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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:00 PM Jul 2013

Obama Tells Republicans To SHOVE IT As He Implements His Agenda WITHOUT THEM





President Obama is done caring about what congressional Republicans think. The president is meeting with Democrats in order to implement his agenda without them.


With the clock running on Obama’s time in office — he’s even started marking the number of days left in public speeches — the president is done caring about congressional Republicans calling him a dictator. Or calling him at all.

And he’s used the executive authority tactic before, including last summer’s controversial move to cut deportations for younger illegal immigrants and the mental health focus he announced as part of his gun control agenda after the Newtown massacre.

But administration officials and advisers say what’s ahead will be more extensive and frequent than previous efforts, and the White House is on the hunt for anything that can move without congressional approval, including encouraging efforts like Attorney General Eric Holder’s lawsuits to find new avenues of enforcement in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision on the Voting Rights Act last month.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/04/08/congress-follow-obamas-lead-give-salaries-struggling.html



In short, the president is telling Republicans to take their obstruction, shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. Nothing enrages obstructionist congressional Republicans more than Obama working around them. The power to obstruct is only power that Republicans have left. John Boehner’s office has already been howling about a presidential power grab on every issue, but this is nothing different from what the Speaker has been saying for more than two years.


Republicans have no one but themselves to blame for their current plight. They could have had a grand bargain on the taxes, the debt, and deficit. They could have worked with the president to modify Obamacare. They could have had a hand in immigration, but each time that the president offered cooperation and compromise, they said no. Republicans have said no so often that President Obama’s only choice is to implement as much of his agenda as possible through executive action.


