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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 07:48 PM Aug 2013

Hey Everybody !!! - Guess Who's Gonna Choose The NSA Technical Advisory Review Group !!!

This Independent Technical Review Group Brought to You By the Booz Allen Hamilton Director of National Intelligence™
By: emptywheel
Monday August 12, 2013 4:36 pm

<snip>

When Obama announced Friday the formation of a technical advisory group to review our SIGINT programs, I naively believed “outside” and “independent” meant “outside” and “independent.”

Fourth, we’re forming a high-level group of outside expertsto review our entire intelligence and communications technologies. We need new thinking for a new era. We now have to unravel terrorist plots by finding a needle in the haystack of global telecommunications. And meanwhile, technology has given governments — including our own — unprecedented capability to monitor communications.

So I am tasking this independent group to step back and review our capabilities — particularly our surveillance technologies. And they’ll consider how we can maintain the trust of the people, how we can make sure that there absolutely is no abuse in terms of how these surveillance technologies are used, ask how surveillance impacts our foreign policy — particularly in an age when more and more information is becoming public. And they will provide an interim report in 60 days and a final report by the end of this year, so that we can move forward with a better understanding of how these programs impact our security, our privacy, and our foreign policy. [my emphasis]


I also naively believed this was an effort to take up Ron Wyden and Mark Udall’s call to get an independent review of the program, which the rest of the Senate Intelligence Committee thwarted a year ago.

We also proposed directing the committee’s Technical Advisory Group to study FISA Amendments Act collection and provide recommendations for improvements. We were disappointed that our motion to request that the Technical Advisory Group study this issue was ruled by our colleagues to be out of order.


Nope!

In the memo Obama just released ordering James Clapper to form such a committee, those words “outside” and “independent” disappear entirely. Link (.pdf): http://www.emptywheel.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/2013inteltech.mem_.rel_.pdf

I believe it is important to take stock of how these technological advances alter the environment in which we conduct our intelligence mission. To this end, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I am directing you to establish a Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technologies (Review Group).

The Review Group will assess whether, in light of advancements in communications technologies, the United States employs its technical collection capabilities in a manner that optimally protects our national security and advances our foreign policy while appropriately accounting for other policy considerations, such as the risk of unauthorized disclosure and our need to maintain the public trust. Within 60 days of its establishment, the Review Group will brief their interim findings to me through the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), and the Review Group will provide a final report and recommendations to me through the DNI no later than December 15, 2013. [my emphasis]


And neither Obama nor the Intelligence Committees get to hear from this Group themselves. It all goes through James Clapper...

<snip>

More: http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/08/12/this-technical-review-group-brought-to-you-by-the-booz-allen-hamilton-director-of-national-intelligence/

