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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:35 PM Jul 2013

WOW! TURNING THE TABLES: California Town Using EMINENT DOMAIN To Save Homeowners From Banks


Gayle McLaughlin, the former schoolteacher who is serving her second term as Richmond's mayor.



A City Invokes Seizure Laws to Save Homes


Banks = Waaa,waaaa, waaaa, waaaa..............




All of the loans in question are tied up in what are called private label securities, meaning they were bundled and sold to private investors. Such loans are generally the most unfavorable to borrowers and the most likely to default, Mr. Gluckstern said. But they are also the most difficult to modify because they are controlled by loan servicers and trustees for the investors, not the investors themselves. If Richmond’s purchase offer is declined, the city intends to use eminent domain to condemn and buy the loans.



The banks and the real estate industry have argued that such a move would be unprecedented and unconstitutional. But Mr. Hockett says that all types of property, not just land and buildings, are subject to eminent domain if the government can show it is needed to promote the public good, in this case fighting blight and keeping communities intact. Railroad stocks, private bus companies, sports teams and even some mortgages have been subject to eminent domain. Opponents, including the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association, the American Bankers Association, the National Association of Realtors and some big investors have mounted a concerted opposition campaign on multiple levels, including flying lobbyists to California city halls and pressuring Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Federal Housing Administration to use their control of the mortgage industry to ban the practice.



Tim Cameron, the head of Sifma’s Asset Management Group, said any city using eminent domain would make borrowing more expensive for everyone in the community and divert profits from the investors who now own the loan to M.R.P. and the investors financing the new program. “Eminent domain is used for roads and schools and bridges that benefit an entire community, not something that cherry-picks who the winners are and who the losers are,” he said. Representative John Campbell, Republican of California, has introduced a bill that would prohibit Fannie, Freddie and the F.H.A. from making, guaranteeing or insuring a mortgage in any community that has used eminent domain in this way. Eminent domain supporters say such limits would constitute a throwback to the illegal practice called redlining, when banks refused to lend in minority communities.



Opponents have also employed hardball tactics. In North Las Vegas, a mass mailer paid for by real estate brokers warned that M.R.P. had “hatched a plan to make millions of dollars by foreclosing on homeowners who are current on their payments.” In a letter to the Justice Department, Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom of California complained that the opposition was violating antitrust laws and that one unnamed hedge fund had threatened an investor in the project. But not all mortgage investors oppose the plan. Some have long argued that writing down homeowner debt makes sense in many cases. “This is not the first choice, but it’s rapidly becoming the only choice on how to fix this mess,” said William Frey, an investor advocate.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/30/business/in-a-shift-eminent-domain-saves-homes.html?pagewanted=2#h[]
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WOW! TURNING THE TABLES: California Town Using EMINENT DOMAIN To Save Homeowners From Banks (Original Post) Segami Jul 2013 OP
me likey Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #1
Haven't thoroughly analyzed, but elleng Jul 2013 #6
My fear -- and please tell me if I'm just being paranoid -- is Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #10
I don't see the Supremes deciding on the basis of what might be 'better,' elleng Jul 2013 #12
I believe she ran as a Green Party roody Jul 2013 #2
Yup. KamaAina Jul 2013 #22
Unprecedented, maybe; unconstitutional??? elleng Jul 2013 #3
Excellent strategy to stop the land grab of American's homes and property. Someone is on the side sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #4
About time government stepped in to help homeowners, truebluegreen Jul 2013 #5
Of course, a reTHUG has introduced a preventative Bill.. Segami Jul 2013 #7
Hmmmm.... is capital subject to eminent domain? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #8
What would the fair compensation for such a seizure be? badtoworse Jul 2013 #11
I'm sure someone could come up with a creative solution Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #14
You were talking about seizing wealth badtoworse Jul 2013 #17
As I said, there could be various creative answers Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #19
These days? About a loaf of bread or a pound of ground beef. (NT) Heywood J Aug 2013 #26
It would be even easier to just tax it. NYC Liberal Jul 2013 #20
thousands of bank-owned properties in detroit are taxed, but the banks don't pay. they just HiPointDem Aug 2013 #25
:) arthritisR_US Jul 2013 #9
How would the fair value of the loans be determined? badtoworse Jul 2013 #13
what is creativly left out in this article ceonupe Aug 2013 #27
Good news. I hope it catches on throughout the country. n/t UtahLib Jul 2013 #15
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #16
"the public good" is NOT what the money men care about. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #18
kr HiPointDem Jul 2013 #21
They are the ones always exploiting loopholes, let them see what it's like to get screwed. nt Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #23
K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #24
K & R dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #28
the Mayor is with the Green Party annm4peace Aug 2013 #29
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #30
Oh, dearie! If they can get away with this... malthaussen Aug 2013 #31

