Glenn Greenwald, International Attention Whore

[MjolnirTime]

What's that? Another bit of BREAKING NEWS from Glenn Greenwald??

Let me guess. We don't really learn any more than we did before, but Glenn will spend a week or two doing interviews on as many tv shows as will have him.
How dare we want to see all the full information he was given immediately. That would end this parade of ego-stroking "news" stories that Glenn has bestowed upon us.
Glenn gets to pick and choose what is worthy of sight.
He determines the bits and pieces revealed. Partial truths serve his purpose far more than the whole thing.
He can keep this up for as long as we let him.

We'll never get the big bad facts that he keeps teasing. Just another lame attempt at political manipulation from a man with a Libertarian agenda. Snowden picked the wrong public liason. He'll be left swaying in the wind while Greenwald attempts to squeeze a career out of this. Glenn thinks he's the new Woodward and Bernstein.

He's a hack. And a dangerous hack at that.

[Cooley Hurd]

1. He's a journalist, but because you don't like what he writes about...

...you impugn his character by calling him a "hack".

Lemme ask - how do you feel about the massive data-mining the US Government is doing?

Oh, and... on edit, what is your opinion about this?
The government figured out sockpuppet managment but not "persona management".

[railsback]

28. I guess that makes Bill O'Reilly a 'journalist', too.

I had no idea ol' Bill was actually speaking truth to power. I guess now I have to believe him, too.

[Cooley Hurd]

29. You don't know what a journalist is, do you?

If you think your weak attempt to equate Greenwald with BillO is some sort of understanding of journalism, then you are lost in the woods, my friend.

[railsback]

30. Yes, according to the Greenwald standard

Bill O'Reilly is now an official 'journalist'.

[Cooley Hurd]

31. A non-answer to my question

...which was, do you understand JOURNALISM? Over demogoguery? Apparently, you do not.

Here's a clue:

Journalism is the activity, or product, of journalists or others engaged in the preparation of written, visual, or audio material intended for dissemination through public media with reference to factual, ongoing events of public concern. It is intended to inform society about itself and to make events public that would otherwise remain private.
In modern society, news media are the chief purveyor of information and opinion about public affairs. Journalism, however, is not to be confused with the news media or the news itself. In some nations, the news media is government-controlled and not an independent body that operates within journalistic frameworks. In democratic societies, access to information can play a key role in a system of checks and balances designed to limit the overreach of powers concentrated in governments, businesses and other entities and individuals. Access to verifiable information gathered by independent media sources adhering to journalistic standards can also provide ordinary citizens with the tools they need to participate in the political process.

A demagogue /ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/ or rabble-rouser is a political leader in a democracy who appeals to the emotions, prejudices, and ignorance of the less-educated citizens in order to gain power and promote political motives. Demagogues usually oppose deliberation and advocate immediate, violent action to address a national crisis; they accuse moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness. Demagogues have appeared in democracies since ancient Athens. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, nothing stops the people from giving that power to someone who appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population.

[railsback]

35. LoL. Its not a 'non-answer'

Its just an answer you don't like.

[FreakinDJ]

2. -1 :(

[darkangel218]

3. -1

[villager]

4. Wow -- the "Two Minutes Hate" is stretching into extra minutes this morning...

...here at the "Underground."

[Whisp]

56. it will be a while to catch up to the Years Hate against the President.

You should learn not to be so thin skinned and sensitive. We're not 'hating', we're just criticizing and keeping Glennie's feet to the fire with our truth to powers.

[villager]

62. "You should learn not to be so thin skinned and sensitive"

Indeed, indeed.

[snappyturtle]

5. Old tactic.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

6. He's a self-important editorialist that thinks he's above the law. nt

[Cooley Hurd]

7. Actually, he's a journalist.

...who has broken no laws.

(If I failed to recognize sarcasm in your post, my apologies )

[treestar]

12. Journalists report facts leaving the reader to his own opinion

Greenwald gives us his opinion. That is editorializing.

