HANNAH ANDERSON AND ABDUCTOR BELIEVED SPOTTED IN IDAHO; REMAINS OF CHILD OUND IN BOULEVARD FIRE IDEN

[nadinbrzezinski]

August 9, 2013 (San Diego’s East County) – Two major developments have occurred in the search for missing Lakeside children Hannah Anderson, 16, and her brother, Ethan, 8. Tonight, San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore announced that remains found in murder/kidnapping suspect James DiMaggio’s home in Boulevard have been identified as Ethan. The children’s mother, Christina Anderson, was found murdered inside the burned home, the Sheriff has reported.

Earlier today, DiMaggio’s car was positively identified in the rugged Frank Church wilderness area near the River of No Return in Idaho. During a live feed from KTFB in Idaho, Acting Public Information Officer Andrea Reardon of the Valley County Sheriffs Department confirmed that horseback riders “came across a man and a woman near Moorhead Lake” about six miles from where the car was later found. The pair matched the descriptions of DiMaggio and Hannah Anderson.

There was nothing immediately alarming about the encounter, but a witness noted they had both hiking and camping gear. What the witness noticed was “something odd about the interaction.”

http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/13763

[Tx4obama]

1. There's no need to shout

[AverageJoe90]

7. Can't blame her, though, IMO. nt

[xmas74]

107. She just did a cut and paste of the title.

It's all in capitals at the link.

[Ecumenist]

2. I knew that that was that baby...DAMN. DiMaggio deserves to be locked into a house

while it's set on fire. My fear is that he'll abuse Hannah and murder her, before he kills himself because he doesn't have anything to lose.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. The sheriff sounded hopeful

I was there, I sent the sound and all to boss. Don't know why she chose to use channel 10.

But Gore was hopeful...so I will chose to be. Her grand parents and her father don't deserve that.

This is how sick this is...he aso killed and burned the family dog.

[Ecumenist]

4. OMG, Nadin! I have no idea how anyone could do this...WtF kind of person does it take

to do what this MONSTER did? Damn, DAMN, DAMN!

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. I could play psychology...

But it would all be speculation. You had a media gaggle basically asking that before the presser.

All we could come up with, from facts known, and none justifies this...

Depression, loss of job, probable loss of home.

None adds to this. None.

Absolutely none.

[hrmjustin]

6. So sorry to hear this. I hope they can get the girl out alive.

[AverageJoe90]

9. I think we can all share that opinion, my friend. n/t

[liberal_at_heart]

8. That is heartbreaking. They have got to find them soon. The longer this goes on the worse Hannah's

chances are.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. If you all want to help the family

Support Fund for the Anderson Family

We got the information from her aunt, Jennifer Willis

www.wepay.com San Diego Anderson family support fund Anderson family memorial fund #3224408462

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Kick

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Morning update

According to Reardon in an update this morning, "detectives from San Diego are to aproach the vehicle and process it for evidence." Depending on what they find what they do regarding evidence. She also said that Explosive technicians went through the vehicle last night and found it explosives free.

As of now they have 150 people on the ground, but they expect to have 200 personnel by the end of the day. "They are coming from all over the country."

This is a large wilderness area, with trail heads leading into it, "where a traditional grid search pattern is not useful." She added, "cellphone coverage is not something have there.." And they have had no further reports of sightings.

"Ultimately the main goal is to bring Hanna (Anderson) home safely."

[liberal_at_heart]

13. Glad to hear there are so many looking for her. Still thinking of her every day, hoping she is

recovered safely.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Me too...that is a large area...

[ChangeUp106]

15. At first I thought the title started with "hahaha"

Was getting ready to report

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Hey, don't get me started on my present frustrations

I posted since it had sme relevant info...but I am thinking of posting stories here before I file them.

Don't ask.

