FDA bans gay men from donating blood, tissue & organs. So are we on the way to a new holocaust?

[HiPointDem]

Blood Donations from Men Who Have Sex with Other Men Questions and Answers

What is FDA's policy on blood donations from men who have sex with other men?

Men who have had sex with other men (MSM), at any time since 1977 (the beginning of the AIDS epidemic in the United States) are currently deferred as blood donors. This is because MSM are, as a group, at increased risk for HIV, hepatitis B and certain other infections that can be transmitted by transfusion.

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/bloodbloodproducts/questionsaboutblood/ucm108186.htm

The gay male blood donor controversy refers to the dispute over prohibitions on donations of blood or tissue for organ transplants from gay and bisexual men. The restrictions target men who have sex with men (MSM), a classification of men who engage (or have engaged in the past) in sex with other men, regardless of whether they identify themselves as gay, bisexual, or otherwise. Opposition to the prohibition is most frequently addressed in terms of gay men. The MSM group, which includes gay men, is considered to be at high risk for HIV/AIDS since the AIDS pandemic was first identified in gay communities. MSM are also at high risk for some types of hepatitis and syphilis.... Critics of many of the bans claim these policies are not supported by medical science.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_male_blood_donor_controversy

A controversy instigated by the international LGBT community has accused a leading Russian TV anchor of homophobia and forced him to explain himself. Speaking about “burning hearts of gays,” the host was actually referring to regulations of America’s FDA.

Many LGBT-oriented internet communities worldwide were up in arms about Dmitry Kiselev, accusing him of saying gay people “should be banned from donating blood, sperm,” and that “their hearts, in case of an automobile accident, should be buried in the ground or burned as unsuitable for the continuation of life.”

Naturally, the LGBT community in Russia and - to a much greater degree - in the US, speculated that Kiselev was actually encouraging the Russian public to kill gays and burn their hearts.

The incident took place on April 4, 2012 when TV anchor and deputy director of leading government channel Russia 1 Dmitry Kiselev made a statement on his Historic Process show, in an edition dedicated to homosexual propaganda to minors in Russia.

During the program, Kiselev was advocating strict regulation of any same-sex activities among teenagers. One of the phrases he uttered in this show somehow suddenly came to the attention of the LGBT community in Russia and abroad more than a year later, becoming a black mark for the host.

A word for word translation of the ‘homophobic’ phrase should be as follows:

“I believe that imposing fines on gays for homosexual propaganda to minors is insufficient. They should be prohibited from donating blood, sperm and, in the case of a [fatal] road accident, their hearts should be either buried or cremated as unsuitable for the prolongation of anybody’s life,” Kiselev said.

In a recent interview to Izvestia daily Dmitry Kiselev has finally explained what he meant by the controversial phrase...

He pointed out that the Russian public actually failed to understand that in 2012 he was speaking about legal medical practices in the Russian Federation that unfortunately are still lagging behind internationally-recognized organ donation legislation.

“This is internationally-recognized practice and I called for nothing unusual. This is a norm in the US, Europe, Japan, in the Arab countries – practically everywhere, but not in Russia.”

http://rt.com/news/homophobia-russian-tv-fda-msm-389/

[NoOneMan]

1. New holocaust?

That seems hyperbolic. Canada had this policy for years while also allowing gay marriage. They just revised it this May. No gays dead in furnaces there.

[cali]

2. what the hell? this is, at best, ill advised

but frankly, it comes across as minimizing the oppressive atmosphere and codification of oppression taking place in Russia and excusing the vile, bigoted comments of Kiselev.

You really are showing a very ugly pattern of posting about GLBT matters.

[Violet_Crumble]

26. +1000 n/t

[arely staircase]

211. thank you, cali. nt

[joeybee12]

232. Ill advised? It's sickening...

I wonder if anyone alerted on this garbage OP

[enlightenment]

3. I'll second cali's comment.

What, precisely, are you trying to do with this post? Inform or incite?

[MineralMan]

4. He is a homophobe.

Period. There is no defense for his statements. Consider self deletion of your post, please.

[William769]

27. You hit the nail right on the fucking head!

[cali]

5. Jury results:

3-3.

so this ugly minimization of flat out disgusting bigotry stays up.

Shameful.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

73. Was TOS marked? Admins see it anyway if so.

You never know.....

[Vanje]

79. It was when I alerted!

Yes, Indeed!

[Starry Messenger]

109. You can still alert and mark the TOS.

I did.

[hrmjustin]

128. Yes I was the original alerter and marked the tos button.

[arely staircase]

213. thank you for alerting on that, justin

I literally felt ill reading it.

[yardwork]

6. I see that you are up to your old tricks. /nt

[Rex]

271. Not anymore.

Sad it took this long.

[MNBrewer]

7. Your post just REEKS of ignorance

Some countries have lifted their blanket bans on MSM donations of blood, and we're headed in that direction.

PLUS, if we had the political structure that Russia has currently when those bans were put in place here in the US, do you really doubt that we would have had an anti-homosexual pogrom? There were calls for tattooing HIV positive people so that they could be visibly identified by the general public. There were calls to quarantine gay men to "protect" the nation from them.

It didn't happen here during the height of the HIV crisis, but the current moves in Russia aren't motivated by HIV, they're purely anti-homosexual, PERIOD! This law against "propaganda" isn't about HIV at all. It's about banning homosexuals from claiming equality, or even saying "I'm gay and i'm OK!"

[arely staircase]

212. I remember the tattoo/quarantine stuff

William F. Buckley I belive.

[theHandpuppet]

8. You should be ashamed

As should anyone who voted to let this homophobic tripe stand.

[TDale313]

9. +1000

[theHandpuppet]

11. I guess when it comes to insults and vitriol hurled at GLBTs

The sky's the limit. It's open season. I've been a member of DU for over 10 years and I've never seen homophobic crap be allowed on this forum to the extent it is now. I'm thoroughly disgusted.

[TDale313]

12. Yeah, homophobia and misogyny

Have been getting worse on DU lately. Or at least more blatant. And the jury system does not seem equipped to deal with it.

[theHandpuppet]

14. Agreed

They go hand in hand, most times anyway, so it's not surprising to see an increase in both. I took a hiatus from DU for a while when I thought the situation had gotten really ugly a few years ago, only to find upon my return that the tolerance for misogyny and homophobia had gotten WORSE, not better. Does not bode well for the future of this board.

[cali]

10. for sure.