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
1. me likey
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jul 2013

However, I am curious how the USSC will treat this in light of the heinous Kelo v New London decision.

elleng

(130,895 posts)
6. Haven't thoroughly analyzed, but
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jul 2013

as Kelo found, 'In a 5–4 decision, the Court held that the general benefits a community enjoyed from economic growth qualified private redevelopment plans as a permissible "public use" under the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment,' I don't see a problem. NO DOUBT here about the general benefits the community will enjoy from saving homes.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
10. My fear -- and please tell me if I'm just being paranoid -- is
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jul 2013

we'll see a bastardized version of Kelo saying giving the homes to the bank would be the better "benefits a community enjoyed from economic growth qualified private redevelopment."

1) this would unleash corporatism to run amok

2) it turns the USSC into a body that awards rulings based on which litigant in a given case derives greater value as opposed to establishing a body of case law that will guide the future.


If I'm just being paranoid without any basis in recent history please feel free to talk me down.

elleng

(130,895 posts)
12. I don't see the Supremes deciding on the basis of what might be 'better,'
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:00 PM
Jul 2013

your #2, but rather deciding whether the city's approach is acceptable. Again, haven't thoroughly analyzed Kelo today (!) May do so later.

elleng

(130,895 posts)
3. Unprecedented, maybe; unconstitutional???
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:44 PM
Jul 2013


'all types of property, not just land and buildings, are subject to eminent domain if the government can show it is needed to promote the public good, in this case fighting blight and keeping communities intact. Railroad stocks, private bus companies, sports teams and even some mortgages have been subject to eminent domain.'

Eminent domain is the right of a government or its agent to expropriate private property for public use, with payment of compensation.

I LOVE this argument!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
4. Excellent strategy to stop the land grab of American's homes and property. Someone is on the side
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jul 2013

of the people.

I remember reading something like this being proposed to stop foreclosures, since the Government refused to put a moratorium on them. Not sure if this is the same plan, but it's brilliant.

Hopefully it will spread to other cities.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
5. About time government stepped in to help homeowners,
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jul 2013

too bad it is only the local govt...but maybe it will start a trend.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
7. Of course, a reTHUG has introduced a preventative Bill..
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jul 2013
Republicans are loyal to their master Banksters.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
8. Hmmmm.... is capital subject to eminent domain?
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jul 2013

If so, then one could argue that it is in the public's interest to seize some percent of the wealth of the nation's ultra-billionaires

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
11. What would the fair compensation for such a seizure be?
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:59 PM
Jul 2013

Under Eminent Domain, you don't get to just take it. You have to compensate the owner of the property you are taking. Thge fair value of money seems like it should be pretty easy to calculate.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
14. I'm sure someone could come up with a creative solution
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:04 PM
Jul 2013

Like that million-dollar coin or something.

Fair compensation. Let's see, some people get "compensated" for their labor at $7 an hour, some at $700 an hour, some even at $7,000 an hour. I'm sure it could be worked out.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
17. You were talking about seizing wealth
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:09 PM
Jul 2013

Say you seized 20% of a billionaires wealth, i.e. $200 million.. What would fair compensation be? IOW, what is the fair market value of $200 million?

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
20. It would be even easier to just tax it.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jul 2013

If that's what you want to do then create a special tax and appropriate all revenue from that specific tax to whatever.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
25. thousands of bank-owned properties in detroit are taxed, but the banks don't pay. they just
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:13 AM
Aug 2013

let the properties sit & rot.

what's the point in taxing something when those taxed can get away with not paying?

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
27. what is creativly left out in this article
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:06 AM
Aug 2013

is that the city in this test run is buying them for full loan value.

they know they cant get away with buying to for less than loaned value.

they tried earlier to go with a plan that forced compensation at only fair market value


this article is bullcrap.

basically the city is paying 425k for a property worth 125k now.

a better way might be a voluntary program in which the bank does an orderly transfer it lower price over to the city/government/nonprofit. From there the city/gov/nonprofit can finance a loan to the current owners based on the reduced price.

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