[GiaGiovanni]

16. It's all turned out to be worst case scenario

That poor little kid and his mom.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. I was not surprised when the Sherifs announced it

Also the family dog. That's how sick this is

[GiaGiovanni]

19. This is a far cry from that little fire we were listening to burning out Sunday night

I can't imagine what the dad is going through right now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. From video it was a very hot fire

There were accelerants. Also I remember telling the boss, explosions heard...well they finally sort of confirmed the explosives in the house

[GiaGiovanni]

30. Explosives with timers?

Or just some kind of makeshift thing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. No word on what

A lot of this is well..sealed

[GiaGiovanni]

32. Sealed? I guess they're afraid that this guy

will kill the teenager.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. No, legally sealed

It will be unsealed when all charges are filed. They have a warrant, and some charges. More are added in a sealed legal complaint, unsealed when they break the seal and add charges to the charging sheet

I am guessing..and it is just a guess...the DA will try death penalty...so two charges of murder in first degree are coming...as well as terrorism, weapons of mass destruction and other charges.

[GiaGiovanni]

48. Death penalty case

that should be a no-brainer

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. I am against it...

But that is another discussion

And he is dead anyway

[GiaGiovanni]

58. Are you against the death penalty in general?

Also, do you think there was more to this case?

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. Yes, I am against it in general

Not just on morality grounds...it is very expensive to implement, and there is always the risk of executing the wrong person...it has happened.

[GiaGiovanni]

61. OK, I can respect that

And as far as expense, you know how the taxpayers are around here. They'll just be happy not to have to pay for a trial. On the other hand, they don't complain nearly as much as they should about paying for unpurchased Chargers tickets. That is true scam.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Second update of the morning...Reardon speaking with Alex Witt

That the search of the car Reardon said that they have evidence collection crews, hoping to lead search crews into "the next best place to begin searching."

As to the size of the search area Reardon added that "this is a 300 square mile area." She added some more granular detail, it is rugged, with a lot of cover, both trees and brush, with steep cliffs in places. It is not accessible to any vehicles. This tough terrain "adds to the challenge of the search."

As to the witness who came across the man and woman in the wilderness, she repeated that while the encounter "was odd" Reardon would not speculate as to what threats might have been made to Hanna by DeMaggio. But now the Aida Sherriffs Office can confirm that it was indeed Anderson and DiMaggio.

[malaise]

33. Hope they find her alive

Damn

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. I went to bed at four, was up at eight, hoping to catch the remote

Just how things work

[warrior1]

22. why are you yelling

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Do me a favor

Go complaint of the style sheet to the editor of the paper.

There is a contact us section there.

I will help you

http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/about

[warrior1]

24. u mad?

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Nope, just gave you the necessary tools

You see, when I post a newspaper article I post as is...warts and all. This is a very old newspaper style sheet. Like it goes to the 30s and 40s...EXTRA, EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT!!!!

More modern style sheets in papers and news organizations have replaced the headline all caps, with the mixed cap you are familiar with. It is indeed shouting, headlines were shouted...

I have explained this here before. If it bothers people so much...contact the editor.

Here, once again...

http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/about

And you could use full sentences, instead of the cutesy, "u mad?"

[warrior1]

26. It's Saturday

you really need to just chill.

Peace man.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Says the one who started this.

Once again

http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/about

[warrior1]

28. I tried.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. I gave you the tools

Once again

http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/about

[pinboy3niner]

50. ECM's style sheet governs only content appearing on that website

Elsewhere, the ECM headline stye does not have to be followed. I don't think they send out the ECM cops if their headline style is violated at DU.

iirc, there is or was one news aggregator that converted headlines from all sources to all caps. Members here generally converted back to uc/lc when posting stories from that aggregator here. It makes a difference in readability, especially when multiple headlines appear together on the LBN or GD page.

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. As I posted above

I do nothing to the article.

Yes, I agree it is an archaic style sheet, but when I post my articles...I do not use that.

If people can't understand it, at this point, after explaining it multiple times...it is quite frankly other's people's problem.

