Dear South bashers: Give up rock and roll

[taterguy]

Almost all good music in this country originated in the South.

If you're gonna complain about us, stop enjoying the stuff we produce that you enjoy.

Same goes for Krispy Kreme.

And stay the hell away from our beaches. They're too crowded anyway.

[CAPHAVOC]

1. Spring Broke

And the Dang Yankees can stay home for Spring Broke.

[roguevalley]

53. I will remember this when alaska gets it

[HereSince1628]

2. Yeah, I just hate it when

Those folks above hwy 64 act all Superior and make nasty comments about Milwaukee, Kenosha and Racine!

[taterguy]

3. HWY 64? That wasteland between Raleigh and Nags Head?

Or were you thinking of a different HWY 64?

[moriah]

9. All the damn stop lights!!!

I swear that drive sucks, not as much for the flatness after the mountains, but going to 55 then stopping... then 55, then stopping.... OVER and OVER and OVER fucking AGAIN....

I get better gas mileage going uphill through the mountains!

(Edit to add -- the route I'm thinking of is from Raleigh to my sister's dad's place in Morehead City... may be a different highway. STILL!)

[taterguy]

12. And that damn bridge over the Alligator River

I hate waiting for it when they have to open it just so some damn Yankee can get their sailboat up the Intercoastal Waterway.

[11 Bravo]

54. I'll bet you're thinking of Highway 70. Beaucoup traffic lights!

[moriah]

73. Yeah, that's it. Same area tho... ;) Most of the highways in that part of NC ....

... that aren't interstate are similar. There's a route through the mountains to Wilmington that doesn't use 40. Shorter, but MUCH longer of a drive.

I love North Carolina. Beautiful state!

[The Doctor.]

4. Ummm... Rock and Roll was derived from 'soul' music.

Meaning the people responsible for bringing us Rock and Roll were not treated very well more recently in the South.


On a side note; in person, people in the South are much more polite.

[dipsydoodle]

10. No it wasn't

Was generally derived from '40s R & B. The classic exception is Rock Around The Clock which used the riff from Victory Bounce.

Have some decent music :

[The Doctor.]

15. And where did R+B come from?

The Magical Musical Possum?

No, it's pretty well understood that Rock and Roll came from R+B which came from 'soul' music. Black folks gave us Rock and Roll.

The immediate roots of rock and roll lay in the rhythm and blues, then called "race music", and country music of the 1940s and 1950s.[15] Particularly significant influences were jazz, blues, gospel, country, and folk.[15] Commentators differ in their views of which of these forms were most important and the degree to which the new music was a re-branding of African American rhythm and blues for a white market, or a new hybrid of black and white forms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_roll

My parents actually owned that LP! We used to play it as kids.

[dipsydoodle]

17. What is commonly known as soul music followed the others

Soul music is a music genre originating in the United States combining elements of gospel music and rhythm and blues.[1] According to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, soul is "music that arose out of the black experience in America through the transmutation of gospel and rhythm & blues into a form of funky, secular testifying."[2] Catchy rhythms, stressed by handclaps and extemporaneous body moves, are an important feature of soul music. Other characteristics are a call and response between the soloist and the chorus, and an especially tense vocal sound. The genre also occasionally uses improvisational additions, twirls and auxiliary sounds.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_music

I still think I've got it the right way round.

[bluestate10]

60. Rock birthed from black experience music. I have no name suitable for anyone that deny that. nt

[dipsydoodle]

77. I must conclude that English isn't your first language.

Perhaps you need to get another to read through the above for you to explain the narrative.

The discussion was on the origin of R & R which I pointed out was R & B. If I expand on that it was actually a combination of that and Jump Jive both of which have their origins in Jazz.

Given that there's no doubt whatsoever that the origin of Jazz is black music it leaves no doubt that down the line the origin of R & R is black : NOT white.

btw - I'm English, 68 years old , have heavily been into Jazz since I was 14 years old and may well have a far better of your own music than you anyway.

[The Doctor.]

130. Glass houses being what they are, you said:

"btw - I'm English, 68 years old , have heavily been into Jazz since I was 14 years old and may well have a far better of your own music than you anyway."