[Cooley Hurd]

18. No, he reports facts that apparently disturb some here on DU...

...because it crushes the bubble they've ensconced themselves into.

[Fawke Em]

21. THIS

[kentuck]

22. +10000

True.

[treestar]

23. He reports his opinions which some here

are too willing to blindly follow.

[Cooley Hurd]

25. Please, by all means, point out the "opinion" vs "fact"

[HardTimes99]

64. Zzzhoooom! That's the sound of the First Amendment being thrown under

the bus!

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. George Orwell wrote of the two minutes of hate

Instead of Goldstein, you scream Greenwald

[MjolnirTime]

48. Greenwald is far more dangerous than Goldstein.

Manny accomplishes nothing.

Glenn gets naive young analysts to steal National Secrets for him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. I would like to see your evidence that he forced Snowden to

Do that.

[MjolnirTime]

52. He didn't force him, but he definitely had a hand in making it happen.

Greenwald has already accidentally confessed to knowing Snowden prior to the job at Booz Allen.
The job that Snowden got with the specific purpose of stealing secrets.

When Snowden goes down, he will take Glenn with him.
Luckily, Brazil has an extradition agreemnet with the US.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. I want to see a concrete piece of evidence

Which I am sure you can't provide.

[Fumesucker]

51. Goldstein may or may not exist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Goldstein

[MjolnirTime]

53. His name is Legion.

[Katashi_itto]

9. -1

and off to the trash

[The Straight Story]

10. U mad Bro?

[MjolnirTime]

49. As mad as you'll be when Snowden gets arrested. You'll weep for the hero.

And his mistreatment.

Right, bro?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

11. Recommended with "authority"

[treestar]

13. Agree, there are many attention whores

and the modern internet based media seems a good environment for them. He's one of many.

[kentuck]

14. He gets to be an "attention whore" again this Wednesday...

..when he testifies before an informal House hearing.

Maybe they will be able to squeeze more facts out of him? Stay tuned. Some Republican may put him on the spot and make a lot of people happy. We will wait and see.

[UTUSN]

15. R#7 & K n/t

[DLevine]

16. Awesome transparency page. nt

[City Lights]

26. Haha, agreed! nt

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

55. Thanks for pointing that out.

I read everything the OP has said that's been hidden by a jury and all I can say is:



Couldn't agree more... with all of it.

[Scurrilous]

17. Nailed it!

[Le Taz Hot]

19. Give it up.

Do you guys have any idea how pathetically desperate you look? Apparently not because you continue to post shit like this.

[vaberella]

20. He wants a movie made about him like Julian Assange. n/t

[Number23]

61. Vaberella!! How are you? Haven't seen you in forever!

Have you been away or have I just been missing you? If you have been away, you picked a hell of a time to come back. The place has been even worse than usual the past month or so.

[vaberella]

68. Hey. I know, I missed you too. I notice the bashing.

It was my first year teaching in NYC public schools. I had to put politics on the side for that experience. It was actually nearly my last year of working in public schools. It's summer so I have some free time. I will be here more often. But in the wake of this Snowden thing, Weiner, and Zimmerman---I have a lot to catch up on.

[Number23]

71. Well, when things get too stupid in GD (and they will)

You can always come and hang out in the AA forum.

[avaistheone1]

24. Got your attention.

HAH!

[limpyhobbler]

27. On DU it's OK to bash Greenwald with insults, but not OK to bash Obama with similar insults.

unequal playing field.

[SidDithers]

39. Seriously?...

You don't see the difference between the standing accorded to Democrat Obama and Libertarian Greenwald, on a partisan Democratic discussion board.

Perhaps you think DU is a non-partisan, open forum like Yahoo?

The idea that Greenwald deserves the same level of respect as Obama, at DU, is one of the dumbest things I've ever read posted here.



Sid

[limpyhobbler]

59. I don't really look at it that way.

We're having an ongoing debate about these issues of mass surveillance and such.

One side regularly uses intellectually dishonest tactics like name calling, character assassination and such. Calling someone an attention whore, etc.