[pinboy3niner]

55. My point is that...

...as a writer for ECM, you obviously are obligated to follow their style sheet when you submit copy to ECM.

For excerpts of ECM articles here, no one--including you--is obligated to conform to ECM's headline style.

I'd suggest that for readability and as a matter of courtesy to other members here, all caps headlines from other sources generally should be converted to uc/lc by the poster for DU.

Please consider doing that. DU does not have a stylesheet specifying all caps.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

59. She is incapable of understanding

that all people want from her is to stop posting shit in all caps. she is trying to be a super-uber-reporter and the ECM 'style sheet' is just an excuse. it's like talking to a brick wall.

sP

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Once again, I do nothing to copy and paste

At this point I will assume people are dense after having that explained multiple times.

If people have such a huge issue, kindly contact the editor.

[pinboy3niner]

74. Copy/past is valid to be faithful to the text of a story

But you can (and should, imo) change all-caps headlines.

We should be faithful to the the original story text when excerpting here, but all-cap headlines should be converted to uc/lc.

We are not bound by the source's headline style rule here, and it's perfectly permissible to change an all-cap headline for readability. What it boils down to is simply a matter of courtesy to the members here.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

75. you and everyone else who has asked her

are apparently asking too much

sP

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. Well, we differ in this, and that is that

[ProdigalJunkMail]

87. yes, you differ in community standards and civility... n/t

[hrmjustin]

88. The title is not the end of the world.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

89. no it's not

but all-caps is generally a no-no on discussion boards... nadin is the only one who consistently uses them in her headlines and i find it comical that she is asked every time to do something about it and she acts like everyone else is the problem. then again, that is her MO so i guess we should let it go...because it's nadin.

sP

[hrmjustin]

90. There are other people who use caps in their OPS and I rarely see people complain.

If people are going to complain about this poster doing it they should complain about the others that do it as well.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

91. and sometimes they do

and some people use all caps to indicate anger or rage and it is appropriate to do so then...not when posting a news headline. in a quick perusal of the first five pages of GD, I see MOST of the all caps are done to exhibit some intense emotion. there are a couple that are what i would consider 'incorrect' usage of all caps... and yes, they should get a dressing-down as well.

sP

[hrmjustin]

92. Yes but they never get complaints, but this poster always does.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

93. i will admit, her obstinence doesn't help

and her frequent belittling of others as somehow not as 'in-the-know' as she is compounds the matter.

sP

[hrmjustin]

94. She gets nasty things said to her. Not a one way street here.

There are many people who get a joy over mocking her or belittling her over her being a journalist.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

95. the sad part is, most of the time, she starts it

go back in time a while and look at her behaviour. as soon as someone disagrees with her she starts flinging shit... telling people they 'just don't get it' and talking down to them. i have seen it with old timers... i have seen it with noobs. hell, it started that way with me. she was just flat out wrong on a point of fact... i pointed it out... and we were off to the races. she is typically insulting. and, after i tried to make peace, she did it again. so, believe what you will, she has brought most of this on herself. it has been a long time in the making...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=2641

sP

[hrmjustin]

98. I can not speak to the past.

If you have an issue with Caps that is fine but I think we need to be consistent with all posters.

And I will remind you she did not address you at all in this post.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

99. and I was not initially talking with her

i was posting in response to another poster... and if i am so inclined to respond to a thread where an all caps title is used 'incorrectly' i will (and have in the past) say something.

sP

[hrmjustin]

100. Yes I just found it and you nwere not exactly nice in your remarks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3444065

[ProdigalJunkMail]

101. thanks for reminding me

and i will stand by my previous remarks as they are factually correct if less than sensitive. you can go police some other corner of the internet now... maybe find someone else who needs your services.

sP

[hrmjustin]

102. Well let me ask you this, if you dislike her so much why haven't you put her on ignore?

[ProdigalJunkMail]

