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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYoung American whites have become a bunch of idiotic hooligans..
In the 1940s, young American whites fought Nazis. In the late '60s, they fought injustice. Now, many have become selfish idiotic thugs with no culture, morals or any other mission but drinking and mayhem. Why are parents and politicians tolerating these violent imbeciles?
A frightening and violent mob swept through the normally quiet seaside community of Huntington Beach last night following a surfing competition in the area. Businesses were vandalized and looted, portable toilets overturned, and brutal fistfights waged right out in the open. It was an ugly display and a sad day for California. But more than that, it was a reminder that we must begin to seriously consider the values of our thuggish white youth.
Many people don't want to hear this kind of tough love, of course. They'd like to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that all white children are as sweet and harmless as Taylor Swift. But the reality is that the statistics tell a different story. For instance, according to research from the Department of Justice, 84 percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people [PDF]. Similarly, white rape victims tend to be raped by other whites [PDF]. White-on-white violence is a menace to white communities across the country, and yet you never hear white leaders like Pastor Joel Osteen, Bill O'Reilly, or Hillary Clinton take a firm stance against the scourge.
More important than white politicians are the white parents. I'd like to ask the caregivers of the children in these videos what they've been doing. When did so many white parents fall asleep at the wheel? You can complain about poor schools all you'd like, but the fact of the matter is that it's the parents of these children who are letting them leave the house looking like slobs in their baggy board shorts and Hollister t-shirts. It's the parents of these kids who are letting them listen to violent, self-destructive trash like "Anarchy in the UK" or "Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue"performed loudly by noted conservative rocker Johnny Ramone.
As I said, I know a lot of whites don't want to hear this kind of tough talk. But as an American of color who considers himself an ally to the white community, I'm just tired of seeing young, belligerent white people disgrace themselves year after year at surfing events, horse racing infields, and Ivy League campuses. Whites in America have been out from under their European ancestors' boot heels for centuries; California specifically outlawed preferences for nonwhites in state hiring and education nearly two decades ago. So being "oppressed" is no longer an excuse for behavior like this. How long must we wait for the white community to get its act together?
http://gawker.com/video-of-violent-rioting-surfers-shows-white-culture-o-954939719/961550607
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)brush
(53,865 posts)Where did this come from? There is so much truth in this. 84% of white murder victims are murdered by whites. I've been saying this in response to all the posters and posts that bring up black-on-black crime as a way to switch topics away from racial injustice like the trial of that murderer zimmerman.
All I have to say to them is turnabout is fair play.
antigone382
(3,682 posts)Thank you. It reminds me of an article I read in a religion class in which a woman rather scoffingly and condesceningly explained why, from a theological perspective, men were simply not suitable to be priests. It is so eye-opening to see the dominant group put in the place that lower status groups typically occupy.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)So brilliant.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)I'm trying to remember when young black males
went into a school and randomly shot everybody
they could find.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)rl6214
(8,142 posts)Do you know anything about the beltway snipers?
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)rl6214
(8,142 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)I was living there at the time and it was scary because
everyone thought they were in a white van. Every other
vehicle on the Beltway was a white van. And the
shootings were so random.
I didn't really think through what I wrote in the previous
post -- but it is related to what disaffected young men
tend to do when they have guns. I don't know if there
is really a difference between races in that regard.
It's all lost boys full of anger and hate.
Nobody taught them about their own human hearts.
That could be nipped in the bud within a generation.
If there were enough love.
There is, but people don't use it.
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wikipedia explanation did not address the fact that young white males have been shooting up schools, killing small children, and movie theaters, college campuses, although vir. tech was an asian-american shooter. address that randomness. geez
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)...and call them African American /sarcarsm
Skittles
(153,193 posts)it really drives the racism home
RagAss
(13,832 posts)of which have never been seen before in any generation in America. We can all thank Big Pharma and Oxycodone for this fucking mess.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)glutted the market with Oxycodone with the express purpose of keeping the masses tranquil with the advice of the PTB?
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)no more no less.
If they flooded tranquility drugs, they'd flood 'em w/ Xanax,
Oh, wait.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)doctors
=
tendency toward adult misbehaviors.
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Wilms
(26,795 posts)Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, I should probably say here that my best friend is white.
wryter2000
(46,081 posts)think
(11,641 posts)I laughed almost to tears!
Link Speed
(650 posts)I see it every day.
The pics from HB were sickening.
Whoever let those punks believe that acting out like that is OK are just as fucked up as those fucking punk kids.
Parents who defend their little shits' bad behavior, right in front of the Little Shit.
Parents who actually allow their Little Shit(s) to run around decent restaurants, unchecked, and get feisty when called on it.
I see it, every day.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Link Speed
(650 posts)but you beat me to it.
Say, it appears as if we are of the same vintage...
So, I have to ask...
Did your user name follow you from SE Asia? I have heard similar on handsets (or whatever radio guys called them).
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Yeah, my username is the last radio callsign I had in-country.
Welcome to DU!