It's nice that you have a 'better' than some of us.

You gave the distinct impression that you were denying what you now affirm. That is not the fault of the respondents, it is your own. Do not deign to condescend to someone you misled... especially if you fail the very test you put to them.

[bluestate10]

59. God. Southerners and sympathizers are such deniers. nt

[taterguy]

11. Rock and roll arose from economic inequality which is a nationwide issue

It was just a bit more pronounced in the South, and it was combined with oppressive heat and the mighty Mississippi.

[Number23]

110. I don't understand your post

Meaning the people responsible for bringing us Rock and Roll were not treated very well more recently in the South.

Can you explain what you are saying here? And Rock and Roll did originate from rhythm and blues which were all offsets of black, Southern music.

Jazz, if I'm not mistaken, did originate in the North along with hip hop. Black folks have made all of the best and most distinctly American music.

[taterguy]

121. You are mistaken. Jazz originated in New Orleans

[The Doctor.]

122. Black people have been treated badly in this nation,

That treatment persisted until 'more recently' in the South.

One can say that it still persists much worse there today.

[Number23]

123. "Black people have been treated badly in this nation"

Really? I hadn't noticed.

I'm still not at all sure what that has to do with the assertion that black people created rock and roll music which is a statement of fact.

[The Doctor.]

124. You're missing the 'sarcasm' tag.

I've deduced this based on the impossibility of someone being as incomprehending as you appear to be.

[Number23]

125. Your first comment in this thread made no sense and you have somehow managed to make

even less sense as you've continued.

Meaning the people responsible for bringing us Rock and Roll were not treated very well more recently in the South.

I asked what that meant and how it was relevant to the statement that black people created rock and roll to which you replied, "black people have not been treated well in this country" as if anyone over the age of 9/10 of a second old does not know already that.

But never mind. It doesn't appear that you understand your posts any better than I do. I've lost interest now anyway.

[The Doctor.]

126. If you cannot make sense of a thing, that doesn't mean it makes no sense.

It means the problem lies with you.

I'll try walking you through this slowly...


-The OP states we should 'appreciate' The South for 'giving us Rock and Roll'.

-The point I made, that you missed entirely, was that The South has historically been antagonistic to the very people who were most responsible for bringing about 'Rock and Roll'.

-You responded by saying that this nation (the USA) has not been antagonistic to black people, and that black people are not most responsible for giving us Rock and Roll.

-I suggested that you have all the historical sense and understanding of a mushroom.

-You insist that you have all the historical sense and understanding of a mushroom... with head injuries.


Now please alert on me so that 6 random people will be entertained one way or another.

Good night.

PS: (And while you're at it, claim it's "not you&quot

[Number23]

127. Yeah, it's kind of obvious that everything has flown over your head

You responded by saying that this nation (the USA) has not been antagonistic to black people, and that black people are not most responsible for giving us Rock and Roll.

If you can find a sentence, a word, hell I'd settle for a COMMA that I've written that backs up this ludicrously stupid comment, then you'd have a point.

Glad to see your "good night" comment. Judging by your posts, it is WAY past your bedtime.

[The Doctor.]

129. What world are you in?

Cause it ain't the real one.

"Black people have been treated badly in this nation"

Really? I hadn't noticed.


You didn't say you were being sarcastic. I'm asking you this out of genuine concern:

Are you okay? Have you had headaches lately? Blurred vision? Has anyone around you noticed a sharp change in your behavior or memory?

If not, then perhaps I'll repeat this until one of the interns can explain it to you:


-The OP states we should 'appreciate' The South for 'giving us Rock and Roll'.

-The point I made, that you missed entirely, was that The South has historically been antagonistic to the very people who were most responsible for bringing about 'Rock and Roll'.

-You responded by saying that this nation (the USA) has not been antagonistic to black people, and that black people are not most responsible for giving us Rock and Roll.

-I suggested that you have all the historical sense and understanding of a mushroom.


I really don't know what to say to someone that denies saying what they clearly said. Just what is it that you think went 'over my head'? It is very clear what went over yours since your very first admission in this exchange was that you failed to comprehend what I said.