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http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/31/obama-tells-congress-shove-implements-agenda.html
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Obama Tells Republicans To SHOVE IT As He Implements His Agenda WITHOUT THEM (Original Post) Segami Jul 2013 OP
Well, I will be watching for this! djean111 Jul 2013 #1
Neither am I.....the proof will be in the pudding put forth. Segami Jul 2013 #2
We've heard Obama's 'Talk The Talk'.... Segami Jul 2013 #7
Yes, this sounds wonderful, but let's see the action taken before celebrating too much. lark Jul 2013 #58
Agreed. I'm tired of getting my hopes up and then being disappointed. (nt) Paladin Jul 2013 #3
Obama needs to use his powers Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #82
+1 million n/t n2doc Jul 2013 #17
gOBAMA! Chipper Chat Jul 2013 #4
You beat me to it! thecrow Jul 2013 #6
And? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #5
Oh Gawd. Is he gonna push his chained CPI now? leftstreet Jul 2013 #8
He's also gonna eat a kitten on live television. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #19
Is that all you got? Wilms Jul 2013 #65
Worse he is going to speak harshly to the REpublicans. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #68
And Larry Summers for Fed chair? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #29
I don't think he ever stopped pushing it. It's why I'll never trust him. forestpath Jul 2013 #37
Despite the fact that he has never "pushed it" at all. That is a myth. tridim Jul 2013 #53
Yep but many got a different memo...... 4bucksagallon Jul 2013 #74
Obama's use of Chained CPI as a BARGAINING CHIP is unforgiveable. And it has NOT been dropped. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #84
Holder's action on voting rights in Texas is a very big deal and I thank him and the president nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #9
Good, it's about time. Now he can seize the moment we are currently in the middle of and end the NSA sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #10
"The president is meeting with Democrats in order to implement his agenda without them" AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #11
Let's see some Executive Orders... 4_TN_TITANS Jul 2013 #12
The link within the quote box is interesting too. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2013 #13
I smell Larry at teh Fed. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #14
You smell Larry at the Fed? There's a smell, but it ain't Larry Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #20
Read this. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #24
From the first paragraph of the article: Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #27
The article merely quotes a lawmaker who attended the event. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #45
Well Wall Street Actually doesn't want Summers. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #47
I guess most of us can agree then that he would be a bad choice. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #62
^^^^ LordGlenconner Jul 2013 #26
Gag. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #32
As always, hoping for the best. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #15
The truth is the Republicans are reflexively opposed to ANYTHING Obama proposes BREMPRO Jul 2013 #16
Agree except "shrinking base". Goddamn teabaggers are everywhere and control Congress now. AlinPA Jul 2013 #30
The Republicans have never been opposed to his adoption of Republicans for his Administration. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Jul 2013 #54
Nixon created the DEA by Executive Order formercia Jul 2013 #18
Again? nt matthews Jul 2013 #21
It's about damn time! another_liberal Jul 2013 #22
In that same meeting he vociferously defended Larry Summers. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #23
+1000 Siding with Summers shows JUST how much Obama cares about the 99%. forestpath Jul 2013 #35
Well alrighty then! RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #25
Someone needs to take them out and shove them off the cliff liberal N proud Jul 2013 #28
Not all of them SwankyXomb Jul 2013 #57
We would be better off to clean house literally and start over liberal N proud Jul 2013 #59
Action Speaks - Let's See The Follow Through cantbeserious Jul 2013 #31
Yes! Get mad! Rex Jul 2013 #33
Anyone who believes this should get prepared for Larry Summers at the Fed, a signing of the TPP, AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #34
BINGO. forestpath Jul 2013 #39
I will believe it when I see it. Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #38
As of today, my 'bullshit meter' exploded... Segami Jul 2013 #43
I wondered what that was... Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #56
That site gives me seizures Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #40
Is this satire? d_r Jul 2013 #41
It must be. But I missed it. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #44
at first, I thought this was an Onion headline 0rganism Jul 2013 #42
More of this please damnedifIknow Jul 2013 #46
Not getting my hopes up Android3.14 Jul 2013 #48
It is called CREATING LEVERAGE BlueStreak Jul 2013 #49
Time for Dems to practice Ayn Rand's motto-->"Who's going to stop us?" Goo Obama!!!! hue Jul 2013 #50
I'll believe it ut oh Jul 2013 #51
Time for him to really give it to Boehn-head ... napkinz Jul 2013 #52
It's better to get there late than not at all MyOpinion-2 Jul 2013 #55
Make them defend the indefensible DearAbby Jul 2013 #60
How will we feel when we get a Democratic majority in the House and a Republican president? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #61
if he actually told Repukes to shove it, I'd be impressed burnodo Jul 2013 #63
Other Consequences Too DallasNE Jul 2013 #64
Thanks. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #66
K&R felix_numinous Jul 2013 #67
I'll believe it when I see it. 99Forever Jul 2013 #69
Still time to salvage his presidency and the mid-terms and the party Doctor_J Jul 2013 #70
I agree... Drunken Irishman Jul 2013 #77
Like many here, I want to see some hardball Lifelong Protester Jul 2013 #71
If the President gets mad enough at Republicans, he might even quit nominating them for high-level indepat Jul 2013 #72
sweet n/t flamingdem Jul 2013 #73
This would have gotten me incredibly excited.. years ago. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #75
Yeah, if he'd fought them in 2009-2010, we'd still have a (D) Congress Doctor_J Aug 2013 #89
No, IrishAyes Aug 2013 #92
why would indies and new voters bother to vote just because Doctor_J Aug 2013 #95
Well, I'm as well known by my enemies as by my friends IrishAyes Aug 2013 #96
I'm so glad PBO is giving the white sheets underthematrix Jul 2013 #76
wait, i thought there was nothing he could do without the republicans? hasnt yhat been the song for HiPointDem Aug 2013 #78
Well I hope so. Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2013 #79
Interesting. Fingers crossed! nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #80
My guess is that he knows they're planning to defund ACA if they win the Senate in 2014 ucrdem Aug 2013 #81
President Obama has been trying, alas during his first term akbacchus_BC Aug 2013 #83
The place to defeat obstruction is Fall 2014 election. Obama needs a majority Congress for 2 yrs. Coyotl Aug 2013 #85
Been there. Done that. Doctor_J Aug 2013 #88
Gee, what's the hurry? He's only been president for 5-1/2 years! MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #86
Show some backbone and the rest of us will be there Generic Other Aug 2013 #87
K&R Raffi Ella Aug 2013 #90
When they scream austerity ... Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #91
The President should shove a hot poker up the ass of every republican House member. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #93
does that mean we don't have to reconsider cherished priorities? liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #94
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
7. We've heard Obama's 'Talk The Talk'....
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jul 2013

...Now lets see if he's prepared to 'Walk The Walk' and go to the wall on Democratic issues.

