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This Independent Technical Review Group Brought to You By the Booz Allen Hamilton Director of National IntelligenceBy: emptywheel
Monday August 12, 2013 4:36 pm
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When Obama announced Friday the formation of a technical advisory group to review our SIGINT programs, I naively believed outside and independent meant outside and independent.
So I am tasking this independent group to step back and review our capabilities particularly our surveillance technologies. And theyll consider how we can maintain the trust of the people, how we can make sure that there absolutely is no abuse in terms of how these surveillance technologies are used, ask how surveillance impacts our foreign policy particularly in an age when more and more information is becoming public. And they will provide an interim report in 60 days and a final report by the end of this year, so that we can move forward with a better understanding of how these programs impact our security, our privacy, and our foreign policy. [my emphasis]
I also naively believed this was an effort to take up Ron Wyden and Mark Udalls call to get an independent review of the program, which the rest of the Senate Intelligence Committee thwarted a year ago.
Nope!
In the memo Obama just released ordering James Clapper to form such a committee, those words outside and independent disappear entirely. Link (.pdf): http://www.emptywheel.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/2013inteltech.mem_.rel_.pdf
The Review Group will assess whether, in light of advancements in communications technologies, the United States employs its technical collection capabilities in a manner that optimally protects our national security and advances our foreign policy while appropriately accounting for other policy considerations, such as the risk of unauthorized disclosure and our need to maintain the public trust. Within 60 days of its establishment, the Review Group will brief their interim findings to me through the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), and the Review Group will provide a final report and recommendations to me through the DNI no later than December 15, 2013. [my emphasis]
And neither Obama nor the Intelligence Committees get to hear from this Group themselves. It all goes through James Clapper...
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More: http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/08/12/this-technical-review-group-brought-to-you-by-the-booz-allen-hamilton-director-of-national-intelligence/
From DOD: http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=120613
Catherina
(35,568 posts)And some people say Obama has no sense of humor...
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)protect their henhouse once again. Same old garbage.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)... then?
Autumn
(48,962 posts)You were expecting something different?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)And not available. But then, if they truly did a review they would have to be truthful in releasing a report and we know that will not happen.
Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)In a shocker, the committe finds everything the NSA does is necessary to keep us safe, and we aren't allowed to know anything more than that.
We can file the group's findings next to Tom Keane's innocuous Group Think conclusion and the Magic Bullet Theory.
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KoKo
(84,711 posts)and ...figured out that folks would figure out that he would set up something like his "Catfood Commission to Devastate SS/Medicare."
So...nothing would surprise me these days. I was was only "waiting for the details" of how his New Initiatives would be Carried Out.
Now I know!
Thanks!
We gotta keep going with the "TRUTH To POWER"...and parsing every damned and damning word out of our Elected Representatives Mouths to Hold THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
That's what "Citizens of Democracy DO!" Yet...it seems we work SO ALONE...these days ...speaking for Democracy and the Rights of Citizens guaranteed by Constitution and Bill of Rights...no matter how far the "FAR LEFT" goes to try to UNDO all of this.
We FIGHT BACK! And...maybe we will get the Ear of our Dem Party and the Ear of our President who will be there for over 3 and a Half Years. If he hears from us NOW...it's our Lips to President's ears?
"HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL" and that's a GOOD THING...imho.
Progressive dog
(7,603 posts)and he's coming for your calling records next. Obama will be able to watch you as you starve.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
lark
(26,081 posts)Now we get reducing social security and the government spying on us and lying about it. Does Obama really think that this will fly, or does he just not give a damn? I'm thinking it's the later.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)kentuck
(115,406 posts)Not!
Demeter
(85,373 posts)The audience is drifting away....
can;t wait to hear the spin the palace guard put oh this. ought to be a hoot.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)cheapdate
(3,811 posts)over an announcement of a plan to form a committee?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Answer: No, bwahahahahahah!
The ignore function turns this back into the old DU!
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)It would be like child visitation.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)Or Henry Kissinger!!
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)citizens! All the bullshit, any time, all of it in one handy and easily accessible place! With multiple Linckosaurus-Blue Links from here to there!
WOO HOO!111!!!!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)I find their rationalizations of things fascinating and kind of amusing...It is almost like a mechanical thing they do with anything.
It has a rhythm and pattern to it.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)Surprise!
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)you give us the Clap.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)of backtracking on the implementation of the national security state apparatus. This so-called review group is designed to make that clear to those who oppose it and to reassure the uncertain.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Clapper's advisory group seems like an example of the problem rather than a solution. Why does this administration put the fox in charge of the henhouse again and again?