HipChick
(25,485 posts)serves me right for tweeting them though...
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Well, that was the author of the Gawker piece Chris had on...
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)they seem to be slow on the news, and some of the stuff they cover is what came out days ago on DU.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Pay the bills, buy a car, mortgage a home, have children.
Get to fucking work.
GlashFordan
(216 posts)Or poorly executed snark?
npk
(3,660 posts)There is a video of the violence.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)lolly
(3,248 posts)Delivered--in a very well-executed delivery--in the same tone many white newscasters use to describe any event that puts minorities in a bad light.
(why did that even need to be said?)
bvar22
(39,909 posts)No, it is High Quality Satire intended for an intelligent audience.
I give it Two Thumbs UP!
Link Speed
(650 posts)Fucking punks, every one.
Look what happened to Occupiers.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)is stating "Young American whites have become a bunch of idiotic hooligans". Racism is racism. And to make a completely, demonstrably false statement such as this, then tie it to race is idiotic (among other things) indeed..
If you do what the racist do you justify it...so now you cannot say anything if someone says "Young American blacks have become a bunch of idiotic hooligans".
It does nothing but escalate the tension and name calling...nothing good can come from it
M0rpheus
(885 posts)Just reminding you, because I'd be sad if you were both serious.
Just in case you are, keep in mind these 2 things:
1. That this is a post from a gossip site. It's parody! Maybe if it was written by the Onion, you might have noticed.
2. That the exact reverse happens in the news every fucking day.
This is commentary on the breathless reporting/pearl clutching about black people and their "propensity for violence".
seriously
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And if it is a joke it is a sick one...IMO.
If it had been written by the Onion it would been funny...I saw nothing funny in it at all...and in fact seemed to try to stir the shit.
IMO.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)So, one article with tongue firmly in cheek is somehow going to shut down the "open conversation" we've been having about racism?
Can you help me out with why it's such a "sick" joke?
Edit: added for context. Watch the whole thing... OR skip to 6:38 for the point.
yesphan
(1,588 posts)the whole friggin point.
Very well done if you ask me.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Non-white people deal with articles just like this one on a daily basis. From headline stories to letters to the editors: this exactly what we see constantly.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And by making it about white people it lends legitimacy to the meme...but no one here seems to get that point...two wrongs do not make a right...even if ment as a joke.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Unfortunately the people who need this medicine will not be able to take it. I really despise that "two wrongs" meme, which always surfaces in racial discussions. I think it is a positive if it makes people THINK about issues in a different way. How did Trayvon Martin morph from teenager with tea and candy walking home to thug out to kill poor George? The constant negative publc commentary about black kids surely influenced the opinion of some. I think this author hopes people will think, not just react defensively.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But what it really does is encourage devisivness...those who are racist will see it as an excuse to continue it.
The reason why MLK was successful was because he did not engage in the same behavior he was fighting against...he knew and understood that it is a loser, and so did Gandhi.
You may hate the two wrongs don't make a right saying but it has a basis in fact, and does not heal anything but just picks at the scab.
IMO.
lolly
(3,248 posts)n/t
heaven05
(18,124 posts)"Two wrongs don't make a right". Isn't that precious. How about all the wrongs painted against young black males and black males in particular in just the last year by all MSM, jury's in Sanford Florida and elsewhere? The one you're responding too made a point you're trying to cover up with some pseudo moralistic bullshit that has never been true about amerikkka. It's racist, backward and ignorant culture has perpetrated wrong on the black race since the time when slavery and segregation were the law of the land. By the way, SCOTUS and the rest of the Rand Paul neanderthals are trying to revive those two great amerikkkan institutions. You're ignoring or missing the real point yourself. Gimme a break!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And your rational is that their obvious wrong justifies this acction...which is exactly the reason two wrongs do not make a right or solve anything and continues the conflict.
I don't expect you can see that...much easier to believe I am a racist enabler or an out and out racist myself.
And that is where this conversation is leading, so I am through with it.
it was. No Ghandi, maybe one day you'll see your dream of no wrong. Until then, your idealism ......well I'll say it's somewhat naive. Good luck!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)I know full well I will be dead before this world ever see peace.
Too many people enjoy the conflict.
seriously, I do not enjoy the hate and conflict based on a myriad of reasons. Deep down I applaud you, I guess my cynicism, at 65, has gotten the best of me lately. Go figure. May you stay at peace with your world.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But it don't mean I cannot still dream...in fact really that is all that is left that gives me pleasure.
true. Thanks, maybe there's hope yet.
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)how do we stop the racism, bigotry and racist murders in amerikkka? The SCOTUS and government taking rights, voting and human, away from the citizens? How are we going to stop the corporations from raping and pillaging the land and people in the name of god awful profit? How are we going to stop sectarian violence in Iraq, civil war in Syria except to point it out and keep pointing it out. How are we going to stop people like Bush and cheney's PNAC and Ginny Thomas from instigating racial hate and imperialistic conquest. How do we turn off faux new, rush oxycontinbaugh, beckerhead, o'really, hannitydown racism. How? Concentrate on the goodness in the world and ignore what impacts me personally? You got an answer? Teach it!!!!!