From DOD: http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=120613






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Hey Everybody !!! - Guess Who's Gonna Choose The NSA Technical Advisory Review Group !!! (Original Post) WillyT Aug 2013 OP
You're surprised? Wait until you see the crappy website they come up with lol Catherina Aug 2013 #1
quelle surprise. obama plays the game very well too. roguevalley Aug 2013 #38
I wondered if they thought we ware stupid, now I'm sure they must. What a joke. The Fox gets to sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #2
Mr. Fox to head independent panel investigating mysterious chicken deaths n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #6
You thought "independent" and "outside" would be different than "hope" and "change" villager Aug 2013 #3
But of course. Autumn Aug 2013 #4
Ha, I thought it would be Greenwald or Snowden, oh, forgot, they are not in the country Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #5
Another handpicked investigative committee Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #7
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #8
Well..figured in Obama's Speech..that "Devil was in The Details." Not surprising KoKo Aug 2013 #9
Yup, Social Security and Medicare are gone Progressive dog Aug 2013 #88
Obama Selling Snake Oil And Doublespeak - What Happened To Transparency, Hope And Change cantbeserious Aug 2013 #10
Transparency, hope and change were all left behind. lark Aug 2013 #98
I knew Obama's empty speech was a travesty from the get go MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #11
Transparency. kentuck Aug 2013 #12
Same shit, different day Demeter Aug 2013 #13
heh. KG Aug 2013 #14
Bring on the authoritarian apologia! bobduca Aug 2013 #41
How much "spin" would you expect cheapdate Aug 2013 #44
My "ignore" list is bodacious! Not a single bot shows up on this thread! Divernan Aug 2013 #68
Will John Poindexter be on it? Fuddnik Aug 2013 #15
LOL nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #50
HAH! I thought you were going to say Dick Cheney! burnodo Aug 2013 #16
YAY! Soon we will be told to read a glorious report about legality and necessity of spying on your idwiyo Aug 2013 #17
I was hoping they were already here. zeemike Aug 2013 #27
What, Kissenger wasn't available? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #18
Yeah duh. You always do Kissenger first, THEN... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #91
The government has absolutely no intention sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #19
So the guy who lied to Congress gets to report the results to himself? pa28 Aug 2013 #20
Why doesn't this surprise me????? emsimon33 Aug 2013 #21
Doublespeak tsnew Aug 2013 #22
Yep... WillyT Aug 2013 #24
General Clapper is going to run it???!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #23
Oh, How I Wish I Could... WillyT Aug 2013 #26
That is exactly what it is, another slap in the face to Progressive Democrats. It's getting more and sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #35
What is our strategy? CrispyQ Aug 2013 #79
Clapper? Left Coast2020 Aug 2013 #53
Surprised ???? SamKnause Aug 2013 #25
Can't wait for the white paper and the blue links! Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #28
National security hawks need not worry now Catherina Aug 2013 #33
The Fix is in! Pholus Aug 2013 #74
Obama is Bush 2.0! Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2013 #29
Bush wasnt in control of the NSA and neither is Obama. Gen Clapper is in charge. And he doesnt rhett o rick Aug 2013 #92
By saying "outside" and "independent", Obama was being the least untruthful that he could MNBrewer Aug 2013 #30
LOL !!! - I Saw What You Did There... WillyT Aug 2013 #32
And the hits just KEEP on comin'... n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #31
I Am Truly Shocked By This Liberal_Dog Aug 2013 #34
At least it's not John Roberts. n/t Ian David Aug 2013 #36
Well he's busy choosing the judges for the FISA court...he wouldn't snappyturtle Aug 2013 #54
It's beyond disgusting. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #37
Really those are my thoughts as well. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #58
Is it that or is it that he's been one to work in the system from the start? eomer Aug 2013 #75
Well, you have to look at who made the promises. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #39
Link to White House.gov TxGrandpa Aug 2013 #40
BFEE: Carlyle Group Octafish Aug 2013 #42
I want chocolate. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #43
No shit. blackspade Aug 2013 #47
I heard they are raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week!! lunasun Aug 2013 #52
the only way it will change polynomial Aug 2013 #45
Now THAT is a plan! Love it! nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #49
Well crap, there goes my renewal of hope.... blackspade Aug 2013 #46
This Elmer Fudd look-alike has the goods on somebody very important. another_liberal Aug 2013 #48
As I understand, the President's first executive order was to protect snappyturtle Aug 2013 #56
Also I think that order would only cover dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #60
Now that is probably very true...hadn't thought about it...thanks! nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #61
In case you hadn't seen this... dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #63
Thank you...I've heard some from Tice...but this one looks unfamiliar. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #64
If I grabbed the right one dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #65
Very interesting. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #66
I heard the NSA caught him, ... CRH Aug 2013 #100
Yeah, and carrying on lengthy phone conversations with Raul Castro . . . another_liberal Aug 2013 #102
GASP! What a shocker!!!!! forestpath Aug 2013 #51
Clap on, Clap off -- THE CLAPPER! Blue Owl Aug 2013 #55
Well, that's a hoot! kentuck Aug 2013 #57
knr - here is the letter Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #59
What's that sound? dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #62
WillyT, Enthusiast Aug 2013 #67
Well that's a brilliant move to generate a whole ton of trust! Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #69
Now, now... Oakenshield Aug 2013 #72
I'm sure the third-wayers around here... Oakenshield Aug 2013 #70
So the folks who don't constantly rag on President Obama are "third-wayers?" great white snark Aug 2013 #80
What? The BOG isn't good enough for you? n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #84
Interesting. One might think you're implying that someone... one_voice Aug 2013 #97
Who? Oakenshield Aug 2013 #101
Somebody Who Joined DU On Jun 13, 2010... Has NO IDEA... What Has been Posted Since "Day One"... WillyT Aug 2013 #103
Are you claiming Clapper will have control over the group? Recursion Aug 2013 #71
I hope we get one OP devoted to each group member's reason why they aren't good enough. great white snark Aug 2013 #81
Try READING the OP. bvar22 Aug 2013 #83
Why do you think Clapper will have control Recursion Aug 2013 #85
When he was talking privacy, he meant the NSA's privacy! Pholus Aug 2013 #73
When did Advisory Review Group ever mean anything, except to the deli downstairs? leveymg Aug 2013 #76
Another mark in the negative column for Obama AndyA Aug 2013 #77
But, I was informed this weekend right here on these forums TM99 Aug 2013 #78
k&r Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #82
Heck of a Job, Clappy!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #86
lol Enrique Aug 2013 #94
Which way to the Mission Accomplished Parade? Aerows Aug 2013 #99
An administration committee chosen by the Obama administration, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #87
Reading... Is Fundamental... WillyT Aug 2013 #89
So Obama expects Clapper to lie to him Progressive dog Aug 2013 #104
Yeah the guy that lied to Us and Congress is now in charge. Rex Aug 2013 #90
K&R#148 n/t bobthedrummer Aug 2013 #93
so I guess Obama's not going to fire Clapper? Enrique Aug 2013 #95
Kinda like having Tony Soprano select the members of the NJ Crime Commission. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #96