In the meantime.....

lark

(23,097 posts)
58. Yes, this sounds wonderful, but let's see the action taken before celebrating too much.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:20 PM
Jul 2013

Just yesterday I saw a report that the administration was once again negotiating with Republicans on a "grand bargain" that would decrease corporate tax rates (how do you get less than 0%?) in return for infrastructure spending (that will never be approved).

As you said - in the meantime - enjoy the show

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
68. Worse he is going to speak harshly to the REpublicans.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 07:43 PM
Jul 2013

Well he says he is. It's just rhetoric until we see results.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
53. Despite the fact that he has never "pushed it" at all. That is a myth.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:03 PM
Jul 2013

It was offered early as a bluff/bargaining chip, then immediately rejected by the GOP (as predicted by many smart DU'ers) and dropped.

4bucksagallon

(975 posts)
74. Yep but many got a different memo......
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:23 PM
Jul 2013

and fell for it, and tried like hell to push it as a fact, just like something you would expect from Fox Snooze.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. Good, it's about time. Now he can seize the moment we are currently in the middle of and end the NSA
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jul 2013

and Private Security Contractor's abuse of the Constitutional Rights of Americans.

We are always told that he can't get anything done because of Republican Obstructionism. Well, he can get cooperation from Republicans on ridding this country, as he promised, of these abusive Bush policies by supporting the next bill coming up to reign in the NSA and the rest of our 'security' apparatus.

The last bill lost by a very narrow margin and it had bi-partisan support. All that is needed now, with this new found commitment to ignore Republicans when they try to obstruct his policies, is to start putting it into effect by encouraging his own Party to vote for the elimination of the spying on Americans programs.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
11. "The president is meeting with Democrats in order to implement his agenda without them"
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:36 PM
Jul 2013

Please be true, please, please, please, please!!

I was reading yesterday about two 'grand bargains' he is supposedly working on. No more fucking bargains!! America gets burned EVERYTIME!!

Buns_of_Fire

(17,175 posts)
13. The link within the quote box is interesting too.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:38 PM
Jul 2013

It leads to an article about how the poor babies in Congress are struggling to make ends meet on only $174k/year, so they're not willing to give up even 5% of their salary.

As far as the President giving Congress the Fickle Finger of Fate, good for him -- if he'll follow through with it. I know he can only do so much with Executive Orders (and the next president can reverse them, anyway), but I really hope they've been slipping spinach into the White House soup, and he can't stands no more...

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
27. From the first paragraph of the article:
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jul 2013
he’s nowhere near making a decision on who will be the next Federal Reserve chairman

Although I got to give it to you, the title of that article is hysterical.

"Full-throated" defense?

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
45. The article merely quotes a lawmaker who attended the event.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:44 PM
Jul 2013

Nobody is alleging that he has made a decision. But his strong defense of Summers as described by sources who attended the meeting is troubling. He shouldn't even be considering a tool of Wall Street such as Summers.

BREMPRO

(2,331 posts)
16. The truth is the Republicans are reflexively opposed to ANYTHING Obama proposes
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jul 2013

They would sacrifice the well being of the country and the American people to support their shrinking base and wealthy contributors.. It's a losing battle and It's a stupid posture to continue to try to hobble the economy for perceived political gain. They lose in the long run, branded as vindictive and grumpy contrarians, rather than partners in success.

Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #36)

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
22. It's about damn time!
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jul 2013

If the President had been listening to me, he would have reached the same conclusion half way through his first one hundred days in office.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
23. In that same meeting he vociferously defended Larry Summers.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:18 PM
Jul 2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/31/larry-summers-obama_n_3682908.html

President Barack Obama gave a "full-throated defense" of Larry Summers in a closed meeting with House Democrats Wednesday, according to a lawmaker in the room, but said he’s nowhere near making a decision on who will be the next Federal Reserve chairman.

During Wednesday’s meeting, one Democratic lawmaker, who requested anonymity, said the president became agitated and rose to Summers’ defense in response to Rep. Ed Perlmutter (D-Colo.) walking up to the microphone and simply saying, "Larry Summers. Bad Choice."