[Number23]

131. And ALL I DID was ask how in the world your comment that the South had

been "antagonistic" (to use a really idiotic term to describe black people's treatment in this country) to black people had ANY bearing on the OPs point that rock and roll came out of the south and the further point that rock and roll had been created by black people. WHAT DOES THE SOUTH'S TREATMENT OF BLACK PEOPLE HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??????

Like I said, you don't seem to understand your own posts any better than I did. And I find it hilarious that someone who is tossing around such meaningless, asinine "points" has the nerve to try and toss around insults as well. And it would be utterly needless of me to point out that your insults are every bit as nonsensical and pointless as your other posts in this thread. But I will anyway...

Edit: And my "Really? I hadn't noticed" comment was in response to what is possibly the most inanely obvious statement in this history of DU -- that "black people have been mistreated in this country." I thought my "I hadn't noticed" comment would have been obvious sarcasm in response to such a ludicrous statement.

Maybe I should have just posted this instead:

[The Doctor.]

133. You are again pleading 'obliviousness'.

I'll grant it to you. You've earned it.

Go back to my first post and read it again. This time, I'll try and give you a talisman to help guide you:

The OP is about "The South" bringing us Rock and Roll. I made the point that "The South" was generally unfriendly to 'The People' that gave us 'Rock and Roll'. That means that 'The South' cannot 'take credit' for Rock and Roll without the admission that 'The South' could only have helped 'create' 'Rock and Roll' by being assholes to the people that actually DID create 'Rock and Roll'. I'm sorry you couldn't grasp that, but that is not my fault.

Are you still having trouble with this?

If so, just leave.

[Number23]

134. I thought you actually had a point somewhere

I see now that you never did. Which explains the DEVASTATING amount of bewildered cluelessness to my very simple question of: could you explain what you are saying here?

Finally, an answer. Though obviously an unintended one.

[The Doctor.]

135. Hahahaha!

It took you that long to figure it out, even with my earnest attempts to help you, and now you've come up with this pathetic attempt to appear 'superior'.

You win.

Just believe that.

My laughing is not your concern.

Edited to add: I can be accused of 'arrogance' and 'condescension', but the thing you are guilty of that I cannot be accused of (without embarrassing the accuser) is egocentrism. My ego is established, but it is not so fragile that I cannot admit when I am wrong in the face of reason, facts, and/or logic. That is how I grow as a person. What I am not willing to do is let people (like you) get away with pretentiousness.

Thus this exchange.

Cheers!

[Number23]

136. And the incoherent rambling continues...

Jeez, I thought you were bad upthread. Apparently, you were just getting warmed up.

I lost interest in trying to figure out your ramblings a few posts ago. Then you when you decided to try to add "insulting" to "incoherent" I responded a few times out of a mild attempt at salvaging this. But I've lost interest in everything to do with this conversation now. A complete and utter waste of time, this was.

[The Doctor.]

137. Yet you keep responding. I know why.

I've spelled it out for you. Anyone else can easily see the initial point I made. Even if they couldn't, my very first response to you would have cleared it up for them.

But not you.

You've finally realized that my point was very, very simple. You're embarrassed about your initial inability to comprehend it. But instead of being an adult and saying "Oh, I was confused but now I get it", you want to walk away 'righteous'.

But you can't.

Hell, I even gave you the chance to explain what it is that you think went 'over my head', but you can't do that either.

I'm truly amazed that such a simple point would be lost on anyone, but that is nothing compared to the amazement at someone clinging to their own obliviousness as a desperate attempt to save face. I would be embarrassed if I were behaving the way you are.

But by all means, keep it up.

[Number23]

140. Each post from you seems to average about 100 words. And yet you still say nothing

And all of this started because you didn't understand your OWN POINT well enough to answer a simple question when someone asked you to explain what you wrote.

Yet somehow, you have convinced yourself that *I* am the one who looks stupid in all of this. And why do I bet that you will CONTINUE to respond to me -- and in this absurdly mocking tone no less -- clearly once again not understanding that you're only making yourself look like you should be put somewhere for your own safety?

