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HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:31 AM Jul 2013

How Nancy Pelosi Saved the NSA Surveillance Program

The obituary of Rep. Justin Amash's amendment to claw back the sweeping powers of the National Security Agency has largely been written as a victory for the White House and NSA chief Keith Alexander, who lobbied the Hill aggressively in the days and hours ahead of Wednesday's shockingly close vote. But Hill sources say most of the credit for the amendment's defeat goes to someone else: House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. It's an odd turn, considering that Pelosi has been, on many occasions, a vocal surveillance critic.

But ahead of the razor-thin 205-217 vote, which would have severely limited the NSA's ability to collect data on Americans' telephone records if passed, Pelosi privately and aggressively lobbied wayward Democrats to torpedo the amendment, a Democratic committee aid with knowledge of the deliberations tells The Cable.

"Pelosi had meetings and made a plea to vote against the amendment and that had a much bigger effect on swing Democratic votes against the amendment than anything Alexander had to say," said the source, keeping in mind concerted White House efforts to influence Congress by Alexander and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. "Had Pelosi not been as forceful as she had been, it's unlikely there would've been more Democrats for the amendment."

With 111 liberal-to-moderate Democrats voting for the amendment alongside 94 Republicans, the vote in no way fell along predictable ideological fault lines. And for a particular breed of Democrat, Pelosi's overtures proved decisive, multiple sources said.

But despite the minority leader's instrumental role in swaying the vote, you won't find her taking credit: She's busy protecting her left flank from liberal supporters of Amash's amendment -- some of whom openly booed her at last month's Netroots Nation conference where she defended President Obama's NSA surveillance program.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/25/how_nancy_pelosi_saved_the_nsa_surveillance_program

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How Nancy Pelosi Saved the NSA Surveillance Program (Original Post) HiPointDem Jul 2013 OP
Killing The Constitution Softly cantbeserious Jul 2013 #1
Nancy SMASH! Fumesucker Jul 2013 #2
Wow. They must have something on her. Helen Borg Jul 2013 #3
yeah, they know she works for power., Civilization2 Jul 2013 #4
I don't think John2 Jul 2013 #8
It's all about money. Had that amendment passed, funding would have been cut off for sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #17
No they don't FreakinDJ Jul 2013 #11
du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #5
Nancy Pelosi takes her orders directly from the White House. Laelth Jul 2013 #6
Yep G_j Jul 2013 #7
I'm for it obxhead Jul 2013 #9
The same way she saved Bush's admin, torture and all their crimes Catherina Jul 2013 #10
All in the same camp Hydra Jul 2013 #13
It's a big club Enthusiast Jul 2013 #14
So much for checks and balances. Broward Jul 2013 #12
Stopping the libertarian wing of the GOP from a win like this was more important. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #15
???? 'Stopping the Libertarian Wing of the GOP'?? Are you SERIOUS? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #18
Justin Amash is a Progressive Democrat? nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #22
John Conyers, Ron Wyden are 'Republican Libertarians'? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #27
Wait. So the GOP is AGAINST the NSA surveillance program? leftstreet Jul 2013 #19
The AMASH Amendment... AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #21
But..but it says that amendment would 'claw back' NSA powers leftstreet Jul 2013 #23
No one cares about Ron Paul. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #29
This! (nt) LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #31
More democrats voted for it than republicans LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #30
What do people expect? n2doc Jul 2013 #16
Exactly. This is Obama's SPY program. Pelosi carries his water fighting our civil liberties. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #20
The RW hates Pelosi, jazzimov Jul 2013 #24
Thanks a lot, Nancy. Brigid Jul 2013 #25
Thanks for all you've done, Nancy, but LittleBlue Jul 2013 #26
I tend to favor Pelosi's reasoning and intellect railsback Jul 2013 #28
Impeachment-Is-Off-The-Table Nancy Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #32
 

Civilization2

(649 posts)
4. yeah, they know she works for power.,
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 07:49 AM
Jul 2013

It is easy to get people to do what you want when you offer them p o w e r.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
8. I don't think
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 08:23 AM
Jul 2013

that is the case. I think Nancy Pelosi is pretty loyal to President Obama and probably wanted to help him. She is probably regretting it now. The President needs to decide if he wants to be a Democrat or Republican. He is the one continuing the Neocon Policies. With Regime change, right on down to Guantanamo. Nancy Pelosi is OK. I think she just prides herself in getting things done. You got to give her some slack because she was more effective than Boner in getting things done.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
17. It's all about money. Had that amendment passed, funding would have been cut off for
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:51 PM
Jul 2013

Private Security Corps (mostly Bush constructs, the privatization of our 'security) such as Booz Allen, former employee of our current Director of Intelligence, Clapper who lied to Congress with, as people have noticed, zero consequences.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
6. Nancy Pelosi takes her orders directly from the White House.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 08:11 AM
Jul 2013

She is a team player, and she does her best to implement the President's agenda. If Pelosi pressured Democrats to preserve the NSA's current powers, it was (almost certainly) because the President told her to.

