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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:15 PM Aug 2013

Pink Floyd Star’s New Israel BOYCOTT LETTER To "Family Of Rock & Roll"

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Pink Floyd star Roger Waters has today published a long-awaited open letter calling on his fellow musicians to boycott Israel. The letter explains that Waters has been part of the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement for seven years, and has been mulling the letter over for some time. He condemns Israeli human rights violations and explains the reasons to act:


Long-awaited


In an exclusive interview with The Electronic Intifada’s David Cronin back in March, Waters revealed he had been drafting the letter. “What caused me to write this public letter was an affair where Stevie Wonder was hired to play a gala dinner for the Israeli Defense Forces,” he said, recounting how he and others wrote to Wonder asking him to cancel – which he eventually did.



The interview went viral at the time, gaining the attention of Rolling Stone, among others.By April the letter had yet to appear and, following an interview with The Huffington Post that Waters says was “misinterpreted,” several media reports claimed Waters was “reconsidering” his position on boycotting Israel. Waters wrote on Facebook soon afterwards that he had only meant he was considering the text of the letter, and not “my position on the Israel/Palestine issue” overall. The publication of this letter today makes Waters’ position in favour of on the boycott of Israel clear – in support of the Palestinian-led BDS movement.





Full letter

18th August 2013, Warsaw To My Colleagues in Rock and Roll

Nigel Kennedy the virtuoso British violinist and violist, at The Recent Promenade Concerts at The Albert Hall in London, mentioned that Israel is apartheid. Nothing unusual there you might think, then one Baroness Deech, (Nee Fraenkel) disputed the fact that Israel is an apartheid state and prevailed upon the BBC to censor Kennedy’s performance by removing his statement. Baroness Deech produced not one shred of evidence to support her claim and yet the BBC, non political, supposedly, acting solely on Baroness Deech’s say so, suddenly went all 1984 on us. Well!! Time to stick my head above the parapet again, alongside my brother, Nigel Kennedy, where it belongs. And by the way, Nigel, great respect man. So here follows a letter last re-drafted in July.


25th July 2013 To My Colleagues in Rock and Roll.

In the wake of the tragic shooting to death of un-armed teenager Trayvon Martin and the acquittal of his killer Zimmerman, yesterday, Stevie Wonder spoke at a gig declaring that he will not perform in the State of Florida until that State repeals its “Stand your ground” Law. In effect he has declared a boycott on grounds of conscience. I applaud his position, and stand with him, it has brought back to me a statement I made in a letter I wrote last February 14th, to which I have referred but have never published.

The time has come, so here it is.

This letter has been simmering on the back burner of my conscience and consciousness for some time.

It is seven years since I joined BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) a non violent movement to oppose Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and violations of international law and Palestinian human rights. The aim of BDS is to bring international attention to these Israeli policies, and hopefully, to help bring them to an end. All the people of the region deserve better than this.

To cut to the chase, Israel has been found guilty, independently, by international human rights organizations, UN officials, and the International Court of Justice, of serious breaches of international law. These include, and I will name only two;

The Crime of Apartheid: The systematic oppression of one ethnic group by another. On 9 March 2012, for instance, the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination called on Israel to end its racist policies and laws that contravene the prohibition against racial segregation and apartheid.

The Crime of Ethnic Cleansing: The forcible removable of indigenous peoples from their rightful land in order to settle an occupying population. For example, in East Jerusalem non Jewish families are routinely physically evicted from their homes to make way for Jewish occupants.

There are others.

Given the inability or unwillingness of our governments, or the United Nations Security Council to put pressure on Israel to cease these violations, and make reparations to the victims, it falls to civil society and conscientious citizens of the world, to dust off our consciences, shoulder our responsibilities, and act. I write to you now, my brothers and sisters in the family of Rock and Roll, to ask you to join with me, and thousands of other artists around the world, to declare a cultural boycott on Israel, to shed light on these problems and also to support all our brothers and sisters in Palestine and Israel who are struggling to end all forms of Israeli oppression and who wish to live in peace, justice, equality and freedom.

I am writing to you all now because of two recent events.

1) Stevie Wonder. Word came to me, the first week of last December that Stevie Wonder had been booked to headline at a gala dinner for the Friends of The Israeli Defence Force in LA on 6th December 2012. An event to raise money for the Israeli armed forces, as if the $4,300,000,000 that we the US tax payers give them each year were not enough? This came right after The Israeli defence Force had concluded yet another war on Gaza, (Operation Pillar of Defence), according to human rights watch, committing war crimes against the besieged 1.6 million Palestinians there.

Anyway, I wrote to Stevie to try to persuade him to cancel. My letter ran along these lines, “Would you have felt OK performing at the Policeman’s Ball in Johannesburg the night after the Sharpeville massacre in 1960 or in Birmingham Alabama, to raise money for the Law Enforcement officers, who clubbed, tear gassed and water cannoned those children trying to integrate in 1963?” Archbishop Desmond Tutu also wrote an impassioned plea to Stevie, and 3,000 others appended their names to a change.org petition. Stevie, to his great credit, cancelled!