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
1. You're surprised? Wait until you see the crappy website they come up with lol
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 07:50 PM
Aug 2013

And some people say Obama has no sense of humor...

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
2. I wondered if they thought we ware stupid, now I'm sure they must. What a joke. The Fox gets to
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 07:52 PM
Aug 2013

protect their henhouse once again. Same old garbage.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
3. You thought "independent" and "outside" would be different than "hope" and "change"
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 07:55 PM
Aug 2013

... then?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. Ha, I thought it would be Greenwald or Snowden, oh, forgot, they are not in the country
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 07:58 PM
Aug 2013

And not available. But then, if they truly did a review they would have to be truthful in releasing a report and we know that will not happen.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
7. Another handpicked investigative committee
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 08:02 PM
Aug 2013

In a shocker, the committe finds everything the NSA does is necessary to keep us safe, and we aren't allowed to know anything more than that.

We can file the group's findings next to Tom Keane's innocuous Group Think conclusion and the Magic Bullet Theory.

Response to WillyT (Original post)

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
9. Well..figured in Obama's Speech..that "Devil was in The Details." Not surprising
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 08:41 PM
Aug 2013

and ...figured out that folks would figure out that he would set up something like his "Catfood Commission to Devastate SS/Medicare."

So...nothing would surprise me these days. I was was only "waiting for the details" of how his New Initiatives would be Carried Out.

Now I know!

Thanks! We gotta keep going with the "TRUTH To POWER"...and parsing every damned and damning word out of our Elected Representatives Mouths to Hold THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

That's what "Citizens of Democracy DO!" Yet...it seems we work SO ALONE...these days ...speaking for Democracy and the Rights of Citizens guaranteed by Constitution and Bill of Rights...no matter how far the "FAR LEFT" goes to try to UNDO all of this.

We FIGHT BACK! And...maybe we will get the Ear of our Dem Party and the Ear of our President who will be there for over 3 and a Half Years. If he hears from us NOW...it's our Lips to President's ears?

"HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL" and that's a GOOD THING...imho.

Progressive dog

(7,603 posts)
88. Yup, Social Security and Medicare are gone
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:19 PM
Aug 2013

and he's coming for your calling records next. Obama will be able to watch you as you starve.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
10. Obama Selling Snake Oil And Doublespeak - What Happened To Transparency, Hope And Change
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 08:41 PM
Aug 2013

eom

lark

(26,081 posts)
98. Transparency, hope and change were all left behind.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 05:38 PM
Aug 2013

Now we get reducing social security and the government spying on us and lying about it. Does Obama really think that this will fly, or does he just not give a damn? I'm thinking it's the later.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
44. How much "spin" would you expect
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 10:04 PM
Aug 2013

over an announcement of a plan to form a committee?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
68. My "ignore" list is bodacious! Not a single bot shows up on this thread!
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:37 AM
Aug 2013

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Answer: No, bwahahahahahah!
The ignore function turns this back into the old DU!

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
17. YAY! Soon we will be told to read a glorious report about legality and necessity of spying on your
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 08:54 PM
Aug 2013

citizens! All the bullshit, any time, all of it in one handy and easily accessible place! With multiple Linckosaurus-Blue Links from here to there!

WOO HOO!111!!!!







zeemike

(18,998 posts)
27. I was hoping they were already here.
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:15 PM
Aug 2013

I find their rationalizations of things fascinating and kind of amusing...It is almost like a mechanical thing they do with anything.

It has a rhythm and pattern to it.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
19. The government has absolutely no intention
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:04 PM
Aug 2013

of backtracking on the implementation of the national security state apparatus. This so-called review group is designed to make that clear to those who oppose it and to reassure the uncertain.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
20. So the guy who lied to Congress gets to report the results to himself?
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:05 PM
Aug 2013

Clapper's advisory group seems like an example of the problem rather than a solution. Why does this administration put the fox in charge of the henhouse again and again?

 

tsnew

(12 posts)
22. Doublespeak
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:09 PM
Aug 2013

It's like they purposely do the exact opposite of the meaning, just so people will get used to it.

A secret court and secret rulings? Transparency!
A congressional debate about the NSA? Secretive and un-informed!
Independent third party? DNI director!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
23. General Clapper is going to run it???!!!
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:09 PM
Aug 2013

THIS General Clapper?

" Watch U.S. Intel Chief Clapper Lie to Congress "



Oh,...I'm feeling safer already.


This appointment is a slap in the face to Wyden,
an arrogant slap in the face to millions of concerned Americans,
and an insult to our democracy.

It just keeps getting worse,
and in response to the demand from MILLIONS of Americans, Congress & The Senate, the White House does THIS!!!???

Please tell me this is a story from he Onion.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
35. That is exactly what it is, another slap in the face to Progressive Democrats. It's getting more and
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:34 PM
Aug 2013

more blatant. I have to say I am surprised, I was worried about who might be on this 'committee' keeping in mind the disastrous choices for the Deficit Committee. But I didn't think they could be this blatant. If that isn't telling Progressive Democrats what this administration thinks of them, nothing will.

Well, it's time to begin changing strategy for those who actually care about this country. What has become more than obvious is we can't keep doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result.

CrispyQ

(40,969 posts)
79. What is our strategy?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:49 AM
Aug 2013

Theirs is "Who else you gonna vote for, sucker?"

The entire electoral process is corrupt & compromised. Gerrymandering, Citizens United, electronic voting, an apathetic populace. The ones who can fix it are the very ones who benefit from it. I'm sorry to say it, but I think we are royally screwed until the majority of Americas are feeling serious pain. And then, it may be too late. They have an incredible apparatus in place to keep us in our place.

Everyday I realize what an incredibly precious little slice of space-time I have been lucky to inhabit.