Edit: And I just noticed that you are now going back and replying AGAIN to my older posts even though you've already replied to them. Definitely the actions of a sane and rational person. It is really apparent that "winning" this conversation means the absolute world to you, so I'm going to let you win it by getting the last word. See! Now you're the champ! Good for you!

[The Doctor.]

143. Just keep going.

So, now I 'didn't understand my own point'?

How was it possible for me to explain it to you three different ways?

Why did other people understand it then?

Why are you still insisting that you were incapable of understanding it?

Why are you still embarrassing yourself?

I'm not letting you off the hook. I clearly understood what I wrote, I clearly explained it to you more than once, and you can't be an adult and stop digging yourself into a hole. Your ego won't let you admit that you failed to understand something and are projecting that failure on the author. Tell you what, I'll make an OP that asks people if they can understand the post you initially could not. That way, we can put on display three things: Your ineptitude, my original point, and the diplomacy of a handful of DUers who are kind enough to the inept to say: "Well, I understand it, but I can see why someone (of lesser cognition which I'm too polite to mention but is inherent in my response) might have been confused."

All you have to do is say 'okay' and I'll do it. I won't mention this thread, I won't mention you, I'll just post the OP's point and mine and ask people if they understand my meaning.

So what do you say?

[The Doctor.]

138. OMG, I'm getting so much entertainment out of this!

So, you engage in sarcasm, I point out that it is apparent that you are engaging in sarcasm, then you accuse me of not seeing that it was sarcasm?

The punchline?

You calling ME 'oblivious'!



Just give it up already.

[renie408]

5. You do realize that is just going to start the Krispy Kreme vs Dunkin Donuts war

don't you?

[hobbit709]

6. Neither of them can hold a candle to Mrs. Johnson's here in Austin.

[Arkana]

42. AMERICA RUNS ON DUNKIN', BOYS.

*craps out a flag, plays air guitar*

[taterguy]

7. Bring it on

[Romulox]

28. Tim Horton's is better than either of those. nt

[kentauros]

76. I've never had Tim Horton's

but it seems like I know a lot about them, thanks to SCTV and having been married to a Canadian at one time

When I do eat donuts, though, it's at Shipley's

Of course, I'd much prefer to have real, honest-to-goodness kolaches (not those "pigs-in-a-blanket" versions made by Kolache Factory.)

[MattBaggins]

80. Not even by a mile

[quinnox]

8. meh, you can keep krispy kreme

Those donuts are disgustingly sweet, and just yech to eat. As for the beaches, we have plenty of them on the West Coast. I have no desire to visit the south anyway.

[taterguy]

50. Coastal managemet originated in the South

The first national seashore was Cape Hatteras. Preserving beaches from development was a novel idea but it worked so it was adopted in places nationwide.

Without the South, every speck of California coastline would be dotted with high-rise hotels and McMansions.

You're welcome.

[mucifer]

13. Seems like all the krispy kreme stores closed here in Chicago.

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Hmm why can't they use the letter c instead of the letter k?

Just kidding. I really need to shut up.

But, it is true all the krispy kreme stores around here failed.

BTW I think Chicago is more segregated than just about any other city in the USA. It really sucks.

[stlsaxman]

44. they meant it to be Krispy Kreme Krullenz but no one knew what crullens were.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

95. KKK?

[stlsaxman]

100. of course... it's "The South", right?

[October]

109. Failed here in the Philly area too. Sickeningly sweet. No loss.

[boomerbust]

14. Here's the thing tater

I live in the northwoods of Michigans UP, and I think the snowbirds are fools. They are missing the best time of year. Fall and winter. So ya, you dont have to tell me to stay out of the "South". You can have it all to your self.

[intheflow]

16. Also: cotton.

Who needs comfy clothes/sheets/towels anyway?

[Autumn Colors]

19. If industrial hemp ever gets legalized, we won't need your cotton

or have to keep buying our hemp clothing from outside the USA. Hemp clothing lasts a lot longer anyway. *

Never had or care to have a Krispy Kreme donut.

Was forced to spend summers in Central Florida as a kid, so you can keep the south. At this point, You couldn't pay me to waste precious vacation time there. (Why would I want to go to your beaches and worry about oil contamination?)

And you said good music "in this country" ... so I can be just fine listening to British and other international music then and you can keep all the American stuff.