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)At least we are not taken by surprise!!!!!
tsnew
(12 posts)It's like they purposely do the exact opposite of the meaning, just so people will get used to it.
A secret court and secret rulings? Transparency!
A congressional debate about the NSA? Secretive and un-informed!
Independent third party? DNI director!

bvar22
(39,909 posts)THIS General Clapper?
" Watch U.S. Intel Chief Clapper Lie to Congress "
Oh,...I'm feeling safer already.
This appointment is a slap in the face to Wyden,
an arrogant slap in the face to millions of concerned Americans,
and an insult to our democracy.
It just keeps getting worse,
and in response to the demand from MILLIONS of Americans, Congress & The Senate, the White House does THIS!!!???
Please tell me this is a story from he Onion.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)more blatant. I have to say I am surprised, I was worried about who might be on this 'committee' keeping in mind the disastrous choices for the Deficit Committee. But I didn't think they could be this blatant. If that isn't telling Progressive Democrats what this administration thinks of them, nothing will.
Well, it's time to begin changing strategy for those who actually care about this country. What has become more than obvious is we can't keep doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result.
CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)Theirs is "Who else you gonna vote for, sucker?"
The entire electoral process is corrupt & compromised. Gerrymandering, Citizens United, electronic voting, an apathetic populace. The ones who can fix it are the very ones who benefit from it. I'm sorry to say it, but I think we are royally screwed until the majority of Americas are feeling serious pain. And then, it may be too late. They have an incredible apparatus in place to keep us in our place.
Everyday I realize what an incredibly precious little slice of space-time I have been lucky to inhabit.
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)SamKnause
(14,896 posts)I wish I could form a review group.
I would like to see the majority of our legislatures, going back decades, arrested for treason !!!!
They are cannibalizing and destroying this country from within.
Liars, cons and swindlers.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)In the unlikely event that Clapper reports anything, there's always the Look-Forward-Doctrine.
Pholus
(4,062 posts)Again, read the directive. It actually is about maintaining the public trust by combating the INSIDER THREAT and unauthorized disclosures (about the program itself).
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER

Wargle Blargle!
Oh wait, this isn't Free Republic?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)care if we know. I bet he dictates Pres Obama's speeches.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Liberal_Dog
(11,075 posts)No...not really.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)have time!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)They must have something really big on Obama himself. How can he go along with this? I think we should refer to Clapper as the Tzar. Clapper and Gen. Alexander -- the duo who manage the government by coup. I wonder whether this intelligence dragnet is a set-up for a coup? An intelligence/military sort of coup.
Actually, maybe the coup has already taken place. It seems so odd that the protests of so many intelligent patriots are ignored in this way. It's as if we were already under a dictatorship.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)I admit for sometime I have thought they have something significant on Obama.
eomer
(3,845 posts)Such rapid success in his political career must mean he is a very talented politician. What does it entail, these days, to be a very talented politician who rises more rapidly than anyone else? I don't think it's just the ability to give great speeches (an ability he clearly has). I think that success also points to a talent to make the backroom deals, from the start.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)TxGrandpa
(124 posts)From Clapper:
http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/909-dni-clapper-announces-review-group-on-intelligence-and-communications-technologies
Note in reading Obama's directive, it mentions nothing about concerns of American citizens towards privacy.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)War, Inc merged with Washington DC, personified.

War Is Sell - Washington Elite Benefits from War
Christopher Bollyn
October 31, 2001
War has always been a profitable money machine for shrewd investors with foresight, but the extremely close connections of the Carlyle Group, a Washington-based private equity investment firm and major war profiteer, to the Bush and Bin Laden families raise unavoidable questions of waging war for profit.
Established in 1987 the Carlyle Group was founded by David Rubenstein, a former staff member in the Jimmy Carter White House, and his two partners, Dan D'Aniello and Bill Conway. Today there are 18 partners in the firm and one outside investor. The Washington Post has described Carlyle as a "merchant banking firm" set up "to serve corporations and wealthy families." From the beginning the founders of Carlyle have recruited former politicians as consultants: former President George H. W. Bush is among them, along with a host of other Bush family cronies.
The Bush connection to the Carlyle Group is nothing short of a scandal, according to Larry Klayman, a notable government watchdog best known for pursuing the scandals of former President Bill Clinton. Now that the United States is bombing Afghanistan and allocating huge sums of money for defense, including $40 billion for the "war on terrorism" and more than $200 billion [1994 dollars] for the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), the conflict of interest is "direct," Klayman says. "President Bush should not ask but demand that his father pull out of the Carlyle Group." Carlyle owns many of the companies that will share in the $200 billion JSF deal.
