punch and Judy puppet show after suckering punching every lefty progressive who sided with the Dems in a facade of hope and change. US democracy is an illusion with its zombie voter party constituents, all the while operating under the pretense of American exceptional-ism and a never ending war on perceived terrorism coming from all sides and internally too. National fear mongering is all the rage to enable endless money being thrown into vast secret DHS and NSA operations partly designed to protect the 1% from the rest of us ...and most certainly it will be used against us should we the people take up cause against this continuing attack on our constitutional and human rights. I totally understand why the elderly wish to not even think about it anymore but try to live out the remainder of their lives without being cast out into the streets or die on the steps of a hospital. Apathy? O yes indeed ...and much of it.

[blackspade]

49. I think this is putting it mildly.

[pnwmom]

50. Do you have links for all of this?

It seems that the onus should be on you, the person making all these claims, rather than the reader to do the googling.

[dionysus]

55. pay them no mind, huffing glue makes one post wierd shit. nt

[NuclearDem]

69. Yeah, maybe you should stop doing that then.

[Fire Walk With Me]

66. I and others have been posting and screaming about these things for well over a year, right here

in GD. How has anyone missed any of it? I CANNOT SPEND ALL OF MY TIME EDUCATING PEOPLE WHO ARE IGNORING WHAT IS RIGHT HERE FOR ALL TO READ. I am disabled and have limited energy. I should not be wasting it whatsoever on ingrates who will not make the effort to stay educated and aware on this absolutely critical subject.

I have posted about these things in GD MANY times. I am not going to re-iterate myself AGAIN and AGAIN when each new person challenges what should be common knowledge on a critical subject. You vote. You need to keep up.



For example, search DU for "DHS hunch 100 miles" to learn about one aspect of the death of the 4th Amendment. What I've posted in the OP should link everyone to related items.

And you know, when I =do= present lists of links on a subject, I more often than not catch crap from those who are only going to ignore it anyway. It's why I often leave this place for weeks or months on end. The resistance to facts is willful and sickening.

[pnwmom]

73. How on earth would anyone know to google something like "DHS hunch 100 miles"?

Never mind.

If you want people to take you seriously, then provide links. Or at least provide links to your own previous posts (which you claim contain links.)

[Fire Walk With Me]

76. Because having read the article here several times, I made certain the key words which would

enable a search were in my OP. I attempted this with each section of my OP. ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ON DU IN GD MULTIPLE TIMES. Did you somehow miss the two years or so worth of posts regarding government attacks and spying upon the Occupy movement?

[pnwmom]

85. I've read many posts but, sorry, I don't remember the specifics of yours.

You can't assume that everyone has read your posts and remembered them, including all your links. Nobody should assume that when posting here.

Why don't you just link to your previous posts, if you have details and links there?

[Fire Walk With Me]

138. I've explained why three times and twice suggested that you do a quick and easy search.

Three and two. You are just going on and on being belligerent so off you go to Ignore. Best luck.

[delrem]

120. I agree and sympathize.

But I'll tell you flat out: there's a contingent who *won't* recognize any information supporting a defense of civil rights vs NSA, DHS, incursions. They will *not* recognize any information explaining about "signature strikes". And so on. They do *not* care about the statements of position that enthused the millions who listened, applauded and were given hope. They do *not* care that the breaking of those promises produced puzzlement, apologetics, and finally cynicism about the entire process of US democracy. They do *not* notice that they're a minority entirely lacking in substantive argument.

The only statement made by Pres. Obama in campaign speeches that they *don't* hold him to is the one that says "hold my feet to the fire".

[dionysus]

52. lol

[NealK]

65. K&R

Good post.

[blkmusclmachine]

68. Operation Northwoods ..

They got their dominoes all lined up before 9/11.

[jazzimov]

83. More anti-Obama BS

designed to make people vote against the Dems.

[NuclearDem]

84. Or to hold Democrats to a higher standard.

But since that is apparently tantamount to aiding and abetting the Republicans, I guess we should all just shut up and let anyone with a (D) after their name get away with whatever the hell they like.

[Brewinblue]

111. Voicing Displeasure With Obama = Making People Vote Against Dems?

Einstein must be looking down at your avatar image with tremendous pride.

[Fire Walk With Me]

137. Gee. Obama's actions are anti-Constitutional and I have a real problem with that.

If you are worried about people alienating voters for the Democratic party, look no further than Obama, who is not a Democrat at all.

If you've been paying attention to what is actually posted on DU from reputable sources, instead of ignoring anything which counters your belief in Obama. An attitude such as that would also be significantly alienating to people who might otherwise vote Democratic. But no, they ignore or attack anything "against" Obama. Exactly how is that supposed to attract voters?

AND HAVE YOU READ ANYTHING HERE TO WHICH I REFER AND WHICH IS EASILY SEARCHABLE? Try the "DHS hunch 100 miles" search to learn about one aspect of the death of the 4th Amendment on Obama's watch.