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)yep, on the "turn it off". Don't watch or listen anymore for quite a long while now. Was forced to listen to the oxycontin king at work for a while till everyone with a conscience put their for down. My hannity, oxyking info comes from sites like these. I do not do hate and injustice, I just react to it, sometimes emotionally and what may be deemed by the more civil set here as inappropriately, TM and zimPIG, babies lying torn and dead in the streets of syria, iraq ect come to mind. The only way to ignore, really, is to be in a cave somewhere out in the boonies. Your suggestions, wishadoo, community action for jobs, food, fresh and otherwise, great. Have done some of those things. Don't ever get me wrong, no feeling of helplessness here, just a lot of sadness covered by anger, my way,to deal personally and yes I DO FEEL empathy, sympathy and other peoples pain caused by the injustice and evil in this country and world. That's not, to me, enabling, I call it sharing. Action is possible, and I think I understand that you think local is a start, maybe it will grow to regional, national? Americans unless dragged kicking and screaming to these forums, the 47% who voted for romshit, listen to the oxyking, faux news are for the most part not interested in those, job, school, university 'rap' session in any substantial manner. I look at university bulletins, race, job discussions? Not many at all. Economics, how to gain admission to the 1% club, big time. Dialogue, we're having it so that's a start, here. Everything you say, possible, but not probable in any substantive manner. Small self sustaining enclaves are the only hope, communes as it were, for decent people to survive the coming chaos. Have a good one.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)You seem to be saying that satire can only appear in The Onion. How does that work?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)It's masterful in its own right--whatever the media source.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)racist culture "stirs the shit". Something like this just points out the hypocrisy. Sanford Forida, the state of Floida HAS "STIRRED THE SHIT"! Until O'really?, rush oxycontinbaugh, glenn beckerhead and all the rest of the white hatemongers stop "stirring the shit", things like this post will help by pointing out the hypocrisy of making all blacks thugs when one does run afoul of the law. Yeah youngish white males can and are thuggish and just as bad as any other race. Period. geez
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But no need for me to try to convince anyone here of that...they simply don't care because they get satisfaction from it...and so it will continue.
Geez
erpowers
(9,350 posts)I am fairly certain the author was being sarcastic. The author points out the stupidity and hypocrisy of white politicians painting all black youth with a broad brush and constantly asking black politicians to go talk to black youth (mainly black male youth).
One of the points of the post seems to be to show that "completely, demonstrably false statements such as this" are made about black youth everyday. The statements made in that post are the statements that are made everyday about black youth.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)It is am attempt to make the same idiotic claims about white kids and culture that are routinely made about black kids and culture.
bullwinkle428
(20,630 posts)Race has nothing to do with it. Author is just trying to stir things up.
lolly
(3,248 posts)You mean calling attention to the dangers of over-generalization, then yes, he is.
false because the subjects are white? It's not racist to call a bunch of out of control, entitled white males hooligans and thugs if the description fits their behavior. They're privileged thugs. geez
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Duh..
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I think this posting was some kind of satire. Yet I have been in situations on the beach, in clubs, different musical events, and yes, I have seen bad behavior by young whites. Just human nature. But if the same behavior is observed in young blacks all are smeared with negative stereotype of a racist nature. Just american human nature. Duh.
media has been painting young black males and black males, in general, with that broad brush since before I can remember. AWWWW.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...meant to point out the idiocy of similar statements about American blacks that we see constantly on news programs, in newspapers and magazines. You seem to be taking it totally at face value, and if that is how it was intended by the writer, you might have a point; but I don't think you are engaging in the conversation that the writer intends.
petronius
(26,603 posts)the entire white community, but what are you going to do? When you encounter a random white person, you can't really tell if you're dealing with one of the bad apples or with a good one; common sense requires caution. If white society resents that, too bad - perhaps it will be a wake-up call to take some responsibility...
(And FTR I'm one of the good ones - I hardly ever smash windows or tip porta-potties. Really!)
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Europe...
athenasatanjesus
(859 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)White males between 15 and thirty ARE the #1 audience of gangsta rap. In fact some consider the genre to be a modern form of minstrel shows, with mostly-black performers putting on a caricatured act denigrating to black people, for the enjoyment of a white audience.
Number23
(24,544 posts)The fact that the snark of this OP is flying over so many heads in GD should come as a shock to me. But the only shock is how not shocking that is.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)Did you see my post dowthread? It's interesting that the post you made in the AA group doesn't say anything white kids "fighting for social justice and Nazis." Do you think the author felt some pressure that he wasn't being suitably lauding of white people and put that in so that the criticism didn't seem so strong?
M0rpheus
(885 posts)The gawker article remains the same.
http://gawker.com/video-of-violent-rioting-surfers-shows-white-culture-o-954939719
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Most mainstream rap today is about hitting up clubs and getting drunk and high. The harder, more explicit rap is underground now.
malaise
(269,157 posts)If you dig one ditch you'd better dig two
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I've heard they mix Doritos and Mountain Dew with Milk Duds into something that makes them high.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,923 posts)so I can make fun of them to their face.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)That's not even close to the Huntington Beach I can remember from the days when Gerald Ford was president.
