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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:48 PM Jul 2013

Troglodyte Republicon "HEARTS" Bradley Manning, proposes a national holiday

Why are neanderthals like Chuck Grassley, longtime GOP Senator from Iowa, so fond of "whistleblowers" like Manning that they're proposing a holiday to honor them?

Senator proposes National Whistleblower Day on same date as Manning verdict
RT | Published time: July 30, 2013 18:57


'Patron saint of whistleblowers' US Senator Chuck Grassley, R-IA

The idea might not win approval with the rest of the Senate, but Republican lawmaker Chuck Grassley has put in a resolution for a new commemorative holiday for the United States – National Whistleblower Appreciation Day.

"Anything we can do to uphold whistleblowers and their protection is the right thing to keep government responsible," said Grassley, who is famous for personally aiding whistleblowers in their battles against rule-breaking officials. "If you know laws are being violated and money's being misspent, you have a patriotic duty to report it."

The choice of 30 July, the date suggested in the proposal, made jointly with Democratic Senator Carl Levin, is not accidental. It marks the 235th anniversary of what was one of the earliest whistleblowing regulations implemented anywhere – by the Founding Fathers in the Continental Congress in the midst of the Revolutionary War.

It is the duty of all persons in the service of the United States, as well as all other the inhabitants thereof, to give the earliest information to Congress or other proper authority of any misconduct, frauds or misdemeanors committed by any officers or persons in the service of these states, which may come to their knowledge,” said the bill, resolved on July 30, 1778.

http://rt.com/usa/chuck-grassley-whistleblower-day-809/


note to Grassley: The UK Guardian does not constitute "a proper authority." Neither does Julian Assange, and neither does Glenn Greenwald.
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Troglodyte Republicon "HEARTS" Bradley Manning, proposes a national holiday (Original Post) ucrdem Jul 2013 OP
Isn't guilt by association fun? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #1
I wouldn't call it fun exactly, but I wouldn't call it coincidental either. ucrdem Jul 2013 #2
Chuck Grassley supports Bradley Manning. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #4
"Pares cum paribus facillimē congregantur." ucrdem Jul 2013 #18
Yeah, means the same thing. Guilt by association. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #21
Actually it means pairs are most easily joined with pairs. ucrdem Jul 2013 #24
Yes, it absolutely is relevant. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #27
I dunno, why don't the Cheney Dems explain it for us. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #3
Cheney Dems RetroLounge Jul 2013 #8
they seem strangely silent in this thread so far quinnox Jul 2013 #26
Nice smear against Carl Levin, while you were at it. MNBrewer Jul 2013 #5
Grassley called Obama stupid in a tweet to his constitutents. ucrdem Jul 2013 #7
This resolution that upsets you so much is co-sponsored by Levin MNBrewer Jul 2013 #11
And this post is about Senator Grassley. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #19
And this thread is about what we want it to be. SMC22307 Jul 2013 #22
+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #28
your quoted material was also about Sen. Levin. MNBrewer Jul 2013 #23
Now THAT would be guilt by association. But we're better than that. ucrdem Jul 2013 #25
Why would a fine, upstanding Democrat like Levin go in with a "Troglodyte Republicon" on anything MNBrewer Jul 2013 #29
What do they have to be guilty about? SMC22307 Jul 2013 #30
That is exactly what the question in the OP goes to. ucrdem Jul 2013 #31
this whole thing has created strange coalitions functioning_cog Jul 2013 #6
"made jointly with Democratic Senator Carl Levin" quinnox Jul 2013 #9
I guess Carl Levin called Obama stupid too! NuclearDem Jul 2013 #10
I'm guessing that Carl Levin never loved him Autumn Jul 2013 #13
That racist troglodyte! NuclearDem Jul 2013 #15
I'm just pleased that the OP is taken from RT.com quinnox Jul 2013 #14
Yay! We can throw in a Putin/Snowden reference too! NuclearDem Jul 2013 #16
It does look like rt.com has been given the seal of approval by the anti-Snowden crowd quinnox Jul 2013 #17
When "a proper authority" is not allowed to discuss it because it's classified Autumn Jul 2013 #12
The 1778 regulation doesn't say anything about discussion. ucrdem Jul 2013 #20
I think the founding fathers in their wildest nightmares, never envisioned Autumn Jul 2013 #32

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
2. I wouldn't call it fun exactly, but I wouldn't call it coincidental either.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:20 PM
Jul 2013

It seems there's a correlation between ODS and post-2008 "whistleblowing" that crosses partly lines. Here's Grassley calling Obama stupid in April 2012, for example:

Senator outs Obama over Twitter as "stupid"
RT | Published time: April 09, 2012 15:44



Responding to the president’s comments from last week, Senator Grassley told his Twitter followers over the weekend that the citizens that Obama was elected to represent have a bit more know-how than their own leader.