[cali]

13. That you haven't self-deleted this, speaks volumes.

the more I reflect on your post, the more obvious it is that it's an endorsement of homophobia. And you have a history.

[joshcryer]

195. This was my favorite comment of yours last time:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1211325&mesg_id=1211475

Ironically, this time is no different, the OP consists almost entirely of an RT article (which appears to some as her own writing). All she did was title the post. The rest is RT's apologia for homophobia. Had she actually explained her ill thought out view (probably that because the US was bad we shouldn't be attacking Russia; this view is easily demolished since the US is moving in a better direction while Russia is regressing).

[cali]

202. what on earth are you talking about?

that's wasn't about homophobia or bigotry. That thread was a tombstone dancing thread from over 2 years ago. someone said this:

Shit. Smartest person on DU.

Big loss. Another Liberal down.

and I responded with this:

49. I don't see how one could tell. she never posted her own thoughts

[joshcryer]

203. Pay attention.

What I said can be understood if you know what's going on.

[cali]

204. oh for pity's sake. whatever you're trying to do? FAIL

of a giant sort.

[joshcryer]

205. OP got banned.

OP is the same poster that got banned before when you made that comment.

[hrmjustin]

15. I do not know why you wrote this but it is not a shining moment for you or DU. Please remove it.

[leftstreet]

17. I think it's meant as an ironic response to a previous OP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023442537

I could be wrong

[hrmjustin]

18. It is in poor taste.

[kestrel91316]

21. It is facetious in a most nasty, meanspirited way.

[cali]

23. surely you don't think that's a valid excuse for this endorsement of homophobia?

that this is a response actually makes it worse.

Shameful and inexcusable.

[leftstreet]

277. I said nothing about excuses

Calm the fuck down

The member above asked why this was posted

I wondered that myself

Then I remembered a similar post and figured it was in response to that

Is that okay with you?

[William769]

28. Your wrong. This person How shall I put this delicately? Well has a history.

[HiPointDem]

123. yes, it is. OP characterized russian tv personalities comments saying a similar law should be

instituted in russia as violently homophobic & leading to a new holocaust.

so if the US *already* has such a law, then we too must be characterized similarly.

[William769]

125. Where the fuck in your tripe does it say to burn the organs?

Thats just one. But we all already know the answer.

[msanthrope]

127. So you're back, defending the indefensible...awesome! nt

[joeybee12]

233. You're wrong, Im sure...it's blatant ignorance and baiting...

Why it has been allowed to stand is appalling.

[Starry Messenger]

16. wtf?

You should really delete this.

[Yo_Mama]

19. My understanding is that MSM are eligible for organ donation

I believed they changed the advisory regs to indicate closer testing, that's all.

I think that Russian guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

[kestrel91316]

20. You are a complete disgrace to DU and should hang your head in shame.

[cali]

24. I am not inclined to let this stinkbomb of an op sink and be forgotten

which is clearly what the poster wants- having quickly and oh so NOT bravely hit and run.

disgusting.

[kestrel91316]

136. We need to keep it kicked so people have to keep looking at it and

more and more will know about him.

[dionysus]

35. +1000

[hrmjustin]

25. You really should self delete this.

[William769]

29. To all in this thread. Keep kicking it for transparency sake.

[cali]

30. yep. this cannot and should not go down the memory hole.

inexcusable.

[MNBrewer]

33. Kick

[William769]

39. I'll see your kick & raise you one.

[MNBrewer]

49. Wheeeee!!!!

This is fun!

[msanthrope]

55. Rings a bell, yes? nt

[Capt. Obvious]

220. Let's go one better - let's get it on the Greatest Page

[dionysus]

31. your OP is a piece of shit. nt.

[NuclearDem]

32. Well, this was clearly a good idea.

[Bobbie Jo]

34. Seriously?

Disgusting post.

[cherokeeprogressive]

36. Get Back!

To the top.

[ck4829]

37. "buried or cremated", sounds like something out of a zombie movie, it's unfortunate this is serious

[one_voice]

38. Original OP in case of self delete:

FDA bans gay men from donating blood, tissue & organs. So are we on the way to a new holocaust?

Blood Donations from Men Who Have Sex with Other Men Questions and Answers

What is FDA's policy on blood donations from men who have sex with other men?

Men who have had sex with other men (MSM), at any time since 1977 (the beginning of the AIDS epidemic in the United States) are currently deferred as blood donors. This is because MSM are, as a group, at increased risk for HIV, hepatitis B and certain other infections that can be transmitted by transfusion.

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/bloodbloodproducts/questionsaboutblood/ucm108186.htm

The gay male blood donor controversy refers to the dispute over prohibitions on donations of blood or tissue for organ transplants from gay and bisexual men. The restrictions target men who have sex with men (MSM), a classification of men who engage (or have engaged in the past) in sex with other men, regardless of whether they identify themselves as gay, bisexual, or otherwise. Opposition to the prohibition is most frequently addressed in terms of gay men. The MSM group, which includes gay men, is considered to be at high risk for HIV/AIDS since the AIDS pandemic was first identified in gay communities. MSM are also at high risk for some types of hepatitis and syphilis.... Critics of many of the bans claim these policies are not supported by medical science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_male_blood_donor_controversy

A controversy instigated by the international LGBT community has accused a leading Russian TV anchor of homophobia and forced him to explain himself. Speaking about “burning hearts of gays,” the host was actually referring to regulations of America’s FDA.

Many LGBT-oriented internet communities worldwide were up in arms about Dmitry Kiselev, accusing him of saying gay people “should be banned from donating blood, sperm,” and that “their hearts, in case of an automobile accident, should be buried in the ground or burned as unsuitable for the continuation of life.”

Naturally, the LGBT community in Russia and - to a much greater degree - in the US, speculated that Kiselev was actually encouraging the Russian public to kill gays and burn their hearts.

The incident took place on April 4, 2012 when TV anchor and deputy director of leading government channel Russia 1 Dmitry Kiselev made a statement on his Historic Process show, in an edition dedicated to homosexual propaganda to minors in Russia.

During the program, Kiselev was advocating strict regulation of any same-sex activities among teenagers. One of the phrases he uttered in this show somehow suddenly came to the attention of the LGBT community in Russia and abroad more than a year later, becoming a black mark for the host.

