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Documents Show NSA Violated Court Orders
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/31/198229/documents-show-nsa-violated-court.html#.UfpkRNJzGpB
One of the key deflections over the ethical questions related to domestic spying by the government is its legal. Stated ad nauseum this defense was supposed to reduce violations of Fourth Amendment protected privacy to technical misunderstandings. But it turns out the NSA did, in fact, go beyond technical limits by violating court orders. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/31/198229/documents-show-nsa-violated-court.html#.UfpkRNJzGpB
The documents didnt disclose specific details of the violations. But they said that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court imposed temporary restrictions on the programs after it learned of the violations until it was satisfied the NSA had revamped its procedures to conform to court requirements.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/07/31/nsa-and-fisa-court-documents-to-be-selectively-declassified-to-win-back-public-suppport/
The NSA could not even comply with a secret court that rarely, if ever, does not grant the governments request to transgress on Constitutionally protected liberties.The information comes from the selectively declassified documents on the NSA spying program.
Neither the Department, NSA nor the FISA court has found any intentional or bad-faith violations, the letter said.
Dont panic. The secret Unconstitutional program the NSA is running that is overseen by a secret panel of right-wing judges only had a few technical compliance problems. Back to sleep America, nothing to see here.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/08/01/documents-show-nsa-violated-court-orders/
a little more here:
NSA and FISA Court Documents To Be Selectively Declassified To Win Back Public Support
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/07/31/nsa-and-fisa-court-documents-to-be-selectively-declassified-to-win-back-public-suppport/
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Documents Show NSA Violated Court Orders"
...bogus title. The documents release showed no such thing.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Response to ProSense (Reply #6)
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Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)But they're still violations. Your own citation says as much --
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)I can keep it and use it.
David Krout
(423 posts)Can I tell the cop that I was distracted therefore it cannot be a violaion? The examples can be numerous.
David Krout
(423 posts)I've been trying in vain to find a pdf.
randome
(34,845 posts)Courts rein in law enforcement all the time. That's how the system is supposed to work.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)This is exactly why you have oversight.
People screw up. Accidentally, or on purpose. If you have oversight, you identify the problems, and you fix them. Which is what the article says happened.
Now, if the article said that people broke the rules (accidentally or on purpose), and those violations were identified, and then nothing at all was done about it ... then there's a major problem.
In any bureaucratic process where you have people involved, you will have instances in which some of those people violate the rules (intentionally, or by accident). That's just a fact.
One of the arguments we hear often with regard to the NSA is that there is NO OVERSIGHT. That claim gets made over and over.
This article appears to refute that claim. There were violations, those were identified via actual oversight, and then the procedures were corrected.
randome
(34,845 posts)When, as you pointed out, obviously it has oversight.
David Krout
(423 posts)Make up your minds people.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Would you be happy with a letter from your bank telling you it had made unspecified errors in handling your account, and had taken steps to correct them?
Or from your doctor, saying she had made unspecified mistakes in handling your child's kidney transplant, but had discussed them with hospital and made sure they were addressed?
Does anyone ever believe this secret self-regulating bullshit, really?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)violations ... BAD NSA.
You claim that the report about the violations is bogus ... BAD NSA.
What we've essentially established with those 2 views is that no matter what happens ... its evidence of ... BAD NSA.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)which is why they were released.
This selective declassification is being done with one thing in mind: PR. They want to keep that security state money machine humming.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)onyourleft
(726 posts)...the operative word.
David Krout
(423 posts)Did some impartial entity say the system worked? Are you perhaps quoting a member of the Obama administration? Just a wild guess.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Sad to note most of the criminality is yet to be exposed.