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Many Democrats prefer Clinton over Warren for president because the Clinton name is already

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well-known. It's true that this will be a great help in winning the election, but I think
more should be looked at than name-recognition alone. We should also consider the
candidates' philosophies of governance. Just read the message in this thread describing
what Warren is like at work in the senate. She doesn't take any nonsense from anyone
and doesn't allow herself to be bullied by anybody. [If Obama only had something of this
quality !!]. Furthermore, she is anything but shy about standing up for what she wants to
get done for the American people. Right now she is working on (1) Student Loans.
(2) Breaking Up the Big Banks (and here she's got Republican Sen. John McCain, no less,
on her side).

She started off in the Senate seven months ago as a star figure and is more well-known
than many of her senior colleagues who have already served several terms. This is a
delicate situation and will continue to remain so for some time to come, but she seems
to be handling it well thus far. There are more of them who admire and are in awe of
her than those who disapprove. The GOP senators, of course, detest her. Their fear of
her is plainly showing!

For those of us Democrats who think that Hillary Clinton is a far better-known person,
well, it's true at the moment. But there are 3+ years to go before November, 2016, and
Warren, at the rate she is moving, will have accomplished far more in bringing to the
American people's awareness the severe problems that are facing our nation. She will
introduce legislation to correct them, and she will not hesitate to publicize it -- loud and
clear-- when the GOP senators will do their best to block them. She is not shy about
placing blame on where the blame is due. After all, it is the truth. And, like Harry
Truman, she is not afraid of telling the truth.

Like many other Democrats, I think of Hillary Clinton as a middle-of-the-roader. Should
she decide to run and win, we'll be having more of the same as what we've been having
from Obama, so far. Should Clinton win in the primaries, I'd vote for her over any
Republican. However, in the long run I don't think there can be any real change with a
middle-of-the-road philosophy, and win against the Republicans as things now stand.
Just look at Obama. He gives in perhaps 75% and receives 25% whenever he is
bargaining with the GOP. For the health of Democracy in our country, this is like dying
a slow death. It's only a question of time -- unless we change. I hope I am wrong,
but it doesn't look like Obama is going to change suddenly in the 3+ years that are left.

Elizabeth Warren is a Progressive, Liberal DOER. And we need a Progressive, Liberal
DOER right now to shake up the masses of people who simply don't know what's going
on in our country, and in the world at large.

We need NEW BLOOD, and Elizabeth Warren is that NEW BLOOD we have been hoping
and praying for, ever since GW Bush became president in January. 2001.