Initech
(100,102 posts)He's just the epitome of the white douchebag young kid.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)as well as drug use, and killing cops, and freely use the word "cracka".
Initech
(100,102 posts)He thinks Anne Frank would have been one of his fans, pees into mop buckets, defaced pictures of former presidents, spits off balconies, drives gaudy sports cars recklessly, and drinks codeine cough syrup. That's all within two months.
npk
(3,660 posts)or Hispanic individual. All of my problems have come from stupid white rednecks who have tried to assault me or threatened to do harm. I have witnessed some nasty, thuggish violence in North Florida and Southern Georgia throughout my life, and it has always been the same people - white idiots. Yet when I watch the news it's never on there or if it is it's buried at the end of the newscast. Unfortunately the news media in this country is all to quick to show the latest gang violence, but rarely ever covers white gangs like the gang that shot up a Vegas Casino not that long ago. It was covered briefly and buried into the rest of the news. Could you have imagined if an African American gang had gone into a casino in Vegas and shot it up, the damn National Guard would have been called.
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)some of those idiotic white trash bastids are my relatives.
Most in prison finally, but it took 20 years for the family name not to be enough to "step out of the car, please, and lie face down with your arms outstretched."
I only wish this were sarcasm or a joke in any way.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)This^^^
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts).... they'll be wearing jeans and Tshirts everywhere, smoking cigarettes, and riding motorcycles!
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)It's a parody of the recent George Will thing, or something like that.
The point is to demonstrate how ridiculous it sounds when you apply the same standards to white people that George Will, O'Reilly, et al., apply to black people.
This parody is hilarious, I love it.
relayerbob
(6,555 posts)Exactly the right question... and I can tell you it was at the latest in the early 1990s. I recall some of the neighbors coddling their kids to unbelievable degrees (one kid would just sit down and cry when he couldn't tie his shoes - at 5!), and now all these years later, I have applicants for jobs (in their late 20s) having their *mothers* call in to tell me how wonderful their child is.
Discipline went out the window along with common sense, and sadly too many of these parents are themselves quite out of control. As an example, some 30s-ish guy tried to pass me on the shoulder so he could get to a corner (and pick up about 10 seconds in his trip), and when the light changed, he pulled up next to me, hollering how he was going to beat me (I'm a nearly 60 year old partially disabled white guy - one punch and he'd be in for murder, most likely), and that I was a "punk"!!!! These kids see this type of behavior and they assume it's correct, especially as they have been given everything their whole lives. Yes, they need jobs, but if they really want jobs? Let them start with the discipline of mowing lawns - they didn't do it at 14, maybe they should get out of Mommy's basement and start now!
Sorry for the rant and hopefully no offense to anyone.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)as soon as the first Porta-Potty was toppled over. At that point it was obvious that things were going to get very ugly indeed.
They_Live
(3,240 posts)they just toppled over all the bathrooms, and they'll probably need them later.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)the income they used to have so both parents have to work long and hard. Their kids are more and more being left to their own devices. I do agree it has gotten worse, and parents are the ones ultimately responsible.
relayerbob
(6,555 posts)Their problems started 18-20 years ago. Plus, frankly, blaming long work hours doesn't cut it to me, as whites have far better job prospects than other ethnic groups. A better excuse is living far beyond their means and spoiling their children, rather than teach them self-control and maybe making do with less. Wonder how many of the kids who rioted have pools in their backyards?
alfredo
(60,075 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)This started 35 years ago or so in the Reagan revolution. Many whites had good factory jobs which disappeared a long time ago. I am not saying that whites have it as bad or worse than minorities, they just have it a lot worse than they used to.
Not familiar with the area, but there have always been spoiled white kids making trouble as well. Everything has gotten worse in the last 35-40 years with the exception of the very rich. Americans work more than the citizens of almost every other industrialized nation during that time span, but it wasn't always the case. I can remember my lower middle class white neighborhood growing up, most of the moms were home with us. I live in an upper middle class neighborhood now and everyone works here!
The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)Seems to have caught some out here, too....
RainDog
(28,784 posts)msongs
(67,441 posts)reusrename
(1,716 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)First off, I agree with the article, and what the author says, but as a white guy, if I were to write an article about the problems in the black community, which there are many, I would be labeled as a racist.
There are tons of problems in the Black community, there are tons of problems in the White community.
BumRushDaShow
(129,454 posts)while the white community protects its own and identical types of "problems" are rarely or never reported in the mass media nor are they discussed or harped on.
We all know that particularly among certain young males in a certain age range, there is a higher incidence of criminal activity. However one community is tarred and feathered for the individuals who participate in such (even though the other 90% are law-abiding, but often caught up into the system by no fault of their own) and the other community is let off scott free, nor are they ever repeatedly told that they, as a group, are to blame for their criminals.
