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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 06:48 PM Aug 2013

WOW... 'The NSA-DEA Police State Tango' - Salon

The NSA-DEA police state tango
This week's DEA bombshell shows us how the drug war and the terror war have poisoned our justice system

BY ANDREW O'HEHIR - Salon
8/10/13

<snip>

So the paranoid hippie pot dealer you knew in college was right all along: The feds really were after him. In the latest post-Snowden bombshell about the extent and consequences of government spying, we learned from Reuters reporters this week that a secret branch of the DEA called the Special Operations Division – so secret that nearly everything about it is classified, including the size of its budget and the location of its office — has been using the immense pools of data collected by the NSA, CIA, FBI and other intelligence agencies to go after American citizens for ordinary drug crimes. Law enforcement agencies, meanwhile, have been coached to conceal the existence of the program and the source of the information by creating what’s called a “parallel construction,” a fake or misleading trail of evidence. So no one in the court system – not the defendant or the defense attorney, not even the prosecutor or the judge – can ever trace the case back to its true origins.

On one hand, we all knew more revelations were coming, and the idea that the government would go after drug suspects with the same dubious extrajudicial methods used to pursue terrorism suspects is a classic and not terribly surprising example of mission creep. Both groups have been held up as bogeymen for years, in order to scare the public into accepting ever nastier and more repressive laws. This gives government officials another chance to talk to us in their stern grown-up voices about how this isn’t civics class, and sometimes they have to bend the rules to catch Really Bad People.

On the other hand, this is a genuinely sinister turn of events with a whiff of science-fiction nightmare, one that has sounded loud alarm bells for many people in the mainstream legal world. Nancy Gertner, a Harvard Law professor who spent 18 years as a federal judge and cannot be accused of being a radical, told Reuters she finds the DEA story more troubling than anything in Edward Snowden’s NSA leaks. It’s the first clear evidence that the “special rules” and disregard for constitutional law that have characterized the hunt for so-called terrorists have crept into the domestic criminal justice system on a significant scale. “It sounds like they are phonying up investigations,” she said. Maybe this is how a police state comes to America: Not with a bang, but with a parallel construction.


<And...>

From the outset, there have been moral, philosophical and technological connections between the war on drugs and the war on terror. Both campaigns involve the unprecedented expansion of executive power and the use of high-tech paramilitary policing. Both involve “adjusting” our supposedly cherished constitutional rights and privileges in the name of protecting us from evil. Both involve targets that are easy to demonize and marginalize, and both embody troubling questions about race, class and power. Most important of all, both conflicts are immensely expensive and shockingly self-destructive. If these parallel wars had been designed to fail – designed to create a state of permanent crisis, empower and enrich a caste of warrior-bureaucrats and undercut constitutional democracy – they could hardly have been designed more perfectly.


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More: http://www.salon.com/2013/08/10/the_nsa_dea_police_state_tango/singleton/




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WOW... 'The NSA-DEA Police State Tango' - Salon (Original Post) WillyT Aug 2013 OP
But! But! They're spying on & busting wheelchair-bound cancer grannies to KEEP YOU SAFE! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #1
I looked everywhere for this chart last week! Thanks! nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #28
Years ago RainDog Aug 2013 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #4
I for one am totally shocked truebluegreen Aug 2013 #7
They finally cornered granny with those pot brownies. Rex Aug 2013 #3
Granny can't run. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #5
Nonsense, she is in a fortified apparatus and holding up signs of Satan. Rex Aug 2013 #6
K & R FU 2 DEA n/t 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #8
Land of the Free, don'tcha know? AzDar Aug 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #10
Kick And Recommend cantbeserious Aug 2013 #11
Geeezus, talk about a tough turd to polish. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #12
Deep History bucolic_frolic Aug 2013 #13
This: blackspade Aug 2013 #14
Yep... WillyT Aug 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #17
This sickens me. Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #16
kick Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #18
R.I.P America - you were a nice idea while you lasted - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #19
United Police States of America johnnyreb Aug 2013 #20
LA LA LA Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #21
LOL !!! - Morning Kick !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #23
A must read. jsr Aug 2013 #22
No one needs a surveillance apparatus this large for "terrorists." DirkGently Aug 2013 #24
DURec, because it is important that America starts connecting these dots. bvar22 Aug 2013 #25
I'm glad some writer finally mentioned: Trillo Aug 2013 #26
Perfect system, set up to protect big time Dealers! Octafish Aug 2013 #27
K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #29

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
1. But! But! They're spying on & busting wheelchair-bound cancer grannies to KEEP YOU SAFE!
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 06:52 PM
Aug 2013
deprive criminal defendants of the venerable common-law right to examine and challenge the evidence against them. He also makes the broader point that the NSA’s enormous trove of surveillance data has provoked an “unquenchable thirst for access” among other law enforcement agencies, whose leaders imagine all the wonderful things they could do with it.