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Many Democrats prefer Clinton over Warren for president because the Clinton name is already (Original post)	Cal33	Aug 2013	OP
We shouldn't forget, the Republicans are ready to dust off all the	hedgehog	Aug 2013	#1
The Mass. election got pretty nasty. Warren or any Dem nominee would be subjected to a barrage of	Metric System	Aug 2013	#40
The Republicans will dig up or make up dirt about whomever we run.	winter is coming	Aug 2013	#98
This is nothing new. making up dirt against a Democratic challener is something that they've always	Cal33	Aug 2013	#143
I want the names bush and clinton to go away. This isn't a monarchy and I'm sick of them.	roguevalley	Aug 2013	#116
AMEN!! n/t	choie	Aug 2013	#127
Left On!	Faux pas	Aug 2013	#132
I agree that is m objection to HRC	left is right	Aug 2013	#151
Thank you. nt	snappyturtle	Aug 2013	#178
Oh, well THAT'S a reason for ya...the Republicans don't like her. You haters are a SCREAM	LaydeeBug	Aug 2013	#164
Warren gets all my support.	Safetykitten	Aug 2013	#2
This is not a hard choice for anyone who holds to traditional Democratic values.	Scuba	Aug 2013	#3
How is Warren going to accomplish anything real with a Republican House?	treestar	Aug 2013	#4
Of course 2014 is nearer, and winning the House in 2014 is a must, if Democrats will be	Cal33	Aug 2013	#23
It doesn't matter if you would like the way she would "see to it"	treestar	Aug 2013	#125
I do realize the necessity of having the backing of the Congress for the president to get things	Cal33	Aug 2013	#130
You are right.	Maedhros	Aug 2013	#60
She would not make 'grand bargains'	AgingAmerican	Aug 2013	#5
Sending Warren into that cesspool now would be crazy.	grasswire	Aug 2013	#6
Just doing her job now and for the next 3-1/2 years as senator might help to clean up the	Cal33	Aug 2013	#52
She's One Of 100...	KharmaTrain	Aug 2013	#154
Much of what you say is true. Well, I hope she will rev up something that Democrats are really	Cal33	Aug 2013	#157
I'd vote for Warren	madokie	Aug 2013	#7
She would have my vote.	immoderate	Aug 2013	#17
and I'd bet almost anything that she won't run. c'mon, use some analytic skills here.	cali	Aug 2013	#8
...and here comes the "If you don't select her then you will have a repuke for POTUS".	L0oniX	Aug 2013	#13
Hey, you--	Jackpine Radical	Aug 2013	#80
I've been saying for 9 months now neither Clinton nor Biden will run	davidpdx	Aug 2013	#122
I hope Warren will.	Cal33	Aug 2013	#123
I second your hope! n/t	JimDandy	Aug 2013	#144
And the Clinton name is associated with the IWR, NAFTA,	closeupready	Aug 2013	#9
The bottom line...	gcomeau	Aug 2013	#10
Because first-term Senators have no chance whatsoever of being elected President	KamaAina	Aug 2013	#31
And of course Rand Paul and Ted Cruz	pscot	Aug 2013	#35
Cruz was born in canada.	alp227	Aug 2013	#47
Hallelujah....	think	Aug 2013	#64
His mother is American born.	djean111	Aug 2013	#104
REALLY?	alp227	Aug 2013	#106
Of course there is a double standard, silly!	djean111	Aug 2013	#108
If so, how come the GOP fruit-cakes were making such a stink about Obama? His	Cal33	Aug 2013	#109
"natural born" is open to interpretation.	djean111	Aug 2013	#110
How about all the	Cal33	Aug 2013	#114
Not in the context of the Presidency - Obama's mom was born in Kansas - If what you said was true	karynnj	Aug 2013	#113
I like Elizabeth Warren, but she's no Barack Obama. Come on.	Metric System	Aug 2013	#41
That's why I like her!	KamaAina	Aug 2013	#42
That is right....nt	Enthusiast	Aug 2013	#119
I was not referring simply to...	gcomeau	Aug 2013	#48
You forget, she also worked a few years for Obama. She's had an	Cal33	Aug 2013	#58
I feel quite certain that in two years' time, Warren will have made a good name for	Cal33	Aug 2013	#38
I do as well...	gcomeau	Aug 2013	#49
Most Repubs. vote Republican, and most Dems. vote Democratic. She doesn't need	Cal33	Aug 2013	#61
I will never vote for any Clinton! I have a feeling the over lords and fawners will select her.	L0oniX	Aug 2013	#11
Not even if it's a choice between a Clinton or a Republican?	Cal33	Aug 2013	#30
That is not the case at present	pscot	Aug 2013	#37
Using the word "never"...	gcomeau	Aug 2013	#50
I hope it won't be the case in 2016, either.	Cal33	Aug 2013	#63
If lefty Dems don't vote it will be the fault of who the DLC and centrists run in the primary.	L0oniX	Aug 2013	#134
A vote for Clinton is a vote for war IMO.	L0oniX	Aug 2013	#95
A primary reason, (pun intended), why the polarization of wealth increases daily,	Zorra	Aug 2013	#12
If we're using musical analogies	Maedhros	Aug 2013	#62
Why, what on earth do you mean?	Zorra	Aug 2013	#71
No person in this country deserves the office of President more than Sec. Clinton.	millennialmax	Aug 2013	#14
deserves? deserves? yikes.	cali	Aug 2013	#18
If it comes to a choice of Hillary or a Republican, I'd choose Hillary. Our democratic way of life	Cal33	Aug 2013	#24