And so the populace gets a skewed view of what is really going on out there and the institutionalization of racism continues.
lolly
(3,248 posts)Get it?
BumRushDaShow
(129,454 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,641 posts)I'm lying, the media sees no interest in showing rich white kids rioting. I doubt they would even use the word "riot" unless there are black people involved. I think white kids do "wilding".
Point well taken.
I was in HB a few years ago and sat on that one rooftop cafe shown in many of the videos. It's a nice place to visit, but I couldn't afford to stay long. Fuck those spoiled brats.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)CNN, for one, has aired it repeatedly in its news coverage, with video of the rioting. You may not have seen it, but if you search you'll find a lot of reports about it in the national MSM.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)A great many of them are working two jobs and fighting not to lose their homes to some asshole bank. Thanks for asking though.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)But we still carry the title of "lazy" and "waiting for our entitlement."
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)deserves to be it's own OP.
Number23
(24,544 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Understand your point, but this wasn't accurate.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)I realize the author of that post is being a little sarcastic, but the things in this article needs to be said more. Especially the stuff about white politicians not lecturing, or being asked to lecture white youth about the errors of their ways. For a few months I have been thinking President Obama should go talk to black young men about violence in the black community when Newt Gringrich, or some other white politician goes to talk to white youth about violence in the white community. I have also thought, President Clinton was applauded for going into the black community and chastising black men for their violent actions; can anyone imagine the outrage if President Obama had the audacity to go before a group of white men a chastise them for their violent behavior. If there were not riots there would be extreme outrage.
Vanje
(9,766 posts)But you are not that hip.
Did you write this 20 years ago? 30 years ago?
The Ramones haven't put out a significant record since, like 1978. Hell they've all been DEAD for a decade (except the drummer, and drummers dont really count.
Anarchy in the UK was a 1976 release: Sex Pistols.
I think it would be hard to find anyone under 25, who could name one Ramones song.
( For the sake of disclosure, I do, in fact listen to old scratchy Ramones records, but I prefer Rancid, Offspring, Minor Threat, NOFX, etc. I sometimes wear baggy pants,.... but I dont think you meant me, because I'm a grey-haired 58, and besides, I wasn't at Huntington Beach that day.)
Just so you know,
The kids music today is really quite nice. Better than its been for years.
Baggies , No. Its skinny pants now.
I wont even argue with the rest of your screed, but will suggest that you dont judge the all by the actions of a very very few.
The kids are alright. There is increased respect for the environment. Increased self respect:Smoking rates among teens is at a record-breaking low. Homophobia and racism are lower than ever before. Liberal ideology is at a high. They're less sexist. They grew up with smart-professional women, and have more respect for women as intelligent equal members of society.
Most of the youngsters are the best generation I've seen yet.
I have great hope for them.
I'm sure there are a few relict juvenile assholes. Please aquaint yourself with the millions who are not.
And for fucksake , don't bother them about their clothes!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Vanje
(9,766 posts)Its satire then.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)it chaps my chops when one does not..
Vanje
(9,766 posts)I mistook it for your writing.
You're plenty hip, after all.
and so, actually, is the article's author. I did not recognize it as parody at first reading.
We read some crazy stuff here, that is dead serious, kind of messes with my parody-meter.
I like the article MUCH better as parody.
BumRushDaShow
(129,454 posts)This is EXACTLY the type of story that is written daily about the black community with the assumption that no such thing happens in the white community. And the white community is never taken to task for the behavior of their "youth".
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 31, 2013, 10:59 AM - Edit history (1)
And by some of the replies
here, they would not like that kind of constant scrutiny.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)But, let's remember that there's always been a fair number of dunderheads, morons, dicks, and even downright despicable persons amongst younger whites as well: for example, look at how many people joined the 3rd incarnation of the KKK in the late 'Teens and 1920s, for example. You also had Southern kids and young men in the 1950s & '60s who harassed blacks & Freedom Riders, and others, on the streets of various towns. And then there were lynch mobs during the "Nadir" of race relations. And need I remind you that the majority of these people grew up in traditionalist, authoritarian, reactionary, etc. households?
And I shouldn't need to remind everybody that a fair number of white kids who fought against injustice in the '60s were often ridiculed, and even disowned, by their own families and communities.
I see where Mr. Diaz is coming from, but I think he approached this from a slightly flawed angle. Just my 2 pennies, that's all.
tblue37
(65,488 posts)Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/Stupid-White-Men-Excuses/dp/006098726X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1375235210&sr=1-1&keywords=stupid+white+men
In it he points out that most of our problems in this country are caused by white men, and that white men cause the most harm to individuals, as well.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)jumptheshadow
(3,269 posts)...and the smoking of banana peels.
Richard D
(8,763 posts)The ones I know are wonderful, open, loving human beings. Perhaps a sub-culture, but there is a lot of them.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)is the word.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)They_Live
(3,240 posts)In these videos I didn't see one policeman. Meanwhile in other parts of the country there's mountains of police in riot gear tazing people singing folk songs.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)Pretending that this is something new with this generation, and blaming the parents is absurd, imho.