SamKnause

(14,896 posts)
25. Surprised ????
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:12 PM
Aug 2013

I wish I could form a review group.

I would like to see the majority of our legislatures, going back decades, arrested for treason !!!!

They are cannibalizing and destroying this country from within.

Liars, cons and swindlers.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
33. National security hawks need not worry now
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:25 PM
Aug 2013

In the unlikely event that Clapper reports anything, there's always the Look-Forward-Doctrine.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
74. The Fix is in!
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 07:15 AM
Aug 2013

Again, read the directive. It actually is about maintaining the public trust by combating the INSIDER THREAT and unauthorized disclosures (about the program itself).

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
29. Obama is Bush 2.0!
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:22 PM
Aug 2013

WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER


Wargle Blargle!

Oh wait, this isn't Free Republic?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
92. Bush wasnt in control of the NSA and neither is Obama. Gen Clapper is in charge. And he doesnt
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:50 PM
Aug 2013

care if we know. I bet he dictates Pres Obama's speeches.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
30. By saying "outside" and "independent", Obama was being the least untruthful that he could
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:23 PM
Aug 2013

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
37. It's beyond disgusting.
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:37 PM
Aug 2013

They must have something really big on Obama himself. How can he go along with this? I think we should refer to Clapper as the Tzar. Clapper and Gen. Alexander -- the duo who manage the government by coup. I wonder whether this intelligence dragnet is a set-up for a coup? An intelligence/military sort of coup.

Actually, maybe the coup has already taken place. It seems so odd that the protests of so many intelligent patriots are ignored in this way. It's as if we were already under a dictatorship.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
58. Really those are my thoughts as well.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:50 AM
Aug 2013

I admit for sometime I have thought they have something significant on Obama.

eomer

(3,845 posts)
75. Is it that or is it that he's been one to work in the system from the start?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 07:41 AM
Aug 2013

Such rapid success in his political career must mean he is a very talented politician. What does it entail, these days, to be a very talented politician who rises more rapidly than anyone else? I don't think it's just the ability to give great speeches (an ability he clearly has). I think that success also points to a talent to make the backroom deals, from the start.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
42. BFEE: Carlyle Group
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:57 PM
Aug 2013

War, Inc merged with Washington DC, personified.





War Is Sell - Washington Elite Benefits from War

Christopher Bollyn
October 31, 2001

War has always been a profitable money machine for shrewd investors with foresight, but the extremely close connections of the Carlyle Group, a Washington-based private equity investment firm and major war profiteer, to the Bush and Bin Laden families raise unavoidable questions of waging war for profit.

Established in 1987 the Carlyle Group was founded by David Rubenstein, a former staff member in the Jimmy Carter White House, and his two partners, Dan D'Aniello and Bill Conway. Today there are 18 partners in the firm and one outside investor. The Washington Post has described Carlyle as a "merchant banking firm" set up "to serve corporations and wealthy families." From the beginning the founders of Carlyle have recruited former politicians as consultants: former President George H. W. Bush is among them, along with a host of other Bush family cronies.

The Bush connection to the Carlyle Group is nothing short of a scandal, according to Larry Klayman, a notable government watchdog best known for pursuing the scandals of former President Bill Clinton. Now that the United States is bombing Afghanistan and allocating huge sums of money for defense, including $40 billion for the "war on terrorism" and more than $200 billion [1994 dollars] for the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), the conflict of interest is "direct," Klayman says. "President Bush should not ask but demand that his father pull out of the Carlyle Group." Carlyle owns many of the companies that will share in the $200 billion JSF deal.

"Carlyle is as deeply wired into the current administration as they can possibly be," Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, said. "George Bush is getting money from private interests that have business before the government, while his son is president. And, in a really peculiar way, George W. Bush could, some day, benefit financially from his own administration's decisions, through his father's investments. The average American doesn't know that. To me, that's a jaw-dropper."