But there IS a primary before the general election. And OP and many of us haven't selected Hillary	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#84
Very well said!	Raksha	Aug 2013	#117
Oh, I've GOT to hear more of this.	bvar22	Aug 2013	#26
If you need me to explain, it's probably not going to change your mind anyway. eom	millennialmax	Aug 2013	#29
Its that sense of royal "entitlement" that turns my stomach.	bvar22	Aug 2013	#43
Graham is that you?	4Q2u2	Aug 2013	#32
I don't understand what Lindsay Graham has to do with any of this.	millennialmax	Aug 2013	#33
80/20	RevStPatrick	Aug 2013	#34
What if she doesn't run, Graham?	Spirochete	Aug 2013	#59
The presidency is not subject to any entitlement. What's more important is her stand on the issues,	totodeinhere	Aug 2013	#74
But Hillary might get the McCain vote!	progressoid	Aug 2013	#15
Has Elizabeth Warren indicated that she's even thinking	MineralMan	Aug 2013	#16
Not that I am aware of. But there's nothing wrong with hoping. :)	Cal33	Aug 2013	#25
That's what I thought. It's too early, I think,	MineralMan	Aug 2013	#27
It doesn't stop her fan club from wishing and hoping.	MADem	Aug 2013	#161
I agree. She is doing a wonderful job in the Senate, and	MineralMan	Aug 2013	#163
I'm all in.	wilsonbooks	Aug 2013	#19
No more DLC, but the Democratic Establishment is still around, under a	Cal33	Aug 2013	#28
Got my vote	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2013	#20
I would enthusiastically vote	leftynyc	Aug 2013	#21
K&R. Clinton in 2016 would be Bush's fifth term. ENOUGH.	forestpath	Aug 2013	#22
Having a well-known name didn't help Hillary beat someone as well known	rocktivity	Aug 2013	#36
I'll take either one ...	meegbear	Aug 2013	#39
Can't say I blame you. :)	Cal33	Aug 2013	#68
Can we PLEASE concentrate on the 2013 and 2014 elections right now?????	DinahMoeHum	Aug 2013	#44
What you say is very true. I'm just expressing my views.	Cal33	Aug 2013	#69
I don't know Warren's views on civil liberties and war and executive power and border enforcement	Vattel	Aug 2013	#45
From what she is already doing, we can see that Warren is a Progressive. However, she	Cal33	Aug 2013	#72
Many Democrats are waiting to see...	Wait Wut	Aug 2013	#46
Excellent way of looking at things.	Cal33	Aug 2013	#73
Can anyone convince me Hillary won't be a corporate shill?	FreeBC	Aug 2013	#51
Seeing these as the same....	Crow73	Aug 2013	#57
I'll always vote for the lesser of two evils, because in that case, not to vote	Cal33	Aug 2013	#77
The Clinton presidency was the last	GlashFordan	Aug 2013	#53
Thanks for propping up Newt.	mick063	Aug 2013	#65
I'll give credit to bigdog	GlashFordan	Aug 2013	#89
Actually the gap between the 1% and everyone else accelerated during Clinton's	totodeinhere	Aug 2013	#76
Because of the export of jobs, Clinton's prosperity could only have been temporary. I'm	Cal33	Aug 2013	#83
Why his and her biggest money backers	ceonupe	Aug 2013	#128
I don't know One Friend	Howler	Aug 2013	#54
Yes	mick063	Aug 2013	#67
EXACTLY Mick063	Howler	Aug 2013	#78
The only Clinton I want as President	Maedhros	Aug 2013	#55
+1	AtomicKitten	Aug 2013	#97
I donate, pound the street, hit the phone bank, go to work for Warren. (or one very similar to her)	mick063	Aug 2013	#56
haha... I would only vote for warren if she were the dem nom	okieinpain	Aug 2013	#66
tough call.	warrprayer	Aug 2013	#70
The GOP is so fucked up right now that I suspect that any credible Democrat,	totodeinhere	Aug 2013	#79
I prefer neither.	LWolf	Aug 2013	#75
That is a compromise I can live with	mick063	Aug 2013	#85
That's right.	LWolf	Aug 2013	#92
If a liberal governor will be the next Democratic nominee for president, I'd vote for him/her.	Cal33	Aug 2013	#88
That's what Diebold says.	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2013	#81
I suppose there will still be many electronic voting machines around come 2016. We	Cal33	Aug 2013	#90
I agree that electronic voting machines will still be around. I disagree that we are either too lazy	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2013	#93
But the politicians in power, who could make changes and don't, should be.	Cal33	Aug 2013	#100
We need a Tough ol' Broad. I'll take Clinton any day over Warren. Her time will come	demosincebirth	Aug 2013	#82
Even if Warren should be fighting for the American people, and Clinton for the corporations?	Cal33	Aug 2013	#91
If you say so. nt	demosincebirth	Aug 2013	#115
Warren looks good to me. Clinton is a No Sale.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#86
Elizabeth Warren	Hula Popper	Aug 2013	#87
I will not vote for Hillary.	liberal_at_heart	Aug 2013	#94
If I could be convinced Warren would win I'm all for it.	DCBob	Aug 2013	#96
Yes, she has been in office only 7 months and she is already tackling big problems like	Cal33	Aug 2013	#99
Perhaps.. but she needs to make some noise and get in the news.	DCBob	Aug 2013	#101