Keep your south.

Win, win, as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: * Several New England states have begun preparing for this day by already authorizing specific farms to grow industrial hemp when it becomes legal.

[bluestate10]

61. Bamboo cloth is softer and mucho more environmentally friendly. nt

[GeorgeGist]

18. All you really need to know about the origins of rock 'n' roll is that it started with slavery.

Read On!

http://www.history-of-rock.com/indx.html

[Odin2005]

20. That music came out of the African-American community

It is a product of a population affected by generations of suffering, pain, and oppression by white Southerners.

[Neoma]

103. Let me try to get your logic.

So you're saying that it wasn't made by southerners, just by blacks... Who happen to live in the south. And blacks aren't southern, they just live there.

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Ikonoklast]

21. Kripsy Kreme are greasy and covered in sugary goo to cover up the lack of flavor.

Rock 'N Roll is derived from R&B, but the Rock Hall of Fame is in Cleveland.

Possession is 9/10ths of the law.

Got plenty of beaches on the North Coast.

Can't really remember buying anything made south of the Mason Dixon Line that I 'enjoy'.

You are failing to convince me that I am really going to be missing anything.


Perhaps this is satirical?

[rug]

22. The worst event in American history is when Krispy Kreme crossed the Mason-Dixon line.

[quinnox]

25. lol, having tried them

I must agree!

[bluestate10]

62. I tried a couple. Was like pouring a bucket of sugar down my throat. nt

[stlsaxman]

102. eating Klispy Klemes is like listening to Kenny G. or drnking maple surple...

diabetic coma here we come!

[stlsaxman]

23. sure- you gave us sweet, greasy bread rolls and (now) oil-soaked beaches but NOT Rock-n-Roll...

Rock And Roll was born on Dec. 31st, 1952 in East Saint Louis, Illinois... ask Eric Clapton, Kieth Richards, Mick Jagger, Bonnie Raitt, etc.

From the Johnnie Johnson wiki page- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_Johnson_%28musician%29

...the Cosmopolitan Club in East St. Louis. On New Year's Eve 1952, Alvin Bennett had a stroke and could not perform. Johnson, searching for a last minute replacement, called a young man named Chuck Berry, the only musician Johnson knew who because of his inexperience, would likely not be playing on New Year's Eve. Although then a limited guitarist, Chuck Berry added vocals and showmanship to the group. As Bennett would not be able to play again because of his stroke, Johnson hired Berry as a permanent member of the trio.

... and i was at the filming of the movie-

Johnson received little recognition until the Chuck Berry concert documentary, Hail! Hail! Rock 'n' Roll in 1987. That attention helped Johnson, who was supporting himself as a bus driver in St. Louis at the time, return to music. He recorded his first solo album, Blue Hand Johnnie, that same year. He later performed with Keith Richards, Eric Clapton, John Lee Hooker, Bo Diddley and George Thorogood on Thorogood's 1995 live album Live: Let's Work Together. In 1996 and 1997, Johnson toured with Bob Weir's band, Ratdog, playing 67 shows.[3]

In 1999, Johnson's biography was released, Father of Rock and Roll: The Story of Johnnie B. Goode Johnson by 23-year-old Travis Fitzpatrick. The book was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize by Congressman John Conyers, and garnered Johnson more recognition.

In 2000, Johnson was inducted into the Rhythm and Blues Foundation.

Johnnie Johnson induction to the RNR Hall Of Fame:

and in his acceptance speech he sites Alan Freed's coining of the name upon seeing Chuck n Johnnie's band...

but- thanks for the do-nuts and watery sand, in any case!

[madokie]

24. Right on brother

[GoCubsGo]

26. Sorry, but Krispy Kremes are overrated.

I have lived in the South for the latter half of my life. I never understood why people rave over those things. The donuts from the German bakery in the town where I grew up put them to shame.

But, as for the beaches, I couldn't agree more. There are a few on the southern coast of South Carolina that aren't usually crowded. Not going to name them.

[Marrah_G]

27. Okay :)

[Romulox]

29. Question the historical accuracy of this.

Bill Hailey was born in Highland Park, Michigan, for example.

