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The NSA-DEA police state tangoThis week's DEA bombshell shows us how the drug war and the terror war have poisoned our justice system
BY ANDREW O'HEHIR - Salon
8/10/13
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On one hand, we all knew more revelations were coming, and the idea that the government would go after drug suspects with the same dubious extrajudicial methods used to pursue terrorism suspects is a classic and not terribly surprising example of mission creep. Both groups have been held up as bogeymen for years, in order to scare the public into accepting ever nastier and more repressive laws. This gives government officials another chance to talk to us in their stern grown-up voices about how this isnt civics class, and sometimes they have to bend the rules to catch Really Bad People.
On the other hand, this is a genuinely sinister turn of events with a whiff of science-fiction nightmare, one that has sounded loud alarm bells for many people in the mainstream legal world. Nancy Gertner, a Harvard Law professor who spent 18 years as a federal judge and cannot be accused of being a radical, told Reuters she finds the DEA story more troubling than anything in Edward Snowdens NSA leaks. Its the first clear evidence that the special rules and disregard for constitutional law that have characterized the hunt for so-called terrorists have crept into the domestic criminal justice system on a significant scale. It sounds like they are phonying up investigations, she said. Maybe this is how a police state comes to America: Not with a bang, but with a parallel construction.
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Really. Shocking, like, totally.

Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)a lawyer told me, when Bush was in office and a bunch of people were sitting around talking about the Patriot Act, etc., that the War on Drugs had long ago undermined constitutional protections for Americans - he said the War on Drugs was the most dangerous, anti-American policy to come along in a long time.
Looks like he was right.
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truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)that the War on Drugs was Tricky Dick's idea in the first place.
It was all about Law 'n' Order doncha know.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Her 70 years of life finally became too much of a threat. SO IT IS TRUE - just because you are paranoid, still does not mean they aren't out to get you!
Run granny! The DEA just pulled up in a tank!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That's what makes their job so much easier.

Rex
(65,616 posts)Hence the need for a tank, a swat team and several other guys looking cool in military garb. I think it is the DHSDEAFBIATF department.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Response to AzDar (Reply #9)
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cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I have no doubt some will try, though.
bucolic_frolic
(55,136 posts)Seems to me all this stuff has a rich heritage.
From Pinkerton's to the Red Scare all the way to Andy Grove,
former Intel CEO who wrote a book called "Only the Paranoid
Survive."
Maybe even the Alien and Sedition Acts, the first U.S. attempt
at suppressing dissent.
Anyone ever heard of Fries' Rebellion? President John Adams
pardoned Fries.
http://www.jamesmannartfarm.com/friesreb1.html
blackspade
(10,056 posts)From the outset, there have been moral, philosophical and technological connections between the war on drugs and the war on terror. Both campaigns involve the unprecedented expansion of executive power and the use of high-tech paramilitary policing. Both involve adjusting our supposedly cherished constitutional rights and privileges in the name of protecting us from evil. Both involve targets that are easy to demonize and marginalize, and both embody troubling questions about race, class and power. Most important of all, both conflicts are immensely expensive and shockingly self-destructive. If these parallel wars had been designed to fail designed to create a state of permanent crisis, empower and enrich a caste of warrior-bureaucrats and undercut constitutional democracy they could hardly have been designed more perfectly.
WillyT
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Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)johnnyreb
(915 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)
Yr just doing this because you lurv Ed Snowden Waaaaaaah
WillyT
(72,631 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)There are probably more people in the U.S. right now working in the new surveillance state, than have ever been in Al Quaeda.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)"They" are in the final stages of stealing what little wealth is left in our Middle/Working Class, and Closing the Gates (eliminating the "Social" Programs and erasing the last vestiges of The New Deal).
I always believed that before we got to this point,
the Lower Levels of the Police Departments would realize which side they should be fighting for and join with their friends & neighbors in Common Cause,
but I have given up that hope.
After watching the violent suppression of OWS,
I realized that there will ALWAYS be many submissive Lap Dogs of the Rich & Powerful
who will gun down their neighbor's children
for the scraps & crumbs that fall off the Rich Man's Table and,
more importantly, a quick pat on the head from the BIG POWERFUL RICH MAN.
They don't seem to realize that they will NEVER be allowed to sit at that table or swim in THAT pool. They are not even seen as people by the 1%,
who will STEAL their pathetic pensions and benefits too,
while patting them on the head and smiling at them!!!
The above is TRUE in Politics as well as Police Departments.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)Bipolar much?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Parallel Construction means never having to finger the ultimate source of the info in sooooo many ways.