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First, the SOD's insulation from even judges and prosecutors stops federal courts from assessing the constitutionality of the government's surveillance practices. Last year, Solicitor General Donald Verilli told the Supreme Court that a group of lawyers, journalists and human rights advocates who regularly communicate with targets of NSA wiretapping under the FISA Amendments Act (FAA) had no standing to challenge the constitutionality of that surveillance. But Verrilli said that if the government wanted to use FAA evidence in a criminal prosecution, the source of the information would have to be disclosed. When the Supreme Court eventually ruled in the government's favor, finding the plaintiffs had no standing, it justified its holding by noting the government's concession that it would inform litigants when FAA evidence was being used against them.
Although the government has been initially slow to follow up on Verrilli's promises, it has begrudgingly acknowledged its obligation to disclose when it uses the FAA to obtain evidence against criminal defendants. Just last week DOJ informed a federal court in Miami that it was required to disclose when FAA evidence was used to build a terrorism case against a criminal defendant.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/dea-and-nsa-team-intelligence-laundering
...how exactly is information from 2005 to 2007 relevant to the current DOJ announcement?
From the Reuters report:
An IRS spokesman had no comment on the entry or on why it was removed from the manual. Reuters recovered the previous editions from the archives of the Westlaw legal database, which is owned by Thomson Reuters Corp, the parent of this news agency.
Are they trying to confuse people by conflating stuff that happened during the Bush years with actions taken by the current adminstration?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Deal with the facts.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)"The guy before me did it" is no defense.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"What does it matter when it started? It's still going on!!!!!"
...don't know that.
Justice Department Says Prosecution in Terrorist Cases Must Tell Defendants When Surveillance Program Was Used
By DEVLIN BARRETT
The Justice Department acknowledged for the first time in a terrorism prosecution that it needs to tell defendants when sweeping government surveillance is used to build a criminal case against them.
The about-face, contained in a Tuesday court filing, marks another way in which the Obama administration is adjusting to revelations by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden about phone and Internet surveillance by the NSA. The revelations forced the government to acknowledge publicly aspects of its widespread collection of Internet and phone records, giving critics of such surveillance more legal ammunition to challenge the programs.
The filing suggests a new potential avenue for legal challenges to the surveillance programs.
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Patrick Toomey, a lawyer at the American Civil Liberties Union, called the filing "a very important first step, because it's the government finally owning up to some of its obligations in a way that it hasn't really grappled with up to this point.'' The Justice Department didn't immediately comment.
The change in legal direction also brings government prosecutors in line with statements Solicitor General Donald Verrilli made to the Supreme Court last year...that in cases where a bulk surveillance program led to evidence against criminal defendants in court, those suspects must be notified that the evidence was derived from the surveillance program.
His assertion was an important one, because the high court ultimately adopted his characterization of when notification was required.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323854904578638363001746552.html
Note this article appeared a week before the Reuters piece. It also indicates that this is a position that Solicitor General Donald Verrilli took last year.
dkf
(37,305 posts)http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805
Just because they pulled the docs from public records (obviously they made a mistake in making it available) doesn't meant they stopped the practice. More likely it means someone realized their oopsie.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Well, that clears up everything.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Actually I have no idea what your point is when you point to 2007 or 2008. It's all Bush's fault?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)She must be too busy to address the points raised that cast real doubt on her version of things.
dkf
(37,305 posts)I do not envy being so emotionally invested...
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Gotta admire the dedication to the cause, though.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)from the current administration is not validation of the document.
dkf
(37,305 posts)"But two senior DEA officials defended the program, and said trying to "recreate" an investigative trail is not only legal but a technique that is used almost daily.". (As in possibly yesterday or today mind you)
"The two senior DEA officials, who spoke on behalf of the agency but only on condition of anonymity, said the process is kept secret to protect sources and investigative methods. "Parallel construction is a law enforcement technique we use every day," one official said. "It's decades old, a bedrock concept.""
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805
Maybe you are trying to attack the IRS docs but two senior DEA officials just confirmed this is still in use for the DEA.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Why would they voluntarily give up a tool as valuable as a writ to cheat the defense and lie in court? Same goes for warrantless NSA profiling.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)and ignoring the point I made: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023425612#post8
dkf
(37,305 posts)Is used? Really?!?!?!
Lol. Well if you are that deluded...
ProSense
(116,464 posts)At least you admit that it's happening.
dkf
(37,305 posts)It will be used to challenge the program's constitutionality. I await with baited breath for that instance as does the EFF and the ACLU and any other halfway credible civil liberties organization.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)K
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Important post. Thanks.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)as an egregious *hypothetical* example of how corrupt things could get under an authoritarian surveillance state. Now we not only know it's happening, they have an Orwellian normalizing name for it.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This is the definition of tyranny.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Another reason the DEA needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)I am against it as it is being done here, for sure. But police in every department will use pretext stops to stop a vehicle they have information that may have drugs, the driver have warrants, be drunk, etc.
One example- a bartender at a biker bar would often drop a text if she thought somebody was leaving the bar DUI. No way she could have stopped them in that environment, and had the officers listed her as the informant she would have at a minimum lost her job and not been able to help get more drunks off the road, if not saw repercussions from the clientele there.
So when she reported one they looked for it, watched until they had a good, legitimate reason to initiate a traffic stop, and went from there.
The key was making sure that the reason for the traffic stop was good enough to stand on its own in court.
The big difference here is this was a person voluntarily reporting observations of behavior in a public place, and not info gathered from deep spying on people.
dkf
(37,305 posts)I don't think anyone has a problem with that. It's the government pretending to have anonymous tips when actually it is violating our against unreasonable search and seizure that is the problem. Also the institutional practice of lying and perjuring testimony is outrageous! If the case is based on the agents credibility, they obviously have none.
because I still can!