This is an American culture issue, but it is not exclusive to this generation, nor to whites.
But I strongly agree that this behavior should NOT be swept under the rug, especially when it is used to strengthen the racist 'argument' that other races are 'out of control'.
It's something that is as old as human time, juveniles can and do make poor decisions, especially when they are under the influence of societies most celebrated inebriate, ALCOHOL.
Thanks for sharing
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)Well, considering all the nonsense you see/hear/read in the M$M these days, it's hard to separate the BS from the ironic anymore.
The onion often gets me, too
paleotn
(17,960 posts)...Whaaa? White kids rioting? Packin' heat? No job? All strung out on drugs? If that's true, why haven't I seen that on O'Reilly? If it ain't on Fox, it can't be true, right?
Funny that my wife has to get on to me every now and then for starting one of those "those damn kids!" rants. Doesn't matter what kids. Just kids in general. Like we never did anything remotely as wild, wacky or downright destructive back in the 70's. Hard working, thrifty, little angels, we were. Guess that officially makes me part of the ole fart set.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I guess someone realized that adding that in made young white people sound more heroic or something.
http://gawker.com/video-of-violent-rioting-surfers-shows-white-culture-o-954939719
7962
(11,841 posts)making it easy to replace 'white" with "black" and get the same point across to the black community.
Because we've all seen those videos too.
Great sarcasm, but it seems asa though only a few noticed.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,966 posts)...because I didn't see this as a problem restricted to one of what people call a "race" simply because they are identified as being members of that "race" (white, in this case). But, therein is the satire.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)agrees 100%
the incivility and lack of basic courtesies among the people I meet of every color makes me sad
Igel
(35,356 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Excellent satire, for sure.
Vanje
(9,766 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,692 posts)It's a proven fact all these white moocher single moms raise kids that end up hoodie wearing gangstas.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Passable social commentary satire. Really though, it dismisses a serious problem that isn't funny.
In trying to highlight racial criticism, it's making light of violence in the black community by making light of violence in the white community. Even knowing his purpose, I didn't find it very amusing when he talks of murder and rapes lightheartedly.
Poor form, whoever wrote that.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)As opposed to crime. It is a bigger problem in the black community than in white communities where bush, cheney, and other criminals live. Seriously...this country is so obsessed with crime that it routinely excuses so-called white collar criminals who are white and do more damage than any gang ever could.
lolly
(3,248 posts)It addresses a different problem.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Away from the current discussion...a common tactic...especially on the subject of race. Maybe race baiters would have some credibility if they talked about white criminals some of the time.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)flamingdem
(39,321 posts)Good looking guy.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)on vacation they are the scurge of Spanish holiday resorts, hooligans at soccer games (football matches) and get horribly drunk at the local pub.
However, sounds like the guys at college too. Here the Greek frats and sororities.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Nothing's. Changed.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Some people agree with O'Reilly. If one more internet asshole tells me to go to school or get a job I have two degrees and 30 years work experience but because I am Black...
progressoid
(49,999 posts)I'll shorten it, but essentially she actually thought it was just a simple matter for Black people to just stop being so angry and get a job.
I showed her statistic after statistic refuting each of her asinine statements. But that just seemed to make her even more determined in her beliefs. Of course, now I'm the bad guy for pointing out the obvious. As a white man, I was supposed to agree with her.
So fast forward to last Saturday and I overheard her talking to someone about this Oreilly rant. They are both proudly nodding in agreement with his bullshit.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Fucking sad, but spot on and brilliant.
Fuck Bill O'Reilly
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)X(
Lunacee_2013
(529 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)But the transient surf/skateboard contingent around there have been idiotic hooligans for decades.
Response to HipChick (Original post)
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PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)arrested is a 30 yr old fireman from the nearby city of Fullerton. WTF.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)An excellent parody of the racism thinly disguised as concern trolling articles directed at African Americans.
Now I don't hate white people, I just don't like the ones that act like this. My white friends agree with me, so I can't be racist.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)cer7711
(502 posts)I laughed my @$$ off at this.
Nicely done, Hip-chick!
Now if we can only get some right-wing talking head to take umbrage at your posting; that should ensure it goes viral . . .
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)supported her every interest in life wholeheartedly, including moving to Nashville, ultimately, to pursue her country music career. My apologies if I'm mixing her up with someone else. This does not apply as an excuse for the behavior of any young "hooligan."
HipChick
(25,485 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)and makes a huge point, which I hope those who NEED to get it, do get it.
Thanks for posting
BrainDrain
(244 posts)seriously?
Try again..that was a FAIL.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Do you really think the author is serious about the problem of white youths rampaging at "horse racing infields, and Ivy League campuses"?
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Doesn't matter what race.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)This is a brilliant thread! If for no other reason, it illustrates the lack of capacity by so many who claim to be clever, have in not understanding, or even realizing satire. That alone is giggle-worthy.