A word for word translation of the ‘homophobic’ phrase should be as follows:

“I believe that imposing fines on gays for homosexual propaganda to minors is insufficient. They should be prohibited from donating blood, sperm and, in the case of a road accident, their hearts should be either buried or cremated as unsuitable for the prolongation of anybody’s life,” Kiselev said.

In a recent interview to Izvestia daily Dmitry Kiselev has finally explained what he meant by the controversial phrase...

He pointed out that the Russian public actually failed to understand that in 2012 he was speaking about legal medical practices in the Russian Federation that unfortunately are still lagging behind internationally-recognized organ donation legislation.


“This is internationally-recognized practice and I called for nothing unusual. This is a norm in the US, Europe, Japan, in the Arab countries – practically everywhere, but not in Russia.”

http://rt.com/news/homophobia-russian-tv-fda-msm-389/

[hrmjustin]

40. Great thanks.

[one_voice]

41. my thoughts on the OP...

[hrmjustin]

42. Yep. Do not know what the Poster was thinking.

[one_voice]

47. There was no thinking involved...

with this. This was meant to hurt and poke a finger in the eye of certain members of the DU community.

It's a post and run. They don't even have the courage to stick around and defend this garbage. Probably because there is no defense...

[hrmjustin]

50. +1000

[William769]

116. ...

[theHandpuppet]

43. Come out, come out wherever you are

No, you can't hide and we're not going let you get away with this crap.

[William769]

44. Do they have internet service under a rock?

[theHandpuppet]

46. Ever played whack a mole?

Same thing works for little critters that rhyme with mole.

[William769]

169. Yes. And we have a winner!

[Vanje]

45. Kicking

To shine a light on the unabashed homophobia.

[Ohio Joe]

48. Shit like this should be a pizza

You should be ashamed.

[msanthrope]

58. A second pizza. nt

[yardwork]

67. Do tell.

[msanthrope]

74. It should ring a Bell. nt

[yardwork]

77. Ooooooooooh I think I'm getting the frequency, Kenneth.

[msanthrope]

86. Hid in the education forum for a long while...aided and abetted by the denziens there.

Read its posts on Bill Gates and you get a sense of familiarity.

Here...someone dared to attack the State, comrade. The North Korea threads that preceded the first pizza are a case in point.

[yardwork]

88. The Education forum is a piece of work, indeed.

[msanthrope]

95. ODS central? Well, this is the viper they nursed in their bosom. nt

[joshcryer]

80. Ding ding.

[msanthrope]

242. You spotted it first in the education forum, where it played gleefully for quite a

while, unencumbered, supported, and even welcomed as a 'stick-it-to-admin and Obama' Second Coming...

[joshcryer]

292. I think Sid or apocalypsenow spotted it first (definitively).

But, really, I think we all knew pretty quick who it was, I mean, they didn't even give a shit about hiding the fact. Only real change they did was stop posting WSWS directly (but indirectly you could find articles spouting the same wrong opinions). Other than that it was this sites worst best kept secret...

[msanthrope]

293. The sad thing is that the Education group suffered when articles from socialistworker.org and

BlackAgendaReport were posted and taken seriously. The troll had a socialist agenda--it simply did not care how unprofessional it made teachers look. It had its agenda, as opposed to the best interests of teachers as its reason for posting.

[kestrel91316]

141. Perhaps you are thinking of one "Banannah Smell"?

How Boorish this poster is.

[msanthrope]

291. Yep--and I called it in MIRT, over a year ago. nt

[maddezmom]

298. Many of us did

[msanthrope]

299. True!!!! nt

[Dash87]

51. Huh?

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[img][/img]

[steve2470]

52. really bad OP

RT.com has some good pieces but this is clearly a Putin-supporting homophobic POS. I think an apology is in order.

[dbackjon]

177. You do know that RT.com is controlled by Putin's allies?

[steve2470]

182. yes I do

Some of their articles strike me as being relatively accurate but the one in question is horribly biased and sympathizes with Putin's homophobic stance. RT.com is another media organ for Putin, yes.

eta: Putin and Russia are to be condemned for their homophobia. RT.com is one of my last choices for news because of this. I want to be clear in spelling out my complete lack of support for Putin, Russia and RT.com.

[DevonRex]

53. You defended the law because you don't want "children" to hear gays are normal.

The law says anybody 17 and under. You know that. But you were running around aghast about "the children, the children!!!!!" And "promoting being gay" as IF you can turn a person gay.

[yardwork]

54. One good thing has come of this post. A lot of DUers are seeing you for what you are

and they're seeing - with the 3:3 jury vote not to hide this - that there really is vile homophobia on DU.

[theHandpuppet]

57. +1000

Thank you.

[William769]

59. ...

[hrmjustin]

63. Well said yardwork!

[msanthrope]

66. Sid was right on this one. nt

[yardwork]

71. Sid is often right, though it pains me to admit it.

But I missed the whole thing and the North Korea reference is going over my head. Please keep posting hints.

[msanthrope]

76. It should ring a Bell. nt

[Pab Sungenis]

222. And raise Holy Hannah

when you do figure it out.

[Number23]

138. Sid and Scurrilous know what's up better than anyone on this web site.

This poster is one of the Magic Three that they've tried to draw people's attention to lately.

I'm sure you know who the other two are too.

Re: this thread, okay people are kicking but where are the hosts? Where are the admins? Somebody?

[msanthrope]

243. Oh yeah--you notice there's quite the polyglot developing on the pro-Snowden

side, eh?

[arely staircase]

249. here is one that won't be missed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=303173&sub=trans

[msanthrope]

251. I'll miss Paul Revere. nt

[arely staircase]

252. and his inexplicable coonskin hat

[msanthrope]

254. Maybe he borrowed it from Davy Crockett on his way to the Alamo. nt

[Whisp]

276. and his thumbdrive full of pizza

warning us of evil Obama.

[Bobbie Jo]

288. LOL

[arely staircase]

301. he actually sent me this message

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

pulp fiction trash that belongs in the lounge with the rest of the lounge lizards.

And now that I know you like my Snowden analogy, Ill be sure to bring it up to you often.

tata



His pizza was delivered shortly after that.



He sent zappaman some taunting PMs too.

[one_voice]

253. Finally!!

Thanks Skinner!!!

I don't know how he lasted as long as he did.

Thanks for posting the link Arely!

[MADem]

272. FINALLY! That took long enough....! nt

[Number23]

278. ....

[tammywammy]

282. Thank goodness

Obvious troll was obvious and fucking annoying.

