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Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:23 PM

 

If you or anyone you know shops at Forever 21, read this immediately.



From US Uncut:

Retail company Forever 21 sent this letter to all full time/non-management employees informing them that they will be demoted to part time, they and their families will lose their health and dental benefits, and they will no longer qualify for paid time off. Employees believe the company is punishing them to retaliate against Obamacare.

We were asked to share this by one of our fans, and now we are asking you to do the same. Don't underestimate the power of your SHARE. Two weeks ago, US Uncut was the first place to widely publish McDonald's now notorious budget, and it went viral across mainstream media. Thank you.

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Reply If you or anyone you know shops at Forever 21, read this immediately. (Original post)
WilliamPitt Aug 2013 OP
truebrit71 Aug 2013 #1
CurtEastPoint Aug 2013 #2
Flatulo Aug 2013 #13
CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #3
no_hypocrisy Aug 2013 #4
kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #38
KamaAina Aug 2013 #5
WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #6
HangOnKids Aug 2013 #16
msongs Aug 2013 #10
kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #39
ms liberty Aug 2013 #7
kiawah Aug 2013 #8
NCTraveler Aug 2013 #9
Safetykitten Aug 2013 #19
WillyT Aug 2013 #11
jtuck004 Aug 2013 #12
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #21
jtuck004 Aug 2013 #24
Initech Aug 2013 #14
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #15
MineralMan Aug 2013 #17
olddots Aug 2013 #22
MineralMan Aug 2013 #23
Safetykitten Aug 2013 #18
Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #20
Safetykitten Aug 2013 #25
SoCalDem Aug 2013 #27
Safetykitten Aug 2013 #30
SoCalDem Aug 2013 #33
Safetykitten Aug 2013 #26
TinkerTot55 Aug 2013 #28
Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #29
RebelOne Aug 2013 #31
Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #44
Quantess Aug 2013 #41
MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #32
Skittles Aug 2013 #34
Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #35
B Calm Aug 2013 #36
Shankapotomus Aug 2013 #37
lynne Aug 2013 #40
TomClash Aug 2013 #42
MH1 Aug 2013 #43
MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #45
oberliner Aug 2013 #46

Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:25 PM

1. Wow....that is seriously messed up...

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:33 PM

2. I posted on my FB page and a RW 'friend' said 'Obamacare effects' I deleted her comment.

Bullshit blaming ACA for this. Simple greed.

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:41 PM

13. You're surprised that large retailers would take this action

 

as a response to the ACA? I recall dozens, if not hundreds of posts predicting this exact outcome.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:33 PM

3. Greatest Page for this very important story. n/t

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:34 PM

4. "Employees believe the company is punishing them to retaliate against Obamacare."

It won't work. Employees are pissed at their employer, not Obamacare and they don't likely believe that their healthcare and paid sick days will return if Obamacare were repealed. It's gone, forever gone.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:17 AM

38. They blame it on Obama care and hope everyone will believe that. Posted to FB. nt

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:35 PM

5. It so happens there is a Forever 21 overlooking the cable car turnaround in San Francisco

 

I couldn't think of a better site for direct action.

Also, Forever 21 proudly bills itself as a Christian company. It must be true, 'cause they put "John 3:16" on their bags. Never mind Whose Benefits Would Jesus Cut?

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:37 PM

6. Matthew 6:5-6, please.

 

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:42 PM

16. Peyton Got A Gift Card For Her 12th Birthday From "21"

 

The store we went to was filthy and most of the clothes looked they were from "Sluts are Us." She bought 25 plain tees from the sale rack and we took them to Glide Memorial as a donation.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:23 PM

10. christian - fleece the flock in the name of mammon nt

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:18 AM

39. Almost every "Christian" business I know is RW and anti-employeed. nt

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:46 PM

7. LOL...I don't even know what kind of store it is, I've never seen one...

Mainly because I live way out in the BFE. It sounds like some dress shop for "mature women" to buy clothes that are way too young for them to actually be wearing in public - and since I quit dressing like that when I became a forty-something (some time ago now) I wouldn't go there anyway. The name alone is too cute by half for me, so it will be an easy boycott for me to join!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:19 PM

8. Ivy Tech Community College in Indiana did the same thing

 

They are the largest community college system in the U.S. They are cutting the hours of their adjunct faculty so that they do not have to pay for health care. They basically came right out and said they were doing it because of the ACA.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:23 PM

9. This is happening every day.

 

People on this very board saw it coming from the beginning. I am not sure why there is any "shock" that many companies are doing this.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:45 PM

19. We told them again and again. I posted personal examples. Still non-belief.

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:28 PM

11. K & R !!!

 




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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:33 PM

12. Get used to it...(i.e. find a way to survive)...

 

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Third time in history part-time jobs are exceeding full-time, but it's the largest. Economics and the trend suggests that it may last for another decade or two, at a minimum.




...since the December 2007 start of the depression, full time jobs have declined by 6.9 million while part-time jobs have increased by 3.1 million.
Here.


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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #12)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:51 PM

21. Thanks for posting both charts. I was about to call out on the dubious use of the second chart, but

Thanks for posting both charts. I was about to call out on the dubious use of the second chart, but then I saw the first one (same data set) and the context is perfectly placed. Together they work much better than either one alone.