the media is owned by the rich and they have already decided that Hillary will be the nominee.	liberal_at_heart	Aug 2013	#102
Funny RW talk radio says the media has selected Hillary also but for a different reason.	DCBob	Aug 2013	#103
I doubt that. The media is not interested in Warren going after bankers, but they are interested in	liberal_at_heart	Aug 2013	#105
Yes, she should get some exposure and see how voters react. I also think this is	Cal33	Aug 2013	#107
Come on, EVERYONE knows the person with the best name recognition 3 years away from	hughee99	Aug 2013	#111
But this case is slightly different. Hillary' news-making years are over. Elizabeth's are	Cal33	Aug 2013	#112
Being from MA, you don't have to tell me about Warren, I'm on board.	hughee99	Aug 2013	#118
And for those in Massachusetts worried about losing another senator...	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#140
I agree with you 100%. There are many who are like Eliz. Warren around. All we have	Cal33	Aug 2013	#148
I think definitely point out the problems with them passing the Telecomm Act...	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#149
Many thanks. Will do.	Cal33	Aug 2013	#150
Didn't we hear all of this six years ago?	mattclearing	Aug 2013	#120
Elizabeth Warren would be my first choice!	B Calm	Aug 2013	#121
Is Warren even running?	treestar	Aug 2013	#124
Not that I'm aware of. But that doesn't matter. Remember when she was not	Cal33	Aug 2013	#126
Clinton is just another neocon puppet	Eddie Haskell	Aug 2013	#129
I won't vote for Hillary. Want my vote? Run a non-corporatist.	GoneFishin	Aug 2013	#131
The problem with extortion is that the ransom never goes away and always goes up.	mick063	Aug 2013	#135
What we can do is try to make sure a Progressive or Liberal wins in the	Cal33	Aug 2013	#137
I will work hard in this endeavor	mick063	Aug 2013	#139
Thanks for your intention to work hard to convince Eliz. Warren to run for the presidency. I	Cal33	Aug 2013	#145
I appreciate the link.	mick063	Aug 2013	#146
If name recognition and the 'familiar'	Faux pas	Aug 2013	#133
I support candidates in primaries who I think are electable.	aikoaiko	Aug 2013	#136
I would prefer Clinton to Warren...	Sancho	Aug 2013	#138
I think internationally, many countries might be really looking forward more to someone like Warren	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#141
Reply to Cascadiance's post #141	Cal33	Aug 2013	#142
And the opposite is also true.	hobbit709	Aug 2013	#147
Elizabeth Warren is my senator and a damn good one.	MADem	Aug 2013	#152
Elizabeth Warren won over her Republican competitor for the position of Senator from Mass. mainly	Cal33	Aug 2013	#155
EW was heavily funded because nationally, it was a disgrace to have Scott Brown as the junior	MADem	Aug 2013	#160
If trying to get students to pay 0.75% interest on their loans instead of 6.8% and breaking up	Cal33	Aug 2013	#166
She was just on local FauxSnooze tv--she's 'not interested.'	MADem	Aug 2013	#173
Sorry for sounding like I was lecturing. I didn't realize I was doing it. Nope, I'm	Cal33	Aug 2013	#174
Senators are supposed to spend time with their constituents.	MADem	Aug 2013	#175
To the GOP, the only president that could be worse than a black man...	Atman	Aug 2013	#153
There sure are a lot of PUMAs on DU. I for one can't wait for the mass exodus/banning. What goes	Metric System	Aug 2013	#156
I had to look up what PUMA stands for (Party Union My Ass). Hey, Democrats are like that. The	Cal33	Aug 2013	#159
I don't see Elizabeth Warren criticizing that horrible corporatist Obama now. What makes you think	Metric System	Aug 2013	#158
You may think of Obama as a horrible corporatist. I think Obama is a middle-of-the-roader, who is	Cal33	Aug 2013	#165
You may not know what Ms. Warren thinks but I agree with your assessment of the President.	1-Old-Man	Aug 2013	#167
We need REAL change not more broken promises. nt.	AppleBottom	Aug 2013	#162
Think about Rand Paul. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and ask yourself:	brooklynite	Aug 2013	#168
You are right. When Obama did not appoint Elizabeth Warren to head the Consumer Financial Protectio	Cal33	Aug 2013	#171
If one is content with the way things are voting for Clinton makes sense. If one wants real changes	Douglas Carpenter	Aug 2013	#169
I also think that if we were to have full Republican control of the Federal Government for	Cal33	Aug 2013	#172
If Warren is our primary runner, then she has my full support.	Rex	Aug 2013	#170
As a card carrying Democrat.. I would proudly vote for either one	Peacetrain	Aug 2013	#176
"we'll be having more of the same as what we've been having from Obama..."	gulliver	Aug 2013	#177
I came to the conclusion that Obama was a middle-of-the-roader a long time ago, and also that	Cal33	Aug 2013	#179
What you say about blockages from the GOP is very true. But, just think back a few	Cal33	Aug 2013	#180