2) Earlier that week I delivered a speech at The United Nations. If you are interested you can find this speech on you tube.

The interesting thing about these two stories is that there was NOT ONE mention of either story in the mainstream media in the United States.

The clear inference would be that the media in the USA is not interested in the predicament of the Palestinian people, or for that matter the predicament of the Israeli people. We can only hope they may become interested as they eventually did in the politics of apartheid South Africa.

Back in the days of Apartheid South Africa at first it was a trickle of artists that refused to play there, a trickle that exercised a cultural boycott, then it became a stream, then a river then a torrent and then a flood. (Remember Steve van Zant, Bruce and all the others? “We will not Play in Sun City?”) Why? Because, like the UN and the International Courts of Justice they understood that Apartheid is wrong.

The sports community joined the battle, no one would go and play cricket or rugby in South Africa, and eventually the political community joined in as well. We all as a global, musical, sporting and political community raised our voices as one and the apartheid regime in South Africa fell.

Maybe we are at the tipping point now with Israel and Palestine. These are good people both and they deserve a just solution to their predicament. Each and every one of them deserves freedom, justice and equal rights. Just recently the ANC, the ruling party of South Africa, has endorsed BDS. We are nearly there. Please join me and all our brothers and sisters in global civil society in proclaiming our rejection of Apartheid in Israel and occupied Palestine, by pledging not to perform or exhibit in Israel or accept any award or funding from any institution linked to the government of Israel, until such time as Israel complies with international law and universal principles of human rights.

Roger Waters




http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/pink-floyd-stars-new-israel-boycott-letter-family-rock-and-roll
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Pink Floyd Star’s New Israel BOYCOTT LETTER To "Family Of Rock & Roll" (Original Post) Segami Aug 2013 OP
It's getting real. bravenak Aug 2013 #1
AutoRogerWatersDURec KG Aug 2013 #2
K&R! G_j Aug 2013 #3
K&R. thank you, Mr. Waters. That had to have taken a lot of freaking guts. n/t Whisp Aug 2013 #4
Good for Roger. progressoid Aug 2013 #5
Good for him! VADem1980 Aug 2013 #6
since the jews built the old temple in jerusalem well before their were muslims rdking647 Aug 2013 #13
Well, if you want to determine land ownership based on "who built what" thousands of years ago... Xithras Aug 2013 #23
And there lies the extreme weakness of your argument cpwm17 Aug 2013 #25
Always Loved Pink Floyd! Howler Aug 2013 #7
Excellent! SaveOurDemocracy Aug 2013 #8
Cue the "he's an anti-Semite" chorus Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #9
They haven't punched in yet. Segami Aug 2013 #11
Fortunately Angelonthesidelines Aug 2013 #12
K & R democrank Aug 2013 #10
good for him. I've often wondered when the hell Isreal was going to stop building illegal liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #14
Good for him They_Live Aug 2013 #15
A Roger waters video from 2006 on you tube, and I cut and pasted two of the replies on you tube... Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #16
And yet another memorable moment by roger waters and Sinead O' Conner Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #18
Profound letter. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #17
Yes. He should move his 'tour' to Cairo and Damascus and play there. PCIntern Aug 2013 #19
Ever been over there yourself? Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #20
Israel? Yes. PCIntern Aug 2013 #21
K and r panader0 Aug 2013 #22
Locking-This belongs in the Israel/Palestine room. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #24
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
1. It's getting real.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:26 PM
Aug 2013

Uh oh. Lets see if he gets any assistance.

KG

(28,795 posts)
2. AutoRogerWatersDURec
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:39 PM
Aug 2013

G_j

(40,569 posts)
3. K&R!
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:43 PM
Aug 2013
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
4. K&R. thank you, Mr. Waters. That had to have taken a lot of freaking guts. n/t
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:44 PM
Aug 2013

progressoid

(53,179 posts)
5. Good for Roger.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:54 PM
Aug 2013
 

VADem1980

(53 posts)
6. Good for him!
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:20 PM
Aug 2013

The entire nation of Israel is an occupying force and needs to be given back to the Palestinians they stole it from!!!

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
13. since the jews built the old temple in jerusalem well before their were muslims
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:13 PM
Aug 2013

claiming that israel somehow "stole" israel is just pure BS

arguing about the west bank and gaza is one thing. talking about the rest of the country as somehow belonging to th eplaestinians is just plain bullshit

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
23. Well, if you want to determine land ownership based on "who built what" thousands of years ago...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:52 PM
Aug 2013

...then the time has come to march all of the whites in America into camps, to evict all of the nonwhites from Europe, to seize about half of China for the Turkomen, to evict everyone who isn't black from southeast Asia and Australia, and to genetically test and drive out any British people who have Norse or German DNA in their blood (which is most of them).

It's funny how the very idea sounds racist and idiotic when applied to other areas and ethnic groups, but is somehow acceptable to the defenders of Israel.