[joshcryer]

289. He kept doubling down on RT propaganda.

And he won't be missed.

[bunnies]

296. Holy shit!!!

Miss one day on DU and look what happens!

[arely staircase]

300. it was a good day. nt

[Number23]

279. Msanthrope, I consider myself a moderately intelligent person

but I had no idea what "polyglot" meant until about two minutes ago.

[msanthrope]

284. It's my polite way of suggesting many voices from few mouths....nt

[DevonRex]

56. And I call bullshit. Russians display affection just like we do.

In public, in private. Too much sometimes. Just like humans!!! What do you know!!!!

[dionysus]

320. how do you say "how would you like your pizza" in russian?

[DevonRex]

322. Chto vy khotite na pitstsu? Or Что вы хотите на пиццу?

Как бы вы хотели вашу пиццу?
Kak by vy khoteli vashu pitstsu?

The first is my preference. It's "What do you want on your pizza?" The second is the word for word translation of what you wanted and it gets into a grammar construction that just doesn't seem right for ordering pizza to me.

Another thing is that pizza is a foreign word and you don't normally decline them, sometimes very common ones simply become part of the language and are treated like ordinary Russian words. I still don't like it, though. I think pizza should remain pizza.

[dionysus]

325. wadsworth said i can sprinkle some truffles on hannah's pizza.

[DevonRex]

326. She needs to fatten up before she rises again.

[xfundy]

60. Why is this even an issue with you?

Blood donations are routinely screened for HIV and many other things.

So the fuck what?

[msanthrope]

65. It's defense of the state, comrade. nt

[msanthrope]

61. This is worse than your North Korea thread. nt

[William769]

62. You might want to take note

[TDale313]

69. ...

[theHandpuppet]

75. You got that right, Friend!

Right there with you.

[Aerows]

265. RIGHT ON!

This is some wierd, bigotted bullshit in the OP.

[TexasTowelie]

312. +1000

I missed the thread on Monday. The only words I can think of to describe are horrible and terrible.

[bravenak]

64. Why is this up?

This is some sideways stuff right here. Not cool.

[Vanje]

68. Upon alert, 3 DUers said "Hide it".

3 DUers said "leave it".

So it stays. I all its homophoberiffic glory. A testament to its author.

[bravenak]

106. So sad.

[LostOne4Ever]

70. I would expect

a PoS posting like this from Freeperville.

Not here on DU.



You and those who voted to leave the post should all be ashamed.

[theHandpuppet]

83. Yet there are some who would contend...

... that GLBT DUers are exaggerating about homophobia being allowed to flourish unchecked while our protests are ignored.

Now everyone can get a good damn look at it.

[Pab Sungenis]

224. Sometimes it takes the Admins time to see something.

After all, they can't read every post on the site. And some alerts forget to check TOS when it's involved.

They get there in the end, though.

[dbackjon]

227. And many times the Admins refuse to answer ATA or emails from LGBT posters

They know what is going on. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt until they earn it.

[tammywammy]

72. This will be worth a hidden post:

Go fuck yourself. You're a disgusting piece of trash. I would say you should be ashamed, but I doubt you even understand why this is a despicable post.

You make DU suck and I cannot wait for you to be banned (again).

[William769]

85. ...

[Bobbie Jo]

87. .

[Kurska]

96. +1 n/t

[Change has come]

160. Well said!

[JohnnyLib2]

78. Shaking head and remember name.

[xfundy]

81. So, do I guess right if I say

"High Point, NC?"

Not knocking NC, just certain individuals who can't accept reality.

[stevenleser]

82. I cannot believe I am reading this on DU

I am going to take a shower now and bleach my eyes

[hrmjustin]

84. Would you please just come out and say something! This was very hurtful and I would like an

explaination.

[yardwork]

90. You are a very kind person, hrmjustin. You can't imagine that somebody wants to hurt people

but that's exactly what this OP is about. Instead of feeling hurt, I'm feeling somewhat jubilant that a lot of DU has united in opposition to this vile crap.

[hrmjustin]

99. Thank you for your words and I am happy to see you again.

I am also glad to see people standing in opposition top what was said here. I just wish she would respond.

[yardwork]

104. I came back to read and post in the Zimmerman threads. Stuck around.

It's always good to see your posts. I've noticed that you are consistently kind and thoughtful.

[hrmjustin]

107. I read your posts on the issue and they were great.

Been busy here of late. I am on Mirt now and a host of several rooms.

[yardwork]

110. I'm glad that you are on MIRT! Thank you for your service to DU.

[hrmjustin]

112. Thank you for coming back and fighting the good fight.

[msanthrope]

114. You will find a thread or two on the OP in MIRT....nt

[hrmjustin]

115. Thanks. I will look for them.

[dionysus]

323. well... half of DU is having a party right now, come on in... want a cocktail?

[steve2470]

92. as Yardwork said, you are a very kind person

I try to be the same way.

If it's the same person I think it is, he/she reflexively opposes those who speak badly of Russia or USSR or even North Korea. That's the main reason for this OP. Russia has been getting bashed a lot, rightly in my opinion, for their terribly homophobic culture and laws.

[yardwork]

97. Except that this OP has made lots of other homophobic comments

that were unrelated to defending Russia or North Korea or any other state. Homophobic comments just kind of reflexively roll off this poster, if you know what I mean.

[steve2470]

101. ah ok I was not aware of that, we really do not need him or her here in that case nt

[hrmjustin]

102. Yes I got into it with her the other day over the fact she was upset people were angry at Russia.

[DevonRex]

121. She said "the law in question being you can't promote homosexuality to minors."

"
In 2013, Russia's government adopted a federal bill banning the distribution of "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations" to minors. The law imposes heavy fines for using the media or internet to promote "non-traditional relations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia


Doesn't sound like genocide to me....

- The age of consent currently stands at 16 since 2003, regardless of sexual orientation.
- Transsexual and transgender people can change their legal gender after corresponding medical procedures since 1997.
- Homosexuality was officially removed from the Russian list of mental illnesses in 1999 (after endorsing ICD-10).
- There is currently no legal recognition of same-sex couples in Russia, and same-sex marriages are not allowed. Public support for gay marriages is at 16% as of 2013.
- Single persons can adopt children, regardless of sexual orientation, but only married heterosexual couples can adopt children together, as a couple.
- Gay people (at least officially) can serve in the military on a par with heterosexual people since 2003. "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023403482#post19

Lots worse that she said in that thread.