Response to Cal33 (Original post)

Fri Aug 2, 2013, 12:04 PM

hedgehog (36,286 posts)

1. We shouldn't forget, the Republicans are ready to dust off all the

attacks they didn't get to use in 2008.

They are ready and waiting for Hillary Clinton.

If she is the candidate, will the election be about us, or about her?

Many Democrats prefer Clinton over Warren for president because the Clinton name is already

1. We shouldn't forget, the Republicans are ready to dust off all the

40. The Mass. election got pretty nasty. Warren or any Dem nominee would be subjected to a barrage of

98. The Republicans will dig up or make up dirt about whomever we run.

143. This is nothing new. making up dirt against a Democratic challener is something that they've always

116. I want the names bush and clinton to go away. This isn't a monarchy and I'm sick of them.

127. AMEN!! n/t

132. Left On!

151. I agree that is m objection to HRC

178. Thank you. nt

164. Oh, well THAT'S a *reason* for ya...the Republicans don't like her. You haters are a SCREAM

2. Warren gets all my support.

3. This is not a hard choice for anyone who holds to traditional Democratic values.

4. How is Warren going to accomplish anything real with a Republican House?

23. Of course 2014 is nearer, and winning the House in 2014 is a must, if Democrats will be

125. It doesn't matter if you would like the way she would "see to it"

130. I do realize the necessity of having the backing of the Congress for the president to get things

60. You are right.

5. She would not make 'grand bargains'

6. Sending Warren into that cesspool now would be crazy.

52. Just doing her job now and for the next 3-1/2 years as senator might help to clean up the

154. She's One Of 100...

157. Much of what you say is true. Well, I hope she will rev up something that Democrats are really

7. I'd vote for Warren

17. She would have my vote.

8. and I'd bet almost anything that she won't run. c'mon, use some analytic skills here.

13. ...and here comes the "If you don't select her then you will have a repuke for POTUS".

80. Hey, you--

122. I've been saying for 9 months now neither Clinton nor Biden will run

123. I hope Warren will.

144. I second your hope! n/t

9. And the Clinton name is associated with the IWR, NAFTA,

10. The bottom line...

31. Because first-term Senators have no chance whatsoever of being elected President

35. And of course Rand Paul and Ted Cruz

47. Cruz was born in canada.

64. Hallelujah....

104. His mother is American born.

106. REALLY?

108. Of course there is a double standard, silly!

109. If so, how come the GOP fruit-cakes were making such a stink about Obama? His

110. "natural born" is open to interpretation.

114. How about all the

113. Not in the context of the Presidency - Obama's mom was born in Kansas - If what you said was true

41. I like Elizabeth Warren, but she's no Barack Obama. Come on.

42. That's why I like her!

119. That is right....nt

48. I was not referring simply to...

58. You forget, she also worked a few years for Obama. She's had an

38. I feel quite certain that in two years' time, Warren will have made a good name for

49. I do as well...

61. Most Repubs. vote Republican, and most Dems. vote Democratic. She doesn't need

11. I will never vote for any Clinton! I have a feeling the over lords and fawners will select her.

30. Not even if it's a choice between a Clinton or a Republican?

37. That is not the case at present

50. Using the word "never"...

63. I hope it won't be the case in 2016, either.

134. If lefty Dems don't vote it will be the fault of who the DLC and centrists run in the primary.

95. A vote for Clinton is a vote for war IMO.

12. A primary reason, (pun intended), why the polarization of wealth increases daily,

62. If we're using musical analogies

71. Why, what on earth do you mean?

14. No person in this country deserves the office of President more than Sec. Clinton.

18. deserves? deserves? yikes.

24. If it comes to a choice of Hillary or a Republican, I'd choose Hillary. Our democratic way of life

84. But there IS a primary before the general election. And OP and many of us haven't selected Hillary

117. Very well said!

26. Oh, I've GOT to hear more of this.

29. If you need me to explain, it's probably not going to change your mind anyway. eom

43. Its that sense of royal "entitlement" that turns my stomach.

32. Graham is that you?

33. I don't understand what Lindsay Graham has to do with any of this.

34. 80/20

59. What if she doesn't run, Graham?

74. The presidency is not subject to any entitlement. What's more important is her stand on the issues,

15. But Hillary might get the McCain vote!

16. Has Elizabeth Warren indicated that she's even thinking

25. Not that I am aware of. But there's nothing wrong with hoping. :)

27. That's what I thought. It's too early, I think,

161. It doesn't stop her fan club from wishing and hoping.

164. Oh, well THAT'S a reason for ya...the Republicans don't like her. You haters are a SCREAM