Here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=dhs+hunch+100+miles&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com

[Deep13]

87. similar things under Wilson, Adams.

not defending anything unconstitutional, but it does have a precedent.

[Skidmore]

94. It is always nice to see another thread

which doesn't remember that we have three branches of government and that Congress has been doing its best nothing for several years. How abou the laws they leave us with? Would that a few of you remember that. I am beyond disgusted with the constant pass given to the representatives who craft the laws and controll the purse. You want me to take this sort of post seriously? Hold all parts of government responsible. Giving comfort to the Teabagger fringe does the nation o good.

[Fire Walk With Me]

134. Obama himself twice signed the NDAA section 1021 (indefinite detention) and sent laywers to

reinstate it when it was struck down as unConstitutional in the Hedges et al. lawsuit against it. Three levels deep in this unConstitutional legislation, he is. Obama also said zip zero zilch when Occupiers were systematically attacked by militarized police and 7400 of us were arrested. He DID say in 2011 regarding uprisings in Egypt that "attacks against peaceful protesters are unacceptable". That a government must protect the rights of its people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=login

Militarized attacks upon his own citizens are just fine, evidently. Silence equals consent. And he was completely silent. And that is his "strong message" on the subject. The message is received and understood.

When and where has Obama challenged, downsized, or even better, ended outright the Bush/neocon legislation? He's done the very opposite with extra-judicial executions of US citizens, secret kill lists, expanded spying...you do know that section 1061 of the upcoming NDAA results in the creation of a brand-new intelligence department dedicated to scrutinizing and analyzing the data and metadata captured up to now and in the future? As Obama twice signed and fought in court for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation, I'll harbor a suspicion that he'll also sign section 1061, and more and more and more.

The President is not powerless. He has a voice, at minimum, and it has not been raised against the suveillance state, not one whit. His actions on the other hand significantly expand it. This is consent, and worse. You did read about DHS deciding they can seize laptops anywhere along the border and up to 100 miles inland? No more 4th Amendment right there. Silence from Obama. And another year, another 100 billion dollars to fund the DHS budget. They've spent $1 trillion dollars up until now. Silence from Obama. Sense the Trend.

[SidDithers]

101. ROFL...

Sid

[JaneyVee]

102. This op would be better over at freerepublic

[Fire Walk With Me]

139. Thank you for your enlightening insight into these extremely critical matters. n/t

[JoePhilly]

105. #8: The bail for being arrested for smoking pot has been raised to ...

Its true ... google it.

[dionysus]

112. !

[Scurrilous]

109. Oh, boy.

[BobbyBoring]

110. Here's an interesting thing I saw on reddit today

Was this guy Nostradamus or what?

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7beo2/obama_wins_the_presidency/c066ww8?context=3

[Chaco Dundee]

118. who knows

Has it crossed anybodys mind that he was handpicked by the opposition?

[Generic Brad]

140. Really? Was Alan West busy the week they were picking?

Those devious fiends!

[cantbeserious]

128. Didn't Everyone Get The Memo - Obama Has Moved Pass N-Dimensional Chess To Hyper-Dimensional Chess

eom

[Dustin DeWinde]

130. lol @ the rantings of a paulbot

Firstly the patriot act was passed under bush. Secondly are you really saying that protestors were never arrested under any previous president? Thirdly the ows kids are an important part of Obama's base what incentive would he have for mistreating them.

By the way I'm betting you are a Zimmerman apologist.

And as for what was and was not made legal, neither Obama nor any other president can change a single law. That's reserved for congress. And your rightwing pals control congress right now.

Well the house anyway but that will change after next years elelction

The only people you are fooling are those who want to be fooled. To the rest of us your intent is crystal clear. You may not like that the Black guy is a two term president but that's just too damned
bad now isn't it?

Oh and just because I know how you will take the news Africa is now the fastest growing continent in the world economically and demographically. And since 2011 more minority babies were born in the us than white babies. And our next president will either be Joe Biden (third term for Obama's policies) or we will put a woman in the White house. Something I know good ol teaparty boys like yourself will love. Haha.
The world has changed my rightwing tinfoil hat wearing friend. And the pace of change is accelerating.
Enjoy.

[Fire Walk With Me]

135. "Zimmerman apologist"? When you call names, you go very deeply below the belt. Not from around here,

are you? That is exceedingly ugly and depraved. Wash out your soul with soap.

Fire, ellisonz & pinboy marched together in L.A. Sunday for Trayvon Martin (PHOTOS)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12521853

"Paulbot"? Good lord, got any more flame bait?

NOT WORTH ANSWERING FURTHER.

[NuclearDem]

142. Wow, bullshit logic bingo!

Racist, Paulbot, Zimmerman apologist, secret Republican/Teabagger, where-were-you-when-Bush-did-it.

[Blue_In_AK]

144. Has anyone alerted on this?