108. i have zero people on my ignore list

i don't hide the opinions of people i disagree with or simply do not like. sometimes they have provocative things to say that make me think...

sP

[hrmjustin]

109. fair enough.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

77. how about YOU be kind to the community you're SUPPOSED to be a part of?

or is that too much to ask? oh, right, you're too busy trying to be uber-reporter. i hope you logged off and read this... hell, if you don't you probably get almost no content as you have the longest 'iggy' list in all of DU.

sP

[Codeine]

103. "Paper" is a rather lofty term for that shitrag. nt

[2naSalit]

36. Nadin

Thanks for posting these updates. I have family in the East County area and I live a few hours' drive from the Frank Church Wilderness. It is indeed large and rugged territory, any number of bad things can happen in such a place especially for those unfamiliar with it. And even for those who are familiar with this area, it is a pretty challenging place to negotiate. I have been there several times and I make plans way ahead of time before venturing out in the wilderness. Sounds like this guy was planning for some time and may have been there before.

I didn't sleep well last night and kept waking up thinking about this... it occurred to me that he may be engaging in a death march of sorts. Seriously, this guy has nothing left to lose at this point so whatever he does from this point on will probably end n his demise, so what (I'm speculating his thought process here) if the girl doesn't survive as long as he gets his thrill for a short term? It would appear that he doesn't have a long term plan if he has gone this far in destroying everything behind them and then heads into a high elevation, northern latitude wilderness in late summer. Sure there are ancient mining claims with possible decaying structures and maybe a few caves to hide in... they are probably inhabited by wildlife... so I can imagine that he has no plan for either of them to last very long. There are health issues that hit quickly like hypothermia and elevation sickness (see that up in my area with tourists from sea level).

Hope they get her out of there safely.

And thanks, again for keeping us informed. (I am seeing news of this originating from Missoula, MT today.)

[liberal_at_heart]

37. oh, don't say that. If he has been planning this he may have an underground shelter set up.

We had a case up here in WA were a guy had set up an underground shelter and was able to hide for a while after killing his family. It takes time to find underground shelters. I sure hope he does not have one.

[2naSalit]

40. Well...

It's really rocky ground, batholith in fact, only underground place he's likely to have to go to would be an old mine shaft (if there are any as much of the mining up there would likely have been surface and river bed type). Most of those kind of "developed" places are mapped. Since they were spotted near a lake it is likely they will be near that or a river and won;t be covering too much ground on a daily basis due to the terrain.

So I can't help but think that such a sick mindset could be having a plan that only goes so far. I don't think they will last long out there. Making it through the fall and winter there is really tough.

Batholith/bathylith:Basically a very large mass of basalt-like material with no detectable floor (bottom). Or a literal sea of lithified magma that extends above and below the surface. It's hard, very dense and sharp. Think Hell's Canyon... this place is a precursor for that. Much of the vegetation is growing out of dirt deposited by wind over thousands of years or more.

For reference:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/river-of-no-return/frank-church-river-of-no-return-wilderness-map/7652/


And:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/river-of-no-return/full-episode/7648/

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Sheriff Gore intimated yesterday that there was some planning

ahead of this... But it is what it is. I now did the story this morning on my own blog before I send it to the overwhelmed boss. Don't ask.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. This is dated, but I am putting it here in full for context due to the extensive quotes

DIMAGGIO’S CAR FOUND IN IDAHO

By

Nadin Abbott

August 9, 2013 (San Diego) According to Sheriff Bill Gore the car belonging to James Lee DiMaggio was found in the Cascade area, about seventy miles north east of Boise Idaho.

“On Wednesday, a group of Horseback riders” came across a man and a woman in a wilderness area, just outside of Cascade Idaho.

According to the Sherriff, “at the time of the encounter they did not know that there was an Amber Alert issued for these two people.” Late Wednesday night, after they came back home and saw news reports, they put it together and contacted authorities.

