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The NSA is turning the internet into a total surveillance systemNow we know all Americans' international email is searched and saved, we can see how far the 'collect it all' mission has gone
Alexander Abdo and Patrick Toomey - theguardian.com
Sunday 11 August 2013 09.00 EDT
That is not how the fourth amendment works.
Whether the NSA inspects and retains these messages for years, or only searches through them once before moving on, the invasion of Americans' privacy is real and immediate. There is no "five-second rule" for fourth amendment violations: the US constitution does not excuse these bulk searches simply because they happen in the blink of an eye.
That principle of pre-emptive surveillance threatens to subvert the most basic protections of the fourth amendment, which generally prohibit the government from conducting suspicion-less fishing expeditions through our private affairs. If the government is correct that it can search our every communication in case we say or type something suspicious, there is little to prevent the NSA from converting the internet into a tool of pervasive surveillance.
More: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/11/nsa-internet-surveillance-email
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)wink, wink.
TxGrandpa
(124 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)"In the novel 1984, every television set could not only watch what a person was doing int heir house, but it could also listen to and interact with that person as well. A similar television can also be found in Fahrenheit 451. Today, Samsung has accomplished this task in a new line of televisions already in stores.
"Samsungs 2012 top-of-the-line plasmas and LED HDTVs offer new features never before available within a television including a built-in, internally wired HD camera, twin microphones, face tracking and speech recognition. While these features give you unprecedented control over an HDTV, the devices themselves, more similar than ever to a personal computer, may allow hackers or even Samsung to see and hear you and your family, and collect extremely personal data.
"While Web cameras and Internet connectivity are not new to HDTVs, their complete integration is, and its the always connected camera and microphones, combined with the option of third-party apps (not to mention Samsungs own software) gives us cause for concern regarding the privacy of TV buyers and their friends and families.
http://www.lossofprivacy.com/index.php/2012/03/samsungs-new-tvs-bring-big-brother-closer/
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Wonderful people, The Romans.

Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)BlueManFan
(256 posts)gee....I love this place!!!!!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)...is being used for...
Big aliminum
no doubt
formercia
(18,479 posts)The 'Internet' as we know it is not that old. In prior Years, before the WWW and Telnet it had been a Classified Govenment communication Network to link Government Contractors, Universities doing Government Research. I can remember, back in the 60's, when working for Raytheon, making Missiles, the weekly visit by Army snuffies to change the Key Cards in the Crypto Equipment that connected the facility to the Net.
So, why did the Government turn a Classified asset into a Public Playground? The thought it would make a good Intelligence Collection Tool, considering all of the Anti-War and Race Riots going on at the Time.
It was the Plan from the very beginning. Always has been, always will be. Folks are just now waking up to the facts.
Welcome to the Real World, Neo.........
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Exactly what part of the concept: ''New World Order'' do people not understand!?!?!
To have a New World Order, first you have to have control of a world.
How do you do that?, you might ask.
Why it's simple really. You get into everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY's business.
Like, say.... their email. Their credit accounts. Their bank accounts. Their sex lives. Their tax haven accounts. Their hideaways, cutbacks and rabbit holes. Their DNA. Their water rights. Their energy needs. THEIR EVERYTHING.
Kinda like where we are right now.
- Once you have your new world, next comes the order part.....
K&R

JohnnyRingo
(20,864 posts)What's the point of posting something, or even for that matter sending a communication, if no one should see it?
The point it reaches unconstitutionality is when the govt prosecutes without a warrant. Otherwise one may as well complain that bad people are listening in on their CB radio chatter.
Don't want anyone eavesdropping? Put aside the Blackberry, iPhone, and laptop. Stop using Facebook, Twitter, and Outlook Express to broadcast your activities and mail an old fashioned letter. Demanding 21st century convenience with 19th century privacy is maybe a little too demanding.
Next, drivers will freak out when they naively discover OnStar keeps track of where they've been and how fast they were going at the time of an accident. If this is unacceptable, opt out. Indeed, opt out of every wireless telecom device and you can party like it's 1899.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)JohnnyRingo
(20,864 posts)2008 - present: "Oh my GOD, they hear and read everything, even my vacation plans and why I took the dog to the vet!".
That's why back in the '70s I could routinely make drug deals on the phone without any fear of government intervention. hahaha
RC
(25,592 posts)E-mails are suppose to be private. One sender and only the ones it is addressed to should see it. , phone calls are point to point. Same for video conferences. Otherwise why log in? How does Tritter, Face book, etc., equate to a private communications between two people? Those don't. But E-mails do.
There are laws concerning reading other people's E-mails. Conviction of which can be expensive and even include jail time.
Don't confuse message boards (such as DU), blogs, publicly available web pages, with private communications.
JohnnyRingo
(20,864 posts)...were you really sending emails assuming they were 100% secure? Be honest.
Thirty years ago did you talk on a cordless phone and know your conversation was iron clad private and protected from prying ears? You would have been a miserable failure at drug dealing.
Welcome to the world of 20th century technology visitor.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for proper channels for survelience, but you will never, ever, ever be sure no one will monitor communications that bounce off a tower and gets tranmsmitted to a satellite and to another wireless device. Adapt your behavior accordingly.
There is nothing you can do, and no one you can ever elect to insure total privacy. I guess stating outrage on an internet forum helps.
RC
(25,592 posts)Nothing is 100%. But it does not take 100%, 100% of the time to be reasonably assured of your communications being private. Just because it can be done, does not mean it is... Or even should be.
To me, it sounds like you are excusing the NSA and their ilk. Also you do not seem understand how the various types of communications work and their differences. I have been in various communications fields since 1966. You?
JohnnyRingo
(20,864 posts)I'm not trusting them to avoid a temptation that will be available to them until the end of the Earth.
Some think if only stricter privacy laws are passed we can breathe a sigh of relief and be assured that all communications are secure. That ship sailed soon after Edison told Watson he needs him.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)There is also a big difference between public and private information.
But don't let thre privacy pirates fool you, the internet is NOT inherently insecure/not private... otherwise we would not have such a thing as eCommerce, for example.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)same deal
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Get it right.