Besides, the idea really does fail on its face when looked at closely anyway. While there was inarguably a Jewish diaspora, the population of Palestine was overwhelmingly Christian when the Muslims invaded. That Christian population was primarily descended from the original Christian Jews...the worlds first major Christian population were Jews who abandoned Judaism in favor of Christianity, and they were not subject to the same kind of repression as the Jewish population was. These Jewish Christians had the same claim to the land as their nonconverted Jewish relatives had. When the Muslims invaded, most of these Jewish Christians were forcibly converted to Islam. There have now been multiple genetic studies indicating that the majority of Muslim Palestinians are the genetic descendents of the Christians and Jews who lived in the area when it was conquered in the 7th century.

The argument that the Israeli's have more claim to the land than the Palestinians is ONLY valid if you also accept the belief that changing your religion somehow voids your own ancestry and heritage. It's saying that the invading Israelis' have a right to keep their land because they left the region and kept their original religion, while the original Israeli's who stayed in their homelands and changed religions somehow forfeited their right to that land. It's an offensive idea, one that violates both international law and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and one that should be patently unacceptable to anyone who claims to be any sort of liberal or progressive. The land belongs to the people, not a religion.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
25. And there lies the extreme weakness of your argument
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:56 PM
Aug 2013

You rationalize this over some ancient temple. That's amazing.

Howler

(4,225 posts)
7. Always Loved Pink Floyd!
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:25 PM
Aug 2013

With Waters or Gilmore! I hope this goes forward and people do start boycotting.

SaveOurDemocracy

(4,566 posts)
8. Excellent!
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:26 PM
Aug 2013

Let's hope this trickle becomes a stream, river, torrent, flood...

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
9. Cue the "he's an anti-Semite" chorus
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:29 PM
Aug 2013
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
11. They haven't punched in yet.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:55 PM
Aug 2013
......but soon....pretty soon.
 
12. Fortunately
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:10 PM
Aug 2013

This knee-jerk reaction has become just that. The invective anti-Semite has lost it's tarnishing effect on the target.

Hopefully this trend will reflect in public opinion in the US from which Israel gets most of their funding.

democrank

(12,598 posts)
10. K & R
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:30 PM
Aug 2013

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
14. good for him. I've often wondered when the hell Isreal was going to stop building illegal
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:13 PM
Aug 2013

settlements. Apparently never.

They_Live

(3,373 posts)
15. Good for him
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:19 PM
Aug 2013

may many follow his example.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
16. A Roger waters video from 2006 on you tube, and I cut and pasted two of the replies on you tube...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:20 PM
Aug 2013

Well worth the listen. I was sent to Beirut in 1983, as a result of the bombing!

The Beirut Barracks Bombings (October 23, 1983 in Beirut, Lebanon) occurred during the Lebanese Civil War, when two truck bombs struck separate buildings housing United States and French military forces—members of the Multinational Force (MNF) in Lebanon—killing 299 American and French servicemen. An obscure group calling itself 'Islamic Jihad' claimed responsibility for the bombing.[1]
Suicide bombers detonated each of the truck bombs. In the attack on the building serving as a barracks for the 1st Battalion 8th Marines (Battalion Landing Team - BLT 1/8), the death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 sailors and three soldiers, along with 60 Americans injured, representing the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since World War II's Battle of Iwo Jima, the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States military since the first day of the Vietnam War's Tet Offensive, and the deadliest single attack on Americans overseas since World War II.[2] In addition, the building's elderly Lebanese custodian was killed in the first blast.[3] The explosives used were equivalent to 9,525 kg (21,000 pounds) of TNT.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

vitokuloanaj 2 years ago
all respect roger waters.. i'm lebanese and I know what you're saying.. thank you ... thank you ... thank you roger waters.. thank you for being such an artist.. thank you for pink floyd and thank you for giving us this great feeling that music can change the world and make it a safe place to be.. peace is the answer roger.. it's peace you're talking about

Hergest Ridge 2 years ago
"Don't let the might of the christian right fuck it all up for you and the rest of the world"
Never was the f-word better used in the history of music.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
18. And yet another memorable moment by roger waters and Sinead O' Conner
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:26 PM
Aug 2013
 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
17. Profound letter.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:24 PM
Aug 2013

Kudos to Mr. Walters

k&r



PCIntern

(28,366 posts)
19. Yes. He should move his 'tour' to Cairo and Damascus and play there.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:32 PM
Aug 2013

It only makes sense...perhaps concerts in the street, from the back of a stake-truck...there, he cold pick up the vibe of true democracy at work.

just in case

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
20. Ever been over there yourself?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:40 PM
Aug 2013

PCIntern

(28,366 posts)
21. Israel? Yes.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:41 PM
Aug 2013

What's your point?

panader0

(25,816 posts)
22. K and r
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:41 PM
Aug 2013
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
24. Locking-This belongs in the Israel/Palestine room.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:56 PM
Aug 2013
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