Leo Fender (as important a figure in rock history as any individual, was from California.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

30. originated = past tense

What happened?

[Progressive dog]

31. don't like krispy kreme

And by the way, how many of the actual rock and roll performers or songwriter are from the south? Yeah, a lot of right wing bigots and religionists live in the north, but in most places they don't get to impose their "morality" on others.

I'd be perfectly happy to give up rock and roll if we could also give up the legacy of slavery, aristocracy, and the civil war over slavery that the south gave us.

[L0oniX]

32. Yes thanks for the slaves ...where blues came from ...which came back as R&R from the UK

Just because Muddy and others came from the south doesn't make slavery right. Enjoy your confederate flag!

[FarCenter]

33. Rock and roll is the natural evolution of the application of electronics and amplification to music

See "Invention of the Electric Guitar" http://invention.smithsonian.org/centerpieces/electricguitar/invention.htm

There is also a progression of electronic keyboard instruments leading to modern synthesizers.

Tube amps gave way to higher-powered transistorized amps, which coupled to massive arrays of cone and horn speakers could fill a stadium with sound.

Classical music was an earlier application of woodworking technology, and marching, swing and jazz bands were an application of metalworking to music.

[taterguy]

51. And where was the electric guitar invented?

The South! That's where.

http://www.physics.ncsu.edu/news/physics_firsts_guitar.html

[FarCenter]

69. OK, but Rickenbacker electric guitars were being made in California in the mid '30s.

http://www.rickenbacker.com/history_early.asp

[stlsaxman]

34. If you mean Lynyrd Skynyrd, Marshall Tucker, Allman Brothers, etc...

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Keep 'em, thanks!

on edit- took out Doobies... it's all shit, anyways, a'ight?

[FarCenter]

35. Doobie Brothers? California is in the south?

[stlsaxman]

43. hehehe ooops!

okay... Charlie Daniels band, Molly Hatchet, Wet Willie, .38 Special...

[spanone]

36. bob seger cut all his great hits in muscle shoals, ala.

all the great stax records were cut in memphis

[Bake]

37. Elvis: Tupelo MS and Memphis.

Without The King there'd be no rock and roll.

Want to go further? All the great blues guys come from the Mississippi Delta.

End of story.

Bake

[Romulox]

38. "Elvis was a hero to most..." nt

[SidDithers]

46. "but he never meant shit to me..."

Sid

[Romulox]

47. Well alright, Sid!

[Number23]

111. Thank you, Sid. Even Elvis said he never understood the furor surrounding his music

because "colored folks had been doing (it) for years."

“The colored folks been singing it and playing it just like I’m doin’ now, man for more years than I know. They played it like that in the shanties and in their jukee joints, and nobody paid it no mind ’til I goosed it up. I got it from them. Down in Tupelo, Mississippi, I used to hear old Arthur Crudup bang his box the way I do now, and I said if I ever got to the place where I could feel like old Arthur felt, I’d be a music man like nobody ever saw.”

http://www.elvis-history-blog.com/elvis-racism_2.html

[MattBaggins]

81. Elvis? Please

That day and ages equivalent of Justin Bieber.

[baldguy]

39. Rock & Roll exists in spite of Southern culture, not because of it.

[Bake]

40. Really? Can you back that up?

I don't think so.



Bake

[taterguy]

49. Allow me to retort . . .

[baldguy]

87. Rock& Roll wasn't born in the '70s.

Elvis

Janis Joplin

The Rolling Stones

It's roots go back three centuries.

[taterguy]

88. Clip I posted was shot in 2005

[The Midway Rebel]

118. I agree and so does this author/professor that wrote this book I am reading.

http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/79fye2sx9780252072703.html

Race, Rock and Elvis -- Michael T. Bertrand


I am doing some archival research and writing this semester to bolster his point. Wish I had time to chat about it. Talking about Elvis and Antonio Gramsci on DU are guilty pleasures for me right now. I have to get back to reading for class.

[Arkana]

41. Don't like the beach, and I'm not much for rock music except Springsteen.

Also I prefer Dunkin' Donuts.

Does that mean I still get to mock you?