The other side can't do that back. It's not a level playing field.

It seems like people think it's ok to disagree with Obama on policies, but they don't want you to question his character. That seems to be the community standard. Personally I don't really like that standard. I think Obama is a man of low character with weak moral fiber.

[AgingAmerican]

32. Then stop heaping attention on him

nt

[Fantastic Anarchist]

33. Boo hoo for you. Unrec.

[Link Speed]

34. I don't know about Greenwald, but I'm pretty sure about someone else.

I just can't seem to put my finger on it, but I'll get back to you.

[SidDithers]

40. Welcome to DU...

Sid

[Federosky]

36. You are not mad that he releases information slowly

You are mad that he releases information, period.

[War Horse]

37. You may be on to something here

"Snowden picked the wrong public liaison".

I'm not at all sure about Snowdens motivations here. I've read a lot about them, of course, but there are so many smears and personal attacks against him that it gets hard to take it seriously after a while.

Greenwald, though, seems to be involved in this primarily to benefit Greenwald, IMO.

[SidDithers]

38. DU rec...

He's a clown.

Sid

[Douglas Carpenter]

41. he used to be REALLY REALLY good when he held the Bush Administration and the GOP accountable

Now he has betrayed all journalistic ethics by holding Obama and the Democrats accountable - What an asshole!

[99Forever]

42. Why does this thread make me think of...

... this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023358242

Pathetic.

[Tikki]

43. He is a HACK, true that...

Tikki

[last1standing]

44. Journalist exposes rampant domestic spying; get's attacked with factless smears.

Why bother having a ban against linking to freerepublic when their words can be posted right on the board?

The white-hot hatred some at DU have for Greenwald and the sick glee these same posters take in reveling over Snowden's predicament, is truly eye opening. I'm glad these views are in the minority but I'm saddened that there are still so many calling themselves Democrats who seem to enjoy nothing better than wallowing in the pain of others.

[Jim Lane]

45. The approved ratio seems to be 9 personal attacks on Greenwald for every 1 thread about the issues.

Congratulations, you've helped the NSA apologists make quota for today.

I for one find it very revealing that there's such a disproportionate focus on Greenwald (and Snowden) personally. It's almost as if some people wanted to find a distraction from the substance of what's been revealed.

[Quantess]

46. I really appreciate Glenn Greenwald.

-1 Unrec.

[Oilwellian]

47. We need more Greenwalds in the world n/t

[G_j]

57. Internet attention whore ?

I've seen em

[vi5]

58. Why are we still even debating this?

For the weeks prior to this one, the excuses were "This was a Bush era program!!! It's not Obama's fault. He's just following the law. He can't make or change laws!!! That's Congress's job!! Get a civics lesson!!!"

Well this week the administration made it clear that they liked this program and wanted to keep it, and lobbied against a bill that would add accountability to it and start the process of bringing it in line with constitutionality.

So now it's clear. Whoever put the program in place, Obama now enthusiastically and vigorously supports it.

So we learned that contrary to what is spun on here, that the administration CAN lobby congress, they CAN play a part in whether bills pass or fail, and that he is in favor of this particular law that allows the government to continue spying on American citizens.

If someone supports that, then fine. But let's not be fooling ourselves any more. We know where Obama stands and since people are still spinning and making excuses, we know where a lot of DUers stand. So....there we have it. No more reason to have this discussion.

[Skittles]

60. the swooners are upset at the forced outing

that's the ONLY reason they're having the vapors

[Whisp]

65. you again with the swooners?

get new material

[Skittles]

66. you again defending the swooners?

get new material

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

63. So a journalist, doing his job, getting information out to the public, is a "whore"

interesting perspective you got there.

[Scurrilous]

67. K & R

[LondonReign2]

69. This is the shit the centrists proudly post now?

I've seen more intelligent and debate worthy posts on Yahoo boards

[muriel_volestrangler]

70. It's below the average intelligence of a YouTube reply

I don't think I can conceive of a lower standard than that.