When did we decide systemic violation of rights no big deal as long as not "intentional"?

[dkf]

@normative: When did we decide systemic violation of people's rights is no big deal as long as it's not "intentional"?


This isn't the standard by which the constitution works. Shame on DiFi and Rogers for pretending it is so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023473150

[liberal_at_heart]

1. when we got a democratic president. If we had a republican in the White House right now this website

would be on fire about the abuses that are taking place.

[NoOneMan]

3. Thats about the long and short of it

[MotherPetrie]

4. Bingo

[1awake]

5. That is EXACTLY on target. You've earned a cigar. n/t

[sabrina 1]

7. That is a sad fact. But on the good side, it is a very small minority here. Most Democrats

across the board, feel exactly as they always did about all these Bush policies.

[awoke_in_2003]

12. Yes, a very vocal minority...

but a minority none the less.

[Skip Intro]

9. Exactly. n/t

[forestpath]

10. +1000

[PowerToThePeople]

14. this. n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

21. Huzzah. Obama let Bush and crew WALK and nary a word. n/t

[bemildred]

2. Raygun, is when I remember I started hearing that.

Before that it was all the3 buck stops here and taking responsibility, in public anyhow. Then with Raygun, or maybe it was Nixon's pardon, we started making excuses for the upper classes and getting harsher with the proles.

[awoke_in_2003]

13. Nixon is when accountability...

went out the window, IMO.

[bemildred]

18. Actually, I think that was the critical failure, though you can argue Warren Commission for that.

[KoKo]

19. Yes...back that far

JFK, MLK, Wallace, Bobby... Too many assassinations in that time frame to be coincidence of the rogue or lone gunman. Then Nixon. He shouldn't have been pardoned..but made an example of so that further Presidents wouldn't be tempted.

We should have nipped it in the bud. We "Moved Forward" just like after "9/11" and we see now what has happened with our NSA Surveillance state and undeclared wars.

In hindsight for those of us who remember those times.

[pscot]

6. How do we know it's not intentional?

[Fire Walk With Me]

8. It's normalization for when it IS intentional. We'll be used to it by then. n/t

[limpyhobbler]

17. yeah. If we complain later then they'll say "What? You all know we've been doing this for years". nt

[Th1onein]

11. Absolutely, dkf!

There is no excuse. None, for what they are doing.

[cherokeeprogressive]

15. When protecting the legacy of a Democratic President became of paramount importance.

Even if he wasn't involved in setting up the program.

[Demo_Chris]

16. This "He didn't start it" line seems to be the latest defense. It's weak...

Sorry, but it doesn't fly for five year olds or Constitutional scholar Presidents.

[woo me with science]

20. kick

[uponit7771]

22. When we decided all humans had to be as perfect as SnowGangers wanted them to be and that the

..."government" had to be even more so because you know.... SnowGangers will post on a politcal forum and shit if they're not

[ileus]

23. It's ok when our side does it...it's for our own good.

When they do it we know there's harm intended.

[Demo_Chris]

24. We decided this in January of 2009. nt