[KamaAina]

45. And quit reading, too

No more Faulkner, Welty, McCullers, Toole, or McCrumb for you!

[bluestate10]

65. Keep your second tiers. I will take the great Yankee writers and Poets any day.

Faulkner and Welty versus Thoreau, Dickinson and Melville? No contest, the north wins, AGAIN.

[NoGOPZone]

48. Nice to know that crowded beaches aren't a regional thing nt

[Rex]

52. Yuck KK.

Those are plastic donuts that the North can have!!! Just stay away from my Dunkin Donuts!!!

[MNBrewer]

55. Gladly

[Taverner]

56. The South forges a certain mettle in its liberals

You see, liberals and progressives in the Southeast or Texas have to fight, from day one. They may go to a progressive church here or work at a progressive university there - but in the end they are outnumbered. With those kinds of odds, you have to fight right out of the gates.

Here's to Southern and Texan Liberals and Progressives!

[bluestate10]

57. Nahhh! We will just win another civil war and take it all.

You are likely not one of them, but some people in the south want to re-fight the war against slavery over again every day.

[Tikki]

58. I love your music...

Thank you and your ancestors for that.
I don't eat donuts and many of your beaches have tar balls.

I lived in Louisiana for one year. Polite people to me.


Tikki

[ZombieHorde]

63. I am not a South basher, but rock & roll and Krispy Kreme are not hard to give up.

Rock is a pretty stale genre, and the only Krispy Kreme in my town failed an inspection and never recovered. I never tried their doughnuts.

[Logical]

64. paranoid much??? jesus, quit whining

[taterguy]

66. Someone telling me what to do

Must be a Yankee

[Hippo_Tron]

67. Not a south basher here, but didn't much of rock music come form England?

I know that rock has its roots in soul, blues, country western, etc. But many of the great rock bands of the late 60's and early 70's came from the UK. Now I'm not an too up on music history so I don't know the answer to this one way or another. Were these guys (The Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and others) predominantly influenced by blues and soul artists from the American south or were they predominantly influenced by people playing similar types of music across the pond?

[johnnie]

68. Krispy Kreme?

Krispy Kreme? Blahhhhhch.

And as for music...Dixie was written by a yankee...so there!

[madinmaryland]

70. Dumbass. Mozart was from Austria, not the Southern US.

[taterguy]

79. Dumbass? I've forgotten more about rock and roll then you'll ever know.

[Dawson Leery]

71. First, Rock is derived from R&B,

Which owes it's existence to the traditional ritual chants of the African slaves.

Second, you can keep Krispy Kreme, with it's lard covering and all.

[Motown_Johnny]

72. Sorry to learn of your hearing impairment

It must suck being tone deaf.


and I haven't had a Krispy Kreme in many long years. If I have had 12 in my entire life I would be surprised. Some gas stations up here carry them but that is about all they are good for, gas station donuts.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

74. I live in the south, and, quite frankly, the reputation it has is deserved

Ignorance rules here.

[cordelia]

78. Ignorance? Speak for yourself.

[Generic Brad]

96. There are rules for ignorance?

I did not know that!

[deaniac21]

142. Ignorance rules everywhere....

[dionysus]

75. you can keep skynyrd, i'll take neil young over them any day...

[NNN0LHI]

82. Fuck that. I ain't giving up my Stevie Ray Vaughan

Ever.

Don

[dionysus]

97. i'll grant you stevie ray, absolutely... i think the point is, you can't give one region of one

country any more credit for another for rock music. there's many great southern bands, but if one wanted to really get nit picky, you could say that perhaps

The Beatles
Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
Cream\ Eric Clapton
(hell, Jimi had to go to England to be discovered)

would make britain the king of rock.

many people from my generation, for instance, will tell you that the best rock music came out of the pacific northwest in the late 80's through the 90's....

[boppers]

83. "We beat the music out of black people" is a lousy argument to start with.

Yay, the south birthed a lot of genres.

By treating humans as livestock.

Woo.

[TroglodyteScholar]

84. I don't know how you can post flamebait like this without getting it hidden...

...but it's counterproductive anyway.