[HiPointDem]

124. Previous OP characterized russian tv person's call for the *same* laws we have in the US

as homophobic & tending to a new holocaust.

[hrmjustin]

126. You realized how much pain you caused here?

If you don't know how I suggest you re-read your thread again.

[HiPointDem]

131. I just re-read it. The US bans gay men from donating blood, tissue, and organs and has for

decades. This is a fact.

Last year a Russian TV personality/assistant deputy director at the russian state tv station said, on a talk show, that in his opinion, russia should have similar laws. Also a fact.

It is inconsistent to claim that the latter is the beginning of a new holocaust while ignoring the former.

I don't know why that is painful.

[hrmjustin]

133. Here is what you do. Write a whole new post asking people why they reacted the way they did.

I am too angry to talk to you. Talk to someone who is calmer now.

[William769]

134. It wasn't last year, it was this past week! More propaganda?

Fucking disgusting.

[kestrel91316]

146. We are all patiently waiting for your apology. I see you can't be bothered.

[Vanje]

132. As a service,

When you think you might get Tombstoned, Quickly collect contact information from your DU friends. Once you're TS'd you wont be able to communicate with them through DU. There will be no way. You'll miss them.
I got TS'd once and it was awful not to have any way to talk to my DU community.

Don't waste time.

[Marrah_G]

89. I would like to see you TS'd for this crap

[theHandpuppet]

91. Or at least I'd like an explanation for why this thread was permitted to stand

Let's hear why this piece of homophobic garbage passed muster on DU.

[Marrah_G]

117. Sometimes the juries fail us.

[fishwax]

164. done

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=282775&sub=trans

[winter is coming]

179. You got your wish.

How much would you charge to make a similar wish for some other DUer of my choice?

[Marrah_G]

200. LOL!

[Kurska]

93. Kicking this, because everyone should see it as an example of how homophobia is far from conquered

Even on progressive forums.

[liberal_at_heart]

94. I didn't like the OP about whether Russia's law was leading us to another Holocaust either but

it's a lot easier and probably better to just trash a thread like that than post another OP like it.

[stevenleser]

105. Wait, what?!?! You are comparing this to Pab's OP? Are you serious? There is no comparison.

What are you thinking?

[theHandpuppet]

108. Yeah, I caught that, too

Unbelievable.

[William769]

113. Are they coming out of the woodwork now?

[stevenleser]

119. I think it is a mix. Some of these folks are bonafide homophobes. Some have so lost their minds over

the Snowden issue, that any hint of wrongdoing by anyone or anything remotely involved (Snowden, Russia, Greenwald, etc.) receives a kneejerk defense response like if someone had attacked their toddlers.

[William769]

120. Makes sense.

I had a doozy earlier in LBN invoking Snowden over Russia. Had to do with Russia confirming Anti-Gay law at the Olympics.

[DevonRex]

137. Check out Pab's thread. HPD is all over it. She's been told over and

over it's 2 separate issues. But she keeps accusing gay people of not caring about gay rights until Snowden. Even though gay people are on both sides of Snowden.

HPD hates me because I spied on the Russian military in MI in the 80s. Back when the US and USSR came close to nuclear war. Apparently I was supposed to be on Russia's side. So she started telling everybody that ex-MI people on DU weren't to be trusted. We're all evil or something.

Anyway, Putin has never left the KGB in his head. Brutality is nothing to him. What HPD doesn't understand is that Putin was never a communist. He was a killer who got placed in the right job. And he was smart enough to confine it to work most of the time.

[Hekate]

262. Thanks for your insight, DR...

I didn't know that about your personal history, but thanks for your service, and for confirming my intuition about Putin. Remember when Idiot Son said he had looked into Putin's eyes and had seen his soul? That gave me such a shudder -- about both of them.

Hekate

[DevonRex]

268. Well...

Knowing that Bush 1 was CIA, I would have to say that was an inside joke. Anyone who has ever seen Putin's eyes in a serious situation comes away chilled. He has dead eyes.

What bothered me about it was that W shouldn't have joked like that in public. People thought he was serious. Half thought he was an idiot. Some got false hope from it. The rest tried to cover for him.

His entire presidency was spent saying and doing stupid things to push the boundaries as far as he could. On purpose. Our mistake on the left was to interpret that as stupidity. It was not. It was W thumbing his nose at everyone - his mommy and daddy, convention, rich uptight people, worried people, poor people, political people - anyone who tried to tell him he had to behave a certain way.

Who is living a nice life, having discovered he has some actual talent as a painter? W.
Who gets almost all the blame for the Iraq war, torture, and outing Plame? Cheney.
W was even smart enough not to tank the economy until he had one foot out the door so the economic bad times would be felt on the next president's watch. But, he had delivered what he needed to deliver to the power players during his eight years.

Honestly, I find W, Obama and Putin to be fascinating to dissect in terms of how they think and the roles they play and the moves they have made or will make. And in Putin's case, the pathology that defines his life.

[arely staircase]

302. I think that is right. But I would also add

the truly deranged.

[Sissyk]

98. WTF????

You really need to delete this. This is despicable and you should be banned for posting it.

[Egnever]

100. Wow

well this explains a lot about your posts.

Clearly you should never be taken seriously here. I wont make the same mistake again.

[mitchtv]

103. Best of DU

one more in the collection ,as we say in the telco "off prem"

[pinto]

111. Classic straw man misdirection to justify blatant anti-gay segments in Russia today.

And a stretch of a straw man at that. Yeah, MSM's are routinely screened out from organ or blood donation. (Not sure about sperm donations.) These are medical standards, under review and separate from political machinations.

"I believe that imposing fines on gays for homosexual propaganda to minors is insufficient" is another thing entirely.

[theHandpuppet]

118. There are those who might claim that reports of homophobia on DU...

... are greatly exaggerated. Well take a good damn look, folks. And this OP was allowed to stand.

One last kick for the night. Keep up the good fight, all.

[William769]

122. ...

[Little Star]

210. I wasn't around last night. Glad to see the well deserved pizza was served!

[William769]

250. Count yourself lucky.

I am positive though had you been here, you would have given this person a what for.

[HiPointDem]

135. Serious question: It's a fact that the US has banned blood etc. donations from gay men for

decades.

It's also a fact that last year a russian tv person, on a talk show, said that russia should do the same (they apparently presently do not).

