Oh My... I DO Love The New Meme... Greenwald Is Correct, He's Just Bad At It...

[WillyT]

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Link?

I don't know what you're referring to

[WillyT]

3. I'd Have To Name Names.. And That Ain't Cool...

But... if you look through the most popualr/diasagreeable threads...

[Cali_Democrat]

7. Oh gawd

This feels like grade school.

[WillyT]

8. True.. But Isn't There A ule Here About Naming Names ???

And... couldn't it get one suspended, in trouble... BANNED ???

Just asking.

[MrMickeysMom]

9. I would like to be fair...

And, it does seem like "high school" on some of these most disagreeable threads.

Generically referring to some on DU who are siding with "conventional wisdom" whether it be the White House or MSM, I say, let them have their say. I'll refrain form calling out anyone, trying to stay as fair as I can.

I like a good debate. I also deal with all KINDS of assholes on a day to day basis within a local framework of politics. I know why people congregate in numbers. It's because to destroy what structure they know as "true" is so traumatic, they have to resort to high school tactics.

[Dr. Strange]

35. I don't think so.

This is DU3, with more transparency. You can name names and give links. Let DUers make up their minds.

[Surya Gayatri]

27. Word! (even worse than middle school--and that's degrees worse than grade school...)

[Recursion]

10. I've been saying it for weeks. I know I've hit a nerve when I get upgraded to "meme"

or "talking point".

I'm still trying to figure out the schedule, though; I started saying this a long time ago but apparently he just noticed it.

[GeorgeGist]

2. Sounds like they're beginning ...

the bargaining phase of grief.

[WillyT]

5. Could Be... Elisabeth Kübler-Ross...

The stages, popularly known by the acronym DABDA, include:[2]

Denial — "I feel fine."; "This can't be happening, not to me."

Denial is usually only a temporary defense for the individual. This feeling is generally replaced with heightened awareness of possessions and individuals that will be left behind after death. Denial can be conscious or unconscious refusal to accept facts, information, or the reality of the situation. Denial is a defense mechanism and some people can become locked in this stage.

Anger — "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"

Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue. Because of anger, the person is very difficult to care for due to misplaced feelings of rage and envy. Anger can manifest itself in different ways. People can be angry with themselves, or with others, and especially those who are close to them. It is important to remain detached and nonjudgmental when dealing with a person experiencing anger from grief.

Bargaining — "I'll do anything for a few more years."; "I will give my life savings if..."

The third stage involves the hope that the individual can somehow postpone or delay death. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made with a higher power in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. Psychologically, the individual is saying, "I understand I will die, but if I could just do something to buy more time..." People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek to negotiate a compromise. For example "Can we still be friends?.." when facing a break-up. Bargaining rarely provides a sustainable solution, especially if it's a matter of life or death.
Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"

During the fourth stage, the dying person begins to understand the certainty of death. Because of this, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time crying and grieving. This process allows the dying person to disconnect from things of love and affection. It is not recommended to attempt to cheer up an individual who is in this stage. It is an important time for grieving that must be processed. Depression could be referred to as the dress rehearsal for the 'aftermath'. It is a kind of acceptance with emotional attachment. It's natural to feel sadness, regret, fear, and uncertainty when going through this stage. Feeling those emotions shows that the person has begun to accept the situation.

Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."
In this last stage, individuals begin to come to terms with their mortality, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. This stage varies according to the person's situation. People dying can enter this stage a long time before the people they leave behind, who must pass through their own individual stages of dealing with the grief.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model

Been through them all... with family.

[one_voice]

4. Why do I feel like I need a decoder...

ring to read half the threads here anymore.

It's really disheartening.

I used to love reading DU, the best news on the web. Now so much doesn't make sense.

Yesterday someone was talking about leprechauns, I have no idea what they were referring to. I asked but...

[DirkGently]

12. Leprechauns will follow "ratfuckers" as the new nonsense

epithet shouted at NSA critics.

It's just the next logical progression.

Obviously.

[one_voice]

15. Well thank you for that...

I'm going to bang my head against the wall...I'm more confused. Not your fault. I've obviously missed something.

[backscatter712]

29. There is a large group of people ratfucking on DU...

but it's not the people who believe in the Fourth Amendment and want the president who carries our party's banner to uphold our values.

It's the ones who call us "Paulbots", "firebaggers" and "racists".

I believe the term we're looking for is projection.

[one_voice]

30. I'm going to be honest with you...

I've seen some of the shit you've called people.

You have zero room to talk about name calling.

Also I have no idea what ratfucking means.

[backscatter712]

31. Ratfucking: the right-wing tradition of dirty tricks and sabotage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking

Ratfucking is an American slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks. It was first brought to public attention by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in their book All the President's Men.

...

Woodward and Bernstein's exposé All the President's Men reports that many staffers who had attended the University of Southern California such as Donald Segretti, Tim Elbourne, Ronald Louis Ziegler, H. R. Haldeman and Dwight Chapin had participated in the highly-competitive student elections there. UPI reporter Karlyn Barker sent Woodward and Bernstein a memo "Notes On the USC Crowd" that outlined the connection. Fraternities, sororities and underground fraternal coordinating organizations such as Theta Nu Epsilon and their splintered rival "Trojans for Representative Government" engaged in creative tricks and underhanded tactics to win student elections.[1][2][3] Officially, control over minor funding and decision-making on campus life was at stake but the positions also gave bragging rights and prestige. It was either promoted by or garnered the interest of major political figures on the USC board of trustees such as Dean Rusk and John A. McCone.[4][5] It was here that the term ratfucking had its origin. It is unclear whether it was derived from the military term for stealing the better part of military rations and tossing the less appetizing portions away or if the military adopted the phrase from the political lexicon.