Summers is the wrong choice for Fed Chairman. If he nominates Summers he will ahve sided with Wall Stret against the best interests of the American people.
 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
25. Well alrighty then!
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:26 PM
Jul 2013

Get on with it, Mr. President.
We've only been waiting about four and half years for you to do this...

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
57. Not all of them
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:20 PM
Jul 2013

If he rounds them all up and then graphically "eliminates" a few of the more recalcitrant ones, the rest should fall in line. "Pour encourager les autres" as it were.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
34. Anyone who believes this should get prepared for Larry Summers at the Fed, a signing of the TPP,
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jul 2013

a continuation of the policy to have the NSA to spy upon all of us, prosecution of whistle-blowers, more governmental violence against protestors, more electronic voting machines, ...

Some say that he is a good speaker.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
38. I will believe it when I see it.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:40 PM
Jul 2013

I trusted Mr. Obama in 2008. Then in 2012 I thought that in his second term he'd play hardball with the GOP. So far I haven't see that much change. Right down to the spying on Americans! No New Deal, just more of the same old shit. More trade deals in the works that will "fast track" even less American jobs. So, I'll believe what I see Mr. President.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
49. It is called CREATING LEVERAGE
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jul 2013

He should have been doing this from day 1. The POTUS has an enormous amount of power. I can't believe how many people there are on this site who don't understand that. Basically the President doesn't really have to do anything the law says. Most Presidents make at least some effort to show some courtesy to Congress and their laws, but Congress doesn't really have control over anything.

I mean, look at the law that says we can't fund any country that has a military coup. No problem, the President simply refuses to notice that a military coup happened in Egypt.

This is how you get Congress to come to the table. You let them know you are prepared to completely disregard them and ignore their wishes entirely -- and the only way they can get a better deal is to come to the table hat in hand.

This is how it is done. This is how it is always done by Presidents that understand to power of the Presidency.

Yes, there are a few things that Congress can actually do. They can set the tax rates -- the President cannot do that unilaterally. But the president can order extremely aggressive IRS enforcement on parts of the code that the GOP doesn't like -- and use that as a bargaining chip.

Really, the only check on these things is impeachment. And quite frankly, the Democratic Party would be in a FAR, FAR stronger position if the GOP seriously tried impeachment. The public hates that crap. We saw that Wisconsin came to Walker's defense when they felt the idea of a recall was unfair. The public would overwhelmingly support Obama AND DEMOCRATS IN GENERAL if the GOP tries another go at impeachment.

In fact, that should be Obama's goal. Provoke the GOP into doing something really stupid.

MyOpinion-2

(54 posts)
55. It's better to get there late than not at all
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:08 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Wed Jul 31, 2013, 03:20 PM - Edit history (1)

Coming through the forest isn’t always easy to do; it's better to get there late than not at all. I salute the President for moving forward and leaving the do nothing-GOP behind.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
60. Make them defend the indefensible
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:30 PM
Jul 2013

He is not giving up. Obama will not be a mediocre President. He is going town to town, laying it all out. Pushing the Republicans up against that brick wall, like in Animal house.

When can the Republicans say Yes to anything Obama? How many people are they willing to hurt just to get at Obama? Is this like locking the doors when you see Obama Coming?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
61. How will we feel when we get a Democratic majority in the House and a Republican president?
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jul 2013

What if the Republican does all kinds of things using the executive privilege?

This is not the idea of constitutional government and the balance of powers.

Prosecuting voting rights under constitutional protections -- maybe, but this has to be done very carefully.

It's us to us, active Democrats, to put more Democrats into the House. Door to door, supermarket to supermarket, sidewalk to sidewalk, computer to computer.

Obama should focus on getting the NSA and the banks under control, and we should be out there working to get Democrats elected.

Kind of hard to persuade people to vote when they see what a bank like Bank of America is doing to them.

They are charging people fees to keep their money in small savings accounts. Obama should be doing more about bank regulation and encouraging people to save rather than gathering metadata via the NSA.