"Carlyle is as deeply wired into the current administration as they can possibly be," Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, said. "George Bush is getting money from private interests that have business before the government, while his son is president. And, in a really peculiar way, George W. Bush could, some day, benefit financially from his own administration's decisions, through his father's investments. The average American doesn't know that. To me, that's a jaw-dropper."
The Carlyle Group, which claims to be the largest U.S. private-equity fund with some $14 billion in assets, makes money by investing in undervalued companies and reselling them at a profit, employing a host of former top-level government officials from the Bush and Reagan administrations, including former President Bush, in a global "money machine." The Washington Business Journal said in May that the Carlyle Group "seems to play by a different set of rules." Carlyle is a high-end business open only to the very rich. The Carlyle empire has investments around the world, owns numerous defense related companies outright, and has considerable business with the U.S. government. It owns so many companies that it is now one of the biggest U.S. defense contractors and a major force in global telecommunications. Carlyle also serves as financial adviser to the Saudi government.
Carlyle's directory reads like a Who's Who of high-profile Republicans going back to the Reagan administration. The chairman is Ronald Reagan's former defense secretary, Frank Carlucci. Former Secretary of State James Baker III, former Budget Director Richard Darman, and Arthur Levitt, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission through most of the Clinton administration, are all senior advisers to the firm.
CONTINUED...
http://www.bollyn.com/war-is-sell-washington-elite-benefits-from-war
What Frank Church warned us about. And to think, I still hope for change.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)At least give me a little gift if you'll be #%^*ing me.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)A whole truck load of fucking chocolates....
lunasun
(21,646 posts)polynomial
(750 posts)In my opinion according to the first amendment;
Step one get rid of all the good old boys. That includes all top military chiefs of staff. Dump everyone connected to the Bush/ Cheney shadow government. Especially wind down the war convert to Pease time operations. Immediately post or publish a Valarie Plame stand down notification recall all agents especially all recruited during the Bush era.
Have all of them embedded with GPS to monitor their new duties. Dont fire them yet. Fire all contractors.
Step two organize immediately to install a new intelligence satellite system order a new task force to be covered by the media to destroy or verified by shooting down old intelligence satellites. Order a new upgrade immediately priority one presidential quick, chop-chop, right now new engineers technicians and administration staff. Terminate all Bush era government operations personal.
Step three arrests Bush and Cheney for treason.
Step four watches the economy improve and watch terrorism disappear.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It looks like he may have pulled a J. Edgar Hoover on the Obama administration, as in having the goods on somebody, maybe on a whole lot of somebodies? If you can use the President's own private emails and phone conversations against him, you could have tremendous power over him.
The NSA has complete access to everyone's electronic communications, so why couldn't they set up a side operation to collect dirt on high public officials. The records were available and the temptation would have been extreme. A much cruder system of gathering dirt and threatening blackmail is what kept Hoover in power at the FBI until they literally carried him out the door on a gurney.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)his emails, phone conversations and various communications...so, if
someone is listening in, they are in violation of that...although, maybe
it could be used to leverage the President. Dreadful thought.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)the communications he made AFTER assuming office. They could probably find plenty of leverage from info they already had. Russ Tice claims personal knowledge of NSA paying special attention to Senator Obama's communications.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)Going to take a peek!
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)it's the one where he talks about their oversight of Senator Obama. Everybody should probably see it at least once.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)CRH
(1,553 posts)sexting Monica Lewinsky while Anthony Wiener was listening in.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)You know, about how to hand over Florida to Cuba. Very heavy stuff.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)Blue Owl
(59,104 posts)n/t
kentuck
(115,406 posts)idkw2s.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release August 12, 2013
August 12, 2013
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/12/presidential-memorandum-reviewing-our-global-signals-intelligence-collec
MEMORANDUM FOR THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
SUBJECT: Reviewing Our Global Signals Intelligence Collection and Communications Technologies
The United States, like all nations, gathers intelligence in order to protect its national interests and to defend itself, its citizens, and its partners and allies from threats to our security. The United States cooperates closely with many countries on intelligence matters and these intelligence relationships have helped to ensure our common security.
Recent years have brought unprecedented and rapid advancements in communications technologies, particularly with respect to global telecommunications. These technological advances have brought with them both great opportunities and significant risks for our Intelligence Community: opportunity in the form of enhanced technical capabilities that can more precisely and readily identify threats to our security, and risks in the form of insider and cyber threats.