The Carlyle Group, which claims to be the largest U.S. private-equity fund with some $14 billion in assets, makes money by investing in undervalued companies and reselling them at a profit, employing a host of former top-level government officials from the Bush and Reagan administrations, including former President Bush, in a global "money machine." The Washington Business Journal said in May that the Carlyle Group "seems to play by a different set of rules." Carlyle is a high-end business open only to the very rich. The Carlyle empire has investments around the world, owns numerous defense related companies outright, and has considerable business with the U.S. government. It owns so many companies that it is now one of the biggest U.S. defense contractors and a major force in global telecommunications. Carlyle also serves as financial adviser to the Saudi government.

Carlyle's directory reads like a Who's Who of high-profile Republicans going back to the Reagan administration. The chairman is Ronald Reagan's former defense secretary, Frank Carlucci. Former Secretary of State James Baker III, former Budget Director Richard Darman, and Arthur Levitt, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission through most of the Clinton administration, are all senior advisers to the firm.

CONTINUED...

http://www.bollyn.com/war-is-sell-washington-elite-benefits-from-war



What Frank Church warned us about. And to think, I still hope for change.

polynomial

(750 posts)
45. the only way it will change
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 10:06 PM
Aug 2013

In my opinion according to the first amendment;

Step one get rid of all the good old boys. That includes all top military chiefs of staff. Dump everyone connected to the Bush/ Cheney shadow government. Especially wind down the war convert to Pease time operations. Immediately post or publish a Valarie Plame stand down notification recall all agents especially all recruited during the Bush era.

Have all of them embedded with GPS to monitor their new duties. Don’t fire them yet. Fire all contractors.

Step two organize immediately to install a new intelligence satellite system order a new task force to be covered by the media to destroy or verified by shooting down old intelligence satellites. Order a new upgrade immediately priority one presidential quick, chop-chop, right now new engineers technicians and administration staff. Terminate all Bush era government operations personal.

Step three arrests Bush and Cheney for treason.

Step four watches the economy improve and watch terrorism disappear.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
48. This Elmer Fudd look-alike has the goods on somebody very important.
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 10:49 PM
Aug 2013

It looks like he may have pulled a J. Edgar Hoover on the Obama administration, as in having the goods on somebody, maybe on a whole lot of somebodies? If you can use the President's own private emails and phone conversations against him, you could have tremendous power over him.

The NSA has complete access to everyone's electronic communications, so why couldn't they set up a side operation to collect dirt on high public officials. The records were available and the temptation would have been extreme. A much cruder system of gathering dirt and threatening blackmail is what kept Hoover in power at the FBI until they literally carried him out the door on a gurney.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
56. As I understand, the President's first executive order was to protect
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:37 AM
Aug 2013

his emails, phone conversations and various communications...so, if
someone is listening in, they are in violation of that...although, maybe
it could be used to leverage the President. Dreadful thought.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
60. Also I think that order would only cover
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 03:15 AM
Aug 2013

the communications he made AFTER assuming office. They could probably find plenty of leverage from info they already had. Russ Tice claims personal knowledge of NSA paying special attention to Senator Obama's communications.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
64. Thank you...I've heard some from Tice...but this one looks unfamiliar.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 03:20 AM
Aug 2013

Going to take a peek!

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
65. If I grabbed the right one
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 03:22 AM
Aug 2013

it's the one where he talks about their oversight of Senator Obama. Everybody should probably see it at least once.

CRH

(1,553 posts)
100. I heard the NSA caught him, ...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 06:25 PM
Aug 2013

sexting Monica Lewinsky while Anthony Wiener was listening in.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
102. Yeah, and carrying on lengthy phone conversations with Raul Castro . . .
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:11 AM
Aug 2013

You know, about how to hand over Florida to Cuba. Very heavy stuff.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
59. knr - here is the letter
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 03:00 AM
Aug 2013
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release August 12, 2013
August 12, 2013

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/12/presidential-memorandum-reviewing-our-global-signals-intelligence-collec

MEMORANDUM FOR THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE

SUBJECT: Reviewing Our Global Signals Intelligence Collection and Communications Technologies
The United States, like all nations, gathers intelligence in order to protect its national interests and to defend itself, its citizens, and its partners and allies from threats to our security. The United States cooperates closely with many countries on intelligence matters and these intelligence relationships have helped to ensure our common security.

