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Thu Aug 1, 2013, 05:36 AM

Everyone keeps talking about bipartisanship

The bipartisanship angle hasn't worked for President Obama since Jan. 20, 2009. At least not enough to make much of a difference.

I give him credit for trying. But he needs to use the political clout of his office more often. He needs to call the crazy bastards out on their lies. Not all of the lies because that in itself would be a full time job. Maybe one or two a week.

But he's to nice.

He needs to give them a jobs bill to vote on every week or two. Rotate it with an infrastructure bill, budget bill and a minimum wage bill.

Do it every week. Week in and week out. Then, when the bills are constantly voted down, let the country know what the assholes are doing. If nothing else it may be good ammo for the elections.

If the repukes start bitching about it, make sure to remind them that they seem to have no problem with trying to get rid Obamacare by voting against it. What? 39 or 40 times now? Even though it is now law.

He needs to start hammering away on them and not let up. Even when Faux News, OxyRush, Crybaby Beck and Shammity start with "the angry black man" crap.

And he can't let up.

Bring up the meeting that Bill Cantor, Paul Ryan, Jim DeMint, Kevin McCarthy, Pete Sessions, Pete Hoestra, Dan Lungren, Jon Kyl, Tom Coburn, Bob Corker, John Ensign, Newt Gingrich, Frank Luntz and Jeb Hensarling had the VERY EVENING of the inauguration to intentionally sabotage and prevent an economic recovery by voting against virtually everything that President Obama proposed.

[link:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/15/from-day-one.html|

Hell, make a big-assed poster with their names and pictures on it, that can be displayed behind the President and every democrat that makes a speech or a public statement. Imagine that backdrop at press conferences?

Now some may think that this that's a little over the top, but President Obama and the democrats need to do something, anything, other than what they are doing now.

I know that there are a few dems that are speaking out (FINALLY) and even President Obama has given us a few flashes of encouragement by speaking out against the rethugs from time to time.

But he... we... us... need to do more by standing up and calling the republicans/ teabaggers/right wing nuts, out on their lies and bullshit.

Sure, maybe it's a good thing, for us and the upcoming elections, that there are so many on the right that are talking so crazy. But, if there is no counter point to the sewer slop that comes constantly from so many of the lying assholes, that's what people will remember.

We can't afford that.

The country can't afford that.

The world can't afford that.

Just to let everyone know. I really like President Obama. I think that he was what this country needed to help it recover from the shitpot that Bush the Lesser and his cronies left the country in.

I don't always agree with him, especially lately on a few things, but I think that he's helped the country heal and given it back some of the respect that was lost during the previous debacle.

And yes, I do what I can. I have for some 40+ years now. I stared getting involved when I was 15 or 16. Only now it isn't much lately since my health went south.

I guess I'm about done now. Sometimes I get going and don't know when to stop. Since I've been sick these past few years the intertubes has been one of my main means of communication and interaction with people. Friends and relatives tend to visit and call less and less if you can't go and see them it seems.

Sorry if my rant went long. Sometimes I just get going. That, and I have to get started some time.



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bearssoapbox Aug 2013 OP
disidoro01 Aug 2013 #1
bearssoapbox Aug 2013 #2
Pholus Aug 2013 #3
bearssoapbox Aug 2013 #4
bigtree Aug 2013 #5
alc Aug 2013 #6
bearssoapbox Aug 2013 #7

Response to bearssoapbox (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 05:47 AM

1. If he

isn't willing to get out of the pocket of corporations/banks, nothing you've demanded matters.
Neither him nor Holder want to do anything to make things right on a grand scale. Big banks and big corporaions tore us apart and unless they are held accountable, we will never be able to move forward.
Partisanship is a smokescreen.

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Response to disidoro01 (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 05:58 AM

2. Good point

Big banks and big corporations have gotten far to much influence. Especially in the past few years.
But it would still be fun to see the right called out on a regular more forceful basis.

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Response to bearssoapbox (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:40 AM

3. Absolutely. It's one thing to "play nice"

it's another to preemptively hand the bully your lunch money.

We're facing another showdown yet again. It shows that we'll be living like the movie "Groundhog Day" until we fight them and win.

I like your ideas.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:59 AM

4. Obama is a smart guy

I can't figure him out sometimes though.
The bully analogy is a good one.

Thanks

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Response to bearssoapbox (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 07:03 AM

5. rec'd nt.

 

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Response to bearssoapbox (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 08:13 AM

6. I don't give him credit for bipartisanship

One of the things I thought we needed when I voted for him was someone who can bring the parties together - or more specifically people from both parties, not leadership. (the other main reason was transparency/trust) I don't care how much republican leadership is against Obama, I think a good leader would find a way to move things forward -both his objectives and some from the other side since that's the only way when the country is about 50/50.

That means behind the scenes discussions where he says "here's what I want. what do you want?" Then coming out together and saying 'here's what we have agreed to" He did try some with Boehner and it didn't work. But don't give up. Try more rather than coming out publicly saying "here's my jobs bill. demand your congressman approves it" - over and over for 3 weeks. Or "here's a 'grand bargain' that gives the republicans what they want. they need to play nice". Those were great political/campaign moves, but sucked as far as getting things done.

Good leadership means understanding the problems (i.e. the other side just wants to say no) and still finding ways to get things done and work with whoever you need to. He may have been elected by 50% of the people, but he is president of 100% and needs to work with a congress from the other party. If he owned congress too, he could say 'fuck you' to the other side. But he doesn't own congress and other than his Boehner talks I haven't seen any honest attempt to work with them since his supposed 'I won' comment in 2009 until now. Most of what he's said has sounded a lot like 'fuck you' to the other side even though he words it so his supporters can say he's trying to reach bipartisan agreement.

I know DU hates bipartisanship and love the 'i won. do what I' say attitude. But the fact is that NOTHING is moving forward without bipartisanship until congress changes. And even with a D congress look at the ACA mess. A crappy bill barely passed and it's being fought the entire way by the opponents. Until the country becomes 90+% liberal & D that's all we can expect without someone showing good bipartisanship leader skills and changing things.

I'll give republicans 99% of the blame. It's not Obama's fault that he can't get things done, he just doesn't have the leadership skills needed to work in our current political climate. I hope the next president does (R or D) because I don't see us changing from a pretty even 50/50 split on R/D representation in congress any time soon.

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Response to alc (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 2, 2013, 02:01 AM

7. When the other side plotted against him,

just hours after he took office.

When Turtle Face McConnell said they were going to make him a one term president.

When a rethug shithead Joe Wilson yells "You Lie" during a national speech.

When Agent Orange Boner smirks and brags that he got "98%" of what he wanted(which means that dems got 2%) after last years debt ceiling farce.

He was screwed from the word GO.

The repukes weren't going to work with him from the very start.

President Obama has done everything short of sucking their dicks to get their support and they just dig in and double down in their opposition of him.

You can't work with someone if they are determined not to work with you or even acknowledge you as President.(birthers, he's a Muslim etc.) Even Boner fudged when asked if he thought President Obama was born in America or if he believed Obama was a Muslim.

I do agree on the transparency/trust issue. He started out OK but lately I haven't been to happy with the things he has been doing. He almost seems like a different person.




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