“Constituents askd why i am not outraged at PresO attack on supreme court independence. Bcause Am ppl r not stupid as this x prof of con law,” Grassley tweeted on Saturday.

http://rt.com/usa/grassley-obama-twitter-stupid-612/

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
4. Chuck Grassley supports Bradley Manning.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:29 PM
Jul 2013

Therefore, if you support Bradley Manning, you support Chuck Grassley!

Chuck Grassley called Obama stupid and supports Bradley Manning.

Therefore, if you support Bradley Manning, you called Obama stupid!

Brilliant.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
18. "Pares cum paribus facillimē congregantur."
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:55 PM
Jul 2013

Tthat better? Basically means the same thing. Usually translated as "birds of a feather flock together."

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
21. Yeah, means the same thing. Guilt by association.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:10 AM
Jul 2013

Pretty it up with a parable all you want, you're still trying to attribute the disgust we have for Grassley to Manning. That's the definition of the association fallacy.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
24. Actually it means pairs are most easily joined with pairs.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:17 AM
Jul 2013

"Guilt by association" isn't really relevant because no one is accusing Grassley of Manning's crimes. It's also a really bad translation.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
27. Yes, it absolutely is relevant.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:23 AM
Jul 2013

Group A makes claim C.

Evil, evil Group B makes claim C.

Therefore, Group A agrees with evil, evil Group B.

So, again:

Some DUers support Bradley Manning.

Evil, evil Chuck Grassley supports Bradley Manning.

Therefore, some DUers are in league with Chuck Grassley.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
7. Grassley called Obama stupid in a tweet to his constitutents.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:33 PM
Jul 2013

To my knowledge Levin didn't, and this thread is not about Levin.

SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
22. And this thread is about what we want it to be.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jul 2013

Post childish, manipulative bullshit, expect pushback.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
29. Why would a fine, upstanding Democrat like Levin go in with a "Troglodyte Republicon" on anything
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:29 AM
Jul 2013

if it wasn't a good idea?

But go ahead, smear smear smear.

SMC22307

(8,088 posts)
30. What do they have to be guilty about?
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:36 AM
Jul 2013

They're right on this:

"Anything we can do to uphold whistleblowers and their protection is the right thing to keep government responsible," said Grassley, who is famous for personally aiding whistleblowers in their battles against rule-breaking officials. "If you know laws are being violated and money's being misspent, you have a patriotic duty to report it."

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
31. That is exactly what the question in the OP goes to.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:54 AM
Jul 2013

I have no doubt that Senator Levin's reasons are entirely worthy, and I am equally confident that Grassley's motives, like Manning's, Snowden's, Greenwald's, and Assange's, are not.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
9. "made jointly with Democratic Senator Carl Levin"
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:38 PM
Jul 2013

Hmm, odd that you didn't highlight that part in bold.

It is a very good idea, hopefully it passes into law.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
14. I'm just pleased that the OP is taken from RT.com
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:46 PM
Jul 2013

If they are checking that fine news site out, there may be hope for them yet! (In other threads I have seen, RT.com was disparaged by the "usual suspects&quot

Autumn

(44,744 posts)
12. When "a proper authority" is not allowed to discuss it because it's classified
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:42 PM
Jul 2013

who the hell else can you got to?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
20. The 1778 regulation doesn't say anything about discussion.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:08 AM
Jul 2013

It just says information of misconduct should be given to "Congress or a proper authority":

It is the duty of all persons in the service of the United States, as well as all other the inhabitants thereof, to give the earliest information to Congress or other proper authority of any misconduct, frauds or misdemeanors committed by any officers or persons in the service of these states, which may come to their knowledge,” said the bill, resolved on July 30, 1778.


This raises the question of just what Manning thought he was doing, and why, and those questions don't have sympathy-inspiring answers.

Autumn

(44,744 posts)
32. I think the founding fathers in their wildest nightmares, never envisioned
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 09:57 AM
Jul 2013

a Congress as dysfunctional as the one we have. It just doesn't work .

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