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
63. if he actually told Repukes to shove it, I'd be impressed
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jul 2013

but he didn't, and he won't, so I'm not

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
64. Other Consequences Too
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 03:36 PM
Jul 2013

For instance, I think Obama would have approved the Keystone XL pipeline had Republicans budged in some other areas but right now I think Keystone XL is dead on arrival. Why else would Obama have singled out for scorn the "45 permanent jobs" that Keystone would create. Of course, all of the recent spill problems up in Canada provide some backside cover as well where the most recent one is problematic. They used steam under pressure to crack the rocks and release the oil and now oil is seeping to the surface from those cracks and after 10 weeks they still don't know how to stop it because they don't know how to relieve the pressure driving the oil to the surface. The "good" news is using steam under pressure cracked the rocks to release the oil worked as planned and the bad news is using steam under pressure cracked the rocks to release the oil worked as planned. Nobody can reasonably say that this was not a known risk and the Canadian government shares the blame for not having better oversight on the risk assessment of this project.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
69. I'll believe it when I see it.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 07:49 PM
Jul 2013

I don't think he'll do squat, but nothing would make me happier that being wrong. I won't hold my waiting, that's for damn sure.


Talk's cheap.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
70. Still time to salvage his presidency and the mid-terms and the party
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 10:13 PM
Jul 2013

if he really digs in and fights for the next year. Please, make it so. Wake up all of those 2008 voters.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
77. I agree...
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:58 PM
Jul 2013

2014 is when we turn things around again. Win control of the House and if Obama doesn't advance a more progressive agenda, then attack. But right now? It doesn't matter what his agenda is, without a Democratic congress, it's pointless.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
71. Like many here, I want to see some hardball
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 10:31 PM
Jul 2013

enough of this nicey-nicey crap-look where that's gotten us.


I know, I know, it is to be believed when seen. But I am an optimist. Let's roll!

indepat

(20,899 posts)
72. If the President gets mad enough at Republicans, he might even quit nominating them for high-level
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 10:56 PM
Jul 2013

positions in his administration.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
92. No,
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 07:59 PM
Aug 2013

We'd still have a fully Democratic Congress if the lazy, whiney voters got off their ass in numbers large enough to elect a (D) Congress! What's next, blame the weather on the President?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
95. why would indies and new voters bother to vote just because
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:27 PM
Aug 2013

someone calls himself a dem? They flocked to the polls in 2008 because Obama promised change. They stayed home in 2010 because the 2008 campaign was a bunch of bullshit. Obama and 90% of the dc dems are whores for the same criminals who service the republicans. If you don't think that Obama's abandonment of his campaign platform was responsible for the midterm disaster, you're suffering from koolaid poisoning, and a major contributor to the demise of the party.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
96. Well, I'm as well known by my enemies as by my friends
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:32 PM
Aug 2013

And I know which one you are. You have zero credibility with me. Thanks for your input anyway. If no one attacks, I'm not doing enough.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
76. I'm so glad PBO is giving the white sheets
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jul 2013

the BIG PHUCK U!! they deserve. The biggest puzzle is why peeps continue to vote the white sheets into the House and Senate.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
78. wait, i thought there was nothing he could do without the republicans? hasnt yhat been the song for
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:00 AM
Aug 2013

the last 5 years?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
81. My guess is that he knows they're planning to defund ACA if they win the Senate in 2014
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:10 AM
Aug 2013

and he'd rather they didn't. So would I.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
83. President Obama has been trying, alas during his first term
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:15 AM
Aug 2013

the GOP was not working with him. They screwed him over all the time yet he kept trying being bi partisan.

Hope he now realises that the GOP is not his friend and he will go ahead and do what he said he would do during his campaign. I wish him all the best. I am sure it is not easy for him especially when some democracts votes with republicans. This is his second term and if he closes Gitmo with an executive order, so be it!

I hope another republican never gain office for the forseeable future!

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
85. The place to defeat obstruction is Fall 2014 election. Obama needs a majority Congress for 2 yrs.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:21 AM
Aug 2013
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
88. Been there. Done that.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 08:32 AM
Aug 2013

2009-2010. He still has to lead the resistance, instead of appeasing. And if you mean he has to have 65 (D) Senators, it isn't going to happen, so that statement means you've given up.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
91. When they scream austerity ...
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 01:39 PM
Aug 2013

... our first question should be, "Can we start by cutting your pay?" That should shut them up. Oh, they have no shame, I forgot.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
93. The President should shove a hot poker up the ass of every republican House member.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 08:06 PM
Aug 2013

House republicans are as useful as breasts on a bull.

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