Really. Shocking, like, totally.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
2. Years ago
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 06:58 PM
Aug 2013

a lawyer told me, when Bush was in office and a bunch of people were sitting around talking about the Patriot Act, etc., that the War on Drugs had long ago undermined constitutional protections for Americans - he said the War on Drugs was the most dangerous, anti-American policy to come along in a long time.

Looks like he was right.

Response to RainDog (Reply #2)

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
7. I for one am totally shocked
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 07:17 PM
Aug 2013

that the War on Drugs was Tricky Dick's idea in the first place.

It was all about Law 'n' Order doncha know.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. They finally cornered granny with those pot brownies.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 07:02 PM
Aug 2013

Her 70 years of life finally became too much of a threat. SO IT IS TRUE - just because you are paranoid, still does not mean they aren't out to get you!

Run granny! The DEA just pulled up in a tank!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. Nonsense, she is in a fortified apparatus and holding up signs of Satan.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 07:12 PM
Aug 2013

Hence the need for a tank, a swat team and several other guys looking cool in military garb. I think it is the DHSDEAFBIATF department.

Response to AzDar (Reply #9)

bucolic_frolic

(55,136 posts)
13. Deep History
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 09:43 PM
Aug 2013

Seems to me all this stuff has a rich heritage.

From Pinkerton's to the Red Scare all the way to Andy Grove,
former Intel CEO who wrote a book called "Only the Paranoid
Survive."

Maybe even the Alien and Sedition Acts, the first U.S. attempt
at suppressing dissent.

Anyone ever heard of Fries' Rebellion? President John Adams
pardoned Fries.

http://www.jamesmannartfarm.com/friesreb1.html

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
14. This:
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 10:25 PM
Aug 2013
From the outset, there have been moral, philosophical and technological connections between the war on drugs and the war on terror. Both campaigns involve the unprecedented expansion of executive power and the use of high-tech paramilitary policing. Both involve “adjusting” our supposedly cherished constitutional rights and privileges in the name of protecting us from evil. Both involve targets that are easy to demonize and marginalize, and both embody troubling questions about race, class and power. Most important of all, both conflicts are immensely expensive and shockingly self-destructive. If these parallel wars had been designed to fail – designed to create a state of permanent crisis, empower and enrich a caste of warrior-bureaucrats and undercut constitutional democracy – they could hardly have been designed more perfectly.

Response to blackspade (Reply #14)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
21. LA LA LA
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:28 AM
Aug 2013


Yr just doing this because you lurv Ed Snowden Waaaaaaah and you never likeeeed Obama anyway I bet sniff sniff

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
24. No one needs a surveillance apparatus this large for "terrorists."
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:42 PM
Aug 2013

There are probably more people in the U.S. right now working in the new surveillance state, than have ever been in Al Quaeda.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
25. DURec, because it is important that America starts connecting these dots.
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:51 PM
Aug 2013

"They" are in the final stages of stealing what little wealth is left in our Middle/Working Class, and Closing the Gates (eliminating the "Social" Programs and erasing the last vestiges of The New Deal).

I always believed that before we got to this point,
the Lower Levels of the Police Departments would realize which side they should be fighting for and join with their friends & neighbors in Common Cause,
but I have given up that hope.

After watching the violent suppression of OWS,
I realized that there will ALWAYS be many submissive Lap Dogs of the Rich & Powerful
who will gun down their neighbor's children
for the scraps & crumbs that fall off the Rich Man's Table and,
more importantly, a quick pat on the head from the BIG POWERFUL RICH MAN.

They don't seem to realize that they will NEVER be allowed to sit at that table or swim in THAT pool. They are not even seen as people by the 1%,
who will STEAL their pathetic pensions and benefits too,
while patting them on the head and smiling at them!!!

The above is TRUE in Politics as well as Police Departments.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
26. I'm glad some writer finally mentioned:
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 04:26 PM
Aug 2013
This gives government officials another chance to talk to us in their stern grown-up voices about how this isn’t civics class, and sometimes they have to bend the rules to catch Really Bad People.


Bipolar much?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
27. Perfect system, set up to protect big time Dealers!
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:03 PM
Aug 2013


Parallel Construction means never having to finger the ultimate source of the info in sooooo many ways.
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