1. Why is the latter evidence of a new holocaust (per a DU OP which is still on the front page) while the latter is not?

2. Why is drawing attention to these two facts, & the inconsistency & distortions in the 'holocaust' OP, evidence of homophobia?

[kestrel91316]

152. I agree with the poster who called you a disgusting POS,

Ms Bell.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

142. How the hell is this OP "homophobic"?

[Bobbie Jo]

208. One down......

Enjoy your stay.

[arely staircase]

217. tick, tick, tick............

btw, that person like to taunt people with smarmy PMs to.

[arely staircase]

248. it is gone now nt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=303173&sub=trans

[Bobbie Jo]

286. Funny

When you can see it coming way before they do.

That teabagging troll wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

Funnier still.....he had "fans."

[MineralMan]

214. That you cannot find the answer to your question for yourself

is an indication of something, I think.

[Historic NY]

129. They also along with the Red Cross ban those that spent time out...

of the country in the Chernobyl period. Its not so much the FDA's regulations as it is the Red Cross that does the collections. They would rather take the best first.

Blood donations are tested for the following:

•ABO and Rh blood types.
•Unexpected red blood cell antibodies that are a result of prior transfusion, pregnancy, or other factors.
•Hepatitis B surface antigen, indicating a current infection (hepatitis) or carrier state for hepatitis B virus.
•Antibody to hepatitis B core antigen, indicator of a present or past infection with the hepatitis B virus.
•Antibody to hepatitis C virus, indicating a current or past infection with hepatitis C virus (most common cause of non-A/non-B hepatitis).
•Antibody to HTLV-I/II, indicator of infection with a virus that may cause adult T-cell leukemia or neurological disease.
•Antibody to HIV-1/2, indicator of infection with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).
•Nucleic Acid Test (NAT) for hepatitis C (HCV), hepatitis B (HBV) and HIV.
•Screening test for antibodies to syphilis.
•NAT for West Nile Virus (WNV).
•Enzyme-linked immunoassay (ELISA) test for Trypanosoma cruzi (Chagas Disease).
In addition, all platelet apheresis donations are tested for bacterial contamination

http://www.redcrossblood.org/donating-blood/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical-listing

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

139. There is definitely a lot of homophobia in this country, that's for sure

It's is disgusting and needs to be rooted out, but it is unfortunately an all to common occurrence here.

Just listen to some of our famous "preachers", politicians, hate radio bigots, playgrounds, until recently even the military.

Shoot, it's still illegal for folks to get married in many places in this country of ours.

These haters make me sick

[SidDithers]

140. Oh, Hannah...

what a dumbass post. This is worse than your glowing defense of North Korea.

Yes, HiPointDem is the former Hannah Bell.

Sid

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

145. look who's talking

WTF is wrong with this post damnit!

There is a great deal of homophobia in this country, how is pointing that out a "dumbass post"?

I think your post is a "dumbass post".

[SidDithers]

147. And you're defending a zombie...

shocked, shocked I am.



Sid

[hrmjustin]

149. The OP has been removed by the owners of this site,

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

153. well, than maybe he had some kind of history, but I don't see anything homophobic in the OP

you guys are freaking the fuck out over Snowden is what i think.

cya

[hrmjustin]

155. No we were pissed at her Homophobia thank you!

[tammywammy]

157. Three things that don't surprise me

1. That you don't see the homophobia.
2. That you'd defend the OP.
3. That you'd automatically think anyone's outrage had to do with Snowden.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

161. You know what

you all aren't a very articulate bunch, are ya?

I'll take EarlG's word for it though.

I'm out of this thread.

cya

[dbackjon]

178. It would be better if you took your homophobia off of DU

You are not needed here.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

201. bullshit

You can take your unsubstantiated smears with you.

[dbackjon]

226. You have substantiated plenty over the past few days

[dionysus]

324. and you're out of DU, troll ass motherfucker...

[Number23]

176. Plus a MILLION, tammy.

[William769]

159. Heres a little tip the NSA is watching you.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

163. And you

[joshcryer]

192. RT = homophobia apologia.

RT should be banned from the site. The OP itself only penned the title. The actual OP is just a regurgitation of Russia Today's propaganda stance.

[Bluenorthwest]

223. RT does equal homophobia apologia and it should be banned from DU

Instead it is promoted here by people who work for them. That really needs to end.

[stevenleser]

260. I assume you are referring to Thom Hartmann? If you are referring to me, you should read

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113730126

[joshcryer]

285. At minimum they have zero credibility on LGBT issues.

And therefore if someone posts an RT LGBT article it is very likely going to be filled with right wing homophobic propaganda.

I'd agree with a complete ban of RT simply for that reason (that they can feign leftist when it comes to issues we might appreciate but that ultimately they're just a mouthpiece for the Russian government).

[maddezmom]

209. Wow, really?

Then you might want to read it again and the OP responses in this thread.

[snooper2]

239. your slip is showing

and it needs to be washed, bad

[dionysus]

306. well... bye...

[cali]

206. if you can't figure out what's wrong with the op

that in itself is revealing.

[Dash87]

218. I think you're misunderstanding the OP

The OP isn't pointing out that there's homophobia in the US. She's defending Russia's homophobic policies, and purposely distorting facts to try and make it sound like the LGBT community is overreacting.

That's why there's an anger towards the OP, and she was blocked from posting.

[BainsBane]

166. I missed the defense of N Korea

Thankfully.

[hrmjustin]

143. Thus ends the lesson!!!

MIR Team (EarlG) banned HiPointDem
Mail Message
Reason:
Homophobe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=profile&uid=282775&sub=trans

Real name:
DU Member for: 1 years, 4 months, 17 days
Posts: 20,729
Recommendations: 4,733
Star member: No

[alcibiades_mystery]

158. Well deserved pizza

A despicable series of posts.

I've admired your restraint and care here.

[hrmjustin]

162. Thank you. When the poster responded to me I was so angry so I told her to back off and bother

someone else. I did not want a jury hide because of her.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

148. YIKES

That was a homophobic posts, well, excuse me than... let me get the fuck out of this thread before who knows what happens next.

[arely staircase]

247. it just happened, troll

buh buy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=303173&sub=trans

[cali]

255. two for the price of one! I like it.