I believe it is important to take stock of how these technological advances alter the environment in which we conduct our intelligence mission. To this end, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I am directing you to establish a Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technologies (Review Group).
The Review Group will assess whether, in light of advancements in communications technologies, the United States employs its technical collection capabilities in a manner that optimally protects our national security and advances our foreign policy while appropriately accounting for other policy considerations, such as the risk of unauthorized disclosure and our need to maintain the public trust. Within 60 days of its establishment, the Review Group will brief their interim findings to me through the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), and the Review Group will provide a final report and recommendations to me through the DNI no later than December 15, 2013.
You are hereby authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.
BARACK OBAMA
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/12/presidential-memorandum-reviewing-our-global-signals-intelligence-collec
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)The sound of the NSA trembling with fear at the new oversight? No, it's the sound of one hand Clappering.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I would have thought by now you would have recognized that President Obama is all about obfuscation and deception.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Wow, that's impressive! Trust is going to bust out all over because of that.
How come there was no objective to make sure none of the programs violate the 4th Amendment? Maybe it just slipped his mind.
Oakenshield
(628 posts)I'm sure this is all part of his strategy. You just need to have faith. I find politics is much like worshiping the Lord, sometimes the people in charge work in mysterious ways.
I know this isn't a laughing matter, but man I needed that.
Oakenshield
(628 posts)I bet they would call this thread a "gratuitous" attack on the President as well. This story illustrates why it's so darn important that we hold him responsible. If we don't do it who the hell will? The Republicans sure as hell won't, I doubt they could even formulate a valid criticism if they tried.
great white snark
(2,646 posts)What is WillyT who hasn't had a good word since day one? Your hero?
Such stereotyping isn't very liberal but do what you need to.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)that expresses a differing opinion* should keep it limited to a specific group. Put them in a room and shut the door....silence....free speech zones comes to mind.
*with respect to the president, since you brought up BOG.
Guess GENERAL DISCUSSION isn't good enough for everyone.
:shrugs:
Oakenshield
(628 posts)Can't say the name rings a bell. As you may be able to tell by most post count, I'm rather new here. And at what point in my post did I say we should "rag" on the President? Now you're just putting words in my mouth.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)And actually... neither do I... having only joined in Jan. 2002.
Nice try, though.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Why do you think that?
great white snark
(2,646 posts)You know, spread out the outrage.
Oy.
I don't think Clapper has control over any decisions made by the group so the problem is Clapper appointing the group? The group giving decision to him and it will be kept secret? Obama is still President?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)If you do NOT know who or what the DNI is,
you really shouldn't be trying to comment on adult threads like this.
Just a tip to save you from future embarrassment.
No Charge.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Clapper is DNI, in case you missed that.
Pholus
(4,062 posts)From Obama's speech:
From the actual directive:
Public trust appears in each, so privacy is not about that. Nope, the actual function of the committee would seem to be to prevent "leaks" in the future -- paragraph two of the directive specifically talks about insider threats, but not surveillance overreach.
The public trust is obviously maintained by hiding as much as possible...
leveymg
(36,418 posts)AndyA
(16,993 posts)Would like to see a little more reason for hope, a lot more change, and a whole hell of a lot more transparency...like we were promised repeatedly.
TM99
(8,352 posts)that I was being a 'screamer' , 'hyperbolic' and 'irrational' for not trusting Obama's speech on Friday.
You know what I miss about Bush? There were no pretty speeches when he announced shit that was going to fuck us over as a nation.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)HEY! This is another BIG ONE headed for the "Obama Accomplishments List".
Accomplishment#127: Created a "Technical Review Group" to protect our Freedoms!!!
ANOTHER ACCOMPLISHMENT!!!!
Which way to the Mission Accomplished Parade?
You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]
Clappy.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)You should have taken a left turn at Albuquerque.
Progressive dog
(7,603 posts)to make recommendations to the Obama administration, makes me think that guy Obama really believes he was re-elected President.
Oh wait, he was.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)And...
Op.
Progressive dog
(7,603 posts)about what they say. I understand now, Obama is a should pick people at random to share secret information with.I don't think I'm missing the fact that he did not use the same words at his press conference and in his order, I just can't seem to figure out why it is part of a surveillance conspiracy.
Rex
(65,616 posts)They really do love to spit in our faces sometimes with the draconian, authoritarian, bullshit. You must really hate a populace to do these things in public. Same as him wanting CEOs from the companies that destroyed our working class in 2008. They promote those that do us the most harm.
Did you expect fairness?
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)for lying to Congress?
Oh, well, maybe Congress will impeach Clapper for lying to them?