But taking that blind fundy literalism one step farther, their righteous indignation is deliciously inept in itself. A dog barking at the mirror to scare off the intruders...
lolly
(3,248 posts)At the lack of perception.
I guess with all that emphasis on standardized testing, schools these days don't have time to teach concepts like "irony" and "tone."
dead_head
(81 posts)It's the parents of these kids who are letting them listen to violent, self-destructive trash like "Anarchy in the UK" or "Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue"performed loudly by noted conservative rocker Johnny Ramone.
GREAT!
Ah Johnny Ramone, he was as much of a fan of Reagan that I'm of the Ramones. It's sad.R.I.P.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)I thought DU was better than this kind of shit. I guess not.
Change "white" to "black" in the OP, and parody or not, there'd be pizza served.
It's not funny and its not helpful. A lot of posters showed their true colors in this thread, and I have only one thing to say to them: F U.
Bake
lolly
(3,248 posts)And it calls attention to the very problem that seems so upsetting.
And it is funny in the way it does that.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)That is precisely the author's point. This is the kind of analysis and advice offered by commentators on "problems in the black community," problems they claim black leaders are silent about. (See the O'Reilly commentary in the Chris Hayes clip in Post #109 for just one example.)
The author parodies those commentaries, mocking them, by simply taking this event, changing black to white, and plugging it into the 'black problems' commentary formula. It is a device for ridiculing these condescending treatments and exposing them.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)That you may not see it as funny does not deny its humor.
Change white to black in the OP and its not parody, it becomes Fox News, Rush Limabugh and a host of other vapid yet popular mouthpieces.
"A lot of posters showed their true colors in this thread..." Yes. Yes you did...
Bake
(21,977 posts)A lot of posters in this thread just find it freakin' HILARIOUS. I don't. No more than they find Fox News amusing (which I don't).
I'm proud of my true colors. And I've got a helluva sense of humor. Just not about racism. Racism is wrong, and I'm proud to say that out loud. So, yes, yes I did. Apparently you did too.
Bake
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)By reversing the race of derision in this piece, the author highlights just how obnoxious these types of "analysis" really are and hopefully will open more people's eyes to this form of racism.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Wow. Satire. What a concept.
DUH.
Bake
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)Seriously, you came off like the Brits who reacted with outrage at Swift's A Modest Proposal. All he wanted was some baby back ribs man!
hughee99
(16,113 posts)This sounds a lot like someone who has an idealized picture of what young kids were like when they were younger and a poor idea of what young kids are like now.
These kids with their baggy shorts, and their Hollister t-shirts, and their Moby Grape. They're just out of control.
JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)..........I teach in the high school and university levels. I see it in the high school setting more, but in both. Not a year goes by that I don't have to take them down a notch or two, in a socially permissible sense. It is done with wit, with frankness, individually, collectively, whatever a given moment deems necessary. There is a trend, as of late, for an increase in expression of what they offer up as cool. It's not cool, just childish. I liken it to an epidemic of arrested development. Even the females are beginning to get in on the action. Mind you, I'm a 59 year old white guy from the south, I know delayed development when I see it. I am pleased that this is being discussed on a national level now, about time.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)The "self-destructive trash like 'Anarchy in the UK'" was written and performed by the Sex Pistols, not the Ramones, in 1976, watched by the grandparents of this generation:
The song "Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue" was written by Dee Dee Ramone in 1975.
And let me say something else: I saw the 1970s. I have worked with people from that era my whole life. I have friends born in the 1960s who have never read a book in their lives, who still won't go on the Internet because they prefer the thoughtless safety of television--and because they are functionally illiterate. And those morons? They never even knew who the Sex Pistols were (like the author of this opinion piece), much less saw them.
Compare that to the most indolent hood of today--what is that kid doing? He's reading and writing--albeit in that annoying text-lish--all day long, preferring to go to great and inefficient lengths to communicate by writing rather than simply talk on the phone as their grandparents would have. He's listening to whatever he wants to listen to, rather than being force-fed payola-driven disco over a shitty FM radio. He's reading maps, which his grandparents are notoriously inept at doing (in the 1970s, the US Army concluded that one out of three officers could not be taught how to read a map). He is utilizing vast and powerful social networks and news sources to inform himself--totally different from the alcohol-fueled basement conversations that informed the Americans of the '70s.
I'll take these kids over the coke-addled Leave-it-to-Beaver couch potatoes of the 1970s any day at all. I strongly suspect this article was actually written by one of the latter.
Second Edit: Awwww, looks like I got punked!
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)Pamela Stephenson and the late, great Mel Smith.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)The problem with these rotten cracka's is they have been spoiled by white privlige!
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)I suspect drinking was a big part of the problem here. Also, it appears there are a number of Hispanics also participating in this rampage. Too bad this video didn't show the stores being broken into and the bicycles being stolen.