I was born in the south and lived there for the first ~30 years of my life. While it has made significant cultural contributions, it also continues to be a place where the dominant social and political perspectives are very ugly ones. Taunting people from other regions or calling them "yankees" isn't going to change that.

Maybe you ought to quit living in denial and recognize that everywhere has its good and bad points.

[Paladin]

85. Region-Bashing? Getting Hidden At DU? Yeah, Right...... (n/t)

[taterguy]

86. Your lack of knowledge of the taterguy exception is disturbing

[fascisthunter]

90. thanks for keeping it real

[fascisthunter]

89. oh brother...

[taught_me_patience]

91. All the real good stuff came from England

you keep Allman Bros. and I'll keep Beatles, Stones, Zep, and Floyd.

[taterguy]

92. All those bands except Zep were named in honor of Southern musicians

[NoGOPZone]

94. Yeah but Zeppelin made up for the original name

by stealing most of their music from Southern African-American blues musicians.

As Homer Simpson said, "There goes Jimmy Page, the greatest thief of American black music who ever walked the earth!"

[Iggo]

93. Or better yet, just move on to DU's newest shiny object!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002349546

[Blaze Diem]

98. I'm a true blue REO Speedwagon fan living in the south

& will always prefer England's contribution. Never really listened to much Elvis.

This is really a pointless thread since music is personal.
Cave men probably had this same argument as to the music of one clan vs. another.

[taterguy]

99. Thanks for missing the point completely

[Honeycombe8]

101. JAZZ--BLUES--ELVIS--BEATLES--ROCK&ROLL--BLUE GRASS---BANJO. Thank the South for these things.

Hank Williams Sr., Patsy Cline, Reba McIntyre, Dolly Parton, Reese Witherspoon, Loretta Lynn, Valerie Bertinelli, Debbie Reynolds, and MANY other people and things, particularly MUSIC, originated in the south.

Then there's the food. Cornbread, catfish, variety of shrimp dishes, gumbo, rice, sugar cane, fig pies (yum!), spicy sausage, more gumbo, vittles & fixins, fried chicken, watermelon, boiled crawfish, and on and on. Yeah, you can get those things elsewhere....but they came from the south.

[Neoma]

105. Bluegrass is a lot older than the beatles.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluegrass_music

&

What I'm listening to.

[Dawson Leery]

112. It is your opinion that one must be greatful for Ms. McEntire and Ms. Lynn.

I do not agree that their "contribution" has been meaningful.

[Honeycombe8]

117. Now, now. Let's be positive and not focus on the 2 things you don't like in a list of 20.

Let's put our happy hats on and play well with others.

[RebelOne]

144. BEATLES?? Maybe south Liverpool. n/t

[Rex]

104. Lived in the South all my life...

is it okay if I do it? Can I bash the South?

[taterguy]

106. No

[Zorra]

107. Bwaahaaaahaa! I just

performed Skynyrd´s "Freebird" in Nicaragua.

By request.

No shit.

The music can stay.

[Codeine]

108. Krispy Kreme donuts are the only thing oilier than your beaches!

I keed.

[taterguy]

120. Do you see any fucking oil in this pic?

I didn't think so

[Bonobo]

113. And without all the slavery, we wouldn't have blues or gospel either! nt

[Creideiki]

114. The Chicago Symphony Orchestra is in the South?

Who knew?

[Jamastiene]

115. K&R

[limpyhobbler]

116. Agreed. As long as you agree to stop using your computer because it was invented in the north.

[BlueIris]

119. Also your favorite books. Faulkner, Eudora Welty, Harper Lee--all Southerners. nt

[Throd]

132. And GWAR

[randr]

139. Rock & Roll and all "good" music for that matter

would have died on the vine without the millions of teenagers craving an identity removed from the past. They came from all over the world without any geographic identity other than mother earth.
Rock and Roll belongs to the planet and the people who dance to it.

[LanternWaste]

141. Small-minded provincialism will always find a way to rationalize hate.

Small-minded provincialism will always find a way to rationalize hate-- regardless of whether that hate is predicated on politics, on religion, on philosophy, on color, or even predicate it on the most benign thing imaginable-- land.

Where the will to hate without reason exists, so to will the numerous rationalizations we see... as an example, even a few in this thread.