[2ndAmForComputers]

150. Bigot jerk is GONE.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=282775&sub=trans

[SidDithers]

151. HiPointDem / Hannah Bell has once again been escorted from the building...

MIR Team (EarlG) banned HiPointDem
Mail Message
Reason:
Homophobe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=profile&uid=282775&sub=trans

Real name:
DU Member for: 1 years, 4 months, 17 days
Posts: 20,729
Recommendations: 4,733
Star member: No

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=282775&sub=trans



Sid

[tammywammy]

154. And good riddance!

[ProSense]

156. That connection always cracked me up

[RZM]

165. I'm surprised it took so long

Kim Jong Bell's latest incarnation should have been banned a year ago.

[DevonRex]

167. But who will tell us Russia's homophobic law is ok & North Korea is

Fabulous??? And that it's our fault Kim Jong Un wants to nuke us and South Korea and Japan?

[SidDithers]

168. And Bill Gates...

there's always something that needs to be said about Bill Gates.



Sid

[tammywammy]

170. Or any kind of philanthropy, especially trusts. n/t

[DevonRex]

171. Celebration Day

&feature=youtube_gdata_player


?t=1241889526

Now post one of you dancing, Sid!

[SidDithers]

173. Dancing the night away...

Sid

[DevonRex]

180. Hahaha!!!

[KharmaTrain]

184. I Think This Works For Tonight, Too...

[MADem]

194. That was flat-out hilarious....! nt

[DevonRex]

269. OMG LOL!!!!! Hannah will be playing that on a loop

over and over again.

Hi Hannah! So sorry about your tombstone. I'm sure you'll be back soon.

[joshcryer]

188. I didn't get to dance last time.

That poster gave me so much hateful bullshit throughout 2011 that it really dragged me down. What a piece of work.

Doesn't surprise me, like another recent poster who was banned after returning (I think Fool Count) that that poster would think posting something homophobic in a way to deflect was a bad thing.

Have to hand it to them, though. They're consistent. Consistently on the wrong side of progressive issues (at one point defending publishing houses for "literary culture&quot , trashing open source education (or missing the point on it completely), and of course NK and now this... it's amazing to be so wrong so often.

[Bobbie Jo]

225. LOL

[penultimate]

236. Excellent! I needed a gif just like that for my collection... SAVED.

[RZM]

172. I think Zimbabwe is next

She'll come back as 'Zanu_BFF'.

[KharmaTrain]

174. The Bottom Line...

...she WILL be back. It's just too tempting to bring her misery here and spread post after post about how ugly being an American is.



There are a lot of zombies and socks haunting DU these days...

Cheers...

[nomorenomore08]

183. Funny how she's so (rightly) concerned about other forms of oppression - classism etc. -

yet so cavalier when it comes to homophobia, not to mention totalitarianism. Doesn't add up, in my mind anyhow.

[KharmaTrain]

185. A Classic Example...

...of fitting into one's agenda. I've seen this person play this game here for quite a while. Find common cause with those who in turn will support what you say/believe. A good example, he (and I have it from good authority that the she was a he) was glad to jump in the Snowden threads that made Russia look like the hero, but when the truth of the country's homophobia started to come out, that was one bridge too far...

[nomorenomore08]

186. Incredibly selective, though, to the point of being myopic. Hypocritical in fact.

nt

[KharmaTrain]

189. Unfortunately A Common Trait...

...around these parts these days. It's amazing and amusing to see how people will attempt to fit something to serve their purpose even if it means contortions that would mystify Houdini.

[nomorenomore08]

191. So many of the back-and-forth arguments on this site are just pure sophistry.

People arguing passionately and long-windedly about things which, by and large, have no direct impact on them.

[BainsBane]

216. Apparently the poster is actually male

Or so I was told.

[Quantess]

275. I thought Hannah Bell was a male, too.

Who knows...

[DevonRex]

181. OMG, noooo!

[penultimate]

235. I can fill that role if you'd like...

I think I can be pretty convincing too.


*I don't actually believe any of those things, but I just wanna help fill any voids.

[DevonRex]

261. Thanks for the offer. Haha. I'm sure

your duties won't last long.

[dionysus]

307. and cigs are good for you, don't forget that one!

[DevonRex]

308. She DID??? Because they don't have food in NK so they smoke?

[joshcryer]

310. Link?

If she is even a remote resemblance of teacher intelligence we're screwed as a country.

[dionysus]

319. it was on DU2, in an antismoking thread. she posted all these pics of celebrities holding cigs, that

were still alive.. lennon (well, not him, but cancer didn't kill him), McCartney, ect.. as if to say, smoking isn't dangerous!

it was roundly ridiculed.. sorry I can't find the link.

[penultimate]

234. IGNORED BY 73 PEOPLE!!!! Jeeeeesus!

[joshcryer]

290. Holy shit and I thought I had a lot of ignores.

Jesus. That's BetterBelieveIt level of ignores.

[hrmjustin]

321. At the time of this ones PPR he had 172 members ignoring him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=280518&sub=trans

[pintobean]

241. usGovOwesUs3Trillion got banned too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=303173&sub=trans

Saw that one coming. Do you know who that was before? It was an obvious zombie troll.

[HappyMe]

244. It's a two-fer!

Good job MIRT.

[pintobean]

245. It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood

[LadyHawkAZ]

256. Don't you love these "Buy 1 Pizza, Get 1 Free" deals?

This has been the first worthwhile thing I've seen come out of GD in at least a month.

and

[pintobean]

274. My wife just called

She's bringing home pizza because it's twofer Tuesday at her favorite pizza joint.
I'm not bullshitting. I just laughed and she gave me an 'oooookay'.

[LadyHawkAZ]

280. :giggle:

Nice timing!

[Rex]

317. Yeah that one smelt like a rehash or mashup of older socks.

Wonder who it was?

[phleshdef]

175. I don't understand what this post is even trying to say.

[joshcryer]

187. False equivalence saying the US is bad therefore don't cast stones.

It was playing off of this OP which was not as hyperbolic as the OP made it seem. Literally, quite literally, the holocaust was caused by deflection and diminishment and "it's not as bad as it seems" type of language. A shitload of SS were in on it then. The German people were aware of what was going on.

OP was more concerned that the anti-Russia gay oppression commentary is a "reaction to Snowden" when the reality is that if Snowden wasn't there we'd still be discussing it because the Olympics are there, too. So it's a big deal what they're doing and it merits discussion.

What wouldn't be happening is that Russia wouldn't be defended if Snowden didn't happen. Instead, we would rightly, as DUers, condemn this crap from the start and move on. The reason it's a big deal is that Snowden defenders think an attack on Russia, somehow, is an attack on Snowden. From my POV most of those denouncing Russia's anti-gay stuff are supporters of Snowden.