While alcohol helps release the emotions those emotions already exist and only need a little boost to escalate as happened here. But this helps point out something I have long contended; that this kind of behavior is a class issue and not a race issue and is rooted in the high rate of unemployment with young people, which is now spreading into the white community with predicted consequences. I have some problem with the blame the victim tone of this article while overlooking the cause (lack of jobs) and the fact that this is a class issue rather than a race issue.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,049 posts)Violence and "Hooliganism" is unacceptable for any age, but has there been a dramatic increase in violence rates by white youths? All youths? No and no. In fact the opposite has occurred.
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/youthviolence/stats_at-a_glance/hr_trends_race.html
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And for your next trick, you should deconstruct the veracity and accuracy of John Stewart, Bill Hicks, and Mark Twain.
Half my brain laughs loudly at those who lack the wit or the depth to grasp, or even recognize satire, the other half quietly weeps for them...
(Just in case you didn't know, "Satire is a genre of literature in which vices and shortcomings are held up to ridicule. Although satire is usually meant to be funny, its greater purpose is often constructive social criticism, using wit as a weapon. A common feature of satire is strong irony or sarcasm, but parody, exaggeration, juxtaposition, comparison, analogy, and double entendre are all frequently used in satirical speech and writing..."
Hope that helps!!!
ThoughtCriminal
(14,049 posts)"Dr Strangelove" was satire. "Network" was satire. This fails completely.
joshguitar
(168 posts)Every generation thinks the next one is the last one
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)One is a straight-A student, the other is a two-sport athlete. Neither would hurt a fly.
Dangerous kids, those two.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)some of these comments correctly?
We have Alcohol, illicit drugs and prescription drugs to explain these kids behavior
Dont you think that supports what the OP was getting at? Black folks just being Black (i.e., just walking down the street, trying to shop, trying to catch a cab) = innate criminality; white folks' criminality = pharmacology.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)Apparently, this article is "demonstrably false" shit stirring, that shouldn't be said because racists will be offended.
What Bill'O said... well that's just social commentary.
*wonders for the 5 millionth time, why I waste my time in GD.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It feels so damned good when we leave the insanity posted in it?
M0rpheus
(885 posts)But, damn... why does it have to be so hard?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)1. "In the 1940s, young American whites fought Nazis." - yes, because the military was not integrated
2. "In the late '60s, they fought injustice". - The fought to not go to Vietnam and the military integrated and drafted young black men and sent 20 thousand of them to give their lives for country that wouldn't let them vote for President
3. Now, many have become selfish idiotic thugs with no culture, morals or any other mission but drinking and mayhem. Why are parents and politicians tolerating these violent imbeciles? - first of all its called "your 20's you're in college and stupid is what you do" and all they have is culture - pop culture
4. A frightening and violent mob swept through the normally quiet seaside community of Huntington Beach last night following a surfing competition in the area. Businesses were vandalized and looted, portable toilets overturned, and brutal fistfights waged right out in the open. - a bit overstated. it certainly wasn't hammers and chains and barely mischief. they knocked over a couple after several timid attempts and runs
5. It was an ugly display and a sad day for California. - and this is where it begins to go off the rails. This day is hardly California's worst day. It might be Huntington Beach's worst (where the median home price is $650,000), but even then it's a birthday party compared to a Patriots super bowl win.
6. But more than that, it was a reminder that we must begin to seriously consider the values of our thuggish white youth. - which where story reveals itself. Which i'll elaborate more later, but first what was is the mystery to a thugs values?
7. "Many people don't want to hear this kind of tough love, of course. They'd like to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that all white children are as sweet and harmless as Taylor Swift." - I presume the writer means "many white people..." nuff said
8. But the reality is that the statistics tell a different story. For instance, according to research from the Department of Justice, 84 percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people . -
yes, and predominately black people are killed by black people, but that argument is just a ruse for the reader. what the writer is trying to pass off is a similar number of whites are killed by whites and the same for blacks, which tell a much different story. Its like when republicans say the US gives the most aid to fight poverty in the world. Which is true. the USA gives the most dollars. but it's also true we give the least percent GDP, so one could say we give the least amount. Most dollars, least amount. both sound the same, both, frankly are right. Numbers have a way telling almost any story.
9. Similarly, white rape victims tend to be raped by other whites . - sexual predators tend to hunt within their own race. so again another straw man argument
End Part 1
leftyladyfrommo
(18,870 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I think that the problem with this is that it simply changes the nouns, thus becoming as offensive as the cultural and social framework it is intending to criticize.
The author was aiming for right between the eyes, and hit his target. I think it's clumsy.
lynne
(3,118 posts)- to the point that I refused to read any further. From first paragraph - "Now, many have become selfish and idiotic thugs with no culture, morals or any other mission but drinking and mayhem." "Many"? Simply not true. The great majority of young adults that I know aren't hooligans or thugs and that includes youth of all races. As I have three young adult children, I know quite a few of their friends. Not a hooligan or thug of any color, creed, or race in the bunch.
Sure, there are hooligans and thugs of all races but they're in the minority. I refuse to click on the link of such a slanted and erroneous article that has no basis in either truth or fact.