-Laelth

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
9. I'm for it
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 08:35 AM
Jul 2013

until the actual vote comes up Nancy strikes again.

With Democrats like these who needs Republicans?

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
10. The same way she saved Bush's admin, torture and all their crimes
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 08:50 AM
Jul 2013

What else is new lol? Rec'd

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
13. All in the same camp
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 03:09 PM
Jul 2013

One of the more interesting moments from the "impeachment is off the table" timeperiod:

Unsmilingly, she continued: "If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering, but because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment."

Though opposed to the war herself, Pelosi has for months been a target of an antiwar movement that believes she hasn't done enough. Cindy Sheehan has announced a symbolic challenge to Pelosi in California's 8th Congressional District. And the speaker is seething.

"We have to make responsible decisions in the Congress that are not driven by the dissatisfaction of anybody who wants the war to end tomorrow," Pelosi told the gathering at the Sofitel, arranged by the Christian Science Monitor. Though crediting activists for their "passion," Pelosi called it "a waste of time" for them to target Democrats. "They are advocates," she said. "We are leaders."

It was a rather fierce response to the party's liberal base, which frightens many a congressional Democrat. But it wasn't out of character for the new speaker. Pelosi's fixed and constant smile makes her appear as if she is cutting an ad for a whitening toothpaste. But when you listen to the words that come from her grinning maw, the smile seems more akin to that of a barracuda.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/09/AR2007100902006.html
 

AllINeedIsCoffee

(772 posts)
15. Stopping the libertarian wing of the GOP from a win like this was more important.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jul 2013

Good job, Pelosi, you are an effective member of the Democratic Party.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. ???? 'Stopping the Libertarian Wing of the GOP'?? Are you SERIOUS?
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:55 PM
Jul 2013

She stopped Progressive Democrats from making a small dent in Bush's egregious, anti-Constitution policies and it was a disgraceful thing to do.

Don't try selling that talking point here to Progressive Democrats. It is DOD since most Democrats are not suffering from the amnesia these assaults on Civil Liberties are hoping for.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
27. John Conyers, Ron Wyden are 'Republican Libertarians'?
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jul 2013

Is this the level of discourse DU has sunk to? Are you trying to avoid the topic at hand or are you seriously not aware of what an important issue this has been for Democrats for more than a decade now?

I can't tell, you don't seem to be concerned about the issue itself but seem to be trying to make it about personalities.

Anytime you want to openly defend, or reject Bush's policies, please do so.

And that is what we are talking about here, BUSH/CHENEY POLICIES. Where do you stand on Bush/Cheney Policies?

LostOne4Ever

(9,752 posts)
30. More democrats voted for it than republicans
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:19 AM
Jul 2013

It would have been a win just as much for the civil libertarian wing of the democratic party (if not more so) as for the "We want to smoke dope" wing of the GOP.

This was a win for authoritarianism and a loss for liberty and the american people.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
16. What do people expect?
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jul 2013

She is just doing what her President wants. People complain that Obama is powerless, but here is a perfect example of where he wields power. If she didn't go along with him then the party would be in complete disarray.

Blame Obama for this, not the system. Had he said "ok, lets work out an amendment that curtails the spying in a reasonable fashion, and then push it" it would have happened, discretely, behind closed doors. He did not want any restrictions.

chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
20. Exactly. This is Obama's SPY program. Pelosi carries his water fighting our civil liberties.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jul 2013
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
26. Thanks for all you've done, Nancy, but
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:15 PM
Jul 2013

frankly it's time for new blood in leadership positions. Please step aside so someone younger with new ideas can lead.

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
28. I tend to favor Pelosi's reasoning and intellect
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jul 2013

over ANYONE here sitting in the bleachers, booing because there's not enough blood flying in the arena.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
32. Impeachment-Is-Off-The-Table Nancy
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:27 AM
Jul 2013

should be ashamed of herself. Apparently, she doesn't have that much common sense or conscience though.

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