About eight O’Clock San Diego Time, the blue Nissan Versa was located in the bushes, off road, covered by brush with plates removed. The vehicle ID was obtained through the vehicle Identification Number (VIN).

“The Valley County and Aida County Sheriffs Department, the Idaho State Police, the FBI, the U.S. Marshalls Service, Customs and Border Protection have all joined in the search for the missing Hanna and James DiMaggio.”

He also added, that this is “a wilderness area and extremely difficult terrain to navigate.”

ECM asked about the possibility of another vehicle, and the area is only accessible by foot, or horse. The Sheriff allowed himself to speculate that DiMaggio might have been attempting to hunker down.
The Sheriff also said that the vehicle itself was to be rendered safe by Explosive and bomb Technicians, and that San Diego Sheriffs personnel was en route. The search itself is under the lead of the local law enforcement that obviously knows the terrain better, but homicide detectives and technicians are on the way to gather evidence from the vehicle.

As to planning, Gore said that he “could not confirm” that this happened. He also said that he could not tell us what kind of wilderness training DiMaggio has.

Gore also said that “She was alive on Wednesday and we hope that law enforcement will find them up in the mountains there and return them safely.”

Ethan’s Fate

Gore also said that at this moment the Coroner is still working on the body of the child. They do not have a definite conclusion, and he is still hopeful that Ethan is still alive.

He also talked with Brett Anderson before he came to address the media, and informed them of the latest developments.

Support Fund for the Anderson Family

We got the information from her aunt, Jennifer Willis

Www.wepay.com San Diego Anderson family support fund Anderson family memorial fund #3224408462

Also there is another memorial planned for 6:30 tonight at Lindo Lakes, in Lakeside. According to Willis, that is where near Tina lived

[2naSalit]

41. Most recent

from the region:

http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20130810/NEWS/130819999/harsh-rugged-river-of-no-return-wilderness-is-focus-of-search-for

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Oh lord

[2naSalit]

43. So that and

these...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/08/10/sot-hannah-anderson-friend.cnn.html


http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/08/10/pmt-intv-spanswick-james-dimaggios-possible-motive.cnn.html

Kind of back up my speculations on how this is playing out and the unfortunately likely outcome. And my speculations had come to me prior to seeing all this info I have looked at today.


The friend in the second video seems to doubt that there was a long-term plan (small pack) or that the skills of the perp are elevated enough to carry the two of them for long in that environment.


With any luck she will escape/be found in good health and he will be caught and detained.

Sad and scary.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Sheriff gore refused to answer the question

On wilderness skill set. He is a navy vet, ok CNN was chasing that yesterday, whether he was a navy corpsman...which means he might have baby sat marines. Whether he saw combat or not is also a question, desert storm

I saw those vids last night...and am hoping they find them soon.

[2naSalit]

46. Yeah, me too

I don't think this cad has the skills set to weather a lengthy stay out there. And with the likelihood of elevation sicknes for either of them, things could go south in a hurry. Elevation sickness can be compared to mild to extreme like having the flu, would slow them down considerably, and like the article says, much of the stream and river water has giardia, also makes you dog-assed sick.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. Well. We are off for the day.

[2naSalit]

47. Enjoy what you can...

I have to go to work soon.

[GiaGiovanni]

49. Not good

...

[GiaGiovanni]

51. Shootout, girl safe

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/10/justice/california-amber-alert/index.html

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. We got the text message in the middle of a mountain valley

Tweeting the news out was a challenge.

[GiaGiovanni]

57. Bad cell signal?

?

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. In Descanso, cell signal? What is that?

[GiaGiovanni]

64. LOL!

Ah. Didn't know that's where you were.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Paper event to try to get operating funds

Paper is a non profit.

[GiaGiovanni]

66. Wow, so you have to fund-raise too

You wear a lot of hats over there.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. I show up at events

Yesterday we were showing off the gear we take to fires...and talking with readers.

Thankfully, nope I don't do the fundraising. But I got a tasty meal yesterday.