[phleshdef]

196. Oh ok, great summarization.

Yea, the ban on gay donors is absurd and ignorant but its nowhere near the level of sending gay folks to jail.

[joshcryer]

198. In the other thread OP basically say "it's not that bad."

Others in that other thread claim the threat is overstated.

The reality is that activists are being directly impacted by the law, which is what it was designed to do, attack activists and render them neutered politically (forcing them to get more and more radicalized which will only justify even harder crackdowns).

The thing is that US laws are bad but they're getting better, in Russia they're getting worse, so while yes the US sucks for having bad laws, that shouldn't preclude us from denouncing it anywhere those laws exist, particularly if those laws are increasingly draconian.

[uppityperson]

199. Thank you, been gone and missed that post and thanks to the bannind

[Vanje]

221. Not me

These are separate issues.
I can admire Snowden without admiring Putin, or becoming an apologist for the escalating persecution of gays in Russia.



Babies, bathwater, and silliness.

[Generic Other]

309. Thank you for explaining the holocaust part as it made no sense

Regardless of one's position on Snowden, it seems we should all be united in opposing Russia's homophobic stance. In fact, I would expect that to be a rare moment of solidarity among us.

[joshcryer]

311. I didn't read the holocaust thread at first.

I was on my phone when I saw the holocaust thread and it wasn't loading. I was like "Oh, we had some drama and this is a continuation! Awesome!" But then I went and read the holocaust thread and it was clear that the OP was misrepresenting the original thread which they're mocking.

The OP should've been banned for their comments in that other thread long before making this thread, to be honest.

Unfortunately Russia's homophobia is deflected here regularly by Snowden supporters, though they've toned it down as I'm sure some of them don't want their latent homophobia to be realized.

[MADem]

190. The best news we've heard this week....

Is that the OP got his (or her--hard to know, the socks are quite thick) well deserved pizza.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=282775&sub=trans

Posting Privileges Revoked
Revoked on Reason
Aug 13, 2013 Homophobe.
Revoked by EarlG
(Administrator)

Glad to see the back of that vicious troll, though I suspect he or she has a sock drawer at the ready.

All hail EarlG!

[Hekate]

197. The socks are flying thick and fast, and it's so nice to see one hit the laundry chute at last.nt

[msanthrope]

259. If it comes back, it will do what it did the last time--hide out in a policy forum like

Education, and build its post count.

When this particular iteration showed up, I was on MIRT. And I made sure there was a thread or two to document the zombie.

[MADem]

270. +1,000 nt

[Jesus Malverde]

193. strange thread...nt

[gollygee]

207. Holy crap.

All I can say to this thread and it's final consequence is "wow."

[theHandpuppet]

215. Thanks to everyone here who took a stand against homophobia on DU

Your support is appreciated!

[cali]

231. it's an obligation. and we shouldn't need thanks, though it is appreciated

[Capt. Obvious]

219. You're really going all out

It's not enough that you're acting like an insensitive jerk all over DU with this "premise" of yours, but now you've gone and started a thread.

I see a jury let this stand. They also let your other hurtful posts stand.

Awesome.

Be proud.

[progressoid]

229. Poster has been tombstoned...

Yeah, I'm old school.

[backscatter712]

230. And that tombstone was well-deserved.

We don't see nearly enough tombstones these days.

[Lex]

237. It's good to know that just because a jury returns an effed-up verdict

on an OP (as with this homophobic OP), that doesn't necessarily mean you won't be TOS'd by the Admins.

[Dr. Strange]

238. This makes me smile.

[msanthrope]

257. Oh, those smiling North Koreans.....nt

[DevonRex]

294. I'm actually a wee bit sad. Had a photo op at the DMZ all lined up

just for Hannah. Oh well.

[msanthrope]

295. I hope one day Hannah is able to emigrate to the socialist paradise of 'her' choice.

I am sure the comrade will be welcomed!

[Jamastiene]

240. Ahem...

THIS is what some juries are allowing on DU sometimes. Un-freaking-believable.

so the rest of the good people of DU can see this too. Thanks to all who have spoken up against this drivel. It is great to see the majority of DU stand together against homophobia this way.

[YoungDemCA]

246. ..........

There are no words.....

[Aerows]

258. What in the hell

is it with DU today running ill-researched, inflammatory bullshit as headlines?

Aren't we riled up enough that we need fodder to fuel us? I'm gay, and this is the third headline that has gone through that is nothing but inflammatory bullshit.

[Hekate]

263. Be of good cheer. There was a 2-for-1 pizza delivery in this thread, starting with the OP

[Aerows]

264. Oh, that's awesome

I love 2 for one Tombstones. (they really are pretty delicious)

[Hekate]

266. The whole thread was so jaw-dropping that I had to come back and visit it today

Sock-puppets and zombies and trolls, oh my.

It's been left up for a reason.

[Aerows]

267. I was so stunned, I didn't know what to say

It was just awful enough that I was speechless, and that's hard to do to me.

[Zorra]

273. One more for ignore

[BainsBane]

287. This poster has been tombstoned

[NuclearDem]

281. And another kick, to expose this shit to more daylight.

God, what a mess. At least the hammer fell hard and righteously this time.

[MNBrewer]

283. Russian State TV Host: Gay Bashing Victims Only Bring It Upon Themselves

"Our [Russian] problem with homosexuals is that they behave in a provocative, victim-like way. They deliberately provoke situations, so that they become victims. Nobody prevents them from loving each other the way they want to. They are aggressively foisting minority’s values on the majority. It is likely that society would counteract this. Naturally, right? In various ways, including brutal ones. Since they are brutally foisting this [on others]. Wanna fight? Get it, then. So what?" - Russian state television host Dmitriy Kiselyov, when asked during a radio interview if he was aware of the murders of Russian gays.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/

[SidDithers]

303. Delicious...nt

Sid

[dionysus]

305. let us ring the Bell for our dearly departed.....

[Hekate]

315. The high point of our day, right?

[dionysus]

304. na na na na hannah hannah.. goooodbye....

[DevonRex]

314. Here it is:

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[dionysus]

318. .

[DevonRex]

327. Awesome!!!!! nt

[TexasTowelie]

313. Adding another kick.

This thread is vile and disgusting, but it serves as a reminder of how sick things are.

[Puzzledtraveller]

316. LOUD NOISES!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

328. ???