Recent years have brought unprecedented and rapid advancements in communications technologies, particularly with respect to global telecommunications. These technological advances have brought with them both great opportunities and significant risks for our Intelligence Community: opportunity in the form of enhanced technical capabilities that can more precisely and readily identify threats to our security, and risks in the form of insider and cyber threats.

I believe it is important to take stock of how these technological advances alter the environment in which we conduct our intelligence mission. To this end, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I am directing you to establish a Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technologies (Review Group).
The Review Group will assess whether, in light of advancements in communications technologies, the United States employs its technical collection capabilities in a manner that optimally protects our national security and advances our foreign policy while appropriately accounting for other policy considerations, such as the risk of unauthorized disclosure and our need to maintain the public trust. Within 60 days of its establishment, the Review Group will brief their interim findings to me through the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), and the Review Group will provide a final report and recommendations to me through the DNI no later than December 15, 2013.

You are hereby authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

BARACK OBAMA


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/12/presidential-memorandum-reviewing-our-global-signals-intelligence-collec

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
62. What's that sound?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 03:17 AM
Aug 2013

The sound of the NSA trembling with fear at the new oversight? No, it's the sound of one hand Clappering.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
67. WillyT,
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:10 AM
Aug 2013

I would have thought by now you would have recognized that President Obama is all about obfuscation and deception.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
69. Well that's a brilliant move to generate a whole ton of trust!
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 05:03 AM
Aug 2013

Wow, that's impressive! Trust is going to bust out all over because of that.

How come there was no objective to make sure none of the programs violate the 4th Amendment? Maybe it just slipped his mind.

Oakenshield

(628 posts)
72. Now, now...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 05:37 AM
Aug 2013

I'm sure this is all part of his strategy. You just need to have faith. I find politics is much like worshiping the Lord, sometimes the people in charge work in mysterious ways.

I know this isn't a laughing matter, but man I needed that.

Oakenshield

(628 posts)
70. I'm sure the third-wayers around here...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 05:28 AM
Aug 2013

I bet they would call this thread a "gratuitous" attack on the President as well. This story illustrates why it's so darn important that we hold him responsible. If we don't do it who the hell will? The Republicans sure as hell won't, I doubt they could even formulate a valid criticism if they tried.

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
80. So the folks who don't constantly rag on President Obama are "third-wayers?"
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:58 AM
Aug 2013

What is WillyT who hasn't had a good word since day one? Your hero?

Such stereotyping isn't very liberal but do what you need to.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
97. Interesting. One might think you're implying that someone...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:41 PM
Aug 2013

that expresses a differing opinion* should keep it limited to a specific group. Put them in a room and shut the door....silence....free speech zones comes to mind.


*with respect to the president, since you brought up BOG.


Guess GENERAL DISCUSSION isn't good enough for everyone.

:shrugs:

Oakenshield

(628 posts)
101. Who?
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 06:32 AM
Aug 2013

Can't say the name rings a bell. As you may be able to tell by most post count, I'm rather new here. And at what point in my post did I say we should "rag" on the President? Now you're just putting words in my mouth.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
103. Somebody Who Joined DU On Jun 13, 2010... Has NO IDEA... What Has been Posted Since "Day One"...
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 09:18 AM
Aug 2013

And actually... neither do I... having only joined in Jan. 2002.

Nice try, though.


great white snark

(2,646 posts)
81. I hope we get one OP devoted to each group member's reason why they aren't good enough.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:09 AM
Aug 2013

You know, spread out the outrage.

Oy.