The second chart of course suffers from the "stealth interrupted axis" defect, but the first chart shows it in context and all is good.

Thanks.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #21)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:55 PM

24. Yeah, I kinda had the same thoughts, but together they make more sense.

 


I might wear them both at Halloween - it oughta scare the crap outa people who think we are recovering...

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:41 PM

14. We need to change our labor laws pronto.

A boycott of just one company isn't going to cut it. We're a first world country with third world labor laws, and our health care expenses dwarf the next 40 countries combined. Our workers get treated like absolute shit and one thing that comes along to benefit gets torn down (well, 40+ attempts, anyway ) by those in power, and it needs to be dealt with. Of course our chicken shit teabagger Congress will not cooperate.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:42 PM

15. Making examples put the fear of the market into the cold hearts of companies contemplating

Making examples of companies by boycotting when these egregious actions arise will put the fear of the market into the cold hearts of companies contemplating similar actions and save many workers jobs and benefits.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:42 PM

17. The only people who shop at Forever 21 are

skinny teens and 20-somethings who don't mind cheap sweatshop clothing that falls apart after two wearings. They don't do boycotts. They don't read. They don't think. They just shop.

Sad but true.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:52 PM

22. it's so sad

 

we used to be the boycotters when we were young skinny 16- 30 year olds

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Response to olddots (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:54 PM

23. Yah, we were, but there were lots more that age at that time who just

looked at us blankly and went shopping. We always were a minority, really.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:44 PM

18. We knew this would happen. You can't boycott everyone doing it. You will have to grow...

 

your own food. The law needs changing. We have to bat cleanup for the devotees of this HC disaster.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:48 PM

20. kick

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:57 PM

25. And the bonus, they know that many will not be able to afford COBRA. What a deal!

 

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Response to Safetykitten (Reply #25)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:21 PM

27. It's also likely that only a few at any location were even working more than 29.5 hrs

per week.

The business model for the Mall/Big Box economy is precisely that.. 20-25 hrs per week (keep 'em hungry for hours, so they'll come in at a moment's notice).

If you schedule someone six 4's, they will almost always come in early,stay late, but if you give them three 8's, they will find an extra job to fill their days off.

These companies hire lots of people who make so little that most cannot afford to buy into the insurance even if they are eligible.. They have little or no interest in the welfare of their employees, since they are all infinitely replaceable.

This company has actually done their employees a favor. If the employees are relatively young (as I suspect most are at this chain), the will fit the heavily subsidized plans soon to be available to them. At $10 an hour, their gross is only $295 a week to start with & after taxes, they now may pay even less than what F21 was "offering" some of them.

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #27)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:24 PM

30. Uh, really don't have a response right now for your post. Just wow.

 

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Response to Safetykitten (Reply #30)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:33 PM

33. fixed an obvious typo & posted the ACA chart

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:07 PM

26. Sadly, this is a small wave, the big waves will be coming in the next year, as it will be a tidal

 

wave of this. Boycotts will not work, nor anything else as the amount of companies will overwhelm any action.

Only changing the law. That is the only solution.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:23 PM

28. In agreement with all of the above...

...plus would add: all cuts are for "non-management."

So, the actual staff who deal with customers are being shafted, but there are no plans to cut management, who probably will continue with their higher pay and full benefits.

My teenage daughters shopped there...but no more.
Our family will boycott them.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:24 PM

29. I mostly buy my clothes at Costco.

I've never ever heard of this place.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #29)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:28 PM

31. Never heard of it either. I usually buy clothes at Kohl's.

They have great prices and great styles.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #31)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:56 AM

44. Next time you're in there, ask around for a full time employee.

 

When they opened in Portland, they were very open about there being no full-time positions.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:37 AM

41. Forever 21 is not your style, unless you are a cross-dresser.

Their angle is trendy clothing for young women, at super cheap prices.

I remember a "Bad Girls" reality show participant said that she likes to shop at Forever21 for something cute & trendy, then go out for a wild night on the town, and get wasted. She doesn't care if her outfit gets trashed because it didn't cost her very much.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:33 PM

32. Another example of why health care should not depend on employment.

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:31 AM

34. CORRECT

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:35 AM

35. Sure. Unless you want people at the complete mercy of their employer for their family's health care.

but who would want that?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:38 AM

36. This kind of bullshit could have been avoided with a public option.

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:59 AM

37. Don't you just love the presumptuous tone?

They've already concluded that their employees WILL be hanging around for this crap. Oh, really now?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:20 AM

40. This is no longer unusual -

- my own part-time hours were capped at 29 per week so as to avoid being eligible for health insurance. People are now working 2 and 3 part time jobs as there are few to none full time jobs available and they still get no insurance.

Part time jobs with no benefits will continue until the law changes.



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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:45 AM

42. Boycott

This is why there are UNIONS. This doesn't happen if you have a right to strike, a right to bargain collectively, a right to file grievances.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:51 AM

43. I'd never heard of the place before, but I'll kick this thread anyway. nt.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:00 PM

45. Hey Will, there's a Forever 21 at the Arsenal Mall

 

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How about you and I set up a picket or leafleting or something? I'd expect it would cause some pain for them.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:08 PM

46. This post is full of BS

 

The letter was not sent to all full time/non-management employees.

The cuts affect less than 1% of of all U.S. store employees.

Around 300 out of over 30,000.

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