It's a term that originated in the Nixon era - that was what Nixon's "plumbers" did.

So let me be honest.

We're looking at a large group of people (or "people" given how common sockpuppeting is these days) who are using every dirty trick in the book to disrupt, discourage, divide, and prevent people from having constructive discussions here. When I look at their posts, I see patterns - pieces of sentences copied & reused almost verbatim, sudden thread pouncing by swarms minutes after one of their opponents posts the thread. They are not Democrats. They are not progressives. In other words, in the original sense of the term, they are the ratfuckers. They are liars and con-artists, and can be downright vicious to honest progressives here. They are our enemies. They don't belong here.

I'm not the least bit sorry for being nasty to them. Here at Democratic Underground, we damned well are nasty towards right-wingers, and I feel absolutely no guilt for making ratfuckers feel unwelcome here. The day Skinner figures out who's not here in good faith and puts them out the door with a big bootprint in their asses, I'll be popping champagne corks.

[one_voice]

33. Thank you for that information..

I guess I should have looked it up.

I want to respond to the rest of your post, but I have to get a run in before it gets too hot.

I will finish my response when I get back.

[one_voice]

36. ok..I'm back...

I made good time today.

I don't know about the sockpuppeting--every now and again I know when someone is using another name. Or when someone has been banned and has come back. That's from being on MIRT.

I don't look for malicious intent with people that disagree with me.

For instance. I agree that the NSA/spying is an over reach. I disagree that Snowden is a hero.

Snowden stole something. That's a crime, doesn't matter the reason.

The same way as a father that beats the shit out of his daughter's rapist. It's crime. We may cheer the father, we may think he was justified, but it was wrong.

There's an old saying, the road to hell was paved with good intentions.

I think many people are calling people that don't agree with what Snowden did enemies. I am not an enemy. I disagree with the policy. I don't have to agree with what Snowden did. If that makes me an enemy, than I'm not the one with the problem.

This is just one example. ^^

You're seeing only what you want to see. There is plenty of viciousness aimed at people that don't toe the line that you've laid out. Anyone that strays any difference of opinion and the list of names comes out. And swarms, it works both ways.


One more thing, I don't remember people losing their shit like this when some of the very same people running around screaming about the 4th amendment were perfectly fine (some suggesting) when some suggested abolishing the 2nd amendment, saying it wasn't necessary.

Do we cherry pick our rights? That part isn't directed at you. Just a general question.

I noticed that right away. Anyone that defended the guns or the 2nd amendment was a freeper or gun humper. I don't understand this hypocrisy, you're either for the constitution and rights or your not.

[uponit7771]

39. +1

[uponit7771]

38. delete

[uponit7771]

6. nope greenwald is an asshole and hes good at that, fuckin liar too...just sayin...everyones not on

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..the book pimps tip

[DirkGently]

13. Super persuasive!

[cthulu2016]

14. Ken Nordine n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

22. word jazz.

[tazkcmo]

16. I might agree

If I understood. What is he lying about? And wtf is that last part about book pimps tip?

[uponit7771]

20. Greenwald is pimping a book, REALLY bad optics on his motives and he's a jerk, everytime

...I see someone challenge him on TV he throws an uneeded attack back like a lot of his supporters do here.

I don't take consummate bashers words for nothing

[Gravitycollapse]

26. You must have seriously hated Christopher Hitchens.

[uponit7771]

37. Nah, Hitchens had better intentions

[tazkcmo]

32. I see said the blind man!

Let me ask you, do you believe we have an out of control, pervasive and un-Constitutional spying network in this country? I believe we do (and have for at least 10 years now) and Snowden, Greenwald, et al are just the messengers with all their flaws, foibles and imperfections. So, I think there is room to hold them in low regard while still demanding an accounting to We the People. I admit that I am inherently suspicious of people in power, no matter their party and very cynical in a general sort of way of the whole "American Way of Life". An honest question based only on curiosity with no intent to stir up crap or insult you.

[ljm2002]

40. "everytime (sic) I see someone challenge him on TV"...

...you mean like when a so-called "journalist" asks him why he shouldn't be arrested? When that very same so-called "journalist" has happily revealed classified information that was favorable to the government? Is that what you mean by "challenge"?

I'll take a pugnacious truth-teller over a smarmy defender of the status quo, any day of the week.

[uponit7771]

41. No, when someone brings up the fact that the OBama admin was hitting on this issues before Snowden

...and GG calls them a shill...shit like that...

I'm not talking about how they respond to him but vice versa

[LondonReign2]

17. I'm sure that made sense

to you

[WillyT]

18. Well... Be Sure To Tip Your Waitress...

Whoa...

[Gravitycollapse]

19. Like the incoherent ramblings of a syphilitic brain.

[uponit7771]

21. This is what most SnowGlen supporters got, snarky adhoms and low post counts...

...fudr much on DU no doubt

[Gravitycollapse]

23. High post counts don't correlate to higher intelligence...

As a certain poster with a decidedly high post count past 100,000 is probably one of the least informed, biggest shills on this place.

Although I would not generally consider nearly 3000 posts to be low. Even in comparison to your nearly 20,000.

Wait, is this a pissing contest? I LOVE disappointing people who try to turn this stuff into pissing contests.

[uponit7771]

24. Strawman noted, no one is talking about intelligence but for some reason you challenge a

...a SnowGlen supporter these days and they come back with nothing but strawman and ad hominems

[Gravitycollapse]

25. Fine, not intelligence but more of a je ne sais quoi...

I'm not a particularly adamant supporter of either Edward Snowden or Glen Greenwald.

Although I get a seriously unhealthy dose of schadenfreude from your posts.

[neverforget]

11. And the angry words too.....

this is what happens when emotion drives an argument

[n2doc]

34. You know the saying about throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks.....n/t