I don't think Clapper has control over any decisions made by the group so the problem is Clapper appointing the group? The group giving decision to him and it will be kept secret? Obama is still President?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
83. Try READING the OP.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:50 AM
Aug 2013

If you do NOT know who or what the DNI is,
you really shouldn't be trying to comment on adult threads like this.
Just a tip to save you from future embarrassment.

No Charge.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
73. When he was talking privacy, he meant the NSA's privacy!
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 07:11 AM
Aug 2013

From Obama's speech:

"So I am tasking this independent group to step back and review our capabilities — particularly our surveillance technologies. And they’ll consider how we can maintain the trust of the people, how we can make sure that there absolutely is no abuse in terms of how these surveillance technologies are used, ask how surveillance impacts our foreign policy — particularly in an age when more and more information is becoming public. And they will provide an interim report in 60 days and a final report by the end of this year, so that we can move forward with a better understanding of how these programs impact our security, our privacy, and our foreign policy."


From the actual directive:

"The Review Group will assess whether, in light of advancements in communications technologies, the United States employs its technical collection capabilities in a manner that optimally protects our national security and advances our foreign policy while appropriately accounting for other policy considerations, such as the risk of unauthorized disclosure and our need to maintain the public trust. "


Public trust appears in each, so privacy is not about that. Nope, the actual function of the committee would seem to be to prevent "leaks" in the future -- paragraph two of the directive specifically talks about insider threats, but not surveillance overreach.

The public trust is obviously maintained by hiding as much as possible...

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
77. Another mark in the negative column for Obama
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 08:30 AM
Aug 2013

Would like to see a little more reason for hope, a lot more change, and a whole hell of a lot more transparency...like we were promised repeatedly.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
78. But, I was informed this weekend right here on these forums
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 09:57 AM
Aug 2013

that I was being a 'screamer' , 'hyperbolic' and 'irrational' for not trusting Obama's speech on Friday.

You know what I miss about Bush? There were no pretty speeches when he announced shit that was going to fuck us over as a nation.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
86. Heck of a Job, Clappy!!!
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:59 AM
Aug 2013

HEY! This is another BIG ONE headed for the "Obama Accomplishments List".
Accomplishment#127: Created a "Technical Review Group" to protect our Freedoms!!!




ANOTHER ACCOMPLISHMENT!!!!
Which way to the Mission Accomplished Parade?






You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
99. Which way to the Mission Accomplished Parade?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 05:46 PM
Aug 2013

You should have taken a left turn at Albuquerque.

Progressive dog

(7,603 posts)
87. An administration committee chosen by the Obama administration,
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:14 PM
Aug 2013

to make recommendations to the Obama administration, makes me think that guy Obama really believes he was re-elected President.
Oh wait, he was.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
89. Reading... Is Fundamental...
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:23 PM
Aug 2013
In the memo Obama just released ordering James Clapper to form such a committee, those words “outside” and “independent” disappear entirely. Link (.pdf): http://www.emptywheel.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/2013inteltech.mem_.rel_.pdf


And...

And neither Obama nor the Intelligence Committees get to hear from this Group themselves. It all goes through James Clapper...


Op.


Progressive dog

(7,603 posts)
104. So Obama expects Clapper to lie to him
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 11:55 AM
Aug 2013

about what they say. I understand now, Obama is a should pick people at random to share secret information with.I don't think I'm missing the fact that he did not use the same words at his press conference and in his order, I just can't seem to figure out why it is part of a surveillance conspiracy.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
90. Yeah the guy that lied to Us and Congress is now in charge.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:30 PM
Aug 2013

They really do love to spit in our faces sometimes with the draconian, authoritarian, bullshit. You must really hate a populace to do these things in public. Same as him wanting CEOs from the companies that destroyed our working class in 2008. They promote those that do us the most harm.

Did you expect fairness?

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
95. so I guess Obama's not going to fire Clapper?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 04:15 PM
Aug 2013

for lying to Congress?

Oh, well, maybe Congress will impeach Clapper for lying to them?

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