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Wed Jul 31, 2013, 04:01 PM

Manning sentencing trial: No Afghan national killed as a result of leaks

Brig. Gen. Robert Carr confirms on stand that

Via @kgosztola https://twitter.com/kgosztola
"Afghan national killed was not in war logs, Carr testified. So no person whose name was in war logs was ever killed as result "

"Brig. Gen. Carr testified Afghan war logs had 900-plus Afghan names (but no one was killed as result of disclosure)"


Via @nathanLfuller https://twitter.com/nathanLfuller

"Judge Lind affirmed that she would disregard testimony about the person the Taliban killed, as he was not connected to the releases "


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Reply Manning sentencing trial: No Afghan national killed as a result of leaks (Original post)
Luminous Animal Jul 2013 OP
Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #1
Catherina Jul 2013 #2
Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #3
TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #4
Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #9
Rex Aug 2013 #20
Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #5
Hydra Jul 2013 #6
Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #7
Hydra Jul 2013 #8
Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #11
Hydra Jul 2013 #12
Recursion Jul 2013 #13
Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #15
Recursion Aug 2013 #16
Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #18
Recursion Aug 2013 #19
Solly Mack Jul 2013 #10
Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #14
Pelican Aug 2013 #17

Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 04:13 PM

1. So no blood on Manning's or Wikileaks' hands. It is us...

the United States who have the blood of Afghan nationals on our hands.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 04:14 PM

2. Here's the photo the government continually referred to in their arguments as proof of narcissism

Nathan Fuller ‏@nathanLfuller

Photo the government continually referred to in closing arguments as evidence of B. #Manning's narcissism...



https://twitter.com/nathanLfuller/status/362571355767586816

Wow.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 04:24 PM

3. Probably because many authoritarians government are vampires and don't understand that mortals

look at themselves in mirrors.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 04:34 PM

4. Pssstt...

... Shh... Don't tell the government about Instagram; and the advent of selfies.

TYY

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Response to Catherina (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 06:29 PM

9. And, the NY Times continues to do their best to catapult the propaganda that he's

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 03:40 PM

20. They know who pays them to print propaganda.

 

Same people our govt works for.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 04:48 PM

5. Kick.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 05:00 PM

6. So many casual lies

The people trying to smear Manning are surprisingly coming up empty. His leak didn't kill anyone, and shined a huge light on the ridiculous things being done in our name.

Crucified for showing us and the world the truth. Funny world.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 05:04 PM

7. I've seen it outright asserted that an Afghani elder was killed and a name provided..

unfortunately, that person's name does not show up in the logs. I know because I searched. The reply to that fact was that Wikileaks scrubbed the logs.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 05:20 PM

8. What your story illustrates scares me more than anything else so far

There is no effort to keep to the truth. Anything and everything can be asserted without basis, and people lap it up. Orwell had a lot of points in 1984 that were critically important, but I think none so much as the power the Inner Party through the Outer has to rewrite history almost on the fly.

What can you do when everything you know about history is a lie, and you have no way to check it?

"Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future."

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Response to Hydra (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 07:12 PM

11. The U.S. government took Taliban propaganda and presented it as truth. Disgusting.

They knew it was false because the victim's name does not exist in the Wikileaks Afghan War Diaries database.

And very smart DUers contributed catapulting the propaganda when the could have easily done what I did. Search the database.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 07:25 PM

12. They wanted to believe

Bradley Manning's disclosure scared a lot of people. It took the mask off the Bush Admin...the problem is that we were still doing it, and there were people invested in keeping it all secret.

They retreated from the truth and took refuge in the idea that nobody should read what was released, because it was a "careless" disclosure of "too many documents that couldn't possibly be relevant." So, they didn't read it. They took the word of someone who said it had killed people.

Funny that it took the Gov't taking Bradley Manning to court to prove that what he did was a righteous and responsible act of a horrified citizen.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 07:28 PM

13. I know of some jailings but no killings

But, the Maldives being what they are, they might have been jailed anyways.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 07:31 PM

15. If you know their names, you can search the databases. It's not enough to assert when

it is easy enough to find proof.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 03:14 PM

16. I have. I read that cable before it was leaked

This isn't idle speculation; it's a case I knew a lot about.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 03:34 PM

18. Then cough it up.

All the cables have been published and it should be easy to provide a link.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 03:37 PM

19. ummm... no thanks

I'll pass on that request. Cheers.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 06:50 PM

10. K&R

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2013, 07:30 PM

14. What would you do?

:large

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 03:18 PM

17. Does anyone think that they went and knocked on 900 plus doors...

 

... to check and see if these guys are a-ok?

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