[GiaGiovanni]

68. So you're the floor show. :)

What did they feed you?

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. We had BBQ eat, beans taters and salad

It was good food.

[GiaGiovanni]

70. Yum!

Catered, I hope?

Do the readers donate or are there large organizations that do? Do you get grants?

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. Readers, grants...just like yes...KPBS.

[GiaGiovanni]

73. You have a full time grant writer?

It sounds like that would be helpful.

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. I think so

I work there...

[liberal_at_heart]

56. oh, thank goodness.

[arely staircase]

71. "his alleged captive"

jeez that drives me nuts. he isn't charged with a crime. he is dead, shot by the FBI while they were rescuing his actual captive. there is no alleged anything. it is right to use that term when people are charged with specific offenses because they are innocent until proven guilty, but that isn't the case here.

[malaise]

76. Agreed n/t

[Orrex]

78. Well, why not call him the assassin of President Lincoln, then?

it is right to use that term when people are charged with specific offenses because they are innocent until proven guilty,

Strictly speaking, is it not appropriate to use that term until admission of guilt or conviction of the crime?

Does the fact that the was killed mean that he was automatically guilty of the crime?



Don't get me wrong--I'm confident, based on all available information, that he committed the murders, arson, and kidnapping that are attributed to him, but what do we do in less clear-cut situations?

[arely staircase]

79. can we call JW Booth the assassin of Lincoln?

he was never even arrested.

[Orrex]

80. One thing at a time

Legal standards of the time differed rather markedly from today's, wouldn't you agree?

We can certainly revisit any number of cases from 150 years ago, but in the mean time we're probably better off deferring to the investigations performed at the time.


More currently, what is the difference between an alleged criminal and an alleged criminal who is slain? Does his slaying mean that he definitely committed the crime as alleged?

In itself, why should the criminal's death serve to remove all doubt of guilt?

[arely staircase]

81. because the girl was with him I can reasonably infer she was his captive

now on to Booth. Must I call him the alleged assassin of Lincoln?

[Orrex]

83. You can reasonably infer that, sure. I'm doing the same thing.

But it is still appropriate for the media and law enforcement to refer to him as the alleged kidnapper.

[arely staircase]

84. they referred to her as his "alleged captive"

and media fuck this up all the time. i once heard a meat puppet refer to the "alleged death" of a murder victim. the girl was a captive. there has been a manhunt to find her. the manhunt found her. no alleged necesary. now answer my question. if CNN made reference to Booth, do you think they should hve to use the "alleged" qualifier?

[Orrex]

97. Haven't seen the report

Can't comment on the "alleged death," which I agree is pretty bone-headed.

Also can't comment on Booth. If he were gunned down today, it would be appropriate to refer to him as the alleged shooter until after all the facts are known. If he were taken alive, then it would be right to call him the suspect, the alleged shooter and (after trial), the convicted killer. I'm sorry that you find this distasteful, but that's how it goes.


Regardless of the circumstances of the current case, has there never been a example of apparent abduction that later turned out not to be what it seemed?



I'm not greatly invested in this sad case, so I can't offer too much else other than to say that this kind of terminology is extremely common and much-lampooned.

[Raksha]

82. Thank you for staying on top of this story, Nadin.

I read the East County Magazine link in your OP on your Facebook page last night, and came here to read the backstory and latest developments. I knew they'd be here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

96. You welcome

[GiaGiovanni]

104. Nadin's been on this one since the fire Sunday night

That was at the house in Boulevard before the fire department knew that there was anyone in the house.

[Regret A Vet]

105. UPDATE?

I can't find the update!

[nadinbrzezinski]

106. Kid was rescued yesterday

Demaggio is dead.

[sad-cafe]

111. did they find them in Mexico like you knew?

I haven't been keeping up

[bigwillq]

110. Glad the girl was found.

